Pondering... platitudinal or perspicacious ?
Thanks Ryan for that realistic assessment of the current state and future
prospects for the BYU basketball program. Sometimes we fans get spoiled
expecting trips to the Big Dance to come like clockwork. Losing Rogers,
Collinsworth, and Harrison, along with Hartsock and Abouo, left a big hole in
this team that was only partially filled by the return of Haws.A
year in the NIT will BYU fans appreciate more what an accomplishment it really
is to win 25 games and play in the NCAA tournament.The future looks
bright for BYU basketball.
Wicked waste of time.
It is one thing to lose to Gonzaga or St. Mary's, but San Fransisco and
USD? Those are embarrassing losses. Remember when BYU joined the WCC and all
the talk was how BYU was going to dominate a conference that plays in high
school gyms? I didn't even know about University of San Fransico until the
WCC and I lived in the Bay Area for two years. It is not time to jump ship or
fire Rose, but this season has been an embarrassment. I expected more from
Davies his Senior year.
Intelligent insight simultaneously soured with pathetic prowse. Wow, this is
fun. We could do this all day.
Bad basketball bodes bodacious brooding for this fan, even bad attempts at
alliteration. Why give up now? This team has heart, these boys can bounce back
brilliantly (hey there's one), don't forget how much improved Carlino
is and don't count him or the others out for defeating Gonzaga, and St.
Mary's, or for winning the WCC tourney...come on fans, we just gotta
believe!Positive energy to ya Cougs...I'll be watching.
We need some alliteration at the free throw line. More practice during your free
time (more sacrifice on the players) and perfect the free throws. Just like the
three point field goal in football can make a differnce in a football can make a
This season was ruined by poor officiating. Anyone who watched the games could
see how our guys were consistently being mugged with no foul calls whatsoever.
BYU's season was over long before the season started. It was over when SR
was no longer able to play. It is funny yet tragic how one swing player is the
whole difference. His presences meant 20 points a game more for the team in
total. You score better, you play defense better. Could have been a great
season, but unfortunately it was over before it began. Mark
This pretty much echoes what I've thought all along. It's a pretty
good team, but nothing more. Who is seriously calling for Rose to resign??
That's mind-boggling. If they continue on downward trajectory, then in a
couple of years I could see that. But one merely so-so year among a bunch of
very good years is hardly a failing.As for this team, the reality is
this: (1) Davies just isn't that good. He really never got better after his
sophomore year, increased stats notwithstanding. (2) Carlino is a
Jekyll-and-Hyde guy, but I'm encouraged that he's slowly becoming more
Jekyll. The jury's still out, but I still think he's an overall plus.
(3) Any team that frequently starts the likes of Brock Zylstra at the 3 spot
isn't going anywhere. And, (4): Tyler Haws is a stud, but he's not the
all-world guy we saw at times early in the season. Expectations were too high
after those games. He's merely "all-conference" quality, not
I agree with DRay. Go Cougars. Win out the season!
One of the biggest differences between this year and those of the past is the
Cougar's frequent frustrating failure from the free throw line. It must be
fixed, soon. Any calls for Rose's head should be ignored by all as it is
nothing more than the vocal minority that really doesn't believe what it is
saying. The team is young and has a lot of talent coming along. BYU is in a
great position and will be just fine moving forward. I'll get frustrated if
this happens two or three years in a row, which I certainly do not expect. True
San Franciso and San Diego were the only unexpected loses. We should have beat
St Mary's but luck was not on our side. The loss to San Franciso at home
with a double digit lead is the only one that makes me cringe.I
can't believe someone would even think that Rose isn't the guy for the
program. He will end up as the winningest coach in BYU history. If he leaves,
we could also lose several of our key recruits.The problem is
balance this year. Everyone has figured out that if you double team Davies and
Haws and put someone on Carlino you shut down the offense. We need a shooting
guard who can shoot. Zylstra is so inconsistent, I can't even call him
streaky. He has one good game every 5 or 6 outings. Next year, I'm hoping
we'll see Collinsworth at the 3, and Haws at the SG position. Even this
year, I'd still like to see Ambrosino at the 3 and Haws at the 2. And
Austin needs to figure out how to bang around with the bigs. At 6 11, we
don't need his 17 foot fade away. Take it to the hoop!
good article. USF also beat St. John's this year by double digits and st.
