Well the mwc may want BYU but BYU sure doesn't want the mwc.
It's doubtful BYU would even consider rejoining the MWC as long as Craig T
is still the commish.
That makes me laugh, they want BYU now, they didn't want to work with BYU
at all before, why would BYU go back.
Why would BYU want to come back? Easy: Automatic BCS Berth. There are only a
few good teams in that conference, which gives BYU a good chance of going to a
BCS game on a fairly regular basis. As an independent, they have to basically
go undefeated. Hmmmm. Undefeated to go to BCS or one or two losses and still
in a BCS game? Easy choice.
Reasons for BYU to go back to the MWC1. Less money2. Less
exposure3. Ability to play lousy teams in November4. Abuse by the
league and some really obnoxious low class schools5. Get to play in
Laramie6. Get to play UNLV, New Mexico, CSU and Wyoming in football7. Fewer games against ND, GTech, Virginia, Texas, Oregon State, etc.8.
Not have to watch the games in HD on ESPN with a national audience.That does it for me. Let's go back!
BYU had a really good defense this year. Terrible offense. If the Y could fix
it's offense and return to being the old BYU I think they could actually
get consideration to join a decent conference like the BIG 12. It would mean
going undefeated in their schedule as an independent and getting into a BCS game
(like Louisville did this year) and winning. Essentially doing what the U did
winning two BCS games and then getting an invite to the Pac12. The Mountain West
is a joke - more of a joke than before. Small time football and returning would
be like retuning to job you quit a few months earlier. If the Y doesn't fix
things soon and do what is necessary to get into a BCS conference I see football
going away simply because of money and the fact that the talent level will
continue to fall.
Naval VetWhat a surprise that your BYU-hatred caused you once again
misread the tea leaves.The only reason Boise St insisted on the MWC
giving SDSU the first option to return to the conference is because SDSU helped
Boise St. gain entrance to the Big West Conference when the Broncos were
desperate for a home for BSU's other sports teams.The truth is,
you couldn't care less where any team plays as long as it somehow
@Naval VetThat's quite that scenario you painted. However, I
don't know why a conference would want a local team from San Diego with a
marginal record over a team with a clear national following and a somewhat
storied program. Tom Holmoe is looking more like the cool genius every passing
day. The BYU schedule is fantastic (albeit deadly) next year. I
get tired of the over-inflated sense in of confidence from some of my BYU
friends. They haven't won a big game in very long time. That being said,
their program is in great shape.I would love to see BYU back in the
MWC and move that BYU/USU game to November. Clearly BYU needs something
interesting on their schedule in November. That is a great game every year and
would be even better in November. That would kind of leave the U of U out in
the cold. If they don't get over just BEING in the Pac 12 and start
actually winning some games, they will become a rich afterthought for fans in
Oh Naval Orange..You clearly are Insecurity Personified!
A 12 team football conference with a championship game is ideal. The Y's
vanity will continue to be its downfall. San Diego will get the nod.
Interesting, not a chance but however.1. We got many good games to
play 2013 and beyond (depends on realignment). Stay Independent.2. BYU
should rejoin MWC (NON Football) but Craig Thompson must go and no contract
agreement. I think Dave Rose would be happy to face Dave Rice unlv.3. Keep
all tv rights at all home espn and live/replay BYUtv.4. Big 12 or Pac come
calling so can can move on.
Naval Vet says BYU has an uninteresting home schedule. Yeah I'd hate to be
forced to games next season against Texas, Utah, Boise State, and Georgia Tech.
Besides that, we're only playing Utah State, Virginia, Houston, Wisconsin,
and Notre Dame on the road. Yawn, right Naval Vet?
