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'We're learning how to live together,' Jesse Jackson tells U. audience (+video)

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    In Utah you can still be fired over your orientation alone.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    I'm confused Jesse. So do you want us to treat people by the color of their skin or not?

    Is it ok to give a black guy a a job or admittance to college over a white person because they are black?

    But it's not ok to give a white guy a job or admittance to college over a black person because they are white?

    Nope, no double standard here.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    So do we have to give minorities EXTRA rights? To make the MORE EQUAL?

    Just wondering.

    If this proliferates, the majority will die out, and they will soon become the minority.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Documented evidence shows a white 'guy' will make about 30% more than any minority.

    People of color in america typically are denied education due to income.

    If you indicate your orientation on a resume as anything other than heterosexual, you have a 40% to be denied the job.

    32,000 troops were discharged from the US military under Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

    You are not a 'victim' simply because you are a 'white guy'.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Some of the posts here illustrate that what Jesse Jackson and other have fought against for so long are still alive and well in Utah.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    "Documented evidence shows a white 'guy' will make about 30% more than any minority"

    Why don't you show us what "documented evidence" says about GPA's of college grads, both whites and minorities?

    I think it is only fair to compensate the most qualified and more sought after employees more than less sought after and less qualified.

    Similarly,

    "documented evidence" shows that a white person has a 79.5603 percent less of a chance at being given an NBA or NFL contract, compared to a minority.

    Racism.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Anyone care to explain the obvious to Chris B. as to why that is?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    The political landscape has caused Americans to think in terms of protected classes. That's where you want to be. And that's where the entitlements are. Hyphenated Americans get SBA loans, scholarships, grants. In order to equalize opportunities they have opened up the treasury for those protected classes.
    And the plan is taught in high school.
    Rumbault and Portes studied the issue and determined that students begin middle school as simply "Americans" and six years later emerge with the identity of protected classes.
    Follow the money and the influence of public education.

  • AzPete Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Pagan:
    1) People of any race or nationality (including white) are denied an education because they won't reach out and grasp the brass ring. You can't GIVE anyone an education. A student has to put forth the effort get it themselves. This includes attending every class and doing the required homework. Income is no barrier. In fact it is just the opposite. There is an abundance of financial aid available to lower income students - but they have to put forth a little effort to fill out the applications to get it. If anyone truly wants an education, they can find a way to get it.
    2) Why would you put your orientation on your resume?

  • troyboy North Salt Lake, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Jessie, why does everything have to be about race? The election was not about that, I suppose it was for some foolish folks.... The "confederacy" happened years ago. Stop playing the race fiddle. oh, I forgot you'd have nothing to do if you couldn't play the race card. Yes, we get it, there are many inequalities in the US. I think we've come a long way. However, folks like you propogate the situation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Some of you probably need to read the article since he was calling for equality of opportunity not equality of results as some of you think he's saying. That means things like making sure everyone has access to decent schools. It's not just a race thing either, it actually ties closer to class. Poor areas have lower quality schools which makes it more likely for the cycle of poverty to continue.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    The comments on this tread just make me sad.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    @Pagan Obama was raised by a single mother who did not have the monetary advantages yet he was able to have the full benefits of education. Lack of money is not the only factor preventing minorities or even non-minorities from a decent education.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Funny thing about rights, they don't place obligations upon others.
    I am exercising my right to freedom of the press, but you don't have to read what I write.
    I have freedom of speech but nobody has to listen to me.
    When Jesse Jackson talks about equal rights, he is talking about equal money. His solution to the problem is redistribution of wealth.

    Sorry Jesse, when you take property from one person against their will, they call that steeling. Using the government to do it is just institutionalized theft.

    Of course government should be able to tax for the necessary expenses of government (national defense, roads, highways, courts, etc.) but feeding my family is not the job of government. It's my job.

    Our system of economics is far from perfect.
    If you teach a man to fish you feed him for life, but only if he has access to the water.

    We could end poverty today if we simply gave two acres of land to each family in poverty, helped them build a small dwelling and taught them how to grow their own food.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    A lack of money does 'not' prevent education.

    Ok.

    Tell me what things you would change in your life...

    with 30% less income if you were black, gay, white or non-Moromon in Utah.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    "Reverand" Jackson has made a lucrative career out of racism, on both sides of the issue, sometimes with very positive goals, as in his early days, and not so much in recent years.

    He would be more credible if his campaigning for blacks including showing up for conservative blacks, not just liberals. I am sure that Mia Love did NOT receive an endorsement from Jackson.

