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Dick Harmon: Frustrated Tyler Haws is tip of iceberg for BYU, coach Dave Rose

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  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:30 a.m.

    at Thomas Jefferson, I am NOT a BYU fan, but coach Rose has always been tough and taught the same. This team has weaknesses and is not as talented as you say.

  • atlcoug Atlanta, GA
    Feb. 14, 2013 6:17 a.m.

    One of the reasons I don't watch the NBA, is that I hate the physical play. I know I am old school, but I don't think the tactics used against Haws, or anyone else, should be tolerated by referees. A foul should still be a foul. It takes away from the beauty of the game, in my opinion, to allow such rough play. I would be frustrated too. I think the loss of Collinsworth and Rodgers plays a big role in the struggles the Cougars have experienced this year.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    The WCC referees have been awful, even as bad as PAC-12 refs. Haws can overcome much of his struggles if Dave Rose tweaks the system so as to give Haws a better chance to develop as a more all around player and passer. Haws can also learn to be better at driving the basket and dishing to the open man. The system needs to create far more screens to create opportunity for Haws to lose the dog on his tail. Teach them to make better picks. This system of coming down the floor and firing up the shot without a play is not working.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    Since hockey is the only real sport it's only natural for basketball to want to emulate hockey without skates and sticks. However, even in hockey clutching and grabbing and interference is not tolerated and penalties are automatic. If i were coach Rose i'd send in Kaufusi a lot more and send the opposing players a message. Test out the refs as harmon indicates.

  • sticks17 Midway, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    @atl coug.
    Couldn't agree with you more. A foul is a foul and it should be called! This is on the referees. Its really sad that people are getting heralded as "defensive stoppers" when a player, not just Haws, any player, on any team can't even move becuase he is being grabbed, pushed, and even some cases wrestled to the floor. I have watched enough of WCC and PAC games and the refs are a joke! When you see the refs walk in and recognize certain ones, you know exactly what kind of night its going to be and that is horribly unfortunate, that you know that before the game even starts!

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    It boils down to the wrong decision of joining the WCC. BYU was a much better team in the MWC and should rejoin.WCC is a terrible fit. Yes they don't have to play on Sundays and ESPN broadcasts more games but its unnatural. The MWC is far stronger than the WCC and the teams are more natural opponents.Basketball was more enjoyablein the MWC. It is difficult to watch and enjoy BYU playing in the WCC.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Whining about physical play and reffing is worse than pointless. That attitude is exactly what opponents are hoping for when they decide to bang on a particular player. I don't think moaning about it makes anyone "old school," it means you don't understand basketball. I don't know what hoops was like 50 years ago, but if you think pro basketball is more physical now than it was in the early 80's, you need to watch more ESPN Classic. That's an absolute fallacy.

    Maybe I'm sympathetic because of my personal experience. I played HS ball from '88-'90, and we were a very physical team. I remember after one game a coach was quoted in the local paper as saying we "have a pretty good football team." I couldn't have been more delighted. Once the other side started focusing on the refs, they were toast. We ended up 5th in state my junior year and 2nd my senior year, before winning state the next two.

    If you're not playing physical against top scorers, you're not playing smart. Do you want to look pretty, or do you want to win?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    RE: New to Utah

    "The MWC is far stronger than the WCC and the teams are more natural opponents."

    We just lost to San Fransisco and San Diego and have not yet beet St. Marys and only have one win against Gonzaga. Being in the WCC is not the problem... winning is. We're in a down year but Rose is an excellent recruiter and we should continue to be competitive for the foreseeable future. Bummer there will be ONE year not going tot he tournament but the Cougars should bounce right back.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Haws needs to toughen up, and I'm sure he will. Loads of talent.

    But what is it with this team? They just haven't been able to pull it together. I'm convinced it is a mental thing. Too many who haven't transitioned from their missions?

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    In the game of basketball, if you can't shoot, you don't win many games. For all the shooters who are supposed to be on this team--they are awful. If not for Haws, this team would have a losing record. Davies is a huge disappointment...and it isn't his ankle. Zylstra is terrible, Carlino is Mr. inconsistency. Teams don't win with starters like that.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Cinci Man

    "The WCC referees have been awful, even as bad as PAC-12 refs."

    True, but there's little BYU can do to change that, so the Cougars are simply going to have to adjust each game according to how the refs are calling it. BYU may have to put in some pick and rolls, and screens to free up Haws for shots. If the defense is going to play aggressively, the offense can be adjusted to take advantage of that over aggression.

