In Utah you can still be fired over your orientation alone.
I'm confused Jesse. So do you want us to treat people by the color of
their skin or not?Is it ok to give a black guy a a job or admittance
to college over a white person because they are black?But it's
not ok to give a white guy a job or admittance to college over a black person
because they are white?Nope, no double standard here.
So do we have to give minorities EXTRA rights? To make the MORE EQUAL? Just wondering.If this proliferates, the majority will die
out, and they will soon become the minority.
Documented evidence shows a white 'guy' will make about 30% more than
any minority.People of color in america typically are denied
education due to income.If you indicate your orientation on a resume
as anything other than heterosexual, you have a 40% to be denied the job.32,000 troops were discharged from the US military under Don't Ask,
Don't Tell.You are not a 'victim' simply because you
are a 'white guy'.
Some of the posts here illustrate that what Jesse Jackson and other have fought
against for so long are still alive and well in Utah.
"Documented evidence shows a white 'guy' will make about 30% more
than any minority"Why don't you show us what
"documented evidence" says about GPA's of college grads, both
whites and minorities?I think it is only fair to compensate the most
qualified and more sought after employees more than less sought after and less
qualified.Similarly,"documented evidence" shows
that a white person has a 79.5603 percent less of a chance at being given an NBA
or NFL contract, compared to a minority.Racism.
Anyone care to explain the obvious to Chris B. as to why that is?
The political landscape has caused Americans to think in terms of protected
classes. That's where you want to be. And that's where the
entitlements are. Hyphenated Americans get SBA loans, scholarships, grants. In
order to equalize opportunities they have opened up the treasury for those
protected classes.And the plan is taught in high school.Rumbault and
Portes studied the issue and determined that students begin middle school as
simply "Americans" and six years later emerge with the identity of
protected classes.Follow the money and the influence of public education.
Pagan: 1) People of any race or nationality (including white) are denied
an education because they won't reach out and grasp the brass ring. You
can't GIVE anyone an education. A student has to put forth the effort get
it themselves. This includes attending every class and doing the required
homework. Income is no barrier. In fact it is just the opposite. There is an
abundance of financial aid available to lower income students - but they have to
put forth a little effort to fill out the applications to get it. If anyone
truly wants an education, they can find a way to get it.2) Why would you
put your orientation on your resume?
Jessie, why does everything have to be about race? The election was not about
that, I suppose it was for some foolish folks.... The "confederacy"
happened years ago. Stop playing the race fiddle. oh, I forgot you'd have
nothing to do if you couldn't play the race card. Yes, we get it, there
are many inequalities in the US. I think we've come a long way. However,
folks like you propogate the situation.
Some of you probably need to read the article since he was calling for equality
of opportunity not equality of results as some of you think he's saying.
That means things like making sure everyone has access to decent schools.
It's not just a race thing either, it actually ties closer to class. Poor
areas have lower quality schools which makes it more likely for the cycle of
poverty to continue.
The comments on this tread just make me sad.
@Pagan Obama was raised by a single mother who did not have the monetary
advantages yet he was able to have the full benefits of education. Lack of
money is not the only factor preventing minorities or even non-minorities from a
Funny thing about rights, they don't place obligations upon others.I
am exercising my right to freedom of the press, but you don't have to read
what I write.I have freedom of speech but nobody has to listen to me.When Jesse Jackson talks about equal rights, he is talking about equal money.
His solution to the problem is redistribution of wealth.Sorry Jesse,
when you take property from one person against their will, they call that
steeling. Using the government to do it is just institutionalized theft.Of course government should be able to tax for the necessary expenses of
government (national defense, roads, highways, courts, etc.) but feeding my
family is not the job of government. It's my job.Our system of
economics is far from perfect.If you teach a man to fish you feed him for
life, but only if he has access to the water.We could end poverty
today if we simply gave two acres of land to each family in poverty, helped them
build a small dwelling and taught them how to grow their own food.
A lack of money does 'not' prevent education.Ok.Tell me what things you would change in your life...with 30% less
income if you were black, gay, white or non-Moromon in Utah.
"Reverand" Jackson has made a lucrative career out of racism, on both
sides of the issue, sometimes with very positive goals, as in his early days,
and not so much in recent years.He would be more credible if his
campaigning for blacks including showing up for conservative blacks, not just
liberals. I am sure that Mia Love did NOT receive an endorsement from Jackson.
