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  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 4, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    Sounds like a fun home and home. I don't believe BYU has ever played UConn.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 4, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Congrats...that's a great schedule addition for the basketball team.

    Oh, wait...

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 4, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    frightened sparrow

    "Congrats...that's a great schedule addition for the basketball team.

    Oh, wait..."

    Wait for what?

    UConn BEAT Pittsburgh and tied for the Big East Championship with the 2004 Panthers.

    UConn played in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl.

    So, the Huskies BEAT Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, the Ute's most "formidable" foe during Utah's 2nd best season ever, and the Huskies have been to a BCS bowl more recently than the Utes.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 4, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    The scheduling just keeps getting better and better. True that UCONN is not a football powerhouse, but they are a well respected program and playing in Connecticut is certainly better than playing in New Mexico. These kinds of games are perfect for balancing out a very difficult schedule against top teams like Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and Texas. Good work Holmoe. Go Cougs!

  • KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH Ogden, UT
    March 4, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Why not try and schedule duke and kentucky so you can try and claim powerhouse SEC and ACC wins?

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    March 4, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    “We are very excited to bring another nationally prominent opponent to Rentschler Field,” said UConn athletic director Warde Manuel.

    UConn head coach Paul Pasqualoni is entering his third year as head coach and has led teams to nine bowl games. “The series with BYU is a great opportunity and challenge for our football program,” said Pasqualoni. “Everyone in college football knows about the proud heritage of BYU football.”

    Perhaps the word from an underpass in Salt Lake City has not reached the east coast yet because those statements defy everything the local know-it-all fans have ever preached.

    Nevertheless, way to go Tom for taking the football program to a good location and opponent for the BYU fans and team.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    March 4, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    its OK. But 2014's schedule has a lot of mid-major or low quality bcs-type teams in it. I think 10 or 11 slots are filled and the Cougs need some big-time games for the last spot or two. Otherwise 2014's schedule will be a big step back from 2013. 2015 already looks tough though with @ michigan and @ nebraska.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Excited for the series. This is one of the benefits of being independent.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    As a resident of Connecticut I am excited to see the Cougars play here! I'll wear blue and white and leave it that.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    KVN/Hoff are gonna dominate U

    "Why not try and schedule Duke and Kentucky so you can try and claim powerhouse SEC and ACC wins?"

    Why would BYU want to replace PAC 10.2 bottom dweller Utah with a couple of bottom dwellers from other "big boy" conferences?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    I like it, another good opponent and a chance to travel somewhere new for a game. UConn is easily as good as half the pac 12, probably better, so that make it a good opponent. Can't wait!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    @Just the FAX and @TrueBlue

    Who said anything about Utah? Jealous????

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 4, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    And who said anything about the Pac12?

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Good games.

    We will work UConn twice.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    March 4, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Could you please provide sagarin ratings for the bottom half of the pac12 and UConn.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 4, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    2014 / 2015 Schedule Note

    BYU replaces Utah with UConn.

    Utah replaces BYU with Fresno St.

    UConn may not be Alabama, but I'd rather play UConn than Fresno St.

    2014 is shaping up nicely with Texas, UConn, Virginia, Houston, Boise St, Utah St, Nevada, UNLV and a couple more games to add. It may not have the panache of 2013 or 2015, but it's way ahead of our first couple of years of Indy and our MWC schedule. I like it!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 4, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    To the Ute Fans,
    Leave them alone and watch them compare everything they do to the Utes and the Pac12. lol.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    So what have we learned.

    UConn would have been an elite team in 2004 if they'd won the 4-way tie-breaker for the Big East conference championship and played Utah in the Fiesta Bowl (instead of Pittsburgh).

    UConn was an elite team when they played in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl just a couple of years ago.

    But, now, without changing conferences, UConn is suddenly not an "elite" program simply because a bunch of non-AQ interlopers moved into their conference.

    Of course, the same thing happened to the PAC 10.2 when Utah moved into the conference, the only difference being that the PAC 10.2 was strong enough to absorb the hit.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 4, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    RE: U 90

    "Could you please provide sagarin ratings for the bottom half of the pac12 and UConn."

    A reasonable request... here's the bottom six from last year and their rankings over the last five seasons.

    Arizona (44, 64, 30, 37, 24) average = 40
    Washington (52, 44, 28, 52, 129) average = 61
    Utah (61, 39, 26, 24. 5) average = 31
    California (78, 38, 33, 46, 16) average = 42
    Connecticut (89, 76, 56, 28, 40) average = 54
    Washington State (104, 83, 79, 126, 138) = 106
    Colorado (156, 107, 68, 91, 72) = 99

    And because I was curious…
    BYU (26, 34, 45, 15, 32) average = 30

    Conclusions based solely on Sagarin ratings: Uconn would have been a cellar dweller if they were in the PAC 12 (just ahead of Washington, WSU, and Colorado), Utah belongs in the top half of the PAC, and Utah and BYU are pretty much neck and neck over the last five years. Does any of this really matter? No. But it is interesting. Go cougs!

  • sls Columbia, MO
    March 4, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    UConn is located in the media heavy NYC market, so this is a great move for exposure. And UConn is a worthy opponent. They have beaten Notre Dame--something that Utah has never done.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 4, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Only in the delusional bubble of the Cougar Nation is a h/h with the Sagarin equivalent of Eastern Washington a cause for celebration.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    @Howard
    You made a simple error. Oversight I'm sure. You meant Washington not Eastern Washington. You remember Washington...Beat Utah 34-15, ugly game. Check the average Sagerin ratings in the previous post. UConn has been better than Washington (Not Eastern Washington). Like I said simple error I am sure.
    Besides traveling to Hartford Conn. is better than Cheney Washington (or Pullman Washington) for that matter.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    Why? Fresno is a better team and is a far better travel destination. On top of that the San Joaquin Valley is much better than Storrs, CT from a recruiting perspective.

