Quit making excuses Rigby. You just don't have a very good team is the
The real issue is the lack of "Malone and Stockton" and as quoted the
"hip hop culture". Also using numbers, that means that 40% corporate
seating translates to about 8000 seats which may or may not be filled. The
"used car salesman" who built the team put his body and soul into the
team and was rewarded with a charismatic result. Klinko and Okur were
charismatic as was D-Will. They now have ten "hired guns" whose
contracts are expiring with Favors, Kanter, and Hayward ready to jump ship
behind them. This is an untenable situation with 175.00 seats and 5.00 peanuts.
Kobe will make 30 mill next year. AJ makes 15 and wants more while MSap wants to
double his 8mill. This is called insanity. The fans are jumping on the nearest
bus to Little League games with their kids. Corporate is using tv revenue to buy
tickets. The answer is to rent a high school gym and to televise the game world
wide. EnergySolutions Arena could then be used to alleviate the problem with the
Utah prison system.
Funny some of the comments here. I think I will just sit on my hands and behave
We live 120 miles south of Salt Lake and used to attend 8 to 10 games a year. We
used to love going to the games but the last two years we have been very
disappointed in the style of play and the coaching. The last two years
we've been to 2 games total. For us it's hard to pay that kind of
money to watch a team that doesn't even have their best players on the
floor. The Big Al style of hogging the ball on offense and then coasting on
defense is hard to watch. We don't want to pay to see Corbin play
favoritism to aging washed up vetrans while the young talented lotto players
ride the pine. We believe that defense is a big part of the game and Corbins
starters are not putting the effort in on the defensive end either. When
the Core 4 finally get to start or Corbin is replaced then we will be back to
For the many disgruntled Jazz fans, may I suggest giving Real Salt Lake a try?
Tickets are 1/4 the price of Jazz games, RSL has legitimate stars (as opposed to
nothing but a bunch of guys other teams didn't want), and their team is
replete with guys who want to be here and play for the team.Quite a
few people have discovered this already, which is why RSL now has higher average
attendance than the Jazz.Home opener is 3/16.
@BRuss: You have it exactly right. This starting five is boring to watch, your
best bet is to DVR the game and watch it at home so you can fast forward through
the boring parts (those being when the starters are all in the lineup).
Corbin's game plan is to get the ball into Big Al's hands on most play
sequences and that's when the boredom sets in.You may not be
concerned Rigsby but you better start getting concerned. Fans have supported the
Jazz even when they had the bad seasons but now your seeing a lot of empty seats
when they are going good. They fans are speaking out and you need to be very
serious about paying heed to what their saying.
@Brave Sir Robin, that will never happen.
@ Brave Sir RobinSoccer has never been as exciting to watch as
basketball in this country, never has been, never will be. I have been to one
game, it was an ok experience, but can't measure up to a Jazz game.I enjoy the World Cup when the World's best are playing, but
that's the extent of soccer I will watch and many of us out there.
Jazz need to adopt the Walter O'Malley (Dodgers) Rule, never leave a seat
empty. You ALWAYS price always to fill. An empty seat returns Zero. A full seat
means the sale of popcorn, peanuts and cracker jacks...concessions and souvenirs
in our day. It also means more parking , more pre-game revenue for downtown
merchants and restaurants. Whenever I see an "empty seat" no matter what
the product is doing on the court or field, I think, there is an idiot business
manager that doesn't know what he's doing and has priced the revenue
out of the building into some competitors pocket. For all the
Ticket-Business Managers out there that get wind of this comment. Yes you
north-end of a south-bound donkey. I MEAN YOU! In Las Vegas, nothing goes empty
because the concession and souvenir sales are mostly profit. The seat costs
close to zero once it is already there. Walter's rule of business, not my
genius. But I am smart enough to know he was right. L. E. DeauxSports Forum WestFWAA 1982-Present
Yep. Give me hard-working players like Malone and Stockton, who DO NOT have
tattoos and me-first attitudes, and I will probably start liking the Jazz/NBA
again. But are there enough players like that these days? I don't know
because I have stopped following the league. For those of you who
are discounting MLS, I am guessing you don't have kids that play soccer.
No, it's not La Liga or EPL, but the game is usually pretty good. RSL
certainly had some problems to fix last year, but overall they have put out a
reasonably exciting product--not bad when you consider their stars make six
figures rather than eight figures. My soccer-playing son and I thoroughly enjoy
watching MLS together.
