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Gun rights enthusiasts march on Utah's Capitol Hill

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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 2, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    Confederate flags.

    Banners that carry a big picture of an assault weapon with words that say, "Come and get it!"

    Guns all over the place.

    I wonder how many were loaded?

    In my opinion, these are some of the people who need to be screened for mental competence and stability before packing a weapon. It's obvious that we need better mental health care in this country.

    I'm waiting for the day when there is an "accidental" discharge at one of these gathering.

    That might do a lot to impress upon people the need for some common sense safety regulations regarding weapons.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    March 2, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    OOM needs a bit of a history lesson.

    "Come and take it" is an American patriotic slogan most notably used in 1778 at Fort Morris in Georgia during the American Revolution where the British demanded that the Americans surrender their fort. And later in 1835 during the Texas Revolution, where the Mexicans demanded that the Texans at Goliad surrender their cannon. The phrase is similar to Molon labe, which is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.

    Freedom loving people do not like their means of self defense taken away by tyrants, of any stripe.

    The behavior of this group, and the condition they left the capitol grounds in, was far better than the "Occupy" folks who infested downtown Salt Lake for a while. And, everyone there handled their guns safely, and were obeying all laws.

    Is this a great country, or what?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 2, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    In my opinion, there are some people who need to be screened for mental competence, and stability before voting. It's obvious that we need better mental health care in this country.

    A 16.8 trillion dollar deficit, and we keep voting in big spenders who want to take our guns away?

    It's crazy.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 2, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    As a Utah native son and a former Special Forces Army lieutenant, experienced in the use of numerous firearms, I am astounded at the vacuous rejection expressed in this article of what I see as common sense and long overdue national gun control measures that in no way infringe upon our constitutional rights nor threaten our ability to defend ourselves. More than extreme, the sentiments expressed are delusional. If mental health is truly an issue in gun ownership, I can't imagine any of those quoted qualifying as a responsible bearer of firearms. What they advocate is decidedly contrary to our collective best interests and only serves to embarrass themselves and our state.

    We can only hope that those weapons they are constantly shaking in everyone's faces don't go off.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    The more I see and hear from these gun fanatics the more convinced I am that we need strong gun control legislation. Unfortunately we probably won't get it.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    March 2, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    Children. Children clinging to their toys. At least the governor is keeping a cool head.

    This sort of thing is completely juvenile. And I generally support the right to own firearms.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    March 2, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    worf,
    You weren't going where I thought you were going, given your first paragraph. Here's a more appropriate second paragraph:

    "A 16.8 trillion dollar deficit, and the issue motivating these people to flood the streets is juvenile, knee-jerk paranoia over potential gun control measures that won't infringe on anyone's ability to defend their home or family"

    There! Fixed it for you.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 2, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    What 2nd amendment enthusiasts desire is pure anarchy. You really want your wife and children to be exposed to wackos walking around at malls and churches wearing guns? Incredible.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 2, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Why don't those people get some constructive hobbies like serving the homeless some meals or donating to charities that help improve the human condition.
    If loving guns is all you are, you aren't much.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 2, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    Did anyone see 'wackos walking around at malls and churches wearing guns?' before gun legislation was presented? Is it 'children clinging to their toys' when someone's home is burglazed (or worse)? Was it 'delusional' and our 'collective' best interests when a crazy man stolls through Trolley Square and no one could stop it until the police arrived? Those of you who want 'common sense' gun legislation ought to take a look at how rediculous it is to hear these ludicrous 'common sense' gun laws that will absolutlely do nothing to stop anything, except law abiding gun owners who actually believe in America and its 2nd amendment. A little research, instead of partisan psuedo arguments, would do much for those who believe that the 2nd amendment is something not to defend or uphold. Stand up for unalienable rights, including a belief in God, and it is amazing how simple it is.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 3, 2013 12:19 a.m.

