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  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    From what I've heard from a couple players, based on some of the winter workouts, Brandon Cox could have a very real possibility of dethroning Travis Wilson as the Utes' starting QB this season. Either way, the depth and skill set he's bringing in are a very welcome addition to the team.

    Very complimentary article to all 3 teams. Let the BYU-Utah namecalling, statistic copy-pasting hate fest begin below.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    Serious question here:

    I'd love for someone to tell us how many recruits had offers to Utah and BYU?

    And then, tell us how many picked Utah and how many picked byu.

    I'm willing to bet that due to our BCS success, undefeated seasons, BCS quality coaches, and BCS quality athletes, the majority will have picked Utah.

    Prove me wrong cougars?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    I noticed on scouts ranking of all recruits, byu was behind some noteable programs such as Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas.

    That wouldnt be something to be ashamed of, were we talking about basketball.

    Yes, thats right.

    A 1-11 Kansas(with jake heaps) team beat you in recruiting.

    A guess when recruits have to pick from a 1-11 BCS team and a whatever and whatever WAC team, the choice is clear.

    I love my BCS membership!

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Before the BYU-UTAH hatefest begins, do remember that only a few of these signees will be playing much next season. Many will be backups, some will redshirt, and some will go on missions. The majority of the impact players for next season are already on the teams. Recruits provide future potential and promise. In fact, if either team is so good, they shouldn't be playing any of these guys for two years. There is no point in arguing who has more 3 or 4 star recruits. It's results on the field that counts.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Christy

    "Serious question here:

    I'd love for someone to tell us how many recruits had offers to Utah and BYU?"

    Serious question? More like serious BYU obsession.

    Gotta love the delusion of a fan who's constantly proclaiming her love for being a member of the PAC 10.2, while remaining completely obsessed with a team that's not even in the PAC 10.2.

    Shouldn't you really be concerned about how the Utes stack up against the big boys of the PAC 10.2? After all, if you can't beat them, all you really are is a well-paid punching bag.

    Once a little sister, always a little sister.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    @86UTE,

    There is no point arguing who has more 3 or 4 star recruits?

    You're starting to sound like a certain coach who thinks he'll win a national championship with 1 star nobodies.

    I guarantee that top coaches(Saban, Miles, Spurries, Whittingham) care very much about how many stars their recruits have. Its HUGE

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    I am happy for the Utah recruiting class. Maybe they will actually win a few games this year. So far the PAC 12 experience has been a bust except for the new revenue. Their ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done. The BYU schedule is a killer this year so I really hope that Broncos' "not caring about the rankings of his recruits" works out for him. There is so much hyperbole floating around from both BYU and Utah that no one really knows what to believe, especially the scouting rags that are out there trying to sell magazines. When the rubber hits the road on the field the truth will be known. The guy with the biggest heart and strongest desire to win will finish first 9 out of 10 times when banging heads on a football field is involved.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Ah, Chris, u've supposedly left us so far behind, and yet u just can't leave us alone.

    This is a bad weekend for u to be talking recruiting smack. After all the stars and all the BCS hootch, an unheralded non-starred walk-on choir boy is the darling of the biggest game on the biggest stage in football.

    How many Dennis Pitta's u got in there Chris?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    Chris B - "I love my BCS membership!"

    With a team that finished 2nd to last in FB, last in baseball, is last in men's BB and is last in women's BB; there's really not much to love other than your conference is there?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:00 a.m.

    chrs b - I actually like my team more than the conference they are in. A FB team that went bowling again. A BB team that is competing to go back to the NCAA tourney. A volleyball team that is one of the best in the nation. A women's soccer team that made it to the great 8 and only lost to the NC.

    It's great to be part of a school that has great teams instead of being part of a school that is in a great conference but there's really not much to cheer for right now, is there?

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    @Chris B

    The Utes went 8-5 in their first year in the Pac-12 and went 5-7 with out a Bowl appearance this year. Explain to me how that equals success in the BCS. Stars honestly dont mean much. look at Cody Hoffman, he was a 2 star prospect that turned out to be a stud. and Jake Heaps, a 4 star prospect that crumbled under pressure (and a lousy OC in Doman). just those 2 examples show that the stars might be a guideline but dont mean much in the end.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    This is one of the more underwhelming classes BYU has ever put together. When the majority of you guys are low 2 stars or don't have any stars, that has to be concerning. Even for BYU who makes a living off no-namers, this is an all time low. When there aren't any other teams recruiting a kid, it's got to be a sign of the kids ability.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    @chris b

    "guarantee that top coaches(Saban, Miles, Spurries, Whittingham) care very much about how many stars their recruits have. Its HUGE"

    Any other "guarantees" for us? Here is a quote directly from whittingham in todays trib.