    Utah, and indeed the entire country, are doing pretty well on the "equality of opportunity" that Dr. King liked, but not so well on equality of outcomes which Jackson demands. Outcomes are the result not just of opportunity, but also hard work and desire. Some people are "makers" and some are "takers" and that is not a racial characteristic but one of motivation and cultural norms.

    Finally, Jackson's constant support of the liberal "welfare plantation" has been a huge disservice, not only for black Americans, but all poor people, keeping them dependent on government instead of earning the rewards of their own efforts.

    If the U wanted an exemplary speaker on making the most of equal opportunity, they should have invited Justice Clarence Thomas instead of Jackson. But, conservatives get no respect from academia.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    "A lack of money does 'not' prevent education."

    @Pagan I never said it did. I said it is one factor. We need to look at all factors that contribute not just money because I know families with tons of money whose kids flunked out of college and make hardly anything,

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Chris B and others here have a long ways to go to even understand what Reverend Jackson is talking about. There's a big difference between the 79% of NBA players who ARE black and being "given" an NBA contract. Affirmative action in education is one of the few ways we have to level the playing field and offer minorities a real chance at participating in the economy at a higher level, breaking the cycle of poverty. I don't know of any minorities who have thrown that chance away. Rather, they tend to be the brightest, hardest working students and graduates I have known.

    Why don't you who have so much quit worrying so much about others might get?? Such a sad display for a culture that is supposed to be Christian. No one has picked up on the fact that the First Presidency has invited him for a meeting. Someone has the right idea how to treat a guest...

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    If you complain when other groups get access to the same education and income that you covet, you are not the victim...

    you are the oppressor.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber 2

    "He would be more credible if his campaigning for blacks including showing up for conservative blacks, not just liberals."

    Wait, now you want him to judge people by the color of their skin rather than his own perceived quality of candidate?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Jesse Jackson is no friend to the black community - he is looking out for #1 at all times above anything else. He and Al Sharpton both have made $millions in the race baiting game.

    Pagan - Giving people stuff doesn't work.

    Trillions (in entitlements) has been given to the disenfranchised over the last 50 years - and what do we have to show for it?? Nearly nothing.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    @Pagan
    If you have a business and decide to hire me, you should have the right to fire me for having blue eyes (or brown ones) if you like, because it is YOUR business and you may find that my blue eyes (or brown ones) are causing a problem in your business. You should also have the right to fire me because of my sexual orientation (gay, straight, whatever) if you perceive that it is causing a problem in your business. No meddlers should be telling you that you can't.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Jesse claiming coat tails from Rev. King. He's not half the man that King was and hasn't had an original idea come from his head ever. It is sad that guys like Jackson and Sharpton have somehow become the face of the civil rights movement, when men like Rev. King and Ralph Abernathy did much, much more.

    Oh by the way Pagan, I know plenty of folks of your orientation, and I don't know a one that has been fired from any job due to their orientation. If they have been fired, and I know a few that have, it is because they have run afoul of the work rules. At my job it is mostly for attendance issues, and my workplace is pretty darn liberal about attendence. You have to try real hard to get fired for that reason.

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    Why have this race baiting charlatans even come?his whole reason for living is making sure there are race problems.who is nearly always first on the scene to stoke the fire of a possible racial incident? It's how he gets paid.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Learning to live together? It would happen a lot sooner if not for the likes of Jesse, Al Sharpton, Calypso Louie and others. Jesses Jackson is the King of shakedown artists. His whole career is one of racial hype. He needs racial tension to maintain his seat of power.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    clearly no one on this thread actually attended or watched this speech, if you had you would know that he spoke at great length about recognizing your own personal worth and pushing yourself to be the person you can become and gave very little attention to race of class issues. It seems the ones trying to race and class bait are you all not Jessie Jackson.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    Bruce Lee made a seminal comment when he said: "The only help is self help." I've thought about that for the 40 years I've been in martial arts. What it means to me is that people can be offered all types of help but, first of all, the help must be accepted. If you're leaning down to give somebody a "hand up" they have to take your hand.

    In addition, giving a group of people extra privileges essentially tells them that they are weak and cannot do it themselves. If they completely buy into it, then it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. They become weak and depependent.

    People from all races, religions, colors, and beliefs have made it on their own. Expect people to be strong and they will be strong. Expect them to be weak and dependent and they will.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    'Most poor people aren't on welfare.' That is perhaps the truest thing The Reverend has ever said. Because let's be honest, if you are on welfare, you ain't poor!