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BYU basketball: Cougars can't overcome double-digit deficit this time, fall at San Diego

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  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    To go into yet another high school size gym with less than a sell out crowd and lose to a second tier team just hollers that the Cougs just don't have a competitive team. They play pretty well at home, but on the road, they just don't have it.

    The only realistic chance they have for an NCAA berth is to win the WCC tournament.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    How is that anyone with a cell phone practically anywhere in the world can take a photo and send it almost anywhere within seconds and newspapers in Utah run photos of events that occurred weeks or months ago?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:41 a.m.

    "Five reasons BYU will make the NCAA tournament

    5. BYU avoids bad losses" Debunked.

    "4. BYU will end St. Mary’s streak" According to what evidence? Regardless, how much would beating a bubble team help?

    "3. BYU is excellent in February" Debunked.

    "2. The Cougars have a week to prepare for Gonzaga" But not gain players that can match up with Gonzaga.

    "1. Tyler Haws will lead the Cougars to the tournament" Again, according to what evidence? I'd need to see him lead them past a tournament-quality team before I'd entertain the thought of him leading them to the tournament.

    Sorry, Mr. Vincent, your little piece this afternoon was a tad off.

    In all seriousness, this definitely wasn't a game I expected the Cougars to lose, but I'm not really surprised by it, either. They've had too many close wins against bad teams to expect their fortunes to continue. I'm sure the fans will be happy to hopefully have at least one more home game after the conference tourney, though.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:03 a.m.

    I like Brandon Davies... I think he is a super kid with good solid values and a pretty good basketball player when he's not shooting free throws...

    I like Dave Rose... A good guy and a solid coach with a good record to prove it... But his teams often stink at shooting free throws...

    Free Throws for BYU Basketball is like Place Kicking for BYU Football... It almost seems like little to no time is spent recruiting it, practicing it, or coaching it (The BYU bigs all have horrible technique... They don't bend their knees, they fall away while they are shooting it, they don't balance themselves, and they seem to almost invision a miss before they shoot)... Maybe BYU should hire a free throw specialist for Basketball and a Kicking Expert for Football and put them on their staffs... How many more games would we win if the team could routinely execute those skills? Answer: A great deal more...

    Davies is going to get fouled alot just by virtue of being a "back to the basket" player... Probably an average of 10 shots a game... Wouldn't it be great if he could sink 7 or 8 of them?

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:13 a.m.

    Little Dance...

    Or maybe...Mini Dance...

    Not Big Dance...

  • sports4life1 OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 2:26 a.m.

    Sorry to hear about your loss BYU. It must be really tough Competing in such a bad conference where pretty much the WCC is so poor that if you lose to anybody other that Saint Mary and Gonzaga your tournament hopes pretty much die. Very nice Work with the move from the Mountain West to the WCC.

  • Legal Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    wer... "second tier team" really? Did you read the part where they almost beat Gonzaga?? What does the size of the gym have to do with anything??
    Those gyms are at least full.
    They are above .500. No whining, they admitted SD is a good team.
    I'm learning to be patient. GO UTES!!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 8, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    I know there's nothing easier than playing armchair coach, but I don't understand Rose's decision to play Zylstra so much and sit Sharp so much. To call Zylsta a streaky shooter is a huge overstatement. I'm not sure he makes enough shots to be called a streaky shooter. I cringe every time he puts the ball up. Cusick doesn't look as good as he was last year. Winder's good on defense, but nothing on offense. And this is from our "shooting" guard. I'm really wishing DeMarcus Harrison could have stayed to fill the void. Hopefully it will be better next year with Collinsworth at the 3 spot and Haws at the 2.

    Why don't we play Delgado a little more? He adds a spark. And I'm a huge Kaufusi fan, but I don't understand why we play him before Ambrosino when we need offense.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Feb. 8, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    I've lowered my sights to the NIT. I think the Cougars need to fight for slot there. The NCAA Tournament just disappeared to them.

  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    The way this team is playing not only is the NCAA tournament clearly beyond their reach but they may not even get an NIT bid. Com'on guys get some intensity. Get a little mean.