I think as a fan when we care more about the team than the players do, there
lies the problem.D Will had a foot out the door, Boozer had a foot
out the door. Malone and Stockton put the jersey on with pride. In interviews
they frequently mentioned playing "Jazz basketball." They considered
themselves Jazz men. It seemed that Williams and Boozer were collecting a check,
winning a few games and waiting to get to a bigger stage.When I feel
players are invested in really winning and going for a championship run, I think
the Jazz will get back to selling out games. I am a Jazz fan through and
through, and I continue to support the team and go to games when I can. I
don't blame season ticket holders who think they can spend their money
better elsewhere though....
may i suggest a few million dollars less on the payroll and cutt ticket prices.
why would anybody pay a week's wages to watch a game were they make 8 to 10
million a year? main question is why would they pay someoneup to 20 mil a year
to play baskettball. the people with important jobs make nothing.
In the Stockton and Malone days Larry Miller talked about contending for a title
and the fans bought into it and showed up for the games. Now management talks
about having a bunch of great guys that get along with each other but there is
no talk about contending for a title. Realistic fans see this team as a possible
8th playoff seed with a first round exit and they don't want to pay $175 to
see a bunch of good guys. You can see a buch of good guys at Sunday School!
This organization better wake up and smell the coffee (not at Sunday School) and
show they want to contend for a title again. The organization needs to get
behind an experienced head coach and support him to play the players that will
improve the future of the team even if it means taking a step back first. We
need to develop our young lottery picks!!!
We may have the most boring starting five in the league. The last bit of
excitement went out of the team when management did not bring back Fes. Fes was
wild and erratic, but he got the crowd into it, and he was an interesting
character off the court. It might be worth a league minimum salary to have
someone like Fes on the team as a matter of policy, for entertainment value.
Malone held Miller hostage every three to four years. He didn't leave, but
he threatened to leave every other year. He didn't get the payday he
wanted, (and he could have got it elsewhere). Larry had to make up for it with
business ventures. This team will have money to spend next summer, getting
someone to come to SLC is the problem.
For the Jazz front office who may read this. I am a 43 year old married male of
four kids who grew up watching the Jazz. My brother-in-law had a TV in the
church during their reception where we watched Stockton hit "the shot".
A couple of reasons I don't watch the Jazz anymore. First, can't
afford it. The last Jazz game I attended was a Jr. Jazz free ticket 5 years
ago. Tickets, parking, a $5 hotdog unreasonable for a family of 4. Second, I
can't watch the games on TV anymore. I realize I may be the last person on
the planet to still have over-the-air TV, but when the Jazz removed the last
remaining games on KJZZ, my sons and I could no longer watch. My sons
now,17,14,11, now think basketball is boring and would rather watch something
else on TV. You have lost some of the younger generation. Third, no superstars.
Who are we suppose to get excited about watching? Fourth. Hip-Hop Gangster
league. Finally, I have tried RSL and my family and I love it. I would get
their season tickets first.
It was the great Yogi Berra who said, "If people don't want to come to
the ball park, how are you going to stop them?"
If i was a great athlete..like lebron...and i want to cement my legacy in the
game...i would come to Utah...own the team...and win a championship with no
qualms just focus and team play...but im not as good as lebron...im only
5'8 mixed japanese guy from Japan...so there...im fine with a league pass
and watch the game from my TV...
its also an influence that the NBA competition format itself is ultra-lame. 82
game regular season just to eliminate half of the teams? Talk about overkill.
For an 82 game regular season they need to only let 8 teams in the playoffs. Or
keep 16 but cut the number of regular season games to 50.
Seems to me this is more about the overall fan disinterest in watching lazy
gazillionaires than just locals unhappy with the Jazz. Years ago with Malone and
Stockton the league was headed down this very same path but Utah wasn't
mainly die to Karl, John and Jerry (maybe Larry too). But now that those 4 are
all gone from the Jazz, we have joined the rest of the league and find it very
hard to appreciate the lack of heart, hustle and hard play every game. Most of
us fans work hard for our money and won't waste very much of it on their
spoiled selves when we can spend our limited entertainment money elsewhere.
Rigby if you're not worried you should be....trends are hard to stop once
they get going. Fans could relate to Larry, Jerry, John and Karl......hard to
relate to these spoiled whiners you call the Jazz.
"... a very good entertainment package..."Really? An
afternoon at the movies is "a good entertainment package".And a heck of a lot cheaper.If Jazz management expect to charge a
family $700 to attend a game they better be committed to winning an NBA title...
which of course we know they are not.When you realize that Jazz
management is not committed to winning an NBA title, the Jazz will fall to the
appropriate relevance in your life.I haven't watched a Jazz
game in decades and I'm all the better for it.