    New to Utah

    "It boils down to the wrong decision of joining the WCC. BYU was a much better team in the MWC and should rejoin.WCC is a terrible fit."

    The MWC is a much better league and was a much better fit, but the WCC is a decent league, and until BYU starts dominating the conference, it's silly to suggest that BYU is too good for the WCC. There's no reason BYU can't be very successful in the WCC. Just as Gonzaga has done, BYU will have to beef up its non-conference schedule to compensate for the weakness of the lower half of the WCC.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    "It boils down to the wrong decision of joining the WCC. BYU was a much better team in the MWC and should rejoin.WCC is a terrible fit. Yes they don't have to play on Sundays and ESPN broadcasts more games but its unnatural. The MWC is far stronger than the WCC and the teams are more natural opponents.Basketball was more enjoyablein the MWC. It is difficult to watch and enjoy BYU playing in the WCC."

    BYU has no attractive options when it comes to conference affiliation or joining a conference with schools of their size. This will not change as long as they're affiliated with the LDS church and abide by LDS church rules.

    The MWC might be performing at a high level in basketball but, the revenue is peanuts and certainly wouldn't warrant moving football back (the MWC isn't going to allow the non-revenue sports to come back).

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    New to Utah

    Gonzaga is looking like a potential #1 seed and Final Four team. BYU's biggest obstacle to success isn't the conference, it's themselves. This BYU team simply isn't very good. When Haws, Davies, and Carlino are all having good games, and Zilstra, Sharp and Winder are contributing, this team can be very good. But, they haven't done it consistently, even against mediocre teams, and they haven't shown that ability at all against very good teams.

    Not to worry. Help is on the way. ESPN ranks BYU 2013 recruiting class #15 in the country.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Yes, officiating has been horrible. HS refs in Utah are superior to these jokers. Seriously. They are jokes. None of them know the difference between a block and a charge and call which ever one gives them the most opportunity to dance around the flow taking attention away from the players and the game. But...

    BYU has failed to adapt to the poor officiating. The other WCC teams know what they have and have adapted. BYU needs to punch the other teams in the mouth on 3/4/5 consecutive possessions until the defense knows how the game is going to be called and then adjust accordingly.

    Tyler needs to finish his shots and stop doing the Jimmer falltothegroundaftereveryshot move and finish strong, upright and get the call or get the shot to go thru. He's not. Brandon needs to stop fouling after he has a turnover and stop the stupid shots. This team is 11-1 in conference with only those two changes.

    The Key? Dave Rice. Yup. He is gone. I love Rose, but the coaches are not doing their job. No adjustments of merit. Right players always seemingly in wrong places. Season is done.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    New to Utah

    Gonzaga is looking like a potential #1 seed and Final Four team. BYU's biggest obstacle to success isn't the conference, it's themselves. This BYU team simply isn't very good. When Haws, Davies, and Carlino are all having good games, and Zilstra, Sharp and Winder are contributing, this team can be very good. But, they haven't done it consistently, even against mediocre teams, and they haven't shown that ability at all against very good teams.

    Not to worry. Help is on the way. ESPN ranks BYU's 2013 recruiting class #15 in the country. Not all recruits will be playing for BYU next season, but with the ones who will, plus some returning missionaries, BYU should have a much better team next season.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    I've been one of Harmon’s strongest critics with his cupcake, low lying fruit, feel-good articles. However, I actually like his analysis of the team in this particular article. I guess the only question I have is: "Recruited quick help hasn’t made up for losing Chris Collinsworth and Steve Rogers with their career-ending injuries." Collinsworth and Rogers were that big of a loss? When did Collinsworth actually play last and how much did he contribute when he did? He made 2 games last season and 9 games 2 seasons ago. No big miss there because he never did anything, other than look "big" on paper. Also, at 6'8" & 195, was Rogers that big of a help inside to where his absence is a lost? What I'm getting as is that our Cougs have historically been soft inside. Look at the size of our 3, 4's & 5's? We rarely have much meat at those positions.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Tyler is fouled about 3 times more than the fouls that are called. Don't know why this always happens to BYU since it was the same for Jimmer.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    For Skywalker and ATLCoug:

    Can't agree more; Except.

    I think you both don't see the whole picture. Right now the odds of Kyle coming back to play ball is Provo is about 10%. No one wants to talk about it. No one wants to think about it. But the reality is this: When was the last time anyone saw any Collinsworth's in the Marriott Center??

    Yep. That's right folks. You haven't.

    Until the coaches figure out how to handle the loss of Rice, and get their Coaching up to par, our recruiting class of both recruits and returning missionaries is going to look a whole lot different than what we think.

