Are these the same folks that held their hands out for $71 million in federal
aid for environmental programs? How about actually working with
each other to hammer out a memorandum of understanding instead of this
heavy-handed approach? I truly believe we are only hearing one side of the
story here. "Many examples" isn't exactly a compelling argument
without some actual proof. The enforcement officers are in a tough
spot. If they don't do anything to prevent crime on federal land, then the
communities would be howling that the feds aren't doing anything to prevent
crime, and when they do anything, the communities howl about that, too. Maybe
the counties need to double their police presence instead of trying to work
together. Not everything has to be us vs. them and we (the State of
Utah) doesn't always have to be the antagonist adolescent child.
Sounds like a sop for the atv crowd. Kane county can do better than Mike Noel.
Where are the adults? Certainly not in our legislature!If a
motorist is speeding and the federal officer is the only one around, should they
just let them speed? There actually is a reason for speed limits - safety
reasons.Come on Noel. Grow up!!!
Funny, as soon as I saw the headline, I somehow knew I'd see Mike
Noel's mug in one of the pictures.So they are saying that laws
against grave robbing and destruction of historic and natural features should
not be enforced?Balderdash!
It's curious that these groups all want Federal help when the situation
suits them but not when they don't like the laws. Spoiler alert, you
don't get to pick which laws you will agree too. It's called The
United States for a reason.
Keep it up Sheriffs
There must some economic advantage for this Representative to push this bill.
He and former Senator Aaron Tilton most likely were able to get around some of
the federal laws to get approval for a nuclear power plant and make money there.
Also, he is part of the move to get water to Washington county from the federal
waterways. States and counties do belong to the United States of
America. Some would choose which laws or agencies to comply with. This is just a continuation of the federal versus county use of roadways. If
the state or county wants a road paved or maintained, then it is a federal road
to pay the bill. You just have to look at the picture and get a
feel for dealing with anyone. Utah wanted to be so much a part of the United
States of America in the late 1800s. The federal government has a process and
it is still our government.
BLM has been in the "holier than thou, we just do it our way" mode for
many years, including at the very highest levels. Laws only apply to
"civilians" and the laws are whatever some BLM guy with a gun and a
badge says it means.Time to rein in these wannabe Rambos and ensure
they act like professionals, and fully within the laws. Pass the
How about reining in renegade Utah legislators?
Oh please, If their best example of a problem is a federal law enforcement agent
giving someone a traffic ticket, then it is clear there is no "real"
problem. Then the question is why the big show by the Rep. from Kanab? My
guess is it revolves around egos and the counties wanting to have total control.
Probably one of the people who got a ticket from a Fed was a powerful/connected
local who complained "how dare they." Yet, I am sure if something big
goes down they have no problem relying on the Feds. My favorite qoute was about
the Federal Law Enforcement Agents having no law enforcement training, of course
they do, at least 22 weeks worth at an academy; I believe said academy is in
First of all, Utah is not a "sovereign" nation as some of our renegade
lawmakers and cowboy county commissioners like to think we are. We are first
and foremost a State within the United States of America, not the United
Counties of Deseret! Second, Federal law enforcement certainly does have the
right to enforce Federal laws on Federally owned lands. And once again, before
some of you go off on all of the Federal land we have and, and it's some
Washington overreach, etc., ad nauseum, might I point out for the 100th time,
that Utah would not have existed unless the US purchased the territory (along
with others) from Mexico. Does the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ring a bell
(perhaps you all learned this in US History? Feel free to research
Mexican-American war). The US purchased what is now known as Utah. Did they ask
for the State to repay the country when we bought it? No. If anyone is
infringing on anyone's "sovereignty" is the lawmakers who still
think this is the wild west days of old... just look at the laws we pass in this
state! We're a laughing stock.
Now we have heard from the hardy back packing crowd let's get their names
so we don't waste the sheriff's search and rescue on them Just
forward the call to BLM.
Boy, there are some left-wing, big government posters on this story. You all
might try some understandong of the plight of people and law enforcement in
For those who think this such a great idea, why don't the counties simply
refuse to accept payment for tickets issued by federal officials? Apparently
they are happy to accept payment for those tickets. I got a ticket in Garfield
County by a Utah Highway Patrol trooper. The trooper was rude and condescending
to me, but I still sent a check - not to the State, but to Garfield County.
They were happy to cash my $75 check. I think an olive branch by
both sides is a much better solution to this problem.