    @ Y's little brother

    Getting to a BCS bowl and then getting blown out is not impressive. When you get to the big stage you have to win for people to notice you.

    @ SLCWatch

    This year's final rankings: Eastern Washington 88, UCONN 89, Montana St. 90.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 4, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    Poor Howie... busted. LOL

    I'm sure the Cougar fans in New England are very happy about seeing BYU come to town. I sure would be if I lived out there.

    Great scheduling Tom!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    @Twofor
    As I noted, it's an average (five year). And now you too are wrong, I've been to Fresno...It's not a destination at all. I'd rather watch a game in Provo but we know some teams won't because they think Fresno is a rival. I will look forward to going to Conn. thank you very much. Have fun in the Raisin capitol. By the way, are they now "The" Rival?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    2fer and other BYU-obsessed Utah trolls

    Who could have predicted last August that pre-season #1 national championship contender USC would finish unranked with a blowout bowl loss to a team BYU easily handled on the road, while Utah State and San Jose State would both finish the season ranked in the Top 25.

    Bottom line, NOBODY knows for sure which teams will be very good and which teams will be very mediocre in any given year.

    One thing is a given, however, the BYU at UConn game in 2014 will attract far more media attention in the media heavy northeast, than the Fresno State at Utah game, which will barely be noticed.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    @ SLCWatch

    I don't care at all about the five-year average of UCONN. What happened last year is the best barometer of where their football program currently is. Last year, UCONN was not a good team. I also don't care if you like Fresno or not. The fact remains that it is a better climate, and is much better for recruiting. It's also easier to get to from SLC. As for Fresno being a rival, I don't know why they would be. I don't know a single Ute fan who would consider Fresno a rival either...

    @ Y's little brother

    Just because I cheer for a different team than you doesn't make me a troll. The points I made were not mean in spirit and were on topic. I agree with you that we don't know how good or bad UCONN will be in 2014. Likewise you don't know which game will be more attractive to the media.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2013 1:25 a.m.

    Okay, I understand your position "two for".
    Recent rating=
    UConn went from 76 in 2011 to 89 in 2012 Yes, I see they are getting worse.
    BYU went from 34 in 2011 to 26 in 2012 I see they are getting better.
    Utah went from 39 to 61 in 2012
    Yes, I see how it shows the current state of teams. You are correct. I stand corrected.

    Oh, by the way Chris Hill, the Athletic director gave up their only rivalry game for...Fresno?
    I guess he for one is trying to make Fresno the new rival. Or he must not be a single Ute fan. He's married. I get it. Silly me.

    Recruiting California is a given. Maybe they want to recruit the East too. More media and all that maybe. Could be they want to recruit nationally.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Looks like a pretty mid-majorey schedule to me. I see 9 mid-major opponents out of the 11 (or 81.8%) scheduled for 2014. Even if the Y can get one more elite school to round out their season, only 3 out of 12 would still be so very mid-majorey.

    So let's look ahead to 2015.

    Whoops! Only 2 schools from elite conferences scheduled there too. Out of the 8 games scheduled, the cougars are still struggling to put together a competitive schedule.

    Now on the ONE hand, playing a very mid-majorey schedule has been part of that oft cited "brand" for our little brothers, but on the OTHER hand, the cougars had really been "brand"-ed playing a very "WAC-ish" and mid-majorey schedule. And there IS no more WAC. Looks like little brother is going to have to tweak their legacy a bit.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 5, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    2fer

    "I don't care at all about the five-year average of UCONN. What happened last year is the best barometer of where their football program currently is."

    So, obviously, last year is the best barometer of where Utah's football program currently is:

    Unranked, 5-7, conference bottom dwelling losing team with no bowl - just like UConn.

    Thanks for clarifying Utah's current status.

    Final Sagarin Ratings for 2012

    #26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner
    #61 Utah(5-7) no bowl

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 5, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    twofer

    "...you don't know which game will be more attractive to the media."

    Actually, it's a given that BYU at UConn will draw far more media attention in the media heavy northeast, than Fresno State at Utah.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    March 5, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Naval Vet - Thanks for your assessment of the schedule and undying support and attention to all things BYU. It really is appreciated. Given you spend this much time on comment boards to articles about BYU, one can rest assured you turn on the TV each Saturday to watch them play. Thanks again for your help in making independence a success.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 5, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    When I lived in Connecticut the only way to see BYU play was to stay up late at night, and go over to the local church with satellite hook-up. Occasionally ESPN would broadcast a game and many of the church members would go over to Bristol to watch it in ESPN's auditorium... there are several members who work for the world's broadcasting leader. I'm happy for my friends in New England that they'll be able to finally see the Cougars live, and watch the away game on ESPN. Life has definitely improved for the cougar faithful.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    March 5, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    I do not understand the Utah fans constant criticism of BYU and their schedule.

    Schedules are made years in advanced.

    Exactly what did you expect to happen when BYU went independent?

    It was always going to take years to to get a consistantly good schedule.

    And probably longer with all the shake up that has been going on in division 1 football lately.

    Why not just enjoy your team, BYU will not even be on your schedule for a couple of years.

    And when they do again, would you not rather want to have a good team to play? What pride is there in beating northern colorado?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 5, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Jazzsmack

    "I do not understand the Utah fans constant criticism of BYU and their schedule."

    I do.

    Utah fans are green with jealousy that despite Utah's "better" schedules, the Utes still lag behind BYU in overall accomplishments the last two years.

    Our little friends on the hill talk schedule smack, because they can't talk rankings smack when the Utes constantly finish behind the Cougars in the rankings.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    March 5, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    @mixed up the facts "and the Huskies have been to a BCS bowl more recently than the Utes."

    True statement and both the utes and huskies have been to a BCS bowl more recently than the Y who has never been.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    I can't resist. lol.