    "While the Utes didn’t land any so called four-star athletes, which might cause some fans to be concerned, Whittingham isn’t.

    "We don’t pay attention to all that," he said. "We recruit with our eyes and our ears and do our own evaluations and assessments."

    So I guess whittingham isn't one of those "top coaches" afterall.

    LOL!

  • UteJunky70 midvale, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    As a fan I would really like to see an article ,this time of year, that recaps the previous 2 or 3 recruiting classes for each school. Those are the guys that are going to be most directly responsible for changing the course of both Utah and BYU football.For Utah, guys like LB Rashawn Hooker, OLmen like Marc Povave, Carlos Lozano and Hiva Lutui. Speedy slot reciever Delshawn Mcllelon. And I'm sure there are many on BYU's side as well. Lets face it both teams have disappointrd in their 1st 2 years of this new world.Utah is only 7-11 in the only games that matter. And BYU is 0-7(Texas,Utah and TCU in 2011. Utah,BSU,OSU,and Notre Dame in 2012). Neither fan base should be bragging about anything at this point in each respective programs growth.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    I know Bronco doesn't care about how many stars a kid has. Why would you when you recruite kids that have none

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Feb. 3, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    Chris B.

    The number of stars a recruit has does not translate to success of a program or of a player. There are examples everywhere.
    Johnny Football broke almost every SEC QB record and won the Heisman as a Freshman, and guess how many stars he had. 3. He was ranked #39 QB in the 2011 class and yet he has had more success than any of the 38 ranked ahead of him.

    Here are a list of Heisman Trophy winners over the past 5 years and their rankings.
    Johnny Manziel- 3 star #39QB
    Robert Griffin III- 4 star #12QB
    Cam Newton- 4 Star #14QB
    Mark Ingram- 3 star #58RB
    Sam Bradford- 4 Star #17QB

    No 5 stars?

    The rankings serve a good purpose in getting good recruits noticed by top programs. But it is not a crystal ball to the future. Countless 5 star athletes never make an impact in College football. In both of Utah's undefeated seasons and BCS victories, I doubt you will find one 5 star recruit on the roster.

    How do you explain this Christina?
    Maybe coaching is more important than the number of stars a recruit is given?

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    I'm excited about this deep recruiting class for the Utes. I'm looking forward to seeing what they will do on the field.

    Please don't feed the trolls. (I don't think most Ute fans claim Chris B.)

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    Yeah I guess Nick Saban doesn't like 4 star and 5 star recruits...he just win championships! Yeah you guuys that think the star stuff doesn't matter need to loo at he top recruiting classes and the top 10, etc.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    Here's to hoping that the Y, Aggies and U have success in the coming year. Utah State was the best team in the state this last year and probably had lower "rated" classes than both the Utes and the Cougs for the last several recruiting years.

    @StGtoSLC:

    Your initial quote was prophetic.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 4, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    ItrustNo1:

    "So far the PAC 12 experience has been a bust...Their ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done."

    Not so little brother. Utah had sold out EVERY Home game since joining the Pac-12. Try to not confuse YOUR failures at the ticket office with ours. Since joining the Indy-WACs 2-yrs ago, the only sold out games you've experienced was when your big Pac-12 brother on the Hill came to town.

    ...and SMASHED you 54-10.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 4, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    naval vet

    "Utah had sold out EVERY Home game since joining the Pac-12."

    It's not difficult to fill a crackerbox. A sellout at RES is still less than the attendance at LES BEFORE the stadium was expanded in 1982. Since then, a "disappointing" crowd at LES is 10,000+ fans more than RES holds.

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    christy

    "There is no point arguing who has more 3 or 4 star recruits?"

    True, but not for the reason you suggest.

    The 2012 all-PAC-12 FIRST team had ZERO 5-star prospects; more proof that correlation between stars and on-field performance is nebulous at best. Star Lutolelei was only a 3-star recruit.

    Dennis Pitta, a 0 star, walkon, "choir boy" becoming one of BYU's all-time best receivers, and a starter and significant contributor for the Super Bowl winning Ravens is proof enough of just how meaningless stars really are.

    NOBODY knows how well any of these high school kids will actually perform in college.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Feb. 4, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "Serious question here: I'd love for someone to tell us how many recruits had offers to Utah and BYU? And then, tell us how many picked Utah and how many picked byu."

    In 2012 Utah won the offers battle 5-4 (Utah: Dimick, Hansen, Lindsay, Palepoi, York; BYU: Hinds, Hoyt, Mangum, Williams), in 2013 the Utes won 7-4 (Utah: Masina, Ophoy, Handley, Lotulelei, Tanoai, Tevi, Vaenuku; BYU: Kearsley, Peoples, Shumway, Trammell).

    Your point? Wait, don't tell me, I can probably guess... you wanted to know if fans from BYU could do internet research. We can. If you'd like a tutorial on how to do research let me know, I can give you a few pointers. I doubt making informed posts will make you obsess any less over BYU but it could be a good start.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 4, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "It's not difficult to fill a crackerbox."

    And ESPECIALLY not when a school plays a season of Pac-12 opponents rather than WAC opponents. That said, you seem to have fallen behind in the discussion here, so let me help you with your comprehension...

    ItrustNo1 said, "So far the PAC 12 experience has been a bust...Their ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done," to which I countered that our ticket office had recorded sell-out games for both our seasons in the Pac-12 (and truth be told, we also sold out every game during our final season in the MWC). And if we sold out every game for each of the past 2 years, then we HAD been "getting the job done" in ticket sales...ergo, ItrustNo1 was WRONG!

    Now if you have some information to refute RES being wildly SUCCESSFUL at the box office, then let's hear it. Otherwise, you have no argument, and look desperate, frantic and emotional for attempt to reprove an irrefutable position.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 4, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    Update to your list:

    6-7, 300 pound OT De'Ondre Wesley had been offered by BYU and has committed. Wesley said the visit to BYU was much different than his official to Utah. He talks about the environment differences.

    Wesley is a 3-star recruit who had offers from Arizona State, Colorado State, and Utah. Wesley originally committed to Utah on 09/09/2012.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 4, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    30 years after LES expanded to 65,000, our little brothers up north still haven't drummed up enough fan interest to warrant expanding RES to big boy size.

    The truth is Chris Hill is dragging his feet on expanding RES because he doesn't want to gamble millions on expanding RES only to watch it become just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red seats.

    2012 Football Bowl Subdivision Average Attendance

    #26 BYU - 61,161 - +1% increase
    #51 Utah - 45,347 - minor increase

    Even with a less than stellar home schedule, BYU still averaged almost 16,000 fans per game more than the kids on the hill.

  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Did you know Jimmer Fredette had a whole 2 stars coming out of high school? We obviously know what hard work and coaching can do to a kid. The star argument of a recruit is a silly debate. Utah and BYU recruit from the same pool of kids, granted there's some exception to this fact. But when we consider the overall quality of kids they are both recruited from BYU and Utah it just depends on how much potential these kids have.

    Utah get off your high horse and check back into reality. You had two undefeated seasons, but more recently failed to be play in a bowl.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Feb. 4, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    How many years of losing seasons and no bowls will Utah fans endure before the same Utah fans who abandoned the Utes at the Huntsman, disappear from RES?

    Like basketball season ticket holders who now only infrequently attend games in the HC, announced attendance at RES could remain near sold out stadium levels even though an ever-increasing number of season ticket holders begin showing up disguised as empty red chairs.

  • Highcountry Ghost Herriman, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    Riddles in the dark

    First of all, you are uninformed.
    Wesley did have an offer to Utah which he accepted, however he decided that he wanted to get the dream offer he had always wanted which was ASU. However Utah informed him if he wanted to look around that they would also. While he was at ASU, Utah had someone else commit who took his spot, which left Wesley without a scholarship to Utah, or ASU who never offered.
    Therefore, he is at BYU because he couldn't go to to 1st choice ASU, and 2nd choice Utah. Not because he chose BYU over either school.
    Hopefully it works out for all parties.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 5, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Highcountry Ghost

    Nice spin, but it really doesn't change the fact that BYU is getting a player that Utah wanted. Just because he lost interest in Utah, doesn't mean that De'Ondre suddenly lost the talent he had while Utah was heavily recruiting him.

  • Highcountry Ghost Herriman, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Pacman

    I wasn't trying to spin it, all I was stating were the facts.
    His dream was to play at ASU, which is great. But they didn't offer and his scholly at the U was gone. He didn't lose interest in Utah, he rolled the dice and lost. It was a matter of numbers, and Utah went another direction. Is the kid that took his place better, only time will tell.
    The fact is had ASU offered he would be a Sun Devil, and if Utah had room for him he would be a Ute. Byu was never in the picture until he was out of options.
    Hopefully, it was the best thing for Wesley and for the Cougs.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 5, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Highcontry, isn't that kind of like when the PAC offered a spot to 5 big 12 teams and when they didn't want anything to do with the PAC they made an offer to Utah?