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Utah sheriffs write letter to Obama opposing executive order on guns

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  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Jan. 18, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    I've never seen a gun load itself.

    I've never seen a gun pull its own trigger.

    I've never seen a gun beat someone to death.

    I've never seen a gun drive itself to a shooting.

    People do these things to each other ... not inanimate objects.

    In 2011 there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms; the rest 4,081 were caused by people using inanimate objects i.e., knives, cars, poison, baseball bats, frying pans, et cetera. (Source: FBI statistics; stats do not include Alabama and Florida)

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 3:14 a.m.

    For once I have to give some Kudos's to this organization for its outflow of reason and sane observation of the rights and duties of the citizens of the Untied States and their inalienable rights.

    I'm surprised the DN even printed or allowed this 2nd amendment endorsement to be printed or noted in the news media, they are so anti constitutional they are what traitors are to terrorism.

    FYI, the presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and is not president until he is takes an oath to serve the people and laws of United States on Jan 20th.

    Legislation and all documents, acts, and actions, committed by citizen Obama does not represent the United States until he takes his oath of office and swears to serve this country as the Constitution dictates and regulates the beginning and end of elected terms of office. His term of office begins "after" he swears his oath of allegiance to this country.

    The congress has no other obligation to all documents other than VETO them as illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as treasonous and terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    Where in the executive orders does it say anything that threatens or interferes with a law-abiding citizen's right to own a gun?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    These so called law enforcement officers do not understand executive orders. I'm sorry, but it is not their job to be the law unto themselves. Their letter is offensive and nothing but self righteous partisan politics. They could not have have even adequately assessed the President's actions so quickly. This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the rule of law, and the confidence of the people in our law enforcement.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    2Cents -- for someone who claims to be a Constitutional expert and loyal supporter, your ignorance is showing again when you claim: "FYI, the presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and is not president until he is takes an oath to serve the people and laws of United States on Jan 20th."

    Just in case you might actually be interested in the TRUTH, here it is: "Pursuant to the Twentieth Amendment, the president's term of office begins at noon on January 20 of the year following the election. This date, known as Inauguration Day, marks the beginning of the four-year terms of both the president and the vice president."

    That is why he is taking the oath privately on Sunday and repeating it in public on Monday.

  • samuel h wiscomb Sun Lakes, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    AMEN to those who realize, Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Sorry, Sam, but you have it only partly right. Guns don't kill people. But people holding guns kill people.

    One small, but very important, detail.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    I, too, agree that people, not guns, kill. This, then, begs the question of why Americans do it so much more frequently than those of other nations. I figure our gun culture is partly a product of the presence of the guns themselves. Our free for all atmosphere wherein you get to own a gun solely designed to kill other people provides tacit approval that doing so is OK. Cars and frying pans are not designed to commit mass murder. Assault rifles with large clips, well, they're not for putting venison in the freezer, are they? I despise unnecessary government interference in my life. But something has to be done, and the proposed changes are not going to deny me of any of my guns. Hopefully it's a small step in us starting to change our attitudes.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Ye Haw!
    Feelin' just like I'm a livin' in Texas!
    Will we be a leavin' the Union next week?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Another excellent comment from the Hutterite. Thanks.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    I am disappointed that the Deseret News did not research this. I am further disappointed that our taxpayer-funded sheriffs are taking one-sided political action, due to what they have heard on the radio or TV.

    There is NO overstepping of power, nor no walkaround of the legislative process.

    Deseret News, you make it impossible to post the summary of these so-called "orders", or even a link to them.

    Hopefully, other readers can decipher this. I beg you, Deseret News, to allow this post.

    snurl dot com backslash 26669pb

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    The Cache County Sheriffs office needs to find out the mind and motivation of the boy from Providence who made threatening calls of shooting school children before the feds move in and seize all the evidence so that the people of Utah and the nation will never find out about their secret works of darkness and murder and abominations.. Do not trust centralized, nationalized unconstitutional police (feds)...
    See the article about these threats from Kirby in Deseret News.

    Do it now people and local sheriffs, wake up!

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    @ My2Cents: So you really believe that once every four years the United States is without a President for 20 days? You really think the Constitution is written that poorly?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 19, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    To the premise of the letter...

    As Sherman Potter would say...

    Meadow Muffins!

    At 3:14 AM we learn...

    "...The congress has no other obligation to all documents other than VETO them as illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as treasonous and terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA...".

    Followed later by...

    "...before the feds move in and seize all the evidence so that the people of Utah and the nation will never find out about their secret works of darkness and murder and abominations.. Do not trust centralized, nationalized unconstitutional police (feds)...".