    Interesting that so many people think that suddenly the Federal government is going to come up with a fantastic solution to safety by simply dismantling some rights. One might choose to reflect on their success with the nation's economics, the gradual invasion of this homeland, the success with ultra-expensive brush fire wars on the other side of the planet, and virtually everything else they get involved in before becoming giddy about their ability to make the nation safer.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2013 1:23 a.m.

    Utah Constitution, Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.]
    The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.

    "one old man" commented about confederate flags should read up on the Gadsden flag. it is hardly a confederate flag.

  • The Sensible Middle Bountiful, UT
    March 3, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    A lot of police departments around the country
    are urging people to get their own gun. They
    say due to budget cuts it isn't wise to rely
    solely on them for protection, because they
    don't have the manpower to respond in a
    timely manner.

    I would argue this has always been the case
    because its possible and somewhat likely
    a home invader can kill you and other family
    members in only moments.

    If guns are to make people and families safer
    however, rules of gun safety need to be
    learned and then followed. This is important.

    I would urge the state, (Utah) to add to their
    website, gun safety rules, along with training
    Scenarios of how to use a gun safely and
    legally.

  • SLC345 SLC, UT
    March 3, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    “Utahns are known for their strong support of conservative principles, including family values and the U.S. Constitution”
    Too bad this only applies to guns. With the worst school system in the country too bad Utahns can’t put this much effort into their own education system.
    Doesn’t sound like family values, it sounds like selfish and self oriented values.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    March 3, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    One day one of these so-called "responsible gun owners" is going to snap mentally, and we're going to have another massacre on our hands. Or the "good guy" will suddently turn bad. What's the argument then? And the radical behavior described here only makes me fear that it will happen sooner than later.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 3, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Since gun laws will never stop criminals from getting guns, why, oh why are we wasting our time debating ever more gun laws! They don't work, never have and never will! What we need is criminal control, not taking away the only defense law abiding citizens have to defend themselves. If you don't care about your freedoms, your property or your safety don't buy a gun! But those of us who do, will own guns because we have to!

  • Zac Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    These people are the nuts? Wasn't it the Vice President, Joe Biden, that said, basically, if you feel threatened, go outside and shoot a gun. Then in another interview, he said that you should shoot the door to keep people away from your house.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 3, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Owning a gun may be the last freedom available to any American soon!

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    bandersen,
    "Is it 'children clinging to their toys' when someone's home is burglazed"

    No, but when people start waving aggressive propaganda banners and making a scene that should embarrass responsible gun owners over proposed legislation that will not prevent you from defending your home, then it is.

    "Stand up for unalienable rights, including a belief in God, and it is amazing how simple it is"

    Boy, talk about "pseudo arguments". What does gun control have to do with a belief in God? Did Moses bring down a Glock from Sinai along with the stone tablets?

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    March 3, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    The Pictures in the DN article "Gun Rights Enthusiasts March" Pretty much said it all! Children and others with child like mentality meeting at the Alter of the trigger, raising their voices and banners, fomenting a little more fear of big brother, who is lurking around every corner to snatch their favorite toy! To tell the truth, I am not so much worried about the hardware they are packing around, as I am of the fairy-tale rhetoric they espouse, and their possible reaction to a "the sky is falling" perceived threat! Make the argument for mental health more significant!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    It's really refreshing to see some sensible comments mixed in with a batch of NRA talking points.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 3, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Some thoughts:

    * you don't stop drunk drivers by taking cars away from responsible people.
    * gay parades are crazier
    * through out history, most human suffering have come from the hands of bad governments.

    Many people have been killed along our southern borders by cartels touting American guns,and Egypt is being armed with WMD's, also from our country.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 3, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    What the difference between a nut walking into Trolley square with a gun, or a JCPenny's?

    What's difference between attending a Utah State legislators's gathering and Arizona Congresswoman Giffords?

    Nothing.

    If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and not in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon in self-defense.

    Until we have 100% background checks - I will forced to consider all persons, with weapons, in public, as criminals, or mentally ill...and therefore automatically a threat.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    March 3, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    WHEN are these "gun activists" going to learn to spell?

    I see they're still waving DONT TREAD ON ME flags.
    Who'd buy that many misspelled flags?
    Who taught them to use the apostrophe? They should get their money back!