    @Snack PAC

    How about head to head smack?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 5, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    2b

    "both the utes and huskies have been to a BCS bowl more recently than the Y who has never been."

    Which proves what?

    That previous BCS bowl participation doesn't mean anything when evaluating future opponents.

    #26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > #61 Utah(5-7) couch potato bowl

    btw,

    BYU has won a National Championship more recently than U, who has never even come close.

    If you're going to make comparisons, you should do so with superlatives, not with also-rans.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 5, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    ekute

    overall success for entire season > one game success

    overall success over more seasons > overall success over fewer seasons

    FIVE Top 25 finishes (63%) > three (38%)

    THREE Top 15 finishes (38%) > one (13%)

    TWO conference championships > one

    Higher rankings in FIVE seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era > three

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    March 5, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    It's laughable that Utah fans spend so much effort trying to minimize the only decent team they've beaten the last two seasons.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    March 5, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    The real reason that the Utah trolls have to comment on BYU articles is that nobody cares about what Utah is doing, therefore no Utah arrticles to comment on. Maybe when Utah climbs out of the cellar that may get some media attention.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Jazzsmack:

    "Exactly what did you expect to happen when BYU went independent?"

    We expected that you would play incredibly weak SOS. We're just here to rub it in a bit after your fans' continual boasts of how the top teams in the country would be lining up to play in Provostan now that you're no longer playing MWC ball. We were right. You were wrong.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    WON84:

    "Thanks for your assessment of the schedule and undying support and attention to all things BYU. It really is appreciated...Thanks again for your help in making independence a success."

    I have to laugh at how desperate your fans have become for warm fuzzy endorsements. So hopeless have you been, that you've had to pretend me calling you "mid-majorey" as some sort of compliment. I believe Duckhunter would have called that "too funny", and maybe even "LOL"-ed at that frantic and emotional notion.

    And lastly, your independence had NOT been a success. For starters, you lost your conference affiliation with the WAC due to it collapsing under the weight of its own mid-majoreyness. And finally, your schedules and bowl tie-is have not improved over the MWC's. It's worse.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Jealous? Nope. That would YOUR fanbase.

    (a) We're now in an elite conference...and not just ANY elite conference. We're in the one you guys fantasized about joining for the better part of the last 3 decades. You weren't wanted by any relevant conferences, and had to align yourselves with the now-defunct WAC.

    (b) We've played in (and won) 2 BCS bowls, and own the nation's best postseason winning percentage. You "Quest"-ed for BCS bowl, prematurely threw Tostitos tortillas out onto your field before the opening kickoff of your season opener in another, and own one of the worst postseason winning records in the nation.

    (c) We now get Home-&-Home schduling arrangements with teams like Michigan. You get one-offs.

    (d) We don't have a generation gap in the all time series, don't sign a majority of our classes from the "2-star" back pages of the "who's who in football recruiting" manual, and hadn't lost nearly 75% of our most recent matchups these past 11 yrs.

    The truth is, the envy sits on your side of the fence.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Snack Pac- BYU hasn't ever "won" a national championship. They were AWARDED a national championship. There's a big difference. You would have to beat SOMEBODY to win a national championship. Beating ZERO teams that finish in the final top 25 doesn't win you anything.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Cool. Another state to dominate recruiting in.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Chewbacca

    "BYU hasn't ever "won" a national championship. They were AWARDED a national championship."

    LOL at the jealous spin.

    BYU won its 1984 National Championship in EXACTLY the same every other team has won its national championship(s) since 1936, by being voted #1 in the final polls.

    BYU beat Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP poll.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    navel vet

    Laughing hilariously at your schedule smack.

    Not surprising, since you've been a miserable failure in overall accomplishments on the football field since sneaking into the PAC 10.2

    What you've cluelessly failed to understand is that simply being in an "elite" conference, doesn't make U elite. All you've proven so far is that you're a convenient punching bag for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 to pad their conference records.

    "And lastly, your independence had NOT been a success. For starters, you lost your conference affiliation with the WAC due to it collapsing under the weight of its own mid-majoreyness."

    What a frantic and emotional statement, even for U.

    BYU's Independence has FAR exceeded your PAC 10.2-edness.

    2011 BYU(10-3) #25/#26/#34 > Utah(8-5) UNRANKED!/#39
    2012 BYU(8-5) #26 bowl WINNER > Utah(5-7) #61 couch potato bowl

    You've been in steady decline since your peak in 2008, and Utah's peak doesn't even come close to matching BYU's peak.

    Call us the first time U finish a 24-game winning streak with back-to-back Top 7 finishes and a CONSENSUS National Championship!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    @Snack PAC

    All time head to head Utah>byu
    Last 20 years head to head Utah>byu
    Last 15 years Head to head Utah>byu
    Last 10 years head to head Utah>byu
    Last 5 years head to head Utah>byu
    coaches Head to head Kyle>bronco

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Wait,I'm not done...

    Pac12,Pac12 Network>independence,byu tv
    Utah on Espn=byu on ESPN

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 5, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    ekute

    Last 41 years head to head BYU(26) > Utah(15)

    Largest margin of victory in the series: BYU 56 > Utah 6

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU(17) > Utah(5)

    Head-to-head
    Bronco(3) < Kyle(5)

    Top 25
    Bronco(5) > Kyle(3)

    Top 15
    Bronco(3) > Kyle(1)

    Conference Championships
    Bronco(2) > Kyle(1)

    Bowl Games
    Bronco(8) > Kyle(7)

    Losing Seasons
    Bronco(0) > Kyle(1)

    Losses to 10-loss teams
    Bronco(0) > Kyle(2)

    Overall
    Bronco > Kyle

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    March 5, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Snack Pac, Perhaps illusions of overall success can be explained by SOS. Neither program has been very good over the last 2 seasons. Sure BYU has had a better record but the schedule was WAC heavy, right. Every attempt to paint a different picture just makes you look silly. If BYU was so much better than Utah, why can't they beat the Utes? Again, consider SOS when considering overall success.

