What a bunch of political lunatics who reside in Utah..I would really like to
see a local sheriff try to arrest a federal agent who is enforcing federal
statutes..Talk about bringing a table knife to a gunfight..Let me make myself
clear,I adore firearms,I grew up with them,I have owned some since I was about 8
years old,etc,etc..That being said I do not understand why any sane human being
would insist on owning hand grenades,multiple assault rifles,automatic
weapons,tanks,bazookas,and the like..Does anyone really believe that these
weapons will save them from a full-out military assault from the government?What
I think is that quite a few people need to get some medication for their
paranoia,and never be allowed around any sort of firearm..As for personal
protection if a man needs more than a shotgun or a pistol/revolver,he is not
much of a man...Guns are not toys and in my opinion they should not be owned for
personal pleasure or to enjoy a Saturday afternoon at the gun club..They are
essential,deadly tools,no more or less..
We need to get rid of all of the above.
According to polls, most of America is in favor of gun/violence control. Even
moderate NRA members favor a number of policies President Obama and Vice
President Biden are proposing.We are extremely fortunate to have an
extremely intelligent, innovative, fearless President who will not be
intimidated by the radical conservative right wing.Many radical
conservative right wing media personalities and politicians seem to
underestimate President Obama and what he can accomplish. Remember.......Barack Obama was able to put National Healthcare in
place......and he now presides over the nation in his second term as the leader
of the greatest country in the world.
Given how Obama and the Federal government have handled our money and every
other relevant issue and responsibility on the horizon, who in their right mind
REALLY believes that they're capable of doing anything productive regarding
public safety, school safety, or anything else? Are there still people out
there who are naive enough to think these people really know what's best
for the country? Besides ignoring rights and reality, to what extent is this
just another distraction to avoid talking about the spending cuts that will be
necessary to salvage what's left of the country?
Anybody who took the time to actually read the U.S. Supreme Court in District of
Columbia v. Heller (June 26, 2008) holding that Americans have an individual
right to keep and bear arms under the 2nd Amendment would discover that what
President Obama is proposing regarding gun restrictions is Constitutionally
According to polls is a lie, they are never based on fact or the truth, actions
of americans are the only evidence needed to refute these so called polls. They
tend to confuse violence and gun legislation and controls as relative to any
poll on violence.Our congressmen are right to temper emotions and
judgement with sensible thought and prudence with the exception of Matheson, he
is playing political party doctrine against inalienable Constitutional laws.Among all the accusation and claims, any law restricting access to
defending ones self or their country the mental state and criminal past is
irrelevant. We all have this inalienable right regardless of our history and
past. Criminals are incarcerated and mentally challenged labeled individuals
have the same rights as any citizens of this Courtnay regardless of age or
mental state.Mental state is a subjective and irrelevant issue as we
are all subject from time to time in unstable actions but that does not make us
mentally unfit as this law implies. A trick law to disarm Americans by designed
government standards with off the cuff unconstituitonal legislation giving the
government the power to create and label mental standards as they see fit.
I'm reading how moderate Republicans are saying how much sense the
President is making. They are saying that their party should not oppose the
proposals just because they were offered by Obama. The president was elected by
a wider margin of victory (both times) than were Truman, Kennedy, Nixon (first
election), Carter, Reagan (first election) and G. W. Bush (both times). The
right wing Republican crowd can keep up their corrosive, anti-American efforts,
but in the end, the American people will back President Obama and the GOP will
become increasingly marginalized.
If any gun bill is to be passed, I ask our Utah delegation tohelp attach
an amendment to it legalizing silencers sohunters don't suffer
hearing loss.Please don't further restrict guns for good
people. Workinstead to give the mentally ill the treatment they need.
I ask our Utah delegation to try to make silencers legal. This wouldhelp
prevent hearing loss by hunters. I also ask that they work toensure the
mentally ill get the help they need.Please do not further restrict
the rights of good people tohave guns.
Currently, proposals for greater gun safety may not go far enough.There is a big hole in the proposals that can still allow violent people to
possess guns. People are not restricted from owning and packing until they have
been convicted of a FELONY.But there are many who have long records
of domestic violence and other violent acts whose actions have not yet reached
the level of a felony. They may have long records of violent MISDEMEANORS but
have not -- yet -- been convicted of a felony. When that finally happens it may
well be too late for their victims.In addition, many active gang
bangers with long misdemeanor records may legally pack.Should we
take a look at expanding the no gun rules to people with violent records even
though they have not been convicted of a felony?
