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  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    The MWC still won't put many players in the NBA.

  • Stgeorgebyu St. Georg, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Yea, still don't miss playing those teams. I like the class of fans in the league we are in now much better.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Congrats to the MWC. The Pit was always a tough place to play in. The Thomas and Mack is buzzing once again. I can't imagine playing for a "sellout crowd" of 3,500.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    I wonder if there is enough hard feelings from current MWC teams towards BYU that the current MWC teams are unwilling to schedule BYU for non-conference basketball games.

    With the WCC schedule providing little top-notch matchups except for vs. Gonzaga and vs. St. Mary's, BYU needs to try to find a way to upgrade their non-conference schedule. There are enough cupcakes in WCC play that BYU should look to replace the out-of-conference cupcakes with more solid competition.

    I've heard its hard to get any power conference teams to come to Provo.

    But out-of-conference matchups against New Mexico, UNLV, San Diego St., and CSU would be great and even vs. Boise St., AFA, Wyoming, Fresno, and Nevada would be OK.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    @ernie

    Neither will utah.

    @vegasute

    But you can easily see how it is to play in front of a non sellout "crowd" of 3500, or less, at the hc anytime you want. LOL!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    @Caleb in New York: That is a great idea, however, if BYU plays Wyo in Provo, they would have to also play Wyo at Laramie. Don't know if BYU wants to go there and take a worse beating from the so called fans that they would from Wyo's team. Many of their fans indicate their intelligence with their middle fingers and their mouths, which is very offensive to BYU's team and coaches, as one coach reported a few years ago.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Feb. 25, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    BYU football independence forced BYU basketball into this conference. Most teams are in the conference they are in due to football so This is just what happens to the other sports. That said with this team, good thing they are in a weaker conference or they would not even make the NIT.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    BYU "fan" prefers BYU in the WCC or independant.

    Somewhere where there is less competition.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Thank the NCAA for coming to Salt Lake so that the Huntsman Center will get some use this year.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    @ Whoa Nellie
    American Fork, UT

    The NCAA tourney is at the ESA and the tickets cost $ 250 each for all 3 sessions(already have mine). You have to pay to attend and you can't take your homemade popcorn and root beer in with you.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Feb. 25, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    @ panama - Yes I'm assuming that any basketball deal with a MWC school for a non-conference BYU matchup would have to be a 1 for 1 deal - one season in Provo and the next away from Provo or vice-versa. I understand that laramie would not be the most exciting place in the world to travel for an away game, but I think the effect of verbal abuse from the stands on players/coaches is not large. Coaches get paid big bucks to do what they do and they can focus on the game and so can the players. Most of BYU's team is RM's and they can handle and insult or two slung their way.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    Ok, the Utes are still growing back to competitiveness. But the Y fans are talking smack like they are going dancing this year, and are Final Four talent. Newsflash! You're not! so.. I guess maybe when you get the Lone Peak kids after their missions you'll maybe win the WCC and get back to the dance? Utah could get there before the Y, and that should be embarrassing to you.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    @joseywales

    Nothing utah has done, or is doing, indicates they are "still growing back to competitiveness". Frankly they look bad.

    That said we can easily say the same thing about utah "fans" and football. You guys talk smack as if you went to a bowl game this year and have rose bowl talent. Newsflash! You didn't and you don't! so..I guess maybe after the...well...there is no "the" for you to look forward to. BYU could get to the Rose Bowl before utah and that would be embarrassing to you.

  • EHSvoice Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Sadly, overall I believe both schools' sports programs, their natural rivalry, and their fans would have been better off in the MWC, especially in basketball. But this was all driven by the insanity in college football, money, and exposure.

    Utah's struggles would have happened regardless of conference but in their estimation had to jump conferences for football and monetary reasons. I really can't blame them as they felt it was for their own good. BYU couldn't continue under the MWC TV contract so I can't blame them as they also felt their best interest required it. But I am a disappointed fan who misses the great basketball atmosphere that both schools sacrificed in the MWC on the alter of college football and the new realities of big money.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I disagree. Utah basketball is still not great, but they are head and shoulders above last year's squad. Plus Utah has a few wins against top 100 teams, including one over a top 50 teams. That indicates Utah is moving in the right direction.