The MWC just became the new sixth powerconference. That deal was not just meant
for BSU, but for BYU and every other independent out there that might be
listening.The MWC is surely the best of the best now of the
"group of 5," which means they are all but the sixth automatic BCS bid
conference. Add the fact they have 6 non-BCS bowl games, and you have a mighty
powerful conference right there. Play their cards right, however, and the MWC
might just make out like bandits in this game of musical chairs.Indeed, BYU should be a no brainer. BYU would be having their cake and eating
it too. It is a win-win no matter how you look at it. But why stop
there? Think big:East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP, Army, Navy, SMU,
Houston, New Mexico, Norte Dame (why not?) West: BYU, BSU, U State,
Nevada, Wyoming, UNLV, SJSU, SDSU, FresnoDrop Hawaii since you
don't need any "football only" schools.Add Gonzaga and
St. Mary's (west) and two schools (east) from the former Big East as
@Go Big Blue!!!Fortunately (or unfortunately), the administration at
the Y is a tad smarter than the fan base. It is a no brainer for the Y to rejoin
at this juncture...A NO BRAINER. I look forward to new independents signing up
as well, namely Army and Navy in an "East Division" with Air Force.East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP, Army, Navy, SMU, New Mexico, Notre Dame (why
not?), Houston West: BYU, BSU, U State, Nevada, Wyoming, UNLV, SJSU,
SDSU, FresnoDrop Hawaii since you don't need any "football
only" schools.Add Gonzaga and St. Mary's (west) and two
schools (east) from the former Big East as non-football members.
Get back to work you little do bees. Your nap time is over.
Personally, I see going after large independents and disgruntled C-USA or Big
East members a no brainer at this point.East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP,
Army, Navy, SMU, New Mexico, Houston West: BYU, BSU, U State,
Nevada, UNLV, SJSU, SDSU, FresnoIntstead of the Mountain West, call
it the "Mountain Counference."Drop Hawaii since you
don't need any "football only" schools. Ideally, drop Wyoming as
well.Add Gonzaga and St. Mary's (west) and two great basketball
schools (east) from the former Big East as non-football members.With
that line-up go after a Notre Dame (east) combined with a Cal, Utah or Colorado
defection from the PAC.
I hope SDSU gets hung out to dry with this Big East decision. Local SDSU fans,
all 10 of them, get all excited about a "3-peat" in going to a bowl
game, yet they still routinely have 25,000-30,000 fans for a game, in a stadium
that can hold 60K+. Why would the MWC be attracted with that type of local
"support" when the Cougs routinely have 50K+ fans and a strong national
following for the away games.
Waiting for more fallout still looks wise...The real influence will be the
Catholic Conference if that materializes. Who knows, they may even invite BYU. I
think the current Football Independent and WCC all other sports is a great
marriage. If the Catholic Conference does not happen, keep waiting for something
better. THE MWC is NOT better!
LindonMan:2014: UVa, Houston, USU, Hawai'i, So. Miss, UNLV2015: BSU, USU, Cincy, tbd, tbd, tbdRiveting.In the
MWC, you would have played USU, Hawai'i, and UNLV anyway -- and perhaps
even Houston -- in 2014, and seen BSU and USU on your 2015 schedule as well. So
do former C-USA teams with the occasional weak ACC team what makes cougar fans
I don't think any of the folks who made comments so far can really see the
big picture. BYU should make a Notre Dame/ACC deal with the Mountain West. In
other words, BYU football stays independent for football while guaranteed 3-5
games against Mountain West teams in November when its hard to schedule decent
teams. In exchange, BYU keeps its television rights and all other sports move
back to the Mountain West. Yes, the Mountain West is a bit weak, but it takes
care of the November football scheduling problem and the Cougars stop playing in
high school gymnasiums in the West Coast Conference. Maybe BYU can stay on good
terms with the West Coast Conference and continue to play their better teams for
men's basketball, and women's volleyball and soccer. Playing SDSU, Air
Force, Boise State, San Jose State, Utah State, Hawaii, and Nevada sure beats
playing New Mexico State, Idaho, Weber State, Middle Tennessee, Houston, and
Southern Miss in November. If Notre Dame had to make an alliance due to future
scheduling difficulties, so do the Cougars. I can see somewhat like this
happening. Just watch and you'll remember my crystal ball prediction.
Nothing to see here.BYU would be going backwards if they joined the
Mtn West for football.They have proven they can schedule very good
teams and compete even with a weak offense and make very good money doing it.If BYU can rejoin the Mtn West for the "olympic sports" then
they should, but I'm not sure the conference would be interested in a
So. Cal Reader:"Why would the MWC be attracted with that type of
local 'support' when the Cougs routinely have 50K+ fans and a strong
national following for the away games."Only 35K fans showed up
to the Poinsettia Bowl, and THAT included the HOME TEAM who averaged over
30K/game.What? Were there only about 5K Mormons in the San Diego
metro area now? Seems like there were a lot more back when I was stationed
Rafinsure makes an excellent point.BYU is following the Notre Dame
model of independence, albeit on a much smaller level with BYU's national
following (yes, much smaller than ND, but much larger than most D1 schools)I'm not sure the Mtn West would agree to such terms similar to the
ACC did with ND since ND is well, ND. But it certainly is worth it to propose
such.But to be a football member as they once were would be the
wrong direction. Been there, done that.
