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Utah Utes men's basketball: Runnin' Utes fall to Arizona State on the road in overtime slugfest

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Washburn played very well but it was still an ugly game and the end result... as expected.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    Crazy ending to regulation and overtime, but it was just ASU's night. Utah gets a 3 point lead with a minute left, then a loose ball finds its way to a pass to Carson, not a good 3 point shooter, who just knocks it down to tie it. Then Dubois finally gets a shot to drop to take the lead in OT only to have Carson do what he does best going to the hole. And at the buzzer, an uncalled blocking foul causes Loveridge to miss a point blank putback that would have won. The defense and rebounding was definitely good enough, but open shots just can't be missed like that. Wash was fantastic, though.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Jahii Carson was probably the best point guard we'll play this year, but Saturday will definitely be the best team we'll play all year. Gonna have to make a lot more than 20 shots in that one, but the defense can definitely compete.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Utah was lucky to be in this game at the end; how many bricks did Utah bang off the glass from long range that somehow found their way into the net? And even with those lucky makes, the Utes still shot a miserable 20 of 58 from the field. Whining about fouls is a joke. ASU was whistled for 15 fouls; the Utes had only 13 fouls called on them.

    Washburn did play well, but he was the lone bright spot in an otherwise dismal Utah performance.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Great hard fought game tonight, but a bummer that the Utes couldn't hit the last shot.
    I'm glad to see Utah competing on the road against a good opponent but it's time to walk away from these games with the W. Saturday's another story, I hope Utah can keep the game against #3 Arizona within 15.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    The Utes need to win one of these close games. They had their chance multiple times tonight but just couldn't pull it off. That put back would have been huge for Loveridge and for this team.

    I'm not expecting they will be able to keep they next game against Arizona close, but here is to hope.

    Go Utes!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    PAC man,

    Is that the best you can do? You crack me up.
    Thanks to you and sammyg for tuning in though, I'm glad you're both enjoying the PAC 12 Network like I am.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    PAC man
    Anaheim, CA

    StGtoSLC

    Utah was lucky to be in this game at the end;

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    Lucky?

    Utah is 8-5, of those 5 losses 4 have come down to the last shot. Even against your team we only lost because we missed shots down the stretch.

    We're playing good defense, but have to start recruiting shooters. Even Loveridge is struggling.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    I guess sammyg and Pac Man don't have families or other important stuff to do. I mean watching Ute games when you are a Ute hater is a pathetic.

    Utah is clearly improving. Not finishing strong against BYU and ASU is concerning. I see playing not to lose rather than playing to win as part of the problem. When you slow down play, it's hard not to think too much down the stretch.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    PAC man, I agree whining about fouls is a joke, see BYU fans' responses to the win over Utah as the ultimate example of that joke. I wasn't whining about it, however, just pointing out that Loveridge got undercut at the rim. That's a call that is almost always made until the last minute of a game, and then it is never called, so I don't argue the no call. And to answer your question: "how many bricks did Utah bang off the glass from long range that somehow found their way into the net?" I saw only one, the first 3-pointer from Dubois in the first five minutes of the game. But just as you and dozens of others do with every Utah game, go ahead and recreate it in your own mind to fit your perception of Utah basketball better, I won't think less of you for it.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Even against your team we only lost because we missed shots down the stretch."

    More Utah fan delusion. U missed shots down the stretch because BYU switched to a match up zone, forcing the Utes into taking bad shots.

    As often happens with inferior teams, they wilt down the stretch against superior teams, even when they have double-digit leads.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    Swoop,

    Kinda scary imagining what will happen when Utah adds more shooters to its roster, right? Enjoy BYUs 3 point win this year ... Things they are a changin'!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:48 a.m.

    Tough loss. The D looked great, I hope our shooting comes around sooner than later.

    A win next game would be a season changer, I won't bet the farm on it though...

  • Utes22 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Very entertaining game last night. I was watching with my brother and couldn't help but think of Utah State's football team last year. Like them Utah is vastly improved but is struggling with learning how to win close cames with the five losses have come by an average of only 3.8 points (19 total). I have no doubt that they will get it figured out and start winning some of these close games. Good luck against Arizona on Saturday.
    Go Utes!!!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    Kinda scary imagining what will happen when Utah adds more shooters to its roster, right? Enjoy BYUs 3 point win this year ... Things they are a changin'!

    So, motorbike, is this your prediction that the u will make it back to the title game? I for one will believe that things they are a changin' when u make it to the big dance and BYU doesn't. I believe u have a long, long, long, long, long wait ahead of you. I believe it will be when you change your name from motorbike to "wheelchair", or "jazzy" or "hoveround".

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Gdog

    Don't kid yourself, I watched the last 4 minutes and overtime. Needed a break from tax work.

    Contrary to your spewing forth of the 'hate speech' and forever whining I've never been a hater of Ute sports, I'm a sports enthusiast. I'm not your typical delusional Ute fan spewing hate towards BYU. I've said it several times, I'm watching more of all sports from all teams. Some of you "fans" go out your way to get riled up over nothing.