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    I think Zylstra is the Nelson of the basketball team. Winder needs more minutes and Carlino needs a head slap when he plays like he did last night. NIT is the best BYU can hope for and if they ply like last night even then its a one and done.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    Such joy from Utes when BYU loses a game! Is it jealousy or second hand revenge knowing it has been almost a decade since the Utes beat BYU in basketball?

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    The first ten minutes was great, then they couldn't do diddly right from then on. Somehow it seemed they rushed things too much and often lost their way and couldn't find the basket, not even from the f/t line. Carlino was again inconsistent at best, and Zylstra and Sharpe were non existent for some reason. You can't expect to ride on the shoulders of only two players night in and night out, Davis and Haws. Heck, even they were not at their best either, especially from the f/t line. They still could've won if they hadn't left too many points on the floor. Seems like they really need to work hard on their free throws and 3 point shots. They missed way too many it was pitiful to watch. Here's hoping they'll work hard to improve on those. As for an NCAA bid, well, not sure if even a miracle can help us at this point. But, there's always the NIT.

    Go Cougars!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    Santa Clara is almost out of the top 100( they're currently 98).

    One more loss from them and you won't have a single top 100 RPI win ALL YEAR.

    Meanwhile, big brother Utah will have 3.

    LOL!

    I love being good enough to be invited to a real conference!

    Being a wanted school is so much better than being an unwanted school.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    First bad loss of the season for Dave Rose.

    This BYU team has been playing with fire for weeks, falling behind lesser teams and then clawing their way back to win close games, and it finally caught up with them against a team playing with a lot of confidence at home.

    As most fans have suspected since December, BYU has some good players - Davies, Haws and Carlino - but they're all very inconsistent, showing flashes of brilliance at times, but not being able to sustain it. A Top 100 RPI, 20 to 25 win, bubble team, with a chance to make the NCAA tournament, but little chance to do much after they got there.

    Last night, that bubble burst, and BYU is now NIT bound unless they pull a semi-miracle and win the WCC tourney.

    Likely scenario going forward,

    22-9 regular season, with a win in the WCC tourney and 2 wins in the NIT to finish 25-11.

    Next year BYU will be better with the return of Kyle Collinsworth, the addition of Eric Myca, and a more experienced and mature Haws, Carlino, and Sharp as BYU's starting five.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Gonzaga almost lost to the same team. The road games in the WCC are certainly no gimmies. Its almost looking like BYU is going to have to beat the Zags to get a NCAA berth. Thats a tall task, but certainly do-able in Provo.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    @Blue Coug

    Thats a tough loss for sure. Still a lot of game to go though. Like I said, a win against Gonzaga would be huge. A win against St. Marys is critical. Good luck the rest of the way and take care Guy!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Thanks for the well wishes, but I don't see BYU making the NCAA tourney this season. BYU has enough talent to do so, if Haws, Carlino and Davies are hitting on all cylinders, but the rest of the team is spotty at best. Zylstra, Sharp and Winder were no shows last night.

    Good luck to the Utes on rebuilding their program.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    lol. This is kind of like the football team loosing to San Jose State.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Observations:

    BYU fans better get ready for a potential loss at Loyola Marymount.

    Surprising that the cougars missed so many free throws last night. Especially Haws.

    Been to the San Diego arena, it is not a high school sized facility, about the same size as Suu's facility, very nice.

    Ute "fans" on here - glad you can find a forum to try and make yourself feel better, but the points are getting old.

    Checked ESPN conversations during Ute game yesterday-just out of curiosity. It was funny to see the acerbic, defensive comments by the Ute fans in that forum also, it is really rare to see comments like that on any other discussion board during games from other schools. It seems that the Utes are taking the role of the Wyoming of the Pac 12.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    The refs are always so bad against us in all these losses. San Diego got all the good calls and we got all the bad calls.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    ekute

    "This is kind of like the football team loosing to San Jose State."

    LOL!

    Not even close; San Jose State was a Top 25 team.

    This is more like Washington losing to Utah.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    @wer

    Gotta laugh at our little friends on the hill who cluelessly claim that the entire WCC plays in high school gyms.

    The truth is Gonzaga and San Diego both have small, but beautiful arenas, and almost all of the schools in WCC are located in some of the most beautiful and picturesque sites anywhere on the west coast.