John's is a bubble team. San Diego lost by one or two possessions to
Gonzaga which is a top-10 team. If Rogers and Chris Collinsworth were healthy
BYU would be easily on the other side of the bubble. Its slightly disappointing
to be in the WCC after the MWC has done so well this year but BYU should try to
make the best of it and work on upgrading the non-conference schedule.
I noticed the story stayed away from how many wins BYU has in the NCAA
tournament for all those appearances. If just being one of the 64, now 66 teams
that get a bracket spot is success then cougar fans are happy.
I wouldn't call this a disappointing season.
Unfortunately, next year's team is unlikely to do much either. The Lone
Peak center will NOT be more effective than Davies. The Cougars lack an inside
presence and get pushed around by bigger OR more athletic teams on the
boards.Haws and COllinsworth should be solid. Hopefully, Carlino
and Winder will improve. Otherwise, I see BYU being vulnerable once again
inside. Pope has not done much to develop BYU's bigs. Rose has not
effectively installed a defense that can guard the three-point line.Was I disappointed with this year's team? Dang straight! Was I
surprised? Not at all. Rose made poor decisions about Delgado,
Augustino, and Harrison this year. Hopefully, he will find some "bigs"
that can plug some holes next year.
Who's calling for coach Rose's resignation? That's just dumb.
If He had losing seasons 2-3 years in a row, then maybe, but he's doing
great. Keep it up Coach Rose, don't listen to the haters!
Mildred is right. Horrible ref calls ruined it.
Are you kidding me....someone calling for Coach Rose's termination?
Really, if so send him up to the U as a co-coach...we are good at creating such
roles :) Coach Rose is awesome!!
It's tru, LP's center wont do much better next year bc he will beonly
be a true freshman, but, if carlino progresees, haws progresses,Austin
progresses and gets sstronger this time (with no injury), and collinsworth plays
as well righot off the mission as Haws then this team might be a lot better.
Mika, from Lone Peak isn't going to be anywhere near where Davies will
leave off, but lets not forget that Kafusi will have a year under his belt and
hopefully begin to develop. I still think he should stick to football only, but
baring an injury, I think you'll see a steady dose of him next year in the
Honestly, I don't care whether BYU makes the NCAA tournament or not, so
what if they do, so what if they don't? What I want to see is good
basketball. I am appalled that Brandon Davies a D-1 scholarship holder, and a
senior--still is an awful basketball player, he can't shoot, he can't
make free throws (can't even draw iron sometimes), commits two early,
stupid fouls in most games and spends the game on the bench--hurting the
team.Zylstra is also a senior and was recruited for his three point
shooting, but Zylstra can't hit the broad side of a barn--and he's a
senior on a D-1 scholarship.Matt Carlino has a lot of talent but his
shooting percentage is in the toilet. Even a decent high school players knows
better than to just huck up bad shot after bad shot. And he's a 3pt shooter
as well--so why can't he make any?
Who said Dave Rose need to resign? Not going to happen and he is here to stay.
4th Lone Peak player? I see Nick Emery, Mika and T.J. Haws and who is the fourth
one Tyler Haws already playing.Sure it was no fun losing to those
two SD and SF. So what and keep on trying, NCAA, NIT or nothing but I can see
the 2nd will be realistic. St. Mary was a killer!
Mika is better than Davies right now. Davies is awful. I do think Coach Rose
deserves some of the blame here. Good coaching can turn a bad player into a good
player, a good player into a great player, a lousy free throw shooter into a
good free throw shooter. Rose has had Davies for four full years, why does he
still shoot free throws like a spastic? One year of coaching would change it.
Free throws are easy to make, easy, shooting airballs is inexcusable.
@cougarcolby- I agree, but Mika has a lot of upside and after his mission I
expect him to help, emery, Haws, Nixon, *Dastrup to be a top 10 team by teh time
they are juniors and seniors.Mika already play above teh rim better than Davies
does and he just turned 18 last month. He's also coming in a lot stronger
than davies did his freshman year.