    BYU doesn't have a chance to get to the Rose Bowl before Utah. The only way for a non-AQ to get in is if a PAC or BIG school qualifies for the NCG and a non-AQ team qualifies for a BCS bowl. This is a problem for BYU because it is only guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl if they finish #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings. Chances are if BYU qualified for a BCS bowl, the Rose Bowl would skip over them and take the next available PAC/BIG team. After the playoff is put into effect the Rose Bowl will be recontacted to exclusively feature teams from the BIG and PAC-12.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 25, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    "This is a problem for BYU because it is only guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl if they finish #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings"

    Not true. If BYU had finished #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings this past season, they would have been in the BCS title game. They could have qualified for a BCS bowl with a top 10 finish in the rankings. That's pretty much the case for any team.

    Moving forward, if BYU were to finish in the top 4, they should get a spot in the 4 team playoff. Again, true for any team.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    @2fer

    I was commenting more on the likelyhood that utah will ever qualify for the rose bowl, it's highly unlikely, especially anytime soon. As for basketball they are not good. It would be hard to be worse than they were last year but they are so far from good that claiming improvement is not really much of a claim. I know that utah "fans" don't like to hear reality from BYU fans but that is reality.

  • Scandrus Cedar Hills, Utah
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    Utah's win/ loss record improved because they refused to play Weber State, Utah State or any other decent team in the preseason except BYU and Boise State. If Utah had known Boise State was going to be descent they wouldn't have scheduled them.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    @ NevadaCoug

    They could have. But the only way BYU is 'guaranteed' a BCS game is if they finish number 1 or 2. Any other non-AQ is guaranteed a spot in BCS bowl for being the highest ranked non-AQ and being ranked higher than 12. It's possible that another BYU could get picked up by another BCS bowl, but not by the Rose Bowl.

    @ Duckhunter

    It may be highly unlikely that Utah goes to the Rose Bowl anytime soon, but Utah's chances are still infinitely better than BYU's. We agree that Utah basketball is still bad, but there is no denying that Utah basketball is improving. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with that statement.

    @ Scandrus

    Utah's SOS is 67. Which is by far the best in the state. But besides the W/L record, it is easy to see that Utah is playing much better basketball than they were last year.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    Being #1 RPI is great. No one in the country can see them on their TV contract but being #1 is great.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 26, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    "Right now, the Cougars are in the 10th-best league and the Utes in the 6th-best. But what if they’d stayed in the conference they helped create nearly 15 years ago?"

    They'd never be on national television (I guess Utah still rarely is) and pulling in fraction of the television revenues each currently does...

  • nehu Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Great the Aggies will be going to MWC, really like our situation, now we just have to win. Good news being that we won't have to win the conference tournament to get in EVERY single time. StGeorgeBYU I am confused about what fans you are referring to? :) Don't seem to notice too many fans at the games BYU plays in, other than Zaga of course.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    @2fer

    Ok, they've improved I'll agree, but I don't think it is nearly as much as utah fans think it is and seeing as though they have started mostly seniors this year I think they are in for another bad year next year even if the young talent is decent. Of course we don't really know if that young talent is decent because it hasn't been played very much.

    I understand what krystkowiak did this year, he HAD to get some wins and try to make it appear that utah has improved. The ooc schedule was purposely bad to accomplish that, then he hoped that they would be able to get a few more wins in the pac12 to maybe get them to .500 overall. That hasn't happened either, and won't.

    It is a bit of a catch 22 for him, they have to win some games to try and get fans back but they can't get wins unless the teams are really bad which does nothing to prepare them for conference play. It's a tough situation but he signed on for it.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Feb. 26, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    54-IQ

    "The NCAA tourney is at the ESA and the tickets cost $250 each for all 3 sessions(already have mine). You have to pay to attend and you can't take your homemade popcorn and root beer in with you."

    That isn't "root" beer you're sneaking into RES and the HC.

    After having "fans" outside the HC give you free tickets for the pseudo basketball games played inside, it's great that you realized that you'd actually have to pay to see real basketball played inside the ESA.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 26, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    nehu

    "Don't seem to notice too many fans at the games BYU plays in, other than Zaga of course."

    You obviously didn't watch the BYU-Saint Mary's game; the McKeon Pavilion was packed, standing room only. I seem to recall the Aggies getting whipped by the Gaels in the Spectrum.

