You gotta get wins somewhere I guess. Both the Utes and Cougs are going to
struggle in their respective conferences this year. It's too bad, I
don't think we'll even have a team from Utah in the Big Dance this
year. Montana should top Weber, BYU and Utah only beat the mediocre. Utah
State may be the states only chance and that looks about as bright as my farmers
tan (well maybe not that bright.) Where is Caldwell, Idaho?
C of I didn't stand a chance, but it was good to see Utah do what it was
supposed to do and put a team away (and keep them put away).@Ocoug -
Caldwell is about 30 minutes West of Boise
This is like reporting on an inter squad practice. Caldwