Judge warns man tied to A.G. scandal to stop talking about cases
Well Jeremy Johnson has finally managed to say something truthful.No
difference between lobbying and bribery.That's usually true --
It could well be that the FTC was harassing him. That has happened before. The
fact that he seems unrepentant about bribing (semantics) a lawmaker doesn't
give me much sympathy for his case or if true for Swallow's - and at this
point Johnson does sound like he is being honest. While practiced regularly on
both sides of the political aisle, giving money to court favor is still wrong.
It always has been and always will be. Although it will be unfair because of all
of the other wrongs (bribery) that have taken place before, after Johnson leaves
jail he could be better off. If he is able to see that he was wrong. The problem
here isn't the FTC or politics, it is the lack of morals. This has to stop
in the US.
Wasn't this "bribery" charge all that Johnson had against Swallow?
Seems like his attorney advised him to put up or shut up. Looks like Johnson
and the SL Tribune are looking at some defamation charges. BTW. One
old man. The LDS Church, this news organization, United Way and just about
every other sizable organization in this state contract or have lobbyist. Are
you accusing those groups of bribery????
The difference between lobbying and bribery is that lobbyists cannot give $600k
to anyone. They can give the same amount as anyone else, which I believe is
just under $5k. Scheming to give Reid $600k for him to support your position is
illegal and tantamount to bribery.
"Maybe it's semantics. But lobbying, well-placed money, influence
peddling — it's all the same. You're putting money somewhere to
get something."Johnson may be the most truthful character in
this whole mess. But Pogo Possum knows who the enemy is.
@ AgustisHad to to dig a little, but found it..."We have met the
enemy and he is us."
When money is passed within your political party it's called
lobbying...when the other party does it, it's called bribery.
This is all true, but Utah has no ethical behavior laws or accountability laws
for any elected, appointed, or contracted employee or business so there has been
no laws broken. Lobbyist and advocates and bribery is illegal representation in
law making and controlling of government funds but indemnification laws permit
any and all compromisable acts by any government employee or representative
without accountability.Agency's funded by tax payers,
Education, UDOT, UTA, UEA, police, Health care exchange, etc are allowed to
embezzle their tax funds to bribe legislators and representatives for more
public money.I find it ironic that govenrment is bribing government,
its an offensive thought and concept. We have elected representatives to have
absolute control of spending for government departments and their value to the
community each and every year. No department is permanent and all are subject to
cuts and elimination according to economic conditions and funding available.CEO's are hired on excessive pay to report needs of departments if
they are doing their job, adding millions more to pay lobbyist out of department
funds is fraud.
VandenbergSalt Lake, UTIf you cannot see the difference here then it
is no use trying to explain it to you.
When it comes to dirty tricks, Washington DC has nothing over City Hall or the
State House.Johnson just happened to get caught. Swallow was
implicated because at some level has was involved. He should have known better.
It seems that anyone capable of getting elected to state or national office,
either starts out as the type of person we don't want, or becomes that by
the time they are successfully elected.
This state is more crooked than a dog's hind leg. Many politicians in Utah
just think bribery is greasing the skids and just a part of being good business.
How was it that Salt Lake City got the Olympics? Unfortunately,
it's the system we deserve when people keep the political machine going by
uninformed voting and political representatives immediately give themselves 37
percent pay raises after being elected. What is going to be fun to watch is to
see the righteous indignation by some of the majority party to impeach Swallow
when in truth, they are every bit as corrupt. I think one of these corrupt
politicians is enjoying a 80 percent approval rating. Which is worse, the
corrupt politicians, or the uninformed and disinterested public that puts them
in control? God save the Beehive State!
"What's the difference between bribe and lobbying?" A bribe is
when I go to the Department of . . . and hand over some money for them to do or
not do something to help me. Lobbying is when I hire a lawyer and he sues or
threatens to sue the Department of . . . to do or not do something in my
favor.Who did the money go to and why?
People are so quickly to condemn Johnson. He definitely operated in the gray
area with his business. But my question is why is it the FTC is highly involved
in wealth confiscation? Where does this money go once the FTC freezes accounts,
confiscates money? I believe the FTC is as crooked as they come. Why aren't
we questioning the governments actions like they are so willing to interfere
with the free market?
Mr. Johnson tells the truth...Several years ago while living in Mt. I
represented an Industry group and we needed assistance so I called our US
Senator. I called and called, spoke to staff members many times however Never
the Senator, and all I got was a DC Dance. I was then advised by our State
association that we needed to obtain the services of a lobbyist in DC. So, for
$15,000.00 ( I signed that check in 1990 ) our group was within 30 days provided
with the relief we needed via an amendment to a bill that sailed through
Congress. And by the way, Sen. Reid was also involved in this situation. Im not
saying the Senators were paid, but the service was amazing after that check was
written. I later asked the lobbyist how he managed this so quickly and his
answer was " my job is to know what politicians need and provide it"
Some months later I received a call from the Mt. Senator speaking like a long
lost friend and asked me to contribute to his campaign! ( I chose Not to send a
How could Swallow have the intent to create a bribe if Johnson didn't even
think he was paying a bribe? He couldn't. This was just another ploy by
Johnson to blur the lines and make Swallow look more guilty but it backfired,
smooth move Johnson you just gave Swallow the evidence he needs to show he never
intended to bribe anyone.
WyominguyBuffalo, WYYou are absolutely right on. The only way
to get the ear of our elected representatives is the way you had to. How can we
At least the whole story is finally coming out. The Lynch Mob was out to get
Swallow and it's finally starting to focus on the real criminal. Gehrke
broke the original story with half the facts. I loved the tweet he sent me when
I challenged him on writing a piece with more fantasy than fact: "The
agreement was to wait for the plea hearing, which we did" - Interpretation:
I waited until the plea hearing was done but not until all the facts were known
because I wanted my story to take down a prominent lawyer - never mind the
A lobbyist tries to get a lawmaker to come to an opinion that the lawmaker wants
them to have. Bribery isn't interested in the opinion of the lawmaker, just
the result. In the end, they achieve the same thing, I suppose, so it really
doesn't matter if there's a difference or not.
THere is a huge difference between bribery and lobbying. You retain a lobbyist
to help make the best case to the elected official but there is not guarantee
that you will be successful. In most cases there are lobbyists on the other
side making their case equally as strong. With a bribe there is generally some
agreement between the person accepting the bribe and the person offering it that
the person being bribed will in fact take a certain action. In this case it
appears that Johnson was asking Rawles for help and Rawles said it would require
hiring a lobbyist that knew someone with political juice. There is also some
indication that Rawles never actually hired any lobbyist but just pocketed the
money. The laugh is on Johnson for believing Rawles and giving him the money.
This Johnson fellow sure is good at deflecting blame, attention and scrutiny
toward everyone but himself. Then, he lawyers up with the most high
profile defense attorney in the state.He will have to work a bit
harder, and maybe even "lobby" me a whole lot to get me to buy the story
that he is innocent and John Swallow is somehow the bad guy in all this, or even
a partially bad guy. Remember, Swallow is the one who REQUESTED that the U.S.
Attorney investigate his (Swallow's) involvement.All this talk
about politicians reminds me of how bad the Great Salt Lake smells when the
sunshine heats things up.