    Anyway, the Aggies should do well in the MWC, especially if the new football coach can keep Utah State playing at the same level Anderson got them to.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    I love USU moving to the MWC. It is a great fit for the Aggies. It makes geographical sense, it dramatically improves basketball scheduling issues, and provides stability that USU has sought for for so long. LOVE IT!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Feb. 26, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    You are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with? You probably also predicted in 2003 that Utah would never make it to the Sugar or Fiesta. All you prove Duckhunter is that you really don't know what will happen, do you?

    You said, "BYU could get to the Rose Bowl before Utah and that would be embarrassing...". Why don't you worry about beating Utah first. Don't you think the Cougars will have to learn how to do that before a Rose Bowl invitation is extended?

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Oh duckie, you are about as funny as that Books guy who comments about HS basketball. the Y will never go to a rose bowl, silly rabbit, rose bowls are for conference teams. I guess theoretically they COULD, but really, why submit yourself to that right?

    However, in things that are real and not fake, Utah could realistically end up dancing before the Y gets back into the tourney. I know that the odds are about even, but like I said, as bad as Utah has been the last few years, and you guys would know, you've been pointing it out like crazy, but as bad as they have been, it would be embarrassing if they get in the big dance before the cougies. At least I would be embarrassed if I were a true bluer.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    U 90

    re: "You [Duckhunter] are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with?"

    Two years ago, Utah fans were fabulous at predicting that the Utes would be making frequent trips to the Rose Bowl.

    Whose predictions have been more accurate so far?

    Here's a clue:

    Arizona has been a member of the PAC 10 since 1979, yet the Wildcats have NEVER played in a Rose Bowl.

    The Utes won only SIX conference championships in the 39 years (1962-2010) they were in the WAC/MWC. From 1962 to 1991, the Utes won ONE conference championship.

    Why would any objective fan expect the Utes to be more successful in the PAC, than they were in the WAC/MWC?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 27, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    @ TroyTown

    "U 90

    re: "You [Duckhunter] are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with?"

    Two years ago, Utah fans were fabulous at predicting that the Utes would be making frequent trips to the Rose Bowl.

    Whose predictions have been more accurate so far?"

    Amazing post, but this comment takes the cake!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 27, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    U90 - why are you even wasting your breath talking about lil ducky's famous predictions? We all know what happens to them!! Remember Fangupo? Ya, neither does anyone else!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    @U90 "Why don't you worry about beating Utah first. Don't you think the Cougars will have to learn how to do that before a Rose Bowl invitation is extended?"

    You know, it wasn't that long ago that BYU had taken 3 out of 4 from Utah. In fact, I got home from my mission in time to watch the OT Hall-to-George thriller.

    BYU's proven time and again that it knows how to beat Utah. I think it's cute that Ute fans beat their chests about "3 in a row" over their supposed "irrelevant" and "left-behind rival", when two of those wins were complete flukes, gift-wrapped and handed to U on a silver platter.

    So because U have lucked into 3 in a row over BYU and U are now in the PAC 12, I'm supposed to now take U seriously/think U are relevant?

    The fact that U use beating BYU as your metric of success tells me just how little brotherish U are.

    That, and the trailer park football facilities. Those are just hilarious!

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    @VegasUte "How embarrassing is it for the [Cougars] who will finish with 7 losses in a league that plays in jr. high school gyms and sports such collegiate power-houses as the Pilots, the Dons and the Toreros."

    Not as embarrassing as getting beat by a 13-12 Division II school (Sacramento State) on your home floor, or losing to the PAC 12 "powers" of OSU, WSU, and USC.

    A down year for BYU still results in 20+ wins, 3rd place in their conference, and a postseason berth. An "up" year for Utah has resulted in sub .500 play and being at the bottom of the PAC (again).

    That pretty much sums up where both programs are at right now. But thanks for your interest in BYU basketball. It's good to know that our fan base is spreading

    Go Cougars!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    "Not as embarrassing as getting beat by a 13-12 Division II school (Sacramento State)"

    Well even that wouldn't be as embarrassing as not knowing what division Sac State is in when you try trash-talking, then disregarding your own team's losses to 13-win teams (13-15 SF, 13-16 SD). Congrats on another #3 finish, though, can't wait to see next year how much more the drop in competition level from the MWC to the WCC will have affected the team!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 27, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    The MWC is a solid conference. It's kinda too bad the horrible TV contract with the Mountain, helped wreck the whole deal. It's a very solid basketball conference. Unfortunately, Football runs the show. The current MWC certainly deserves and auto BCS bid over the Big East. If BYU, Utah and TCU would have stayed; it would have really been a tough conference. The PAC 12 deal was way too much for Utah to pass up either way.