ND didn't do the ACC alliance because of scheduling difficulties. They
had/have USC lined up every Nov/Dec and the ACC teams were already altering
their schedules to play ND in Dec. ND said they did the alliance to get better
bowl access for the years that they don't make the BCS. Maybe they could
also see that the Big East was about to implode so that the ACC would be a
better home for their olympic sports.I think football scheduling
will work out fine even without joining the MWC, but at this point the MWC would
be a major upgrade for basketball. Naval Vet - finding happiness in
someone else's challenges/misfortunes is not the path to inner peace and
happiness. if we joined the MWC then you would still mock the Cougs for not
being in the PAC 12. Too bad the Navy didn't teach you better than that.
Navel VetWe all know you are obsessed with BYU's future
schedules, but you can stop fretting, because BYU fans are perfectly content
about not being able to play in Laramie.Playing teams like Notre
Dame, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Boise State, Utah (occassionally), West Virginia, and
Michigan in years to come will help ease the angst of not playing the Cowboys.
I don't think an 8-5 football team that went 2-2 against MWC teams would be
taking a step down if they joined the MWC. In fact, they would probably be
stepping up their game.It is funny that some think BYU would be
doing the MWC a big favor by "letting" BYU play in the MWC for all other
sports. Really, if anything, the MWC conference should cut ties from BYU if
they don't rejoin, which would make BYU an honorary member of the Sun Belt,
C-USA, and MAC should they stay independent.Personally, I think SDSU
is coming back, and I wouldn't at all be shocked if BYU rejoins since
Holmoe isn't finding his phone ringing off the hook for teams to come to
Provo. If there is sanity and true vision at BYU--they will rejoin the MWC. If
the inmates are running the asylum--which very will might be the case, look
forward to a budding rivalry with the Blue Raiders of Middle Tennessee State.
@Naval LintSeriously, your rants are just boring and tedious at this
point.And your resume is dubious.Now go on now and see if your
Utes can ever win a Conference Championship in any sport.
Craig Thompson is one of many reasons not to go back the MWC.
WildcatWhat makes you think BYU cares what you or any other jealous
BYU-hater thinks?Seriously, there's absolutely no reason why
playing in Laramie would ever interest BYU fans again.Pull back the
covers of the so-called "sweetheart" deal the MWC is offering Boise
State, and you'll discover that it doesn't even come close to what BYU
already has as far as television rights.BYU has already weathered
the storm of the first two years of Independence and is just now beginning to
enjoy the full benefits of not having to worry about having a lame conference
commissioner like Craig Thompson dictate when and where BYU will be allowed to
broadcast its games.
Naval Vet, Looks like your striking some nerves with the ankle
biters....keep up the good work! Nice to be in real conference and not
fighting over the scraps of the Big East and MWC desperately trying to gain some
@NavalI'm living in SD but am a BYU fan. I went to the
Poinsettia Bowl. There were nearly as many BYU fans as SDSU fans there. I was in
a suit and could see the entire bowl level was filled. Yes, the upper level
wasn't, but it isn't for Charger games either now-a-days.In fact, only two of the first 10 bowl games had higher attendance, and this
was a down year for BYU fans (8-5) to be following their fans to a bowl game.How many fans followed your Utes to a bowl game this year?
No news here, everyone wants us.
@Naval Vet,2013: Va, Texas, Utah, Ga Tech, Houston, Boise St.,
Wisconsin, Notre Dame2014: Texas, Va, Houston, Boise St., So. Miss., 2015: Nebraska, Michigan, Cinci...September and October better
than ever, Novembers will be tough. Otherwise, don't know what your talking
about....Then again, if I lived in Philly, I'd be in a bad mood
@Wildcat, yeah, I don't think the MWC is going to formally boycott BYU.
They would slapped with an antitrust suit faster than you can say
"BYU's lawyers are a piece of work."
Go for it. Better a alightly bigger fish is small pond than tiny fish in big
pond and nothing to play for.
