Let's make this exchange.We've agreed as a nation what our
annual legal influx will be. It stands at about one million green cards a
year.Whatever this amnesty turns out to be...seven
million...eight...eleven...whatever the number is, will result in a moratorium
of new immigrants for that many years. Amnesty for eight million = an eight
year moratorium of new immigrants.Why should we heap that many more
immigrants on top of the status quo? Then watch the activists holler.
Mike Lee is wrong to back out for the reasons he gave. By providing legal means
for illegals already in this country, we can decriminalize many decent
hard-working families who have already sacrificed to be a part of what we
cherish in this country. His protectionist attitude is precisely why republicans
continue to be perceived as anti-immigration, when many of us want to provide
legal means to draw out the illegalities. If we don't offer a path that
encourages those already here to come forward and do things according to the
law, we're only embracing the criminal behaviors we pretend to condemn by
not offering that path.
It's good to see the nation rallying around the Obama immigration reforms,
It will be interesting to see if the Tea Party yahoos in the House sabotage the
reforms.If they do, Hillary will be able to count on another 70%
advantage among Hispanic and Asian voters on her way to the White House!
Once passed, the enforcement part will be set aside, and amnesty will be given
for the eighth time. Amnesty just puts off enforcement. Do you really think
Obama will enforce any laws passed, when he has ignored them in the past? Of those here illegally, most will lose their jobs in the first year or
two. They will require a fair wage and benefits. As a new wave of people here
illegally, and those who never applied, take their jobs, we dump several million
onto our welfare rolls and Obamacare. They are working, because they are cheap
labor. Last week the President of Mexico announced a new program for
the 7.5 million poor there. There is no reason to keep families
together, Obamas waiver January first of this year covers immediate family.
I've read the new bill.Its LONG on providing employers a way
out of hiring legal American citizens, and SHORT on providing substantive
enforcement. The enforcement provisions of the "new" law aren't
worth the paper they're written on.Kudos to Sen. Lee for
abandoning it. The "new" bill actually will put illegal trespassers
BEFORE legal citizens because it allows very hazy reporting by employers in
regards to hiring practices."liberal larry" - I really
couldn't care less whether Hillary or my neighbors cat gets elected in
2016. What I do want though is immigration laws ENFORCED.Adhering
to the laws of the land really isn't a partisan issue.
We don't need "Immigration Reform" which really means amnesty. We
need enforcement of our laws which are in place to protect our border against
this criminal invasion. There are really 30 million illegal aliens in the US and
every one who gets legalized had many more relatives in Mexico just waiting to
come next. There is no end to amnesty until we are as poor as Mexico from
providing free health, education and retirement to them.
raybiesWe already have a path to citizenship. It's called legal
immigration, over a million are allowed each year. And if they are looking for
jobs, there were 3.3 million work visas given out each year. Decent
people come here legally. They are being abused by the government and business.
Depressed wages, higher taxes, the American citizen is being used. Give it to the students on waivers, and the immediate family members that are
on waivers. Prove enforcement to America by deporting the rest.
Then, and only then, work out a path to citizenship for the estimated 3 million
students and family members. Immigration reform is the big lie. The
open border business folks are rich and powerful. They are destroying our middle
class and replacing it with cheap surplus labor.
Why will the house Republicans give Obama 11 million (+relatives) new voters?
Hispanic's have never voted Republican. Instead the Republicans should
tackle getting America's 20+ million back to work full time, and gain
almost double the votes.Business, government, Churches, law
enforcement. Who can trust them after this ruse? It's a labor war that will
tear this country apart, as Americans are being ignored over foreign born
workers. You don't reward years of dishonesty.