    Marked it Down, Don't attempt to make 1984 sound more impressive than it really was. There were no ranked teams on BYU's schedule in 1984 as there was only a Top 20 back in those days (no Top 25). You're making yourself look bad by stretching the truth. I actually pull for BYU when they're not playing Utah, but I'm embarrassed for guys like you who try to make something appear more than it really was. I'll freely admit, BYU has an NC and Utah doesn't. Are you willing to admit that it was the weakest NC schedule of all time?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    @BlueCoug

    ouch ;)

    We beat ya 54-10 2 years ago,and 3 times last year. Wha-da-think?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 5, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    U 90 / ekute

    "Perhaps illusions of overall success can be explained by SOS."

    Perhaps they aren't illusions of better overall success.

    SOS and records are already calculated into rankings, as seen in Sagarin's final 2012 rankings:

    #12 Oklahoma(10-3) #5 (SOS)
    #13 Ohio State(12-0) #60
    #18 Baylor(8-5) #7
    #19 Utah State(11-2) #97
    #26 BYU(8-5) #63
    #61 Utah(5-7) #41

    You'll notice that the SOS for BYU and Utah was fairly close, while the ranking difference was much greater.

    Utah fans look silly trying to argue that one head-to-head game in a 12-game season proves something. Of course, even Utah fans laugh at the "logic" when it comes to comparisons that don't involve BYU versus Utah.

    For example, does any Utah fan really believe that Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah in 2011 or that UNLV(2-10) was better than Utah in 2007?

    Utah was simply lucky to win the last three; it could have easily been BYU winning two of the last three, and five of the last eight.

    You've already exposed your hypocrisy by claiming that Pittsburgh was better than UConn in 2004.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    backWACn:

    "What you've cluelessly failed to understand is that simply being in an "elite" conference, doesn't make U elite."

    No, but being in an elite conference DOES get one more elite recruits. And since the Pac-10 invited Utah, our recruiting had only gotten better. Conversely, since leaving the MWC, yours only got worse. With our better recruits, we will produce a more elite team. With your worse recruits, you're going to have to schedule down to a more "WAC"-worthy lineup in order to win enough games to dupe your fans into believing there was anything noteworthy about your program.

    "BYU's Independence has FAR exceeded your PAC 10.2-edness."

    Nope. The Y lost all their games vs. their big brother since the conference change, and by an average of 23.5 pts. When you're -23.5, it is YOU who had been "FAR exceded"; not the other way around.

    "Utah's peak doesn't even come close to matching BYU's peak."

    Wrong again. When was the last time the Y beat 4 ranked teams in the same season?

    Answer: NEVER!

    We've done it twice...just like we've hoisted BCS bowl trophies twice.

    Utah > Indy-WAC

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    Oh,now it was luck. I thought it was the refs.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    bacWACn:

    "Laughing hilariously at your schedule smack."

    Doubtful. More like "crying a river" per your inferiority complex. If Y fans are truely "excited" about playing UConn, UCF, Southern Miss, UNLV, Middle Tennessee, et al, they're either admitting they're not capable of competing with the big boys and PREFER weak SOS - thus attributing to your perpetual mid-majoreyness -- or they're disingenuously trying to cheer themselves up.

    Whew! Glad I'm not an Indy-WACer. That would have been so embarrassing.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    No really. It was magic, cause we did the right things on and off the field.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Chewbacca

    "Beating ZERO teams that finish in the final top 25 doesn't win you anything." - FALSE

    -----

    U 90

    "There were no ranked teams on BYU's schedule in 1984 as there was only a Top 20 back in those days (no Top 25)." - TRUE (as far as final rankings)

    ------

    Mark it Down

    "BYU beat Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP poll." - TRUE

    Final AP Poll
    #1 BYU 1160
    #2 Wash 1140
    #3 Fla 1092
    #4 Neb 1017
    #5 BC 932
    #6 Okla 883
    #7 Ok St 864
    #8 SMU 761
    #9 UCLA 613
    #10 USC 596

    #20 Va 119
    #21 W Va 109
    #22 Ga 67
    #23 Army 44
    #24 AFA 26
    #24 ND 26

    Air Force wasn't ranked, but the Falcons did indeed finish in the Top 25 in the Final AP Poll for 1984.

    Saying that BYU didn't beat any Top 25 teams in 1984 is a lie.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Rockwell:

    "You'll notice that the SOS for BYU and Utah was fairly close,..."

    Actually, you'll notice that Utah's SOS was 22 spots higher than the Y's, and that this separation is NOT fairly close. You'll also notice that when comparing the 3 Utah schools, the lower the SOS, the more W's on the season. Coincidence?

    Nope.

    "Utah was simply lucky to win the last three; it could have easily been BYU winning two of the last three, and five of the last eight."

    More likely, it was the Y who had been lucky to win those 3 games back in '06, '07, and '09, and that it could have easily been UTAH winning all 11 of those aforementioned games. But that's football. The scoreboard says 8 of the last 11 for your big brother who was the better team this past quarter century. And now that our recruiting had only gotten better, while yours had only gotten worse, Utah looks to put even more distance from our frantic and emotional neighbors to the south in the coming years.

    Good luck to you with all your 2-star recruit talent. [*snicker*]

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Don't you guys just "Hate Utah And Every They Stand For."? Beer...

    ;)

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "being in an elite conference DOES get one more elite recruits."

    Really? Since when are 3-star recruits considered "elite"?

    Once again you're wandering off into abstracts, instead of comparing actual results.

    The U has finished behind the Y in records and in rankings every year since U sneaked into the PAC 10.2.

    How embarrassing was it to lose to the only WAC team you faced in 2012 or to lose to a 10-loss team in 2011?

