To go into yet another high school size gym with less than a sell out crowd and
lose to a second tier team just hollers that the Cougs just don't have a
competitive team. They play pretty well at home, but on the road, they just
don't have it.The only realistic chance they have for an NCAA
berth is to win the WCC tournament.
How is that anyone with a cell phone practically anywhere in the world can take
a photo and send it almost anywhere within seconds and newspapers in Utah run
photos of events that occurred weeks or months ago?
"Five reasons BYU will make the NCAA tournament5. BYU avoids bad
losses" Debunked."4. BYU will end St. Mary’s
streak" According to what evidence? Regardless, how much would beating a
bubble team help?"3. BYU is excellent in February"
Debunked."2. The Cougars have a week to prepare for Gonzaga"
But not gain players that can match up with Gonzaga."1. Tyler
Haws will lead the Cougars to the tournament" Again, according to what
evidence? I'd need to see him lead them past a tournament-quality team
before I'd entertain the thought of him leading them to the tournament.Sorry, Mr. Vincent, your little piece this afternoon was a tad off.In all seriousness, this definitely wasn't a game I expected the
Cougars to lose, but I'm not really surprised by it, either. They've
had too many close wins against bad teams to expect their fortunes to continue.
I'm sure the fans will be happy to hopefully have at least one more home
game after the conference tourney, though.
I like Brandon Davies... I think he is a super kid with good solid values and a
pretty good basketball player when he's not shooting free throws...I like Dave Rose... A good guy and a solid coach with a good record to
prove it... But his teams often stink at shooting free throws...Free
Throws for BYU Basketball is like Place Kicking for BYU Football... It almost
seems like little to no time is spent recruiting it, practicing it, or coaching
it (The BYU bigs all have horrible technique... They don't bend their
knees, they fall away while they are shooting it, they don't balance
themselves, and they seem to almost invision a miss before they shoot)... Maybe
BYU should hire a free throw specialist for Basketball and a Kicking Expert for
Football and put them on their staffs... How many more games would we win if the
team could routinely execute those skills? Answer: A great deal more...Davies is going to get fouled alot just by virtue of being a "back to the
basket" player... Probably an average of 10 shots a game... Wouldn't it
be great if he could sink 7 or 8 of them?
Little Dance...Or maybe...Mini Dance...Not Big Dance...
Sorry to hear about your loss BYU. It must be really tough Competing in such a
bad conference where pretty much the WCC is so poor that if you lose to anybody
other that Saint Mary and Gonzaga your tournament hopes pretty much die. Very
nice Work with the move from the Mountain West to the WCC.
wer... "second tier team" really? Did you read the part where they
almost beat Gonzaga?? What does the size of the gym have to do with
anything??Those gyms are at least full.They are above .500. No
whining, they admitted SD is a good team.I'm learning to be patient.
I know there's nothing easier than playing armchair coach, but I don't
understand Rose's decision to play Zylstra so much and sit Sharp so much.
To call Zylsta a streaky shooter is a huge overstatement. I'm not sure he
makes enough shots to be called a streaky shooter. I cringe every time he puts
the ball up. Cusick doesn't look as good as he was last year.
Winder's good on defense, but nothing on offense. And this is from our
"shooting" guard. I'm really wishing DeMarcus Harrison could have
stayed to fill the void. Hopefully it will be better next year with
Collinsworth at the 3 spot and Haws at the 2. Why don't we play
Delgado a little more? He adds a spark. And I'm a huge Kaufusi fan, but I
don't understand why we play him before Ambrosino when we need offense.
I've lowered my sights to the NIT. I think the Cougars need to fight for
slot there. The NCAA Tournament just disappeared to them.
The way this team is playing not only is the NCAA tournament clearly beyond
their reach but they may not even get an NIT bid. Com'on guys get some
intensity. Get a little mean.
I think Zylstra is the Nelson of the basketball team. Winder needs more minutes
and Carlino needs a head slap when he plays like he did last night. NIT is the
best BYU can hope for and if they ply like last night even then its a one and
Such joy from Utes when BYU loses a game! Is it jealousy or second hand revenge
knowing it has been almost a decade since the Utes beat BYU in basketball?