    I paid my respects to Washburn, don't push your luck and don't confuse my pragmatic/ ambivalent opinion of Ute sports as hatred. Ute sports speak for themselves.

    Had the Utes won I would have maybe congratulated them but alas... they didn't.

    Are you or anyone else really surprised at the outcome or are we just 'concerned' about losing the close games and the continuing trend?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    sammyg:

    Just admit it. You got caught in your Utah obsession. You watched the whole game last night, and sweated bullets that Utah might have won until the final horn.

    P.S.: There's really not a lot of tax work to be done on January 2nd. You just made that excuse up on the fly.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    motorbike

    "Kinda scary imagining what will happen when Utah adds more shooters to its roster, right?"

    Improving from bad to mediocre isn't what you'd call "scary".

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    gdog3finally

    You need to update your technology. There's this wondrous little device called a remote control that allows viewers to switch stations instantaneously so they can switch from, say, watching the Sugar Bowl, to say, watching the Tempe clang fest, rather than watching boring commercials; although, with the bricks being thrown up by Utah and ASU, the commercials may have been more entertaining.

    Anyway, after all of the fuss from Utah fans about how much Utah had "improved", some of us tuned in just to see what all of the hoopla was about, since so few preseason Utah games were actually televised. As expected, the vast "improvement" we were promised, turned out to be little more than a slight improvement from past seasons. Utah is actually running some offensive plays this year, even though their shooting is still pretty offensive.

    btw,

    Haws, in 35 min last Saturday, by himself, scored 42 points. Utah's entire team, in regulation last night, scored 49.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    @Just the FAX

    "Haws, in 35 min last Saturday, by himself, scored 42 points. Utah's entire team, in regulation last night, scored 49."

    Yeah...against SW Missouri Tech. But I guess that's a good prep game for your conference schedule.

    Question for you: When BYU plays a WCC road game, does the home team or the road team have to show up 30 minutes early to pull the bleachers out?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    "Yeah...against SW Missouri Tech."

    No dear timid sparrow.

    Against Virginia Tech(9-4), a member of the best basketball conference in the country, rather than, Arizona State, a team picked to finish 10th in the weak PAC 12.

    Pull-out bleachers or not, the Utes would still be a bottom dweller in the WCC, just like they are in the PAC.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    Uteanymous, if we're bringing records into it, Arizona State is 12-2, better than VT. VT's other losses were to the worst West Virginia team in years, Georgia Southern, and Colorado State by 36 points. It is hilarious the doom and gloom BYU fans go through with one loss, only to elevate themselves to a title contender with their next mediocre win. Truth is, neither BYU nor Utah is very good. Be careful swallowing that pill.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "Truth is, neither BYU nor Utah is very good. Be careful swallowing that pill."

    That would be a half truth.

    The truth is, Utah has improved from bad to very mediocre and BYU still has a lot of room for improvement, but is still MUCH better than Utah.

    By season's end, BYU, as usual, will have pulled way ahead of the Utes. Haws is just getting started.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Like I said, careful with that pill. It doesn't seem to be going down well.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    The vast difference between BYU and Utah basketball can be summarized in two brief statements.

    BYU fans are accustomed to Dave Rose coached teams winning 25+ games and finishing the season in the NCAA tournament and anything less would be a disappointment.

    Utah fans are accustomed to Utah seasons ending in another train wreck and mass exodus and would be thrilled just to have a break even season.

    The disappointment of losing another game is a bitter pill Utah fans have gotten used to.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    It's laughable that you dug up Va Tech's losses, but completely ignored Va Tech's WINS over:

    Iowa(11-3) 95-79 and #22 Okla St(10-2) 81-71

    Of course, when you're straining at a gnat to formulate a believable bitter pill story of gloom and doom, sometimes you end up swallowing a camel.

    After watching Utah's ugly clank fest last night, it's obvious the Utes will be hard pressed to improve on their predicted 11th place PAC 12 finish.

    Meanwhile, after watching Haws' Jimmeresque performance last Saturday, it's equally obvious that BYU could be a very good team by the end of the season.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Jan. 3, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Just the FAX and Uteanymous:

    He certainly didn't do that against the U, did he? But that is a great night for him, and I'm sure he will have a few more, he's a really good player.

    About the improvement of the Utes, the biggest improvement is on the defensive end. They have improved dramatically. The offense definitely still needs tons of work, but there is no doubt the Utes have improved.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Jordan

    "He certainly didn't do that against the U, did he?"

    No,

    but you're forgetting that after Carlino's timely heroics helped narrow Utah's lead to single digits, when the game was on the line, it was Haws who stepped up and delivered the knockout punches that sealed the win for BYU.