    Mighty weak U PAC 10.2 bottom dweller indeed. Call us when U beat your first conference foe with a winning record - 7-11 so far, and trending downward.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Regardless of how our little brothers try to spin it:

    #1 will ALWAYS be > #2/#4/#5

    If Utah 2004 or Utah 2008 were even half as good as Utah fans pretend U were, the Utes would have finished #1. Obviously, the poll voters disagreed with your over-inflated opinion of the Utes.

    Either you have a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy in your trophy case or U don't.

    BYU does.

    Utah doesn't.

    It's as simple as that.

    btw, the Utes have never finished higher than FOURTH in the Coaches Poll, the organization that awards the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

    Remember that!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 5, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    These threads always turn into the same old debate, by the same old Haters. Really pretty pathetic.

    Actually, I don't see signing U Conn to a home and home series such a bad thing. It gives BYU some East Coast exposure and helps balance out the schedule. Pretty nice little home and home series. IMO

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    March 5, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    naval vet

    "Actually, you'll notice that Utah's SOS was 22 spots higher than the Y's, and that this separation is NOT fairly close."

    If 22 spots higher for Utah in SOS isn't "fairly" close, then obviously, 35 spots lower for Utah in ranking must be a significant difference.

    You'll notice that SOS is included in the rankings, so your desperate attempt to double-dip on SOS isn't going to fool anybody not living on the hill.

    BYU's SOS (63) was nearly identical to Ohio State's SOS (61) yet Ohio State was ranked 13 places higher than BYU because the Cougars finished 8-5, while the Buckeyes were 12-0.

    Your whole SOS argument is based on the premise that playing a tougher SOS somehow makes U better, even if you a worse record.

    Sorry, but an 8-5 record with a 63 SOS is BETTER than a 5-7 record with a 41 SOS.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    Y's little brother:

    "Really? Since when are 3-star recruits considered 'elite'?"

    Since they started ranking 3-star talents. That's why Utah keeps hauling in Top-50 recruiting classes. We also have over a dozen 4-stars on our roster as well. Waaaay more than little brother. Now go wipe your tears.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 5, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    naval vet

    "We also have over a dozen 4-stars on our roster as well."

    Now you're just making stuff up.

    Name them!

    UCLA signed SEVENTEEN 4-star recruits THIS YEAR, so the Ute's obviously don't stand a chance of beating the Bruins ever again.

    It's laughable that you claim that you're signing Top 50 recruiting classes, yet you can't beat Utah State, have split with lowly 10-loss Colorado, and you're still finishing behind BYU in the rankings.

    When was the last time U beat a PAC 10.2 foe with a winning record?

    Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference doesn't make U special, it just makes you a convenient whipping boy for the real big boys of the conference. Get used to it.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    March 5, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    Always have to chuckle when, on their 5th comment on the same BYU article, someone tries to argue BYU isn't relevant...certainly relevant enough to them...but maybe they mean not relevant on the national stage.

    Interestingly, according to SI Vault, since its inception there have been 159 articles in SI regarding BYU and, shockingly, only 8 regarding the University of Utah.

    Looks like there may indeed be only one school in Utah with national relevance.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    March 5, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    The U has really embarassed the entire state with the mediocre performance in the PAC. If they had done better then it would tend to reflect well on the other teams in Utah and in the Mountain West because most college football fans know that the Utes and BYU have been competitive for a long time. The attacks on BYU by Ute fans are expressions of bitterness and desperation over the obvious failure of the Ute program. If things don't improve soon, expect the program following to implode. Nobody likes to watch a loser. That's the reason they would back off the rivalry to schedule a team such as Fresno State. Just as Washington State and Washington canceled future games with BYU after suffering losses.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    @ SLCWatch and Marked it Down

    Utah had it's worst season in a decade and missed a bowl. Obviously the program isn't where we want it to be right now. Hopefully in the next few seasons Utah can pick itself up get into the upper third of the conf. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back and pretend like you 'got' me, but I have no delusions about where Utah is right now.

    As for Fresno, no they are not a rival. Nobody is trying to make them a rival. Utah is playing Fresno in a non-conference game. It is not more complicated than that.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    March 5, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    UConn is desperate to play anyone. They are kind of in the same situation as BYU, no conference will take them.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Uteanymous:

    "Now you're just making stuff up...Name them!"

    K. York, C. Poutasi, L. Heimuli, K. Scott, A. Lewis, J. Murphy, K. McGill J. Thomas, T. Reese, V.J. Fehoko, V. Salt, C. Hansen.

    Whoops! Looks like I overstated that factoid. We don't have over a dozen. We have ONLY a dozen. Losing R. Dunn, and D. Kruger to graduation, and B. Kemoeatu to grades -- and offset only by adding A. Lewis -- dropped us down from 14 to 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2013 9:27 p.m.

    Uteanymous:

    "It's laughable that you claim that you're signing Top 50 recruiting classes, yet you can't beat Utah State,..."

    Utah had only lost to the Aggies ONE TIME since 1998. That's about the same number of losses to USU the Indy-WACers had, only YOUR loss was a blow out loss, whereas ours was a narrow OT loss. I'd hardly consider losing one time in 15 yrs proof positive that we "can't beat Utah State". And furthermore, Utah's recruiting classes being consistently ranked in the Top-50 isn't just something I "claim". It's something that can be verified by the very objective and independent recruit rating index from Rivals. Go ahead...go see it for yourself. But if you do, and you want to also find out how well the Indy-WACers had been doing since leaving the MWC, you're gonna have to scroll way down. Haha!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    March 5, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    It's funny how your little in-house UteZone rating service gives 4 stars to every Utah recruit, while Scout ranks many of them much lower.

    K. York - 2 stars
    C. Poutasi - 4 stars
    L. Heimuli - 4 stars
    K. Scott - 3 stars
    A. Lewis - unranked
    J. Murphy - 3 stars
    K. McGill - 3 stars
    J. Thomas - 3 stars
    T. Reese - 2 stars
    V.J. Fehoko - 3 stars
    V. Salt - 3 stars
    C. Hansen - 3 stars

    Nice try though.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 5, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Utah had only lost to the Aggies ONE TIME since 1998. That's about the same number of losses to USU [that BYU] had, only YOUR loss was a blow out loss, whereas ours was a narrow OT loss."