@raybies. granting amnesty to illegal immigrants also encourages (probably more
so because the benefits are greater and risk is less) than does Mike Lee's
It's interesting that the so-called "Progressives", who claim that
they are all for social justice, impartiality, and fair treatment for all, are
proponents of preferrential treatment of illegal immigrants- seems a bit
hypocritical. How fair is it to those seeking to come here legally? What kind
of preferrential treatment are they receiving? Also, how fair is it that a
disproportionate number of immigrants (many of which are illegal immigrants) are
being allowed to come here from south of the border (and allowed to stay),
relative to the number of people going through the legal channels to come here
from all other countries- including many who are living in far worse conditions
than those who live south of the border. Since the U.S. cannot house the entire
world, what would be a fair percentage, or a fair number of immigrants to allow
to come here from every country per year?
A new worldwide book/ebook by ex-Salt Laker Lance Johnson (East High, UofU)
explains the role, struggles, and contributions of immigrants and minorities:
"What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand
crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more."
Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it paints a revealing picture
of America on numerous subjects to help those who will benefit from a better
understanding. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, White House-Congress
cooperation, concerned citizens and books like this can extend a helping hand to
those in need.Here's a closing quote from the book's Intro:
"With all of our cultural differences though, you'll be surprised to
learn how much our countries—and we as human beings—have in common
on this little third rock from the sun. After all, the song played at our
Disneyland parks around the world is 'It's A Small World After
Meanwhile, Senator Mike "Shortsale" Lee won't sign this eminently
reasonable measure. He won't be satisfied until the Sheriff gets his trucks
loaded up with eeleegals and dumps them all over the border--11 million of them,
mostly women and children who clean toilets and wait tables for a living. Hey
Mike, who's going to clean up after you?
The US has no obligation to allow even one foreign person to immigrate. A wise
nation only allows immigration of those who have needed skills and who are
financially self supporting.The Democrat strategy in forcing a flood
of illegal foreigners into this nation is to guarantee they can outvote the
Americans. Obama has forcefully stopped States from defending their own borders
against this invasion - while the Constitution requires him to repel said
invasion with whatever force is necessary.And that's how the US
was conquered by foreign invasion - with a lot of help from the inside. The
foreigners, naturally, will vote for their accomplices.
What's wrong with deporting people who come here illegally?
Rubio and the other Republican senators are walking into a demo. trap on this
issue.If "comprehensive immigration reform" passes,
obviously Obama and the demos. will take FULL credit for passing it. Their
helpers in the lamestream media will make sure of it.Within a year, the
demos. will give some excuse as to why they have stopped the enforcement
component. Then we're right back to where we are now. As Republicans press
for enforcement, they will be portrayed as the mean uncaring ones.There's nothing stopping Obama from enforcing the law now. Why
The republicans had their chance to fix immigration during George W's reign
of the ridiculous. The CONSERVATIVES shot down the McCain sponsored bill,
claiming the evils of amnesty and such. While I am conservative, I
deeply disagree with the direction the republicans have taken on this issue...
and have since the minutemen decided to treat every hispanic family just trying
to make a living like an islamic terrorist. Their fear-based
rhetoric has come due. Romney lost the election, even though he has ancestors
from Mexico, because of the scare-based nonsense that the Republicans initially
engaged in, and the dem's simply took advantage of... It's
time to do the right thing, regardless of who gets credit. Give our Hispanic
brothers living among us and working productively a path to citizenship that
doesn't treat them like unwanted criminals.
Why do none of the discussions on "immigration reform" ever mention the
negative effects on those of us in the bottom 50%? None of the immigration
proposals ever tell us how their new and improved immigration laws are going to
stop future illegal immigration (we did illegal alien amnesty in 1986- gave us
millions more illegals), or why we should believe new laws will be enforced when
the old laws aren't. ...........The immigration cowards, also never say
what they think the numbers should be......The U.S. already admits over 1.1
million legal immigrants every year- more than all other nations combined! We
also admit more refugees than all other nations. .So, what do they propose the
cap should be? .... And what will they do to stop future illegal immigration?
About 50% of illegals are visa overstays. Only internal enforcent and manditory
E-Verify will curb this, not border security. Even so the President has shown
that the laws do not have to be enforced. An illegal alien can now have a work
permit and have their many felonies waived! It is not believable any new laws
will be enforced either.