    4:21 Craig Cusick made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Tyler Haws. 55-56 Utah
    2:59 Brandon Davies made Free Throw. Brandon Davies missed Free Throw. 56-56 tie
    2:57 Renan Lenz made Free Throw. Renan Lenz made Free Throw. 56-58 Utah
    2:47 Tyler Haws made Jumper. Tyler Haws made Free Throw. 59-58 BYU
    0:16 Tyler Haws made Free Throw. Tyler Haws made Free Throw. 61-58 BYU
    0:16 - 0:00 Utah clank fest continues. Game over. 61-58 BYU Final

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    phoenix, so because of that we should ignore that VT lost to teams like Georgia Southern just like we're ignoring that BYU was destroyed by a pretty mediocre Florida State team. No, the ACC is not "the best basketball conference in the country," the B1G is. The "weak" Pac-12 is rated near the exact same as the ACC. What is undisputed, though, is that the WCC, despite a very good Zags team, and Santa Clara, San Diego, Saint Mary's and BYU, who I'm told by comment board analysts (but not by any real analysts) are all tourney-worthy teams, is rated behind the Missouri Valley and Atlantic 10 conferences, far, behind.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "phoenix, so because of that we should ignore that VT lost to teams like..."

    No, you should analyze the entire package, rather than cherry-picking results.

    Here's a little eye opener:

    One of the projected tourney teams from the PAC 12, UCLA, lost AT HOME to Cal Poly, 70-68.

    One of the projected tourney teams from the WCC, Saint Mary's, DESTROYED Cal Poly, 86-68.

    According to you, UCLA's ugly home loss to a horrible #193 Cal Poly(5-6) Big West team isn't even worth mentioning, but we're supposed to obsess about BYU's road loss to a decent #105 Florida St(8-5) ACC team.

    The inconsistency of Utah fans is hilarious.

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    btw, Jerry Palm is already projecting BYU, Iowa, Iowa State, and North Carolina as 12th-seed first-round teams.

    BiG(7)
    Big 12(6)
    Big East(6)
    MWC(6)
    ACC(5)
    A10(4)
    SEC(4)
    MVC(3)

    PAC 12(3)
    Projected Champion: Colorado
    At-large bids: Arizona, Oregon

    WCC(2)
    Projected Champion: Gonzaga
    At-large bids: BYU

    BYU isn't a lock for the tourney, but at least the Cougars are once again solidly in the mix.
    Utah, still rebuilding...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Riddles, UCLA has since sent two players packing, and are better for it. Now, with only 8 scholarship players, is that addition by subtraction enough to improve them to a top tier conference team with Arizona, or will injuries and fatigue take their toll? We'll see. But you've only furthered my point that the ACC is very similar to the Pac-12 at this point: one or two great teams, with a few solid ones, and several others with potential for good games but overall are not that great. BTW, the FSU game was a neutral game that FSU had to travel over 1,000 miles for as well. And I have trouble believing any projections that at this point have CU winning the conference over Arizona. Fortunately we'll get a better idea of where both those teams stand tonight.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    Silly cougar fans ... if there's truly nothing to worry about when it comes to Utah basketball, why do they all spend so much time obsessing about it and attempting to convince others to see things their way? Something just isn't adding up, I'm so confused!
    Silly cougars, trix are for kids!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "But you've only furthered my point that the ACC is very similar to the Pac-12 at this point: one or two great teams, with a few solid ones, and several others with potential for good games but overall are not that great."

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but what Riddles really proved is that the PAC 12 is more like the WCC - one great team, a few solid teams, and a scrambled mess of mediocre teams at the bottom.

    Projected bids:

    ACC(5)
    PAC 12(3)
    WCC(2)

    At this point, Gonzaga and Arizona appear to be the only NCAA tourney locks, with 3 or 4 other teams from each conference still in contention for an at-large bid.

    Ironically, the better Utah does in conference, the more likely fewer PAC 12 teams will be picked for the Big Dance. A loss to Utah would be devastating to a PAC 12 bubble team.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    motorbike

    "Silly Cougar fans ...I'm so confused!"

    Thanks for confirming what we have long suspected.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Uteanymous...

    Check your stats...best conference is Big 10 this year.
    Check your stats...ACC is #6 conference.
    Check your stats...PAC 12 is #5 conference.

    VT is picked to finish second to last in the ACC...

    BYU folks make things up. Check out Google...it's fun and easy...

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    indycrimson

    Silly Utes.

    After all of your spin and conference comparisons

    BYU is still projected to be a strong contender for an at large NCAA berth

    and

    Utah is still projected to finish at the bottom of the PAC 12.

    Utah folks live in their own fantasy land. Check out Google...it's fun and easy...

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    There is no way that Utah will play in the post season. Only BYU fans keep suggesting that Utah fans think we will. No Ute fans are crowing about it. We are in a rebuilding period and may make the NIT next year and the NCAA in a few years.

    I think all the Utah fans are saying is that BYU plays pansies in their NAIA type conference...won't even win that, has not played well against good teams and really have only two players worth mentioning.

    Your conference is an embarrassment...it really is.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    I caught this nailbiter at 42 all. That's some high scorin' game. As someone else pointed out that's as many points as what one BYU player scored last weekend.

    BYU scored 92 tonite.

    When was the last time the Ute scoreboard was 'burned in' and tested for that high of a number?

    By the way, what was with the self-imposed exile over several weeks this past football season? Where did you go?

    And yes... I was crunching my personal year end financials for my taxes... aka tax work.