Re:TimothyReally?" hand grenades,multiple assault
rifles,automatic weapons,tanks,bazookas,and the like.."The item
on your list that makes any sense in the context of the current discussion is
"multiple assault rifles". Way to go to the fringe there!"As for personal protection if a man needs more than a shotgun or a
pistol/revolver,he is not much of a man" I guess if I am a real
man I just rip my shirt off and wrestle the threat to the ground! What a
laugh!"Guns are not toys...should not be owned for personal
pleasure or to enjoy a Saturday afternoon at the gun club..They are
essential,deadly tools,no more or less.."Wow...pretty narrow in
your world view there! Guns were definitely recreational for me growing up.
Aren't there Olympic events involving the sport of shooting? Why, yes
there are!"..believe that these weapons will save them from a
full-out military assault from the government?" Ask the Afghans."...I adore firearms,I grew up with them,I have owned some since I was
about 8 years old,etc,etc.." Somehow, in the context of your
other remarks, this sounds disingenuous.
MyChildrensKeeper said:"Among all the accusation and claims, any law
restricting access to defending ones self or their country the mental state and
criminal past is irrelevant. We all have this inalienable right regardless of
our history and past. Criminals are incarcerated and mentally challenged labeled
individuals have the same rights as any citizens of this Courtnay regardless of
age or mental state."Perfect example of illogical thinking and a
good reason to restrict mentally challenged folks from arming themselves. Much
like the man who shot his neighbor for "psychically raping his wife in her
sleep." Your partisanship is hilarious "Our congressmen are
right to temper emotions and judgement with sensible thought and prudence with
the exception of Matheson."This is the same Utah lunatics who
thought we should change MLK day to Browning Gun Day.
Well Grundle, I grew up on the Outer Banks of North Carolina in a very isolated
community where most of the recreation we had was hunting and fishing..I still
have the Savage .22 rifle that my Grandfather gave me on my 8th birthday..He
liked squirrel and rabbit and he expected me to provide these delicacies on a
regular basis..Also the three shotguns I have were obtained by me before I
entered the Navy at age 17...My pistol and revolver came before I was 25..As to
the Afghans we ran over them in about 10 days and we still have our boots on
their necks at this very moment...Yes,some people see firearms in a recreational
context,I do not..To me they are lethal weapons to be used only when needed;i.e.
to hunt or defend ones self...I am a bit curious though,what sort of threat have
you ever faced(personally) that you could not repel with a sidearm or
buckshot...You are correct in one thing,I am a real man and I do not scare
easily..Especially from the NRA propaganda machine..
For there to be no survivors (wounded) coming out of Sandy Hook should make us
all realize that the children and the teachers were all killed in an execution
style method. For all those who read the Book of Mormon, I have a
question.What is it you do not understand about the fact that
'secret works of darkness and murder and abominations" exists in a
rogue element of our government at it's highest levels?
Barry is arguably the most power hungry President this country has ever seen. He
has shown time and again, that he will do anything to make a name for himself.
His sole agenda has been to rip apart any and all things that conservatives have
enacted or going after the constitution as he sees fit. I still remember that
during the first campaign, his priority was fixing the economy. When he
couldn't do that after 4 years, he is now going to go after anything that
he can stake his name to. This is just the beginning. Instead of trying to fix
the most important things like the economy, he went on an "apology tour"
and basically tore apart the last 100 years of what our service men died for.
America in just 4 short years has lost it's Swagger. We have become a
laughing stock internationally. When Reagan uttered his famous phrase after
bombing Quaddafi in the 80's ( "he counted on America to be passive, he
counted wrong") it ultimately lead to the end of the Cold War, America was
Bad A. Now, Barry has become passive. The future is very bleak indeed
joseywales said: "When Reagan uttered his famous phrase after bombing
Quaddafi in the 80's ( "he counted on America to be passive, he counted
wrong") it ultimately lead to the end of the Cold War, America was Bad A.
Now, Barry has become passive. The future is very bleak indeed."Yeah we need more wars and more agression locally and globally?
"apology tour" the one that never happend except on fox news?"America in just 4 short years has lost it's Swagger."Since
when did our nation adopt the "Clint Eastwood" approach to diplomacy?
Oh yeah that last president Dick Cheney and his little buddy.
I think the comments by our representatives in this article are very much
representative of the astute citizens that they represent.
For years I've heard the NRA and gun enthusiasts say "we don't
need more gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books."