    With apologies to the Buffalo Springfield, let me add...

    Somethin's happenin here...
    There's a man with a gun over there...
    Tellin me I got to beware...
    It's time to stop children what's that sound...
    Everybody look what's goin down...

    Paranoia strikes deep...
    Into your life it will creep...
    It starts when you're always afraid...
    Step out of line, the man come and take you away...

    Life imitating art?

    One can only hope!

  • MajMarine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Esquire
    Springville, UT
    "These so called law enforcement officers do not understand executive orders."

    Then by all means, please explain them to us.

    "I'm sorry, but it is not their job to be the law unto themselves."

    Neither is it the President's

    "They could not have have even adequately assessed the President's actions so quickly."

    But the President was sure quick to assess the (potential) actions of law-abiding citizens

    "This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the rule of law, and the confidence of the people in our law enforcement."

    Change 'law enforcement' to President.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    20 kids didn't kill themselves last month.

    An automatic rifle did.

    People didn't kill themselves in a theatre in Colorado.

    A person who purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition online did.

  • ex-infantry Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    No one is trying to take away peoples rights to own guns.This lie thrown around by the NRA and others is to install fear among us. We must sit down and have an honest discussion regarding the safty of guns and their use. I own a gun and have had great amounts of training using them. Gun owners all need to be properly trained not just on their use but also how to safty store these weapons out of reach of our children.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    Honestly, it doesn't matter what the politicians "intend" to do, as it is unconstitutional for them to do anything regarding our right to keep and bear arms.

    Not that this has stopped them before.

    I absolutely believe that many of them intend to disarm us, and many of them have publicly stated as much, so you can quit apologizing for them or excusing them prior to their actually taking action.

    Pagan, you are wrong in so many ways. First off, it wasn't an "automatic rifle" in that massacre, those are STRONGLY regulated, cost tens of thousands of dollars, and require an extra level of gov't approval to own. Secondly, I challenge you to show me a rifle that can get up off the floor or table and shoot anyone, all by itself. The truth is, in America, more people are killed with hammers and bats and other tools, than with rifles; that is a fact the FBI has gathered.

    So quit going for the sentimental stuff, and try to stay with the facts?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    More Americans have died due to gun violence than any war since 1968.

    Show me the Americans killed by 'hammers, bats and other tools.'

    Please.

    A claim is not a fact.

    And 20 children did not die by falling down the stairs.

    They were shot to death. Last month.

    Fact.

  • Let's be real Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Thank you Sheriffs for writing this. There are lots of considerations that go into executive orders that we do not realize, including how binding they can be. For us to bury our heads into the sand and let our rights fly left, right, sideways, up, down etc while we sit on our thumbs will get us one day. Thank you for writing the letter. I would have left out one thing though, the "respectfully" part. Why do we have to be respectful to people who are meaningfully taking away our rights as per constitution while we have our very existence as a nation at hand?

  • Brian H Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    Here is something else we should be doing. Guns are only a part of the problem. People are the biggest problem and our court system. When you are not scared of the punishment for the crime then crime happens. Court systems SHOULD not be about the offenders rights that they gave up once they commited the crime. Nor should it be about making the defending attorney rich or famous. They should also ban the phrase my daddy beat me 20 years ago as a reason to commit crimes today. If punishment fit the crime and was not dragged out 3 to 10 years long I think that would make some difference as well. We are so eager to take away from people who haven't done nothing and over look what is not being done to the ones who have. Shouldn't we do something about them first?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:21 a.m.

    rvalens2,

    I've never seen a car load up a drunk driver

    I've never seen a car drive itself into oncoming traffic

    I've never seen a car by itself hit and kill someone

    I've never seen a car drive itself to an accident

    People do these things to each other ... not cars.

    Yet...we license drivers - and update their registration every single year. And if someone shows a wanton disregard for other people by driving drunk or causing an accident while texting, etc., we remove that person's privilege to drive. We don't let everyone drive dump trucks or buses or formula one racers.

    Nice analogy, people. Shows we can also be sensible and have a few restrictions on the kinds of weapons and ammo we possess.

    The job of these officers is not to interpret the law but to ENFORCE it. If they had talked about the difficulty of implementation, I would be more sympathetic. Instead, they have adopted what are clearly right wing stances about the gun debate. Look at NYC, people. They took guns out of criminal's hands AND have strict gun control. No one gets the weapons.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    It's true that guns don't actually kill people. Angry, and mentally, or emotionally challenged people use guns to kill people. They also threaten family members with them, shoot themselves accidentally with them, brandish them in their front yards when they want to show their neighbors that they don't like them and use them to make themselves feel stronger and more in control.