The first ten minutes was great, then they couldn't do diddly right from
then on. Somehow it seemed they rushed things too much and often lost their way
and couldn't find the basket, not even from the f/t line. Carlino was
again inconsistent at best, and Zylstra and Sharpe were non existent for some
reason. You can't expect to ride on the shoulders of only two players
night in and night out, Davis and Haws. Heck, even they were not at their best
either, especially from the f/t line. They still could've won if they
hadn't left too many points on the floor. Seems like they really need to
work hard on their free throws and 3 point shots. They missed way too many it
was pitiful to watch. Here's hoping they'll work hard to improve on
those. As for an NCAA bid, well, not sure if even a miracle can help us at this
point. But, there's always the NIT.Go Cougars!
Santa Clara is almost out of the top 100( they're currently 98).One more loss from them and you won't have a single top 100 RPI win ALL
YEAR.Meanwhile, big brother Utah will have 3.LOL!I love being good enough to be invited to a real conference!Being a wanted school is so much better than being an unwanted school.
First bad loss of the season for Dave Rose.This BYU team has been
playing with fire for weeks, falling behind lesser teams and then clawing their
way back to win close games, and it finally caught up with them against a team
playing with a lot of confidence at home.As most fans have suspected
since December, BYU has some good players - Davies, Haws and Carlino - but
they're all very inconsistent, showing flashes of brilliance at times, but
not being able to sustain it. A Top 100 RPI, 20 to 25 win, bubble team, with a
chance to make the NCAA tournament, but little chance to do much after they got
there.Last night, that bubble burst, and BYU is now NIT bound unless
they pull a semi-miracle and win the WCC tourney.Likely scenario
going forward,22-9 regular season, with a win in the WCC tourney and
2 wins in the NIT to finish 25-11.Next year BYU will be better with
the return of Kyle Collinsworth, the addition of Eric Myca, and a more
experienced and mature Haws, Carlino, and Sharp as BYU's starting five.
Gonzaga almost lost to the same team. The road games in the WCC are certainly no
gimmies. Its almost looking like BYU is going to have to beat the Zags to get a
NCAA berth. Thats a tall task, but certainly do-able in Provo.
@Blue CougThats a tough loss for sure. Still a lot of game to go
though. Like I said, a win against Gonzaga would be huge. A win against St.
Marys is critical. Good luck the rest of the way and take care Guy!
Spokane UteThanks for the well wishes, but I don't see BYU
making the NCAA tourney this season. BYU has enough talent to do so, if Haws,
Carlino and Davies are hitting on all cylinders, but the rest of the team is
spotty at best. Zylstra, Sharp and Winder were no shows last night.Good luck to the Utes on rebuilding their program.
lol. This is kind of like the football team loosing to San Jose State.
Observations:BYU fans better get ready for a potential loss at
Loyola Marymount.Surprising that the cougars missed so many free
throws last night. Especially Haws.Been to the San Diego arena, it
is not a high school sized facility, about the same size as Suu's facility,
very nice. Ute "fans" on here - glad you can find a forum
to try and make yourself feel better, but the points are getting old.Checked ESPN conversations during Ute game yesterday-just out of curiosity.
It was funny to see the acerbic, defensive comments by the Ute fans in that
forum also, it is really rare to see comments like that on any other discussion
board during games from other schools. It seems that the Utes are taking the
role of the Wyoming of the Pac 12.
The refs are always so bad against us in all these losses. San Diego got all the
good calls and we got all the bad calls.
ekute"This is kind of like the football team loosing to San Jose
State."LOL!Not even close; San Jose State was a Top
25 team.This is more like Washington losing to Utah.
@werGotta laugh at our little friends on the hill who cluelessly
claim that the entire WCC plays in high school gyms.The truth is
Gonzaga and San Diego both have small, but beautiful arenas, and almost all of
the schools in WCC are located in some of the most beautiful and picturesque
sites anywhere on the west coast.Besides, gym or arena size is
completely irrelevant with regards to the quality of the team playing in that
It's all been said befor. BYU would have won if they'd just made free
throws and remembered the basics: (1) Take care of the ball; (2) Think before
inbounding the ball, especially under their opponent's basket (the Gonzaga
game had a couple of miscues as well); (3) Don't force shots that
aren't there (too many out-of-contro-shots); and (4) watch out from behind
after getting break-aways.I couldn't believe the way they
handed the ball to S.D. on basic inbound plays at the start of the game and
allowed San Diego to catch up. That was more like high school play.