> Remember when BYU joined the WCC and all the talk was how BYU was going to
dominate a conference that plays in high school gyms?No. The only
time I hear mention of that is when people (the typical
"I-need-something-to-bash, low self-esteem types) now claim that all the
talk was about that. What the talk was actually all about was how it was going
to be a great and competitive basketball conference. Maybe a few ignoramuses
claimed that BYU was going to dominate, but they're the same ignoramuses
that are calling for Coach Rose to be fired (which is even more asinine than
calling for Coach Mendenhall to be fired).Nobody who actually
watches the sport believed that BYU would dominate the WCC. Be competitive and
typically be in the top three or four vying for the conference championship?
Obviously. But no serious BYU basketball fan thought that BYU would take over
"Tyler Haws is a stud, but he's not the all-world guy we saw at times
early in the season. Expectations were too high after those games. He's
merely "all-conference" quality, not "all-American."I'm thinking Haws is starting to wear down. He is a year removed from a
mission and just doesn't quite have the legs to take him through a hole
season. Especially when he is the main focus of the opponent's defense.And I said it before, and I'll say it again: those who are calling
for more playing time for Ambrosino need to rethink that position. When he was
in the game against San Diego, he looked completely lost on defense. Johnny Dee
had a ridiculously wide open look because Ambrosino didn't get over to
cover him. It was like his feet were glued to the ground. Maybe he'll be
better next year, but right now he deserves his spot towards the end of the
The truth of this argument is, BYU is a TERRIBLE fit for the WCC, which is why
they have been on the short end of less than stellar officiating the past two
years. While I hate the idea as much as the next person, if BYU can't
secure a slot in an expanding Big 12, then they should plan on a return to the
MWC, the sooner the better.
The Lone Peak trio sounds exciting, but they won't be at BYU for years. I
see huge guys at Gonzaga and St Mary's. Our guys look too light and
can't bang. Seems like Coach needs to find some beef who can hoop right
away.Oh wait, those guys are 1 and done and they don't come to
a place like BYU.So how to get some good Catholic kids in Provo
instead of all those little Catholic Schools?
There is no leadership on the floor. None of the players have stepped up to
earn the respect of the team and don the cap of leader, take charge man, Mr.
Dependable. If someone would step up and play with half the heart of some of
our competition in the WCC, we would have a very good team. But they play like
a bunch of gym rats who are not a team.Hope to see some improvement
there...Coaches? That's also part of YOUR job.
Complaining about the officiating is just goofy. Face it fellow BYU fans...this
team is just mediocre. That's OK....we've had a great run and
we'll have another one in a few years when the Lone Peak boys return from
their missions. In the mean time, follow Duke and enjoy the "one that got
dumprake:"...Mika is better than Davies right now...". gamer:"...Mika already play above teh rim better than
Davies...". Mika and Brandon KNOW that Brandon would destroy
Mika.Mika is a teenager who has spent one year beating-on other teenagers.
Wow! After reading these comments it is clear why they call it "Happy
Valley."Alliteration aside, this team has amazingly poor
basketball fundamentals and as the season has progressed, the team has not.One does have to question the ability of the coaching staff when the
mistakes that were being made at the beginning of the season are still being
made in game 24.I would think any post-season tournament would be a
waste of time as this team would be "One and done."
Coach Rose is a great person and a great coach. We are lucky to have him.
He's not happy with this season, but let us not give up yet.
BYU fans should be happy. Most schools would be happy to have BYU's record
Carlino is not a point guard. He should be a shooting guard. That's my
opinion. He just doesn't get it. Davies is a decent player but not great.
If you counted his bad shots namely falling down with three guys on him as
turnovers, his turnover ratio would be amazingly high. Haws is a good player
but teams maul him to the point of ridiculous. The rest of the team is
disappointing. Rogers and Collinsworth would have helped a lot but you still
need a solid point guard which we don't have. I can't see next year
being much better. The future looks bright if these kids are at the Y at the
same time. If the two big freshman go on missions after next year then what.
I'll still have season tickets and cheer them on. I think they give a
solid effort each night. They just aren't good enough athletes. By the way
San Francisco and San Diego aren't bad teams. They nearly beat Gonzaga.
Kinda hard to complain about playing in the lowly WCC when you can't beat
their bottom feeders, eh?At least one of the WCC teams is highly
ranked nationally, not that it helps the rest of the teams' status in the
eyes of the nation. It should, but doesn't.This year looks to
be a dud, sans sudden heroism in the remaining games. But the years to come look
brighter.Love to see the Cougars play spoiler the rest of the way.