BYU should jump on this deal. They won't get a better one. They are an
average football with an LDS base -- not a non-Mormon national base -- and their
schedule next year is only good if you're a fan of their opponents.
They're never going to the Pac-XX conference (haven't we beaten that
to death over the last 20 years) or the Big-12. Take what you can get.
The Mountain West is now the Boise State Conference. The Broncos own the MWC
having asked for its soul in order to return, and they got it. BYU is never
going to be subservient to a mediocre Regional University (#69) playing in a
small stadium with a rabid local following. Seriously, who wants to see more
CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, conference games. BYU has to do all they can to show
themselves as superior to the MWC in facilities, and tradition in order to
recruit kids who would never consider the mid-majors. In order to matter the
Cougars have to compete vs the PAC
BYU should only consider this IF the MWC gets new leadership and TV rights are
contractually worked out. Otherwise, independence still looks much more
promising than what the MWC offered in the past.
Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this is being floated by ESPN, one day
after the BSU story of wanting SDSU?ESPN has their nose everywhere in
college football and conferences. ESPN has BYU wrapped around its finger. CBS is
buddies with the MWC. I see this story as a trial ballon and not much else.
That would be totally awesome. And great.
What is all this complaining about Laramie? If it had a 60,000 seat stadium, it
would very much be like Provo, except the people would be more authentic and
less arrogant. Oh well, enjoy the crazy crusade of independence!
Utah is the team that should go back to the MWC. That Pac-12 thing just
ain't workin' out.
This just in . . . the Big 12 really want the Cougars they just haven't had
time to get around to it . . . if it wasn't for the travel distance the SEC
wants the Y . . . the Pac 12 wanted BYU but were afraid that the Y would make
them look bad . . . did I mention that the Big 12 is pining away for the Y . . .
Naval Vet,Byu's "uninteresting" home schedule next year
includes Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Middle Tenn State and Utah. There
will be at least one more home game next year as well. MTS is a dog but that is
otherwise a solid home schedule.
caleb in new york:"...if we joined the MWC then you would still
mock the Cougs for not being in the PAC 12. Too bad the Navy didn't teach
you better than that."It's true. They don't teach
Naval personnel to not make fun of the cougars. Or at least they didn't
back while I was on active duty.So do you think they should?
eastcoastcoug:"2014: Texas, Va, Houston, Boise St., So.
Miss.,...2015: Nebraska, Michigan, Cinci..."Sorry coug. Looks
like you either weren't following along with the conversation, or are
simply trying to pull a fast one.I said should the MWC keep the
cougars out, that "...should ensure the cougars are left trolling for
one-off and 2-for-1 arrangements with relevant teams, and scrounging around the
FCS and the Sun Belt (Murfreesboro?) to fill out the remainder of their
uninteresting Home schedule."LindonMan responded, "Naval Vet
says BYU has an uninteresting home schedule," and listed the Y's 2013
Home schedule....but conveniently left out their 2014 or 2015 Home schedule. So
I filled in the blank spaces he left.Now you come back here and drop
a list of 12 games ALREADY previously mentioned, plus an additional 4 games that
are in fact NOT Home games, but rather primarily one-offs and 2-for-1s. You DID
know that we were discussing "uninteresting Home schedule(s)" here
Lightening Lad:"BYU has to do all they can to show themselves as
superior to the MWC in facilities, and tradition in order to recruit kids who
would never consider the mid-majors."If a kid would never
consider a mid-major, how would they ever wind up in Provo? The cougars are
mid-majors forever, remember? Just because the cougars left the MWC for
Indy-irrelevance doesn't mean they're not still mid-majorey. Only
Notre Dame is considered above the "mid-major" ranks. The cougars
dropped down to Army/Navy status....only without all the national adolation that
follows a service academy.
Even better.Byu ought to follow ND's lead and stay indy in
football only but agree to play 5-6 games every year with the MWC and rejoin
with all other meaningful sports.This would gives good games at the
end of the year.Best of both worlds.