    @truecoug

    Do you ever actually comment on the topic, or just troll the threads looking for a fight? Never mind, I already know the answer.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    - Sac St. is not DII, in any sport.

    - OSU, WSU, and USC are all ranked higher than half of the WCC.

    - Using your logic BYU 'lucked into' their only three football wins over Utah this decade. In fact if we attribute every close win as a fluke then it is fair to say that the only reason Utah hasn't won 16 in a row is because BYU got lucky.

    @ deductive reasoning

    Nobody is impressed that 3,500 people packed McKeon Pavilion. Weber State drew more people to the D when it played Arizona Christian.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "Do you ever actually comment on the topic, or just troll the threads looking for a fight?"

    I will comment on the topic occasionally, but I enjoy bantering with Ute "trolls" who come onto BYU boards and start running their mouths (I understand that this is an article for both schools).

    Like I've said before, why is it that I'm not allowed to defend my school, but it's ok for U fans to bash on, and mock, BYU?

    Stop being so hypocritical.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    @StGSLC, Two For Flinching "Well even that wouldn't be as embarrassing as not knowing what division Sac State is in when you try trash-talking"

    Oooh, U got me there, I just got burned (roll my eyes). My bad on not knowing that Sacramento St is a D1 school. I guess I should've figured if Utah is a D1 school, Sac St is as well.

    And I'm not arguing that BYU has lost to some bad teams. My overall point was that even in a down year, BYU has won 20 games and will go on to the postseason in some fashion. In an "up" year for Utah, U have a sub .500 team and are at the bottom of the PAC.

    Just shows the difference between the two programs.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    @TwoForFlinching "Using your logic BYU 'lucked into' their only three football wins over Utah this decade."

    Please look up for me how many passing TD's Beck had in his career, how many receiving TD's Harline had in his career (Beck to Harline), how many catches Austin Collie had in his career (4th and 18), how many passing TD's Hall had in his career, and how many TD's George had in his career.

    Then tell me how many times in the 2010 season that BYU had an opponent's muffed punt bounce off of them, had an interception and knee down before fumbling a ball get overturned, how many muffed handoffs BYU had, and then in 2012 how many bad snaps that we muffed without recovering.

    The blocked FG's in both games weren't flukes (great plays by Utah), nor was BYU's missing their last FG attempt in 2012 (our kicking game was horrible last year).

    However, Utah doesn't win either of those games without those fluke bounces going their way. So please don't give me this "Utah has dominated BYU" talk.

    It's a great rivalry. Sad to see it go away next year.

    Go Cougars!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    truecoug1, the cougs have had plenty of bad snaps in the last couple years, some of which they've recovered, some of which the other team does, those are usually 50/50 plays. I don't even watch much BYU football and I've seen at least 4 or 5, at least 3 of which came against Utah, one of which was returned for a touchdown (Utah led the country in scoop and scores, by the way), one recovered by BYU then subsequently fumbled, and the other going out the back of the end zone, but negated due to the defensive player grabbing the facemask trying to make the tackle.

    Now tell me how many tackles Stevenson Sylvester has made in his career without having a teammate take him out, or how many times out of 100 a QB has a favorable result in lobbing a pass across the field, across his body, or how many times the officials penalize only one team for extra representatives being on the field, when clearly both teams did. Yes these weird (flukey, if you will) plays happen, but it's never a one-way street.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    truecoug1, contd.

    My point isn't to perpetuate this silly, juvenile argument of "your team was luckier to beat my team than my team was to beat your team!" My point is that when it comes down to it, it's the team that makes the plays to win the game that gets the credit for the win. If the other team was actually better, they wouldn't have made the boneheaded mistakes to lose the game. And yes, this year, both teams looked pretty boneheaded, with the BYU plays you mentioned, and Utah's plays to give up 14 points of a 17 point lead in one quarter. But the team that wins gets bragging rights. The other team can man up or whine all offseason about it. Not accusing you of either, but there are obviously some who've chosen which they'd rather do.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    It's not about you not knowing about Sac St., itself. It's an indication that you don't know very much about college sports in general.

    Beck threw many TD passes, not many were across his body and across the field as he was falling down.

    Collie had many catches, not many were on fourth and long.

    In 2010, BYU's coaches went conservative after BYU got the lead. That, more than anything, is why BYU lost.