    It's laughable that U don't apply that same "narrow loss" argument to:

    2003 BYU 0 Utah 3
    2005 BYU 34 Utah 41 (OT)
    2010 BYU 16 Utah 17
    2012 BYU 21 Utah 24

    FOUR of Utah's 8 wins in that 8-of-11 Utah fans are constantly beating their chests about are of the "narrow loss" variety.

    ------

    2010 was BYU's ONLY loss to Utah State since 1993.

    BYU is 22-2 versus the Aggies since 1982.

    Utah is 19-5 versus the Aggies since 1982, including that 7-point loss to a team BYU beat in 2012.

    ------

    The fundamental flaw in your BYU-recruiting obsession:

    U only play BYU TWICE in the next four years.

    U play PAC 10.2 teams 36 times.

    According to ESPN, UCLA, USC, Wash, Ore, Cal, Ariz, Stan, ASU and OSU all had BETTER recruiting classes than U in 2013. How do you expect to compete in PAC if U finish 10th in recruiting?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 6, 2013 12:01 a.m.

    @Rockwell: "SOS and records are already calculated into rankings, as seen in Sagarin's final 2012 rankings."

    2-3 vs PAC-12 teams
    4-6 vs BCS teams
    5-14 vs teams with winning record
    Under Bronco 12-13 vs BCS teams
    14-1 vs others

    @Y's little brother: "Saying that BYU didn't beat any Top 25 teams in 1984 is a lie."

    True, so lets try again:

    "BYU's title was notable for being the only time since the inception of the AP poll that a team was awarded the national title without beating" a SINGLE final ranked team.

    Even Utah's #5 2004 team beat a ranked team, see AP #25 Pitt. Also, that 2004 Ute team didn't struggle like the 1984 BYU team. The '84 team is the least deserving NC in the history of college football, one can argue your '83 team was better.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    March 6, 2013 12:17 a.m.

    There is no reason why BYU can't pull a Notre Dame-ACC tie-in for entry into the new BCS bowls, using the former Big East teams.. After botching any chance to gain membership in the B12, this might do good things for both the Aloha League (best new name for the former Big East football "powers", as in a greeting for Welcome as well as saying Goodbye)

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    @ Riddles in the Dark

    There was never a "narrow loss" argument. His point was whether or not Utah can beat Utah St. Obviously Utah can. Even the numbers you provided prove that. Try to keep up.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2013 12:52 a.m.

    @Twofor

    Of course you didn't have mean spirited comments to make. You came on to an article totally unrelated to any of your interests only to enlighten the darkened masses who don't know better. I am glad you took the time to set us right on what you percieved were our short comings. Perhaps you were unware that there already is a whole slew of diligent writers who lurk on their computers for every article so they can shed light on our unenlightened natures.
    I will however continue to be happy in my benighted darkness to travel around the country enjoying our trivial pursuits with fans of other schools who for the most part welcome visitors as guests.
    I will look forward to the Y's games with people who enjoy the sport no the hate.
    I will continue to enjoy each season's growth and challenges too.
    I will enjoy the fall weather of Conn.
    I will be welcomed at Notre Dame, Wisconsin, West Virginia and other unvisited places.
    I enjoy that everyone that plays the Y thinks they are a rival.
    Everyone wants to face the schools that have traditional programs.
    Thats why ESPN came calling?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 6, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Uteology

    "The '84 team is the least deserving NC in the history of college football, one can argue your '83 team was better."

    Better isn't the criteria; earning the respect of the voters is the criteria.

    BYU 1984 was selected by the majority of voters by all five major college football national championship selecting organizations as being THE MOST DESERVING team to be awarded the 1984 Major College Football National Championship.

    BYU 1984 didn't beat a ranked team, but they didn't beat a Top 25 team, #24 Air Force.

    Utah 2004 only beat #25 Pittsburgh and Utah fans still claim that Utah deserved to be the 2004 national champion.

    Despite the records, the Michigan team that BYU played in the 1984 Holiday Bowl was BETTER than the Pittsburgh team Utah played in the Fiesta Bowl.

    Michigan 1984 would have cleaned Pittsburgh 2004's clock, and that's not just hyperbole!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 6, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    2fer

    Obviously, BYU CAN beat Utah - they've done so 3 of the last 7 times the two teams have met.

    It's funny how uptight Utah fans get when their own arguments are used to contradict them.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 6, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Lightening Lad:

    "There is no reason why BYU can't pull a Notre Dame-ACC tie-in for entry into the new BCS bowls, using the former Big East teams."

    Actually there is. For one, Notre Dame is a relevant school that relevant conferences would like to align themselves with. The cougars are not. Secondly, after the BCS' final season (2013), the Big [L]East will be demoted down to the "mid-major" ranks. Sportswriters are already dubbing the "Big Five" as the 5 conferences outside who will be on the outside looking in. And those 5 conferences are the MWC, C-USA, MAC, Sun Belt, and Big East.

    The MWC won't take you, but C-USA might. And if C-USA would, that would make more sense than aligning yourself with another mid-major conference like the Big East with even worse travel.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    March 6, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    navelvet

    Ironically, Utah, as a member of the PAC 10.2, is no closer to qualifying for the new Big Dance (the major college football national championship playoff), than Independent BYU.

    In fact, it's very likely that until the field is expanded to 8 teams, the PAC 10.2 could be shut out of the playoffs more often than not.

    Two SEC teams, a B1G, a Big 12, an ACC, and/or a Notre Dame or other conference or Independent team, could easily occupy the four available berths, leaving the PAC 10.2 on the outside looking in.