It's interesting that the majority of comments from fans obsessed with BYU
joining a conference come from BYU-haters, like Navel Vet, who has already
posted SIX comments on this article alone.Kinda makes you wonder
why they're soooo "concerned" about BYU joining a conference,
rather than remaining Independent.Do they really have BYU's
best interests at heart?
the big nessy:"Byu ought to follow ND's lead and stay indy
in football only but agree to play 5-6 games every year with the MWC and rejoin
with all other meaningful sports."Are you under the assumption
that the Indy-WACers are calling the shots here? I have to laugh at the number
of Y fans who are on here laying down their terms of joining the MWC....before
even being invited! It's as if you all think conferences like the Big 12,
the Big [L]East, and the MWC are vigilently moving heaven and earth just to get
into a DISCUSSION with Holmoe. I got news for you. All they have to do is
simply pick up the phone. His line isn't busy. He's anxiously
awaiting anybody's call.In the workforce, nobody will hunt you
down to give you a big fat raise. You have to WORK for it, you have to EARN it,
and you have to REQUEST it. What cougar fans are essentially doing by laying
down their terms before a discussion or extended invitation would be like
walking into a job interview, and already demanding a raise.
TrueBlue:"Do they really have BYU's best interests at
heart?"In your hard hitting investigation of my opinions of the
Indy-WACers rejoining the MWC, you must have missed my first post on this
thread. There, I said..."I would love to see BSU and SDSU back
in the MWC fold, and for the conference to also poach Houston and SMU from the
Big [L]East, then stand pat as a 14-team conference...That should ensure the
cougars are left trolling for one-off and 2-for-1 arrangements with relevant
teams, and scrounging around the FCS and the Sun Belt (Murfreesboro?) to fill
out the remainder of their uninteresting Home schedule."I think
it's pretty obvious whose interest I have at heart. By keeping the Y OUT
of the MWC, my interest is in the MWC. Not the cougs.
Naval Vet"By keeping the Y OUT of the MWC, my interest is in the
MWC. Not the Cougs."LOL!The truth is, you
couldn't care less about the MWC.NOBODY is "keeping the Y
out of the MWC." BYU could rejoin the MWC anytime they wanted to. The
Cougars simply aren't willing to give up the television rights that
precipitated their leaving the MWC in the first place.
TrueBlueOrem, UTIt's interesting that the majority of comments
from fans obsessed with BYU joining a conference come from BYU-haters, like
Navel Vet, who has already posted SIX comments on this article alone.Kinda makes you wonder why they're soooo "concerned" about BYU
joining a conference, rather than remaining Independent.Do they
really have BYU's best interests at heart?_____________________Perhpas you should ask Duckhunter that also
goes by 2-3 other names here.
EdGradyIdaho Falls, IDUtah is the team that should go back to the
MWC. That Pac-12 thing just ain't workin' out.______________After only two seasons? No wonder BYU fans quit so
early. BYU should go back to the MWC then. They don't exactly seem to be
BCS busting as an independent. Band of brothers = BYU, Idaho & New
WACpaddledThe Band of Brothers has been a Top 25 team and has won
two bowl games since going Independent.Not quite as good as BYU fans
were hoping for, but certainly MUCH better than the unranked, losing seasons the
hilltoppers have managed.The U was PADDLED by the WAC this year,
going winless in the conference.
Wyoming plays football?? NAH!
A large portion of the comments continue to talk about the BCS--which is dead,
being replaced by a 4 team playoff. The "automatic" qualifying program
is out as there will be others making decisions as to who plays where. Having
BYU in the MWC gives them no advantage to playing in a top tier bowl--winning a
tougher schedule as an independent does. Plus they don't have to split
revenue from bowl games with the other conference nobodies. I like the emerging
schedule an until a top tier conference comes calling, I say stand pat. Cougars
just need to develope an offense again that scores some points.
TrueBlue:"The truth is, you couldn't care less about the
MWC...NOBODY is 'keeping the Y out of the MWC.' BYU could rejoin the
MWC anytime they wanted to."It seems as if the "truth"
eludes you. The "truth" is, I DO care about the MWC. Always have ever
since its inaugural season. That doesn't mean I "prefer" it to the
Pac-12. I don't. But I STILL cheer for every MWC team in every game save
those vs. the Pac-12. Here's ANOTHER "truth" for you.
The Indy-WACers CANNOT rejoin the MWC anytime they want. They have to be
invited first. That means, the Indy-WACers can't rejoin the MWC until the
MWC wants. THEM; not YOU.And thus far, no MWC invitation.
Hopefully, there'll NEVER be one.