    Besides, gym or arena size is completely irrelevant with regards to the quality of the team playing in that facility.

  • duck Saint George, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    It's all been said befor. BYU would have won if they'd just made free throws and remembered the basics: (1) Take care of the ball; (2) Think before inbounding the ball, especially under their opponent's basket (the Gonzaga game had a couple of miscues as well); (3) Don't force shots that aren't there (too many out-of-contro-shots); and (4) watch out from behind after getting break-aways.

    I couldn't believe the way they handed the ball to S.D. on basic inbound plays at the start of the game and allowed San Diego to catch up. That was more like high school play.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    This isn't always a team...they just seem to break down and resort to being individuals a lot of the time.. When Haws gets pressed hard by a double that he can't break apart then Carlino tries to force way too many off balanced shots. Last night they should have slowed the pace and worked the shot more than they did. Carlino looked out of control most of the game and as it turned out theTor's played the smarter game.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Very frustrating game, to say the least. Missed free throws killed us, as did yet another MIA siting of Zylstra. Also, for you Happy Valley Cougs Fans that are likely up more on the stats than I am from afar, when is the last game, undoubtedly a win, when are Big 3, if you can call them that (Davies, Haws & Carlino) played a consistent game? I think that's been our biggest problem. In any given game, 1 or 2 will be solid-- but not all 3. We need each of them! Granted, this was the first real poor WCC Conf. game for Carlino, but it couldn't have come at a worst time. This was a very winable game, but 9 pts and 5 TO's aren't going to cut-it.

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Carlino is 6'2", Chris is Anderson is 5'7", 7", seven SEVEN INCHES difference. Can't we at least try to post up such a small player when San Diego is in a man defense? Surely Carlino could have scored a couple of baskets in the paint, and forced them into a zone.

    Also, I wish Davies would stop punk faking everytime he gets the ball. Last night was maybe the second time its worked all season.

  • JonJ Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Why is Zylstra getting so much playing time? Nice kid, but no upside. He's a liability on defense, and rarely does anything offensively. When he does score it's been against lower level teams. He looks out of control and uncordinated when putting the ball on the floor, and is not athletic enough to hang with the big boys.

    There has not been much to complain about Rose's coaching over the years, but why is Zylstra playing 28 minutes a game? With this team, Winder and Delgado should be getting increased minutes. At least they bring a spark defensively.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    "Besides, gym or arena size is completely irrelevant with regards to the quality of the team playing in that facility." - see Huntsman Center

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    Dave Rose is doing a fantastic job at BYU. Even in a rebuilding season, he still produced a #55 RPI, 20+ win, NCAA bubble team, that is a lock for the NIT, if the Cougars don't unexpectedly slip into the Big Dance with a WCC tournament run.

    Eight consecutive 20+ win seasons with 6 NCAA and 2 NIT berths is something any coach and fan base should feel proud of.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Not impressed with this team this year, yeah they have fought back, but they are never on top of it in the first half, always risking this type of loss. They have not been able to beat the top teams in the conference, and thus, even if we were still in the MT West, we would be a middle tier team this year.

    Too many lapses with Carlino, he can be good, sometimes very good, but often terrible, out of control and undependable. Davies shows up when convenient, same with Zylstra...who was a no show last night. This team lacks the skills and athleticism of a championship team. Not thrilled with the lack of leadership of our point guards. Tyler Haws is sometimes a great free-throw shooter, but lately, he misses a lot.

    Hoping next year is much better, this year, nothing great going to happen. Ho-hum.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    No dishonor in losing to the Aztecs. They are in the top 20.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Rockwell is right. Loosing to Utah in football is bad.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    Hello NIT!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    @Legal
    "second tier team" really? Did you read the part where they almost beat Gonzaga??"

    Utah almost beat then #3Arizona and Utah's not even a second tier team. They're more like 3rd tier.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @Mildred in Fillmore
    "No dishonor in losing to the Aztecs. They are in the top 20."

    Um... about that...

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Difference in the game in Provo and the game in San Diego

    Zilstra
    at BYU - 10 points on 4 for 8 shooting, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals in 29 minutes
    at SDU - 0 points on 0 for 7 shooting, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 steals in 28 minutes

    It's hard to win a road game when one of your senior starters does a complete disappearing act.