This isn't always a team...they just seem to break down and resort to being
individuals a lot of the time.. When Haws gets pressed hard by a double that he
can't break apart then Carlino tries to force way too many off balanced
shots. Last night they should have slowed the pace and worked the shot more
than they did. Carlino looked out of control most of the game and as it turned
out theTor's played the smarter game.
Very frustrating game, to say the least. Missed free throws killed us, as did
yet another MIA siting of Zylstra. Also, for you Happy Valley Cougs Fans that
are likely up more on the stats than I am from afar, when is the last game,
undoubtedly a win, when are Big 3, if you can call them that (Davies, Haws &
Carlino) played a consistent game? I think that's been our biggest problem.
In any given game, 1 or 2 will be solid-- but not all 3. We need each of them!
Granted, this was the first real poor WCC Conf. game for Carlino, but it
couldn't have come at a worst time. This was a very winable game, but 9 pts
and 5 TO's aren't going to cut-it.
Carlino is 6'2", Chris is Anderson is 5'7", 7", seven
SEVEN INCHES difference. Can't we at least try to post up such a small
player when San Diego is in a man defense? Surely Carlino could have scored a
couple of baskets in the paint, and forced them into a zone. Also,
I wish Davies would stop punk faking everytime he gets the ball. Last night was
maybe the second time its worked all season.
Why is Zylstra getting so much playing time? Nice kid, but no upside. He's
a liability on defense, and rarely does anything offensively. When he does score
it's been against lower level teams. He looks out of control and
uncordinated when putting the ball on the floor, and is not athletic enough to
hang with the big boys.There has not been much to complain about
Rose's coaching over the years, but why is Zylstra playing 28 minutes a
game? With this team, Winder and Delgado should be getting increased minutes. At
least they bring a spark defensively.
"Besides, gym or arena size is completely irrelevant with regards to the
quality of the team playing in that facility." - see Huntsman Center----------Dave Rose is doing a fantastic job at BYU. Even in
a rebuilding season, he still produced a #55 RPI, 20+ win, NCAA bubble team,
that is a lock for the NIT, if the Cougars don't unexpectedly slip into the
Big Dance with a WCC tournament run.Eight consecutive 20+ win
seasons with 6 NCAA and 2 NIT berths is something any coach and fan base should
feel proud of.
Not impressed with this team this year, yeah they have fought back, but they are
never on top of it in the first half, always risking this type of loss. They
have not been able to beat the top teams in the conference, and thus, even if we
were still in the MT West, we would be a middle tier team this year. Too many lapses with Carlino, he can be good, sometimes very good, but often
terrible, out of control and undependable. Davies shows up when convenient,
same with Zylstra...who was a no show last night. This team lacks the skills and
athleticism of a championship team. Not thrilled with the lack of leadership of
our point guards. Tyler Haws is sometimes a great free-throw shooter, but
lately, he misses a lot. Hoping next year is much better, this
year, nothing great going to happen. Ho-hum.
No dishonor in losing to the Aztecs. They are in the top 20.
Rockwell is right. Loosing to Utah in football is bad.
@Legal"second tier team" really? Did you read the part where they
almost beat Gonzaga??"Utah almost beat then #3Arizona and
Utah's not even a second tier team. They're more like 3rd tier.
@Mildred in Fillmore"No dishonor in losing to the Aztecs. They are in
the top 20."Um... about that...
Difference in the game in Provo and the game in San DiegoZilstraat BYU - 10 points on 4 for 8 shooting, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals in 29
minutesat SDU - 0 points on 0 for 7 shooting, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 0
steals in 28 minutesIt's hard to win a road game when one of
your senior starters does a complete disappearing act.I like Brock
as a person, but he's been a big disappointment this year, only averaging
6.6 ppg. In BYU's 7 losses, Zilstra has scored 10, 10, 8, 2, 6, 6, and 0
This isn't a March Madness worthy team. They're OK - but they're
a year away from being a great team.