    There's no guarantee that Utah would be invited to the new Big Dance, even with a PAC 10.2 championship.

    BCS bowls will become nothing more than the new NIT - a nice place to spend the post season when you're not good enough to be invited to the Big Dance.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 6, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    skywalker

    "BYU 1984 didn't beat a ranked team, but they didn't beat a Top 25 team, #24 Air Force."

    Probably just a typo.

    BYU 1984 didn't beat a ranked team, but they DID beat a Top 25 team, #24 Air Force.

    Air Force was a very good team; the Falcons STOMPED Va Tech in the 1984 Independence Bowl.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 6, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    skywalker:

    "Michigan 1984 would have cleaned Pittsburgh 2004's clock, and that's not just hyperbole!"

    Actually, that was. You provided no evidence to support a 6-6 Michigan team down to playing their 4th string QB would have dropped the '04 Panthers. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 6, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority:

    "...it's very likely that until the field is expanded to 8 teams, the PAC 10.2 could be shut out of the playoffs more often than not."

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. At present, there is no agreement on the criteria for who would play in those games. If "conference champion" becomes mandatory, the Pac-12 is in. Don't forget that the Pac-12 (and the BigTen) are keeping the Rose Bowl. That's a lot of leverage.

    The cougars have zero leverage. Mid-majors forever.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    March 6, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    navelvet

    "If "conference champion" becomes mandatory..."

    You can stop right there because the SEC will NEVER go along with "conference champion" being mandatory, and without the SEC's participation, there's no point in even having a playoff.

    As TheSportsAuthority said:

    BCS bowls are destined to become nothing more than the new NIT - a nice place to spend the post season when you're not good enough to be invited to the playoff.

    A team that has never beaten a single conference foe with a winning record has no business even talking about playing in the Rose Bowl, let alone thinking that they're "in the mix" for a possible playoff berth.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 6, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    MUSSing with U:

    Any team in the Pac-12 and BigTen IS in the mix for a Rose Bowl. Period. Nevermind the fact that I never said "Utah will be playing in the Rose Bowl." I said, "Don't forget that the Pac-12 (and the BigTen) are keeping the Rose Bowl. That's a lot of leverage."

    You're mid-majors forever. I can't say I know what that feels like, but it must hurt really bad.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    March 6, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    @naval

    "Any team in the Pac-12 and BigTen IS in the mix for a Rose Bowl."

    Being in the mix doesn't mean anything until you actually get there; Arizona has been waiting since 1979 and still hasn't made it to the Rose Bowl.

    Controlling the Rose Bowl is M-E-A-N-I-N-G-L-E-S-S when it comes to the playoffs.

    The only thing the PAC can do is use its limited influence to have the playoffs expanded to 8 teams as soon as possible to give the PAC a better chance of having a regular berth in the playoffs. Without that expansion, it's guaranteed, the PAC will be on the outside looking in at many championship playoffs.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 6, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    byu fans,
    Your stats and numbers don't change the fact the Utes own you on the field. Your stats and numbers do prove that you're desperately trying to convince yourselves that going independent was not a mistake.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    March 6, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    Why is naval vet still so obsessed with "bcs" bowls?

    The playoffs will supersede the "bcs" championship in 2014 and the old "bcs" bowls will revert back to being well-paid football vacations, but completely meaningless as far as the national championship picture is concerned.

    When the playoffs expand to 8 teams, inevitable, most of the "bcs" bowl winners won't even finish in the Top 10.

    With proposals already being introduced to tie bowl payouts to bowl attendance, the payouts for future "bcs" bowls could shrink dramatically.

    In other words, "bcs" bowls will generate much less money and even less prestige.

    The most important non-playing day in college football will no longer be national LOI signing day, but national college football playoff selection day.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    @ SLCWatch

    How do you know what my interests are? I actually do have an interest in BYU based on the fact that I am interested in local sports and because have friends and family who attend school/play there. I am not allowed to post on a public forum just because BYU isn't my team? My opinions are not invalid just because I see things from a different perspective.

    I'm sure you'll have fun traveling. You'll have the best experiences in South Bend and Camp Randall, imo.

    I think you might be flattering yourself a little bit towards the end of your post. Most of the old WAC schools see BYU as a rival due to the history. I guarantee you that MTSU and GT do not see BYU as a rival.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 6, 2013 6:45 p.m.

    ekute

    "Your stats and numbers don't change the fact the Utes own you on the field."

    Actually, the stats prove that despite the one-game successes the Utes have had during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has owned U in overall success - more Top 25 finishes, more Top 15 finishes, more conference championships, more bowl games, more total wins, and no ugly losses to 10-loss teams.

    Nationally, fans see BYU playing teams from throughout the country and finishing in the Top 25, and Utah playing west coast teams and finishing in the conference basement.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 6, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    Nationally fans see Utah kickin' byu's butt every year and playing in a prestigious major conference.

    Your stats and numbers do prove that you're desperately trying to convince yourselves that going independent was not a mistake.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 6, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    ekute

    No need to try convince ourselves that going Independent wasn't a mistake.

    Every time a BYU article as mundane as the announcement of a future BYU opponent is inundated with jealous sniping from the hill crowd, it's further confirmation of just how jealous you are that BYU is proving to be more successful as an Independent than you've been as a big boy conference tag-along.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 6, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    Go back to the first page off the comments. Who's fans start calling out Utah and the Pac12 by name? Every time a BYU article as mundane as the announcement of a future BYU opponent you guys immediately start comparing it to Utah and the PAC12. Why?...you're desperately trying to convince yourselves that going independent was not a mistake. 5 pages of spinning stats and numbers trying to convince yourselves that byu is a better program than who? Utah. So I stand by my comment that "Utah owns you on the field". The Utes and their fans are secure and delighted with their position in the Pac12. Tis the byu fans who are jealous and insecure. Worried???