Meanwhile, Republicans, at the behest of the NRA, has slowly but
steadily tried to dismantle gun safety measures and made it more difficult to
enforce current laws. How? A)Reportedly, the NRA
lobbied Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), then chairman of the House
Judiciary Committee, to insert a provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization in
2006 that changed the position of ATF director from one appointed by the
administration to one confirmed by the Senate. For the past six years, the
Senate has not confirmed the nominees for ATF director by Obama or Bush. The
current acting director also serves as the U.S. attorney for the district of
Minnesota. B)The number of agents is no greater than it was in the
70's and takes up to eight years between inspections of gun stores because
of a lack of personnel. The agency also is prohibited from creating a searchable
computer database for gun ownership records, according to current and former ATF
Obama and Biden aren't concerned about decreasing violent crime - only
banning guns. Once you understand this basic premise then all the gun-banning
legislation makes total sense. Anyone doing HONEST research knows that Chicago
banned guns and violent crime went WAY up so obviously if Obama were doing
honest legislation aimed at reducing violent crime this statistic would be sited
and used. The pattern of Barack Obama is obvious over the past several years -
use a crisis to pass some ideology saturated legislation. It happens over and
over. There stands Barack using kids as props in front of his trusty media. If
the man is anything he is predictable. Utah and other states are going to have
to slam Obama's fingers on gun banning until we finally get his attention.
I swear every time I turn around Obama is fighting the states over some issue.
It would be nice - just once - to feel like the man is on our side but
don't hold your breath. The real war in this country is with the radical
left and their king Obama and it's attempt to destroy the US constitution.
Hey patriot: Can and will you show where it was said by the
President that he was out to take your guns. Allso with that neet little show
the NRA put on about the Presidents children was there not from him about the
goverment helping to get people to protect the schools? Or is it that you have
such a hate for the President that you can not see past what FOX news and AM
radio is saying or are you just aNRA lemming that only hears what you want? And
the kids wrote letters to him and ask him to help stop the violene oh but the
NRA or Fox let you know that did they. You truely neen to find a new news
station like CNN.they tell the truth a lot more than FOX.
Patriot and others like him cannot show us anything, not here, because they
actually have nothing to show but blathering nonsense.
Re:patriotChicago's 28 yr ban on handguns was overturned in
2010.In 1991, Chicago Police data show, 943 persons were murdered,
up 1.6 percent from 1990. That’s 2.58 murders per day. From there, the
city seemed to stanch some of the bloodshed. The number of murders dropped to
855 the next year, but rose again nearly 9 percent to 931 in 1994. The number of
murders dropped to a more manageable 633 in 2000 (less than two murders per
day), rising to 667 in 2001. By 2007, the number had dropped to 448, rising to
513 in 2008 and landing at 433 in 2011. Shootings have increased 12
percent this year and homicides are up 19 percent.In a study, U. of
Chicago researchers combed through gun-trace data to determine the weapons most
likely bought by straw purchasers.Those are people without criminal
records who buy guns for felons — often at a hefty markup.Fifty-eight percent of those recovered guns were bought in Illinois. About 19
percent were purchased in Indiana, 3 percent in Wisconsin — and less than
2 percent in Mississippi.
Happy Valley Heretic- When a bunch of Patriots signed the Declaration of
Independence and told the English to.... So, we were Clint Eastwood before Clint
Eastwood was cool.
It would be nice if removing guns would help, but homicide rates consistently go
up with gun control.In many states the ACLU prevents incarceration in
institutions of mentally ill. Likewise judges and psychologists. If I were a
teacher I would carry unbeknown to the students. These so called assault guns
are are simple semiautomatic and their cartridge is smaller than hunting rifles.
I have had a concealed handgun license issued by the State of Texas for about 10
years. My comment is in reply concerning domestic violence. Texas will not issue
a concealed handgun license to anyone who has been convicted of domestic
violence nor to anyone having had a restraining order placed upon him (her).
These measures help to protect victims of domestic violence before it escalates
to that point where one says it was just too late to stop this crime. I believe
that gun ownership is a constitutional right that all Americans have a right to.
But some have shown they can not be trusted with that right. If they want to
hurt someone let them get a baseball bat or a steak knife, but not a concealed
handgun. Placing restrictions on those with domestice violence actions has
worked well in Texas. I see no reason why it would not work as well in Utah.
Restricting those who have committed acts of domestic violence from being able
to carry a concealed handgun does no harm to those who obey the law, but it can
do a great deal to protect innocent victims, before it becomes "too