Snack WAC:"The U was PADDLED by the WAC this year, going winless
in the conference."The U lost to a soon-to-be Top-15 WAC
champion this year, in OT, and effected by a poor Offensive P.I. call that would
have sent the game into 2OT. I'd hardly consider that being
"PADDLED"."PADDLED" would be losing big...something
like 21-52, 24-48, or 10-54.And for what it's worth, we only
lost to ONE WAC team this year. We beat the ony OTHER one back on Sept. 15th,
Seems to me that IF the MWC received BCS status (unlikely as that is) would BYU
reconsider such a move back to the conference they were an original member...and
of course, if they kept their TV rights/money (seemingly tne only thing they did
accomplish through independence) would it be worth it. Otherwise, waiting out
the Big 12 options appears as their only hope right now -Vs- remaining stuck in
the 'huge pool' of hopeless independents...ND nothwithstanding.
Pretty sure every conference wants us more. We have are pick and went to
interdependence by choice.
@Naval VetYour own post makes it clear that it's not your
concern for the MWC that motivates you, but your disdain for BYU. Fair enough.
Haters gonna hate.And also, despite what someone else said, I am a
big fan of Philly. Pat's or Geno's?
Naval Vet"The U lost to a soon-to-be Top-15 WAC champion this
year..."A team BYU BEAT!Utah fans can spin it all
they want, but BYU was 3-1 versus WAC, losing only to another Top 25 WAC team.
At best, Utah would have been 2-2 versus the same WAC teams BYU played.Lame Utah fan hyperbole notwithstanding, the Utes LOST to the ONLY WAC team
they played this year. If Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would
have also lost to San Jose State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon State, and at
least one other team Utah fans would claim that the Utes couldn't possibly
have lost to - see 10-loss Colorado and 10-loss UNLV. Losing to horrible teams
you're not supposed to lose to is what U do.
@ MUSSing with UYou don't know who Utah would have lost to if
they had played BYU's schedule, despite those two brilliant examples from
the past 5 seasons. This argument is silly because even you know that it is
more than likely the Utes would have gone bowling if the schedules were
2ferIt's true, nobody knows how Utah would have fared against
BYU's schedule, or how BYU would have fared against Utah's schedule,
but it's an undeniable fact that Utah would have gone bowling IF the Utes
had beaten the lone WAC team on their schedule, Utah State, a team that BYU
beat.You can spin Whit's losing to 10-loss or bad teams as
"unlikely", but the fact that Whit has already managed that dubious
distinction TWICE in the last 5 years, makes Utah losing to bad teams much more
"likely" than most coaches.Do you have any idea how hard it
is to lose to a 10-loss team?
qball714:"...it's not your concern for the MWC that
motivates you, but your disdain for BYU."Can't I do both?
I've noticed that it's often been extremely difficult for Indy-WACey
fans to comprehend, but Ute fans are more diverse in our thoughts than the
single-minded folks amid your fanbase. We're capable of multiple thoughts
and opinions. Jealous?Truth is, I'm a Utah fan, first and
foremost, and hold secondary allegiance to the Pac-12. Beyond them, I do in
fact love the MWC. And yes, I despise the Y. And I'm capable of feeling
this way all at the same time. I suppose Y fans can only do one."Pat's or Geno's?"Neither. Those 2 cheesesteak
eateries are for tourists. I prefer Tommy's (West Chester), Gator Club
(Philadelphia), and LaSpadas (Woodlyn).
MUSSing with U"A team BYU BEAT!"So? What's
your point? Aren't the Indy-WACers a team UTAH BEAT? If so, it seems to
me that the only fans who regularly post here that can gloat at the Utes would
be the Aggies. And you're not an Aggie. You're an Indy-WACey fan
who'd lost 3 in a row, 8 of the last 11, and have a generation gap in the
all-time series. How miserable for you."Utah would have been
2-2 versus the same WAC teams BYU played...Lame Utah fan hyperbole
notwithstanding"Haha! Typical hypocritical coug. You talk
about lame hyperbole while simultaneously spew out some frantic and emotional
nonsense based on no fact or support whatsoever. If the Utes didn't lose
to any 10-loss teams from the Pac-12, how could you conclude we WOULD have from
someone in the WAC. Cougar logic = oxymoron.