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    March 6, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    @ekute

    U've got two different arguments going on. One of national relevance, and two, of head-to-head domination.
    Yes, Utah owns the head-to-head series with BYU (in football), and even more so the past few years, despite a few extremely close games. Attribute these wins to recruiting advantages, the participation award U (somehow) get for being in the prestigious PAC 12, or whatever U want. Congratulations- head-to-head, U have had a huge edge over the past 10 years. I concede defeat. It would be ignorant and naive to say that BYU is better than Utah (HEAD-TO-HEAD).
    However, national relevance is an entirely different discussion. U've seen all the rankings from national sources. I need not remind U of the difference between 54-10 (one game) and the final poll rankings (whole season). Don't pretend that PAC 12 = more relevant. Not true.
    Finally, to say that BYU's independence was a mistake is simply unfounded. The teams BYU has filling their schedules out for the next 10+ years look promising so far. Far more promising than before. Less WAC's every year. It's a process not an instant transformation. Allow it. Go Cougs!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 7, 2013 12:29 a.m.

    @Beck to Harline

    "It's a process not an instant transformation"
    Does that not apply to the Utes and the Pac12?

    "Don't pretend that PAC 12 = more relevant. Not true.
    Finally, to say that BYU's independence was a mistake is simply unfounded"
    Who are you trying to convince?

    Who called out who first? who's doing the name calling? Who's spinning the stats and numbers?

    I stand by all my comments. Go Utes

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 7, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    mussingaround:

    "Without that expansion, it's guaranteed, the PAC will be on the outside looking in at many championship playoffs."

    Uh..."guaranteed"? What a 'feel good' frantic and emotional thing to say. The Pac-12's inevitable access to the new playoff system has seriously effected you. I can see that you're in a lot of pain right now. You know full well that even IF Utah and/or the Pac-12's access to the playoff IS limited, it's still a far greater access point than what your mid-majorness will afford you.

    You're also most likely very aware of the fact that with schools like USC and "Phil Knight U" in the conference, the Pac-12 will be well represented. Haha! You may wipe your tears now.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    March 7, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) no bowl

    No spinning needed; the end results/rankings say it all.

    Go Cougs!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 7, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    @Jealous U

    We could go around and around forever.
    In the long run...I'll always be interested in byu athletics. Reasons obvious. My concerns about their future as an independent are real. Good Luck...and Go Utes.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    March 7, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    ekute, I'm not sure who's desperately trying to convince when it is Ute fans on a BYU comment section?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 7, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    @WON84

    Please see my response above to @Jealous U. What makes it a byu comment section? It's an article about byu followed by an open forum. We troll each others articles. Reasons obvious.

    Like I said...luck to the Y...but...I Still Stand By All My Comments.

    As Always,Go Utes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 8, 2013 3:18 a.m.

    It's interesting to see byu fans referencing UTAH's first missed bowl game since '02.

    Here's what's actually occurred during this current BCS Era, spanning 15 years from '98-Current--

    Bowl Games played in: Both with 11

    Bowl Game record: byu is 6-5 and UTAH is 10-1

    BCS Bowl Game record....byu is 0-0 UTAH is 2-0

    All-time bowl game record....byu is 13-17-1 UTAH is 13-4

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 8, 2013 3:20 a.m.

    "The Utah Utes have played in 17 officially NCAA sanctioned bowl games. Their 13-4 record gives them a winning percentage of .765, which is the highest in the Football Bowl Subdivision among teams with at least ten bowl appearances."

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 8, 2013 3:21 a.m.

    Of Note....In addition to UTAH, BSU and TCU all having played in multiple BCS Bowl Games, what also magnifies byu's inability to ever produce on the level such an honor requires, is that Hawaii and Northern Illinois have proven themselves to be significantly more capable than their fellow non-BCS member, byu, in doing precisely this, consequently earning the right to play on the national stage in a BCS Bowl Game.

    Playing in bowl games is a great subject to discuss....Thanks to the byu fans above.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 8, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    A great pick up schedule wise. UConn is on the rise as a program and we see more of them every season. Congrats Coogs.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    The Utah Utes have played in 17 officially NCAA sanctioned bowl games...

    against mostly mediocre, unranked teams.

    Which is why so few of Utah's 13 bowl winning teams finished in the Top 25 - including only 3 of 7 for Kyle.

    What is Utah's record against ranked bowl opponents, especially Top 15 bowl opponents?

    What percentage of Utah bowl winners finished in the Top 25?

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    March 8, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    @ekute

    Yes, come to think of it, the process does apply to the Utes. It has been rough up on the hill these past few years. Hopefully that will be short-lived, that way when the rivalry starts up again, both teams have something to play for more than the Beehive Boot.

    Clearly, I'm trying to convince all the Utah fans on this article that independence wasn't a mistake...obviously UCONN is no Fresno State or Michigan, but you can't dismiss them as an irrelevant mid-major WAC-esque team that just happens to be in a BCS conference.

    Where does a ring begin? The chicken or the egg? Who's to say one way or the other. That's irrelevant in this discussion. Keep holiness out of the Holy War...

    Finally- I'm not spinning any stats or numbers..because there are obviously stats that favor each side. Head-to-head, stats overwhelmingly favor the U. Nationally, stats overwhelmingly favor the Y. Just how it is.

    When one doesn't have a legitimate argument, one resorts to bashing the opposition's credibility. Please try to avoid this...

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 8, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    @Beck to Harline

    Up on the hill...ya,it's been rough...for the byu fans.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 9, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Spin Machine:

    "What is Utah's record against ranked bowl opponents, especially Top 15 bowl opponents?"

    Against ranked opponents Utah is 3-2 (.600). Against Top-15, we are 1-2 (.333).

    Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers are 2-13-1 (.125) vs. ranked bowl opponents, and 0-9-1 (.000) vs. the Top-15.

    So either way...Edge: Utah.

    Looks like you shouldn't have went there.