Recent examples of bad federal judgement. Did you know it is technically illegal
to hunt ducks on USFS or BLM land. The federal code says you can not discharge a
firearm over water. How do you hunt ducks if you can't shoot our shotgun
over water? It's true, read the code. An experience this summer, my friend
just purchased a new Razor. 50" wide model, stock from the showroom.
Approved by the USFS as a legal 50" trail machine. When we got on the trail
we were stopped by a female ranger who pulled out a tape and measured the
machine, claiming it was 50.5" and would not let us on the trail! A couple
of years back while camping near Mayfield the kids went down to a small stream
and built a little rock hold pen to put some drinks in to keep them cool. A
ranger, female again, comes along and makes them take the drinks out of the
creek and threatens them with a ticket for damaging the environment. Not even
any fish in the little ditch. Just makes you really want to go out and get back
Whenever federal agents or agencies infringe upon the rights reserved to the
states and the people by the Tenth Amendment of the US Constitution, then those
federal agencies are guilty of sedition and rebellion against the government of
the United States of America. The local Sheriff who is duly elected
by the people should have them incarcerated and tried for their above crimes
against the government of the US. That would include such agencies as the EPA,
Homeland Security, Nation Security Agency and etc.The NSA is
continuing to build a facility in Bluffdale to pry into citizens personal
information that is protected by the Constitution and this agency needs to be
taken before the Supreme Court of the land to have them cease and desist in
their sedition and rebellion against the government (citizens) and return the
money to the US treasury that they have extorted to build this facility. A huge
fine on these agents and agencies would go a long way towards paying off our
national debt and releasing our posterity from bondage.
Mike Noel is rural aristocrat who wants the state to control our public lands.
They're Americans lands, not the personal property for a few rural, wanabee
A lot of finger pointing and name calling from a man with an axe to grind. I am
far more frightened by radicals like Mike Noel than a so-called over zealous
CHS85“How about actually working with each other to hammer out a
memorandum of understanding instead of this heavy-handed approach?”You mean how federal officials feel they don’t have to work with
the local authorities and scream at them when they come see them in DC?And the highway patrolman? That’s his job, to patrol state highways!
Don’t want a ticket? Don’t violate traffic laws.USAAre the state legislators overstepping their 10th amendment bounds by trying
to write federal statutes?ParkCityAggieThe bill is NOT about
stopping feds from enforcing federal statutes. I guess you did not bother to
read the article.FTyou know the thoughts and intents of Mr.
A huge "thank you" to our sheriffs', Mike Noel and the legislators
who had the good sense to vote yes. It's about time someone stepped up and
shed light on this problem. the experience "justamacguy" described is a
common occurrence in rural Utah not the exception. It's about time we put
something in place to reign in "feds gone wild" on our public lands.
You mean Upstanding citizen Republican Rep. Mike Noel of Kanab," who
"manipulates state boards, changed his title as the executive director and
manager of the Kane County Water Conservancy District to that of private
contractor for the district to avoid a possible Hatch Act violation, threatens
public employees who publicly express views that differ from his," attacks
the press and environmentalists, and "staged an illegal ATV ride in a
federally protected wash in southern Utah."Mike is against
government bailouts, unless he is the recipient. Mike and his wife are
recipients of over $200,000.00 add that to his large salaries plus his federal
retirement. Oh not to forget his ripoff of the tax system. It may be legal,
but is it ethical. He has many parcels of land valued at several hundred
thousand dollars, that he only pays a few dollars property tax. One parcel is
valued at $208,494 but he only pays $5.41 for property taxes.Just in case
you wonder how much Mike gets from the Water Conservancy $97,265.00Mike is wants more control for himself, nothing new here.
@Happy Valley Heretic,Federal grants (taxpayer money) received by
'progressive environmental groups' is $568,500,000.00.This
is a cookie jar that you have your hands into if you receive any compensation
from environmental groups for your advocacy of the take-over of Utah's
natural resources.So, if you are attacking Noel for 'attacking'
environmentalists, you are exposing yourself as a bought and paid for spokesman
for the tax exempt foundations that are under the control of wall street bankers
who make a percentage on all big government debt.
Nope I'm not a "Spokesperson" or a double dipping legislator that
you want to protect from scrutiny because he's in your gang. You should be
ashamed trying to defend someone using his position to further his own economic
growth on Utah's Citizens backs while trying to steal from the People of
America.Nice try at deflection but Noel is ethically void, and
proves it every year.