"It seems that the Utes are taking the role of the Wyoming of the Pac
12."No, they are taking the role of TCU. Always at the very,
very bottom. Wyoming often surprised and has a good run. TCU...always at the
very bottom.I really wasn't sure they'd beat SD. They
turned it on vs. Gonzaga and BYU, but otherwise hasn't been too stellar.
Should have been a W for BYU, but they weren't the better team. BYU is
actually top 25 in many categories if you can believe it, including points
scored. They are a good team, but need to get it together on the road.
I love that picture of Carlino. There is look in his eyes that says he's
going to score no matter what. He probably dribbled into someone and fell down
as he turned over. BYU has no half court offense. I get frustrated watching
Davies force shots when he doesn't have one. They could easily lose three
more. San Francisco isn't a bad team. I think we can win because it is
home. The rest of the schedule I expect two losses and maybe three. I hope
I'm wrong.Go Cougars
Worst collective performance for an entire game this season. BYU is definitely
having a Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde kind of year. One game they can look like world
beaters, the next they look like Utah.The final turnover when
Carlino and Haws ran into each other was a really fitting end to the game, since
it was a microcosm of the game itself: BYU just flat out beat themselves. I
dunno if their heads weren't in it or what, but when you've got
Carlino dribbling it off his foot out of bounds, Zylstra throwing a ball into
the back of the backboard when he's trying to save it from going out of
bounds, Austin almost having a back-court violation for not knowing where he was
on the court, and 11 missed FT's, it seems like something was up.Credit to San Diego, they played the way they had to to win, but they were
going to need a lot of help from BYU to pull off the upset and the Cougs gave it
to them.Ah well. The NIT's a solid tournament and BYU's a
young team. Part of the growing process.Go Cougars!
There just a good team, cmon guys there a 500 team, there's no excuse to
lose too someone like that. The fact that you had so many lapses should tell you
you weren't ready to play, and you thought you'd win by showing up.
But your not good enough to win by showing up. That game just cost you a spot in
the tournament, you'll be playing in the NIT now. This team has too much
talent to be this inconsistant, now that they have 3 good scorers these games
shouldn't be happening anymore. Losing to San Diego? Cmon!
@ LegalThe things is, the gyms aren't full...@
TilkaSD's gym is the exact same size as Dixie St.'s and
Salt Lake Community College's. Better than a high school gym, but not one
that many big-time D-1 programs aspire to play in. Honestly, I think BYU
deserves better. They don't belong in the WCC, despite this recent loss.
We need a big desperately. I watched the first half and their posts creamed us.
We don't need 6 9 guys who work really hard we need seven footers. We need
someone who could just be a defensive threat and could score if they have to.
Eric mika is 6 10 . That's pretty good, but I hope he grows a little bit.
I would be fine though if we had like 3 69 people. Kyle collinsworth could grow
then there is Austin and mika and worthington. That will be awesome. We have a
backcourt, but we need at least a two man front court
I wonder where the U would be if they played in the WCC??? I mean, based on
their home court losses to Northridge and the mighty Sacramento State Hornets I
am thinking they would be in about the same position as they are in the PAC...
Competing for the 9th seed in a in a league of 10 teams would be my guess.Oh, and Chris B, had you been able to beat the WCC 3rd seed (BYU) this
year, you would have had 4 top RPI 100 wins... But, of course you didn't,
again... What is that , 7 or 8 years since y'all have beaten the Cougs...
Wait, I looked it up. You had an OT winin SLC 4 years ago but your record is
1-11 for the last 7 years...I guess embarrassment is not an issue
for you though, even with that horrible record you and your fellow U friends
come on the BYU threads and continue to blog... I guess in the land of red and
white there is no shame...
Yeah, so this years team isn't an NCAA tournament team, they still will win
at least 20 games and will have a solid foundation for the next year. The law
of averages worked out not in favor of the Y on this game.
Come on Cougs, the Zags need you to win to help there SOS!