Most schools could only hope for a down year that is so good. Agree with the
assessment of Davies, he is not a pro prospect. As much as I am hoping for an
upset tournament championship I am also preparing myself for not hitting 20
wins. We could lose at LM and in the first round of the tourney.
I didn't like the article at all. It talks about how so many teams
don't make the Big Dance perennially. But the fact is, that THIS team had
all the talent and ability to make it and simply underperformed. That's a
far cry from having a rebuilding year. This team should have made it and had
all the components it needed to be there. They just have not improved as the
season progressed. They got worse. Perhaps they did not bring heart and hard
work to practices. Perhaps the practices were not as focused as they should
have been. Perhaps the game plan needs tweaking. Perhaps Dave Rose needs to
improve his motivational skills. Perhaps free throw practice is needed.
Perhaps the author of this article should spend ink on what happened. The fans
are frustrated, and rightly so. It's not just because "they cannot be
expected to make it every year". They should have made it to the Big Dance
and didn't. Why not?
Please stop with the predictions about top-ten rankings and such when all the
Lone Peak guys are back from missions. We have no idea how that will play out.
Don't misunderstand . . I like the recruiting class, and I would love for
the best-case scenario to play out, but you can't accurately project how
these guys will come together in a few years. For now we'll live on the
fantasy that hopefully will come at least partially true.And as for
Mika vs. Davies, give me a break. I'm betting the people making those
comparisons have never even seen Mika play and couldn't pick him out of a
Got tickets to see BYU play Utah State which is a natural rivalry. BYU needs
some big post players. Lone Peak players are only a small part of the solution.
BYU needs wide bodies and skilled post players.My take is that both Utah and
Utah State are able to recruit better big men and this is unacceptable. Also the
WCC is just an awful fit and I don't even like to see the games. MWC is
geographical and talent and interest a much better fit.Really getting excited
about a fun BYU team and then see them implode has been hard to take.
I agree with Caleb in NY. We lost a lot of talent at the beginning of the year
due to injury and transfers. Hard to replace that. Also, Davies has been highly
overrated as well and can not carry this team inside. The season is not lost yet
but a slightly down year is no reason to call for Dave Rose's job.
Rediculous! Rose will continue to rock far into BYU's future.
If I was a byu fan I would find this aricle and comments depressing. Typical
excuses,blaming it on the refs, never giving their opponents any credit,looking
to the past for confort. Come On Man! byu needs to get off it's high horse
and go back to the MWC. Independence and the WCC is going to be their downfall.
LOL at anyone calling for Coach Rose's termination. He's one of the
best coaches in the country and a down year probably results in 20 wins. Mildred and Ernest, you guys get overexcited and overhype
everything...and then make excuses for losses. I'm guessing you're
probably Ute fans, much like Chris B who is so frustrated when BYU comes up
short he lashes out at them at every opportunity...
Two reasons for BYU being down a bit this year: Brock Zysltra is not a
legitimate major college starter and Brandon Davies the leader of the team is
soft, soft, soft. BYU is very likely to have a coach with the basketball jones
and integrity of Rose.
From a Utah fan, BYU fans must know that you guys will be just fine. Seriously,
coach Rose is a fantastic coach, and you guys seemed to be loading up on future
talent. A program does not break on one "bad" season, and bad is very
subjective. I'm excited that my team is getting better, and hopefully our
games with you guys will continue to be exciting, and I hope our team can beat
you, haha. But seriously, good luck to BYU, and don't be too down on this
Jordan,Thanks for the voice of sound reasoning!
I think the loss of Dave Rice's Xs and Os talent is a major problem for the
Cougars. Seeing Terry Nashif taking the lead during time outs does not inspire
great confidence in me.
Really? 49 comments and nobody noticed?While I appreciated the
alliterative assessments in plenty of peoples' posts, I am appalled at the
absence of grammatical goodness.The title misuses the word
"alliterate." Alliterate is a verb, not an adjective. Many of you did,
indeed, alliterate in your posts. The headline should have read, "An
alliterative look at BYU basketball's disappointing 2013 season".