    I'm generally not a naysayer, but the cloud over BYU Basketball right now is dark and ominous. Unless Rose makes some changes with plays, players, staff and strategies; Our program will be flounder in mediocrity. I for one won't pay the extortion for tickets that I did this year. Too frustrating.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    The way to combat physical play from your opponents is to set hard picks. Knock them down. When you foul, foul hard. Dribble through them and knock them down. Set a pick and put an elbow in their mouth. Physical play should result in kind. If you are going to get called for a charge, make them pay for being in the way. Haws needs to get loose? Set a very hard pick on his man. Knock them down. Rebounding? Get a rebound, put an elbow in the face if you are closely guarded. The bottom line? Play intelligently dirty.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Opposing coaches are not stupid. The book on BYU is they can't play physical. You can tell your players to play hard but if it's not in their make up they just won't do it. They have some good boys but the good boys need to get a mean streak. BYU needs a player like Demare Carrol of the Jazz. Someone that will mix it up and be an enforcer.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    @ Esquire "They just haven't been able to pull it together. I'm convinced it is a mental thing. Too many who haven't transitioned from their missions?"

    Esquire, I don't think it's been too many not transitioning from their missions, because that really only pertains to Haws. Davies is almost a non-presence in his senior leadership. He's the team captain, but I just don't see him as a leader at all. Zylstra has been a huge drop off from the spark he provided last season. Although he's done decent in conf play, Carlino still has not been the consistent player the team needs and plays out of control too often. And with Austin and Sharp, I've seen pop sickle sticks bigger. Other than Haws, all the others were on the non-Jimmer team last year who went to the NCAA Tourney and won in their play-in game against Iona. Look at the senior leadership Hartsock provided last season. That's definitely missing, and is Haws fitting in well with the personnel around him? That's not Haws' fault. He simply looks like a fish out of water out there.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    ogmson

    "Right now the odds of Kyle coming back to play ball is Provo is about 10%."

    You missed a zero there; the odds are more like 100%.

    "Until the coaches figure out how to handle the loss of Rice, and get their Coaching up to par, our recruiting class of both recruits and returning missionaries is going to look a whole lot different than what we think."

    It's obvious that it's a whole lot different than what you think. ESPN ranks BYU's 2013 recruiting class #15 in the country, including TWO ESPN Top 100 recruits. Rice is a good coach, but he's only 5-5 in the MWC this year, having lost games at New Mexico, Colorado St., Boise St., and Fresno St. And, he lost at home last night to good, but not great, Air Force.

    "I for one won't pay the extortion for tickets that I did this year."

    What extortion? BYU season ticket prices are quite reasonable. We had season tickets a mid-court, and didn't pay an arm-and-a-leg for them.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Wow, someone finally bringing up our core problems on the team. Lack of physical play leading to over usage of the 3 pointer. Curious why Dave still does not play Kaufusi. I have mentioned this on every one of my posts. I could swear this guy has been reading my posts. Second, is to quit whining and get even. How do you combat the bully. Get meaner and tougher and do not whine. Read "Flashback". He explains how to get back without the whining.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    I said this in another post, but I'm going to say it again. Bay area and LA ball are very different than Mountain West ball. It's more aggressive and players like to see what the referees' limits are as well. Sacramento area high school teams get clobbered by Bay area teams specifically for the latter reason. Coach Rose is going to have to adjust his players to this style of play or recruit differently. Second, losing Rogers and Collinsworth was huge. Davies is the only big man with any skill on the team, but he's inconsistent and not very patient. Third, people are blaming the refs, but it's not the refs. The Cougs need to get used to this style of play. Third, Coach Rose did not do a very good job at mining the junior colleges to find players to take Collinsworth and Rogers' places. None of them had proven themselves at the JC level. Their JC stats weren't very impressive. Finally, the Cougs this year outside of Haws are not very good. they can't shoot from the perimeter very well. The WCC is a perimeter/3-point shooting conference.

  • Goooo Cougars Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    While the class of next year looks good, most of them will be leaving on a mission and will not even play for a few years. So next year looks even worse than this year. Unless they get some amazing transfer or jc players it could be an ugly season next year, especially if carlino continues his erratic play.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    @ rafinsure: "losing Rogers and Collinsworth was huge."