    I like Brock as a person, but he's been a big disappointment this year, only averaging 6.6 ppg. In BYU's 7 losses, Zilstra has scored 10, 10, 8, 2, 6, 6, and 0 points.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    This isn't a March Madness worthy team. They're OK - but they're a year away from being a great team.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    "It seems that the Utes are taking the role of the Wyoming of the Pac 12."

    No, they are taking the role of TCU. Always at the very, very bottom. Wyoming often surprised and has a good run. TCU...always at the very bottom.

    I really wasn't sure they'd beat SD. They turned it on vs. Gonzaga and BYU, but otherwise hasn't been too stellar. Should have been a W for BYU, but they weren't the better team. BYU is actually top 25 in many categories if you can believe it, including points scored. They are a good team, but need to get it together on the road.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    I love that picture of Carlino. There is look in his eyes that says he's going to score no matter what. He probably dribbled into someone and fell down as he turned over. BYU has no half court offense. I get frustrated watching Davies force shots when he doesn't have one. They could easily lose three more. San Francisco isn't a bad team. I think we can win because it is home. The rest of the schedule I expect two losses and maybe three. I hope I'm wrong.
    Go Cougars

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Worst collective performance for an entire game this season. BYU is definitely having a Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde kind of year. One game they can look like world beaters, the next they look like Utah.

    The final turnover when Carlino and Haws ran into each other was a really fitting end to the game, since it was a microcosm of the game itself: BYU just flat out beat themselves. I dunno if their heads weren't in it or what, but when you've got Carlino dribbling it off his foot out of bounds, Zylstra throwing a ball into the back of the backboard when he's trying to save it from going out of bounds, Austin almost having a back-court violation for not knowing where he was on the court, and 11 missed FT's, it seems like something was up.

    Credit to San Diego, they played the way they had to to win, but they were going to need a lot of help from BYU to pull off the upset and the Cougs gave it to them.

    Ah well. The NIT's a solid tournament and BYU's a young team. Part of the growing process.

    Go Cougars!

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    There just a good team, cmon guys there a 500 team, there's no excuse to lose too someone like that. The fact that you had so many lapses should tell you you weren't ready to play, and you thought you'd win by showing up. But your not good enough to win by showing up. That game just cost you a spot in the tournament, you'll be playing in the NIT now. This team has too much talent to be this inconsistant, now that they have 3 good scorers these games shouldn't be happening anymore. Losing to San Diego? Cmon!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    @ Legal

    The things is, the gyms aren't full...

    @ Tilka

    SD's gym is the exact same size as Dixie St.'s and Salt Lake Community College's. Better than a high school gym, but not one that many big-time D-1 programs aspire to play in. Honestly, I think BYU deserves better. They don't belong in the WCC, despite this recent loss.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    We need a big desperately. I watched the first half and their posts creamed us. We don't need 6 9 guys who work really hard we need seven footers. We need someone who could just be a defensive threat and could score if they have to. Eric mika is 6 10 . That's pretty good, but I hope he grows a little bit. I would be fine though if we had like 3 69 people. Kyle collinsworth could grow then there is Austin and mika and worthington. That will be awesome. We have a backcourt, but we need at least a two man front court

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 8, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    I wonder where the U would be if they played in the WCC??? I mean, based on their home court losses to Northridge and the mighty Sacramento State Hornets I am thinking they would be in about the same position as they are in the PAC... Competing for the 9th seed in a in a league of 10 teams would be my guess.

    Oh, and Chris B, had you been able to beat the WCC 3rd seed (BYU) this year, you would have had 4 top RPI 100 wins... But, of course you didn't, again... What is that , 7 or 8 years since y'all have beaten the Cougs... Wait, I looked it up. You had an OT winin SLC 4 years ago but your record is 1-11 for the last 7 years...

    I guess embarrassment is not an issue for you though, even with that horrible record you and your fellow U friends come on the BYU threads and continue to blog... I guess in the land of red and white there is no shame...

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    Yeah, so this years team isn't an NCAA tournament team, they still will win at least 20 games and will have a solid foundation for the next year. The law of averages worked out not in favor of the Y on this game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Come on Cougs, the Zags need you to win to help there SOS!