TrueBlueThat is true, the loss to USU hurt Utah in the end. As for losing to 10-loss teams; it's not hard when the year in
2007, the program is just starting to come out of a post BCS lull, the starting
RB has already been lost for the season and the team is running a two QB system
with a guy who turned out to be a bust and another guy who wasn't ready to
come back from an injury sustained in week 1. Last year, Utah's special
team choked. It happens and it's why they play the game. Remember when
BYU got blown out by a 4-win Aggie team in 2010? It's the same thing.
Sometimes teams get beat when they shouldn't.
@Naval Vet"but Ute fans are more diverse in our thoughts than the
single-minded folks amid your fanbase." "And yes, I despise the Y.
And I'm capable of feeling this way all at the same time. I suppose Y fans
can only do one."Arrogant, self righteous, and a hater all at
the same time.Wow: The triple crown of patheticBYU will
be fine without you - the question is: Can you do without BYU as your raison
Naval Vet"So? What's your point?"The
PACy-WACers would have been bowl eligible if they'd beaten the only WAC
team they played.It's laughable that Utah fans are still
gauging the entire success of their program on whether or not they can beat BYU.
Sorry to burst your PACy-WACer bubble, but one game does not a season make.2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl2011 BYU(10-3)
ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
Yes phoenix we get it.BYU fans like yourself are not satisfied with a top
5, top 10 or top 20 finish in the polls. It's top 25 in the polls to
just feel warm fuzzies all over. I think other teams that finish from 20-25
would aspire to do more. But BYU fans are just happy right where they are.Right, one game does not a season make. So stop acting like winning the
USU game is the nation title! How did that San Jose St. beat down on
national TV work for ya? LOL!
Can't we just get along? All of the arguments from Y lovers and haters are
pointless. I get it Naval Vet, Night Owl, etc. all hate BYU and everything
about it. I also get that every Y fan on here loves BYU and everything about
it. Enough. Talk about the article instead of each other.
re: RSLJAZZBYUUTAH 1-3-13I think its byu who thought they were too
good for the MWC. byu couldn't IMO handle being a medium sized
fish in a medium sized pond. They wanted to relive the past and be a goldfish in
a petri dish.Who's laughing now?
Are you kidding me! the chances of BYU going back to the Mountain West are very
slim at best. Their pride and arrogance simply would not allow it. That would be
like admitting that they made a mistake by leaving in the first place. They
simply could not admit that the move was not as divinely inspired as many claim,
but instead a knee-jerk reaction to a PAC snub. Too much pride too little
reality with cougar fans for this to ever happen.
Just to throw something out there from my source here in MWC country. They are currently NOT seriously looking at ANY Texas schools. They have
spoke with SDSU often, very often since BSU has returned. Tulsa looks to
be a strong candidate to be invited in. And (gulp) NMSU. They are
interested in having BYU back, but not as interested as most of the posters here
seem to think. It also sounds to me like 14 teams is what the conference
sees as an ideal amount.Personally, I think BYU is better off
staying independent in football. I see them having no trouble scheduling games
with top programs. As a CSU and AFA fan here on the front range though, I'd
love to have BYU back in the fold. Those decisions however are up to folks with
a much bigger paycheck than mine. I think it will work out either way BYU plays
cableboy764:I don't know who this source of yours is, but it
just doesn't seem plausible to me that the MWC would prefer Tulsa and NMSU
over Houston and SMU.I would think that NMSU's only chance at
obtaining an invite from the MWC would be if the Mtn. West also invited the
Indy-WACers....in order to provide the cougs with an avenue to maintain their
epic year-end matchup on Rivalry Weekend.
Doubtful the MWC wants BYU back. I'd bet that 'source' indicated
in the title of this article is some intern who works in marketing and is hoping
for a bigger advertising dollar that BYU would generate as opposed to any other
option.Note to naval vet; don't fret what cableboy or anyone
else might throw out about new conference members. Instead focus your energy
(read, waste your time) worrying about the chances of your preferred school
remaining in their current conference affiliation. Surely your BYU education
could benefit you in looking for the positives in your chosen allegiance instead
of burning up your time and emotions on bashing what you perceive as lesser
programs. Good luck with life!
Worrying about how to get into a BCS Bowl in football is like a basketball team
worrying about how to get into the NIT tournament. Once the 4-team playoff
starts (over/under on how soon it expands to 8 teams is 4 years), the bowl games
that are not part of the playoff become mere exhibitions. Undoubtedly, some will continue, and some will have higher payouts than
others, but all the focus will be on the playoff.