    Seriously? Both were absolutely non-contributors last year, and the team more than did fine. Any contributions they made to the team were 2 & 3 years ago at best, and I wouldn't put their ocntributions as huge.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Losing Collinsworth and Rogers were huge loses for this year's team because it left the Cougars depleted of big men who can rebound and provide muscle under the basket. Regarding last year's team, the Cougars weren't very good. They barely received an at-large invitation to March Madness, barely made it out of the prelims, and got knocked out in the first round. Last year's saving grace was Noah Hartsock and he obviously graduated last year. One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team. The Cougs do not have enough big men to withstand the pounding against other teams.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    @ rafinsure "One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team."

    Gotcha. You're on a fishing expedition and trying to cath me with your bait. Nope. Don't like fishing! :o)

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    I meant So. Cal Reader.

    Losing Collinsworth and Rogers were huge loses for this year's team because it left the Cougars depleted of big men who can rebound and provide muscle under the basket. Regarding last year's team, the Cougars weren't very good. They barely received an at-large invitation to March Madness, barely made it out of the prelims, and got knocked out in the first round. Last year's saving grace was Noah Hartsock and he obviously graduated last year. One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team. The Cougs do not have enough big men to withstand the pounding against other teams.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    What rafinsure seems to be saying is if Collinsworth and Rogers had both been healthy and able to contribute that would have been huge for this year's team. That's what Rose was counting on when he recruited this team. Not having them, left a gaping hole. Rose recognized that, which is why he brought in Bronson to try to fill that void.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    No doubt the forwards are too small no matter how hard they play and they have not done very well on scoring. Maybe Kaufusi can score it should be tried. Austin and Davies are good workers, but seem to have trouble making layups. Maybe next year.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    I think Dick is spot on on his analysis here. The reality of this conference is physical play and 3-point shooting. BYU has neither.

    I tend to agree with So Cal Reader. I don't think collinsworth and Rogers were major contributors. Collinsworth was a pretty big body that could rebound OK, but he was never really healthy enough to see what he could do. Rogers was an average 3 point shooter (which is probably better than anyone we have now) but he wasn't a physical player.

    I wold say that the JC recruits to replace them have disappointing to say the least.

    Those calling for BYU to come groveling back to the MWC have lost their minds. I do miss playing those teams in basketball but in football, I say good riddance. What a bunch of whiners, especially the commissioner.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    I would just like to see Kaufusi go D-lineman on Delavadova (sp?) next time they play.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Lately it seems like Carlino, Haws and Davies are starving for the ball. If they give up the ball in a possession, they're afraid they won't see it again. Without knowing for sure, I don't think the big three are playing for each other....

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    As far as next year's recruits, I don't think the outside shooting has many prospects.

    We get Kyle Collinsworth back from a mission, but even assuming he returns to shape as quickly as Haws, KC is a utility player who can play point, wing, and rebound, but he wasn't a great outside shooter before he left--maybe that'll change. With Nick Emery leaving on a mission this year and only the big guys coming for their freshman year (Mika, Hartsock, Worthington), it looks like BYU's only hope is for one of the current players to step up and become a three-point specialist.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Thank you contributors! I have really enjoyed reading the various posts from all of you. It was a pure delight not to have biting critism from Ute bloggers. If DN was responsible for that, my sincere thank you! We should be able to have a spirited discussion about our team without putdowns and mean-spirited sarcasm. Thank you again!

    Go Cougars!

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    Basketball is supposed to be a non contact sport and the way some of these teams have been mugging Haws should never be allowed ,i refereed high school and junior college games for almost 12 years and if anybody was pushing and shoving like these guys seem to do to Haws would have fouled out by half time if the refs were doing the job they are hired to do this is not football or wrestling and the referees should not let it be going on their job is to keep control of the game and not let players run roughshod on other players,no player should never be getting cuts over the eye if they do it was most likely caused by aggressive play by the defense player and fouls should be called keep the rough play in the NBA and not college.

  • parrothead orem, ut
    Feb. 14, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    Nothing better than college BB-especially tough players & teams. Coug's seem to be pretty soft & complacent- Ogmson is right, they miss Dave Rice. Suck it up Coug's!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    I agree with moderateinmagna. Referees are supposed to call the game according to the rules in the rule book, not according their own set of rules.

    It's not about sucking it up, it's not about being tough, it's about being fair. How games are called should be standard, just like the rules. They shouldn't change from game to game of from conference to conference.

  • ParkerCoug12 Parker, CO
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    I like Tyler Haws, but I believe he is pressing too hard. He seems low on energy the past few games, and is forcing it too much, getting his shot blocked, etc. I would like to see a little more passing when is guarded so closely.