Utah, and indeed the entire country, are doing pretty well on the
"equality of opportunity" that Dr. King liked, but not so well on
equality of outcomes which Jackson demands. Outcomes are the result not just of
opportunity, but also hard work and desire. Some people are "makers" and
some are "takers" and that is not a racial characteristic but one of
motivation and cultural norms. Finally, Jackson's constant
support of the liberal "welfare plantation" has been a huge disservice,
not only for black Americans, but all poor people, keeping them dependent on
government instead of earning the rewards of their own efforts.If
the U wanted an exemplary speaker on making the most of equal opportunity, they
should have invited Justice Clarence Thomas instead of Jackson. But,
conservatives get no respect from academia.
"A lack of money does 'not' prevent education."@Pagan I never said it did. I said it is one factor. We need to look at all
factors that contribute not just money because I know families with tons of
money whose kids flunked out of college and make hardly anything,
Chris B and others here have a long ways to go to even understand what Reverend
Jackson is talking about. There's a big difference between the 79% of NBA
players who ARE black and being "given" an NBA contract. Affirmative
action in education is one of the few ways we have to level the playing field
and offer minorities a real chance at participating in the economy at a higher
level, breaking the cycle of poverty. I don't know of any minorities who
have thrown that chance away. Rather, they tend to be the brightest, hardest
working students and graduates I have known. Why don't you who
have so much quit worrying so much about others might get?? Such a sad display
for a culture that is supposed to be Christian. No one has picked up on the fact
that the First Presidency has invited him for a meeting. Someone has the right
idea how to treat a guest...
If you complain when other groups get access to the same education and income
that you covet, you are not the victim...you are the oppressor.
@DN Subscriber 2"He would be more credible if his campaigning
for blacks including showing up for conservative blacks, not just
liberals."Wait, now you want him to judge people by the color of
their skin rather than his own perceived quality of candidate?
Jesse Jackson is no friend to the black community - he is looking out for #1 at
all times above anything else. He and Al Sharpton both have made $millions in
the race baiting game.Pagan - Giving people stuff doesn't work.
Trillions (in entitlements) has been given to the disenfranchised
over the last 50 years - and what do we have to show for it?? Nearly nothing.
@PaganIf you have a business and decide to hire me, you should have the
right to fire me for having blue eyes (or brown ones) if you like, because it is
YOUR business and you may find that my blue eyes (or brown ones) are causing a
problem in your business. You should also have the right to fire me because of
my sexual orientation (gay, straight, whatever) if you perceive that it is
causing a problem in your business. No meddlers should be telling you that you
Jesse claiming coat tails from Rev. King. He's not half the man that King
was and hasn't had an original idea come from his head ever. It is sad
that guys like Jackson and Sharpton have somehow become the face of the civil
rights movement, when men like Rev. King and Ralph Abernathy did much, much
more.Oh by the way Pagan, I know plenty of folks of your
orientation, and I don't know a one that has been fired from any job due to
their orientation. If they have been fired, and I know a few that have, it is
because they have run afoul of the work rules. At my job it is mostly for
attendance issues, and my workplace is pretty darn liberal about attendence.
You have to try real hard to get fired for that reason.
Why have this race baiting charlatans even come?his whole reason for living is
making sure there are race problems.who is nearly always first on the scene to
stoke the fire of a possible racial incident? It's how he gets paid.
Learning to live together? It would happen a lot sooner if not for the likes of
Jesse, Al Sharpton, Calypso Louie and others. Jesses Jackson is the King of
shakedown artists. His whole career is one of racial hype. He needs racial
tension to maintain his seat of power.
clearly no one on this thread actually attended or watched this speech, if you
had you would know that he spoke at great length about recognizing your own
personal worth and pushing yourself to be the person you can become and gave
very little attention to race of class issues. It seems the ones trying to race
and class bait are you all not Jessie Jackson.
Bruce Lee made a seminal comment when he said: "The only help is self
help." I've thought about that for the 40 years I've been in
martial arts. What it means to me is that people can be offered all types of
help but, first of all, the help must be accepted. If you're leaning down
to give somebody a "hand up" they have to take your hand.In
addition, giving a group of people extra privileges essentially tells them that
they are weak and cannot do it themselves. If they completely buy into it, then
it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. They become weak and depependent. People from all races, religions, colors, and beliefs have made it on
their own. Expect people to be strong and they will be strong. Expect them to
be weak and dependent and they will.
'Most poor people aren't on welfare.' That is perhaps the truest
thing The Reverend has ever said. Because let's be honest, if you are on
welfare, you ain't poor!