    In 2011, BYU lost six fumbles. That is not something good teams do, ever. BYU was playing bad football on both sides of the ball and Utah took advantage with 47 unanswered points.

    In 2012, BYU had a bunch a bad snaps against Utah, two that went flying by Nelson. Come to think if it, USC did too. You don't think it could have had anything to do with the center rushing to get off the ball to help block Star, do you? I guess that would make it not a fluke, but a consequence of one of Utah's great players impacting the game.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:20 a.m.

    MWC is hardly tops in the country. Is it better then the Big10 or the Big12. The top conference in the country is the SEC. No other conference compares. Especially not the MWC.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Congratulations to the MWC on their current basketball standings. What a conference they would be if byu hadn't panicked when the Utes left.

    Optimism is the word of the day for the Utes. They're set in the Pac12.

    When I read between the lines of the byu commenters, I see worry and envy.

    Go Utes.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Stang08, you do realize what sport the article is talking about, right? And why they said the MWC is "tops in the country?" Or did you bother reading? SEC is definitely not tops in basketball. This year they are by far the worst of the Power 6, and yes, the MWC is much better, and probably a couple other midmajor conferences as well.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    @Duckhunter
    "Nothing utah has done, or is doing, indicates they are "still growing back to competitiveness". Frankly they look bad."

    Utah has only been blown out a couple times this year. Last year it seemed like they were blown out every other game.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    @truecoug1
    "BYU has won 20 games and will go on to the postseason in some fashion. "

    I'm not sure that's actually determined yet...

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    As much as I would love to go back to the MWC...Holmoe is too prideful to ever do that. :(

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    StGtoSLC,

    So what would top conference for basketball be? I still say it isn't the MWC. Maybe the ACC or the Big10?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Stang08, I personally believe the B1G is the best basketball conference based on the eye test, but this is the RPI, which is the objective standard for college basketball. But subjectively, the argument can still definitely be made that the MWC is the best. The Big East is in the discussion as well, but not the ACC this year. Regardless, the MWC has shown to be very good this year, and right now is rated objectively as the #1 conference, and your personal bias against anything associated with USU can't refute that.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    trucoug,

    8 of 11 and 54-10 are not flukes... that is flat out domination.

    Utah does not measure success based on beating BYU. My point to Duckhunter was that if BYU was going to make it to a Rose Bown before Utah they better learn how to beat the Utes first. Try reading that post again and check yourself for comprehension.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    the exact same thing can be said of you also Spokane,i have noticed that you are on this thread constantly going off topic as well ,along with about 35 other BYU haters ,you and all the others on here constantly talk trash on BYU threads or any BYU article for that matter,so i think before you say anything about BYU any poster that you take a good look at yourself also

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    Next year though what will become of the MWC? The only thing they have going for them is BSU. You can't deny that; If it weren't for that school after Utah and BYU left the MWC would've turned into what the WAC is now.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Stang, let the big boys discuss the WMC. The article is about basketball and Boise has never been a dominate basketball school. When it comes to football both USU and San Jose finished the season in the top 25. The MWC will be a great conference for both hoops and the grid iron.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    March 1, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    This Ute fan DIDN'T think Utah was going to a Rose Bowl all of a sudden with a PAC 12 invite. Still being optimistic and hopeful is not delusional. Your Arizona example is a legitimate comparison in my eyes though. Still, your dislike for Utah and their chances (or lack thereof) in making a Rose Bowl based on performance in the WAC/MWC from 1962-2010 is NOT the way to approach this argument.

    Utah was awful for so long, but the program, facilities, and the market (recruiting wise) is way up from the dog days. Utah's program the last 20 years has been getting better and has accomplished more than some BYU fans want to realize. Utah did win conference Championships outright in 2003, 2004 and 2008 (not one championship). They also had some co-championships (the 1994 team was 10-2 and won the Freedom Bowl).

    Utah has beaten BYU in 13 of the last 20 years. And from 2000-2010, Utah beat more BCS teams than any other non AQ program (including Boise State, BYU and TCU). Now Utah plays these schools week in and week out and is being humbled.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    March 1, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Go Big Blue,

    Would that be the MWC? I'm confused I thought we were talking about the MWC not the WMC conference. But then again you know better then I what conference the Aggies are going into. I know what we are talking about but I'm not sure you do. And if you want to talk about football USU was a very low ranking top 25 team. Not high enough to be taken seriously.