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    BYUalum,
    So you're saying it's good to have dialog with only people that share your opinion? I'm glad the founding fathers of our country didn't feel the same way. I think this experience will be good for BYU basketball. We no longer shot at peach baskets and have set shots. The game has changed and teams must adapt.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    It's a good thing some of you aren't coaches. I can just picture you telling your kids if you're down at halftime "The refs are out to get us! This isn't how basketball is supposed to be played! They should have at least three guys fouled out by now!" Yep; that would definitely be an effective strategy.

    Being momentarily upset about a particular call or non-call is one thing. Acting the victim and whining on and on is entirely another. You're allowing things beyond your control to dictate your state of mind. I'll say it again: once an opponent has you focusing on the refs, they have already beaten you. In big boy basketball, good teams play through it, keep running your sets, adjust as necessary, and accept whatever results you get. I guess whining is much more fun.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    SlopJ30

    So I guess all of those elite coaches for elite teams who are constantly ragging on the referees should stop their whining?

    You need to wake up and smell the coffee, my friend. Watch Coach K sometime. He wants EVERY call to go his way.

    If anything, Rose should be more vocal, not less, in sticking up for his team. Referees actually respect coaches who do that; but know how to do so without embarrassing the officials.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Duckhunted

    It's good to have dialogue, PERIOD!

    Turning every "discussion" into a BYU/Utah bashing session is tedious and boring.

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Solomon the Wise,
    I agree with you. I am just saying basketball has changed. BYUalum just wants to here from people that agree with him. I think if BYU want's to compete, in basketball, they need to adapt to the game today. Everyone on this post blames the refs. I think BYU needs to stand up and play physical basketball.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Of course coaches try to influence refs during a game. That's part of the routine. I have no problem with that. My complaint is more with the goofy outlook of fans who seem to think that WCC reffing is a large part of BYU's overall difficulties this year. It's not. What Rose says to his players in the locker room or at practice I know not, but I suspect he doesn't tell his players they're the victims of poor or biased officials and that this "isn't how basketball is supposed to be played." When I hear that, I immedately think "this is a very casual fan talking."

    My gripe is the overall tone of many of these posts. If players and coaches looked at the game or their season the way that some of y'all do, they might as well go do something else with their time. There's no referee conspiracy theory, the game is no more or less physical than it's been for decades (watch a Big East game, for the love of Pete), and tough, smart teams figure out how to play through it.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Duckhunted

    "BYUalum just wants to here [sic] from people that agree with him."

    That's not what he said at all. He welcomed reading divergent opinions. He referenced the "biting criticism" from Ute bloggers in the context of juvenile jabs that usually have nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    TrueBlue,
    And I didn't say anything bad about BYU. His comment,it seam's to me, as I'm glad you all agree with me. Well I don't agree! There comes a time when you stop blaming the referees and start getting mad and stand up and play your game! Every star player get's double teamed. So find your teammate!!!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Duckhunted: we like comments about the topic. The Ute trolls haven't hijacked this thread. He said 'thanks' to the moderators for disallowing the sensationalistic post of the chest-puffing Ute trolls.

    Also, no one is complaining that Haws is getting a double-team. He's only getting monstered once he gets the ball. Our complaint is that he's getting held, grabbed, and pushed BEFORE he gets the ball. That isn't basketball and should be officiated correctly. Like someone said up above - basketball is a non-contact sport. Contact that affects the play should continue to be called a foul.

    Go Cougars.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    We need to be prepared to play big boy basketball. If the referees protect you from all those "Bullies" in the WCC, we are in trouble. The best thing the refs can do for us is to not call every foul. Then we might have a chance to play against big boy teams from the east. Maybe do some damage in the Tourney. The refs are just telling BYU that you are not ready to step up to the plate. The problem is not the refs.

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace,
    I'm sorry your view is still stuck with the movie Hosiers! Today's basketball is be aggressive. If you have a very passive team an aggressive team will beat you. That's just the simple facts of basketball today. Stop blaming the refs and step up your game!

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    cal cougar,
    Your comment is right on spot. BYU fans need to stop whinning about the refs. Their team needs to step up and become men!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    It is not part of the game. It is backyard judo hiding as tough playing basketball. I don't mind the close guarding, but both of these guys are getting fouled 90% of the time and the REFS think I can't determine the game by calling fouls. Then why are they even there? IF the REFS had guts they would start calling these fouls and we would see basketball players playing the game instead of baskethockey.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Basketball has become like a rodeo. If you enjoy bulldogging, tune in tonight for the game. Too bad the refs have forgotten this is a game of finesse and athletic ability. Sad.