    "MUST-NOT" is not a (hyphenated) word. They are two separate words.

    MASS MURDERS AGREE. Really? Don't you mean "MURDERERS"?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 3, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    "...Approximately 300 people participated in the event...".

    AM radio folks covering the rally had the number at 3,000,000...

    "...shoot the door to keep people away from your house...".

    The undeniable best quote from the whole marvelous march...

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    March 3, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    Thank you! I'm right there with you. If I see anyone toting a gun in public, I am going to call the police first.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 4, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    E-major: Since you don't believe that gun ownership has anything to do with God, then explain to anyone what an 'unalienable' right is without God. The phrase is meaningless without God. If their is no meaning to 'unalienable', then please tell me what rights you have that aren't dependent on a government bureaucracy or tyrant! Of course, if you put your trust in the historically ever trustworthy humanity to protect you, I have nothing to offer you, nor does God. He said put your trust in Him, not man. God gave us rights, 'unalienable', to protect us from the stupidity of those who naively assent to give any right, if they believe they have any, to somebody in power, no questions asked. Wow!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    "...shoot the door to keep people away from your house...". There you go again, a statement by "Joe Biden".

    RULES FOR RADICALS. A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals. by Saul Alinsky, Demean, denigrate, ridicule your opposition.
    But don't argue the merits of their positions.

    If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and not in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon in self-defense. So you are one of those mentally ill carrying a gun in public. The ultimate liberal elitist I can but you can't hypocritical statement.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    In his attempt at ridicule "Most Truthful and Patriotic" makes light of historic facts.
    "WHEN are these "gun activists" going to learn to spell? I see they're still waving DONT TREAD ON ME flags. Who'd buy that many misspelled flags?" For one the U.S. Navy!

    The flags are historic not recent designs. These three flags used the spelling Dont.

    The Gasden was used in 1775 on ships attempting to prevent the British from re-supplying their troops. The snake symbol with its 13 rattles representing the 13 Colonies was widely during the Revolutionary War and the motto "Dont Tread on Me" was a defiant warning to the British. The Gadsden is considered one of this country's first flags.

    The Culpeper Minutemen, a Virginia militia formed in January 1775. This unit drove the British fleet from Hampton, Virginia in October 1775.

    The First Navy Jack first appeared on ships of the Continental Navy in 1775 under the command of Commodore Esek Hopkins. In 2002 the Secretary of the Navy directed that this flag be flown on all U.S. Navy vessels during the Global War on Terrorism.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    jsf, the argument has already been made, and decided. The government has the right to control arms.

    "Demean, denigrate, ridicule your opposition." You mean like signs that read, "Liberalism is a mental disorder"?

    Banderson, so you base your rights on a fairy tale? I'll base mine on something much more substantive, logic and reason, thank you.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 4, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    RULES FOR RADICALS. A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Conservatives. by Karl Rove, Demean, denigrate, ridicule your opposition.
    But don't argue the merits of their positions.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 5, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    LDS Liberal

    "If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and not in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon in self-defense.

    Until we have 100% background checks - I will forced to consider all persons, with weapons, in public, as criminals, or mentally ill...and therefore automatically a threat."

    Are you for real? So nobody except for you has the right to have an open carry permit? What makes you so special? You know the DHS has labelled VETERANS as the number one terror threat? You better watch what your advocating because it's going to come back and bite you.

    As for calling the police? They will laugh at you and hang up the phone. This isn't a Nazi Police state. Why do you want one? WVC may take your "complaint" seriously because they even shoot unarmed criminals now.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    "As for calling the police? They will laugh at you and hang up the phone."

    No they won't. They will send police to investigate.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    @Mark

    "No they won't. They will send police to investigate."

    By the timer they get there, the person with the gun will have wandered off.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    March 7, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Somply put: We have the right as a Citizen of the United States of America through the Second Amendment to bear arms and it is not the right of this current Administration to take that away from us. It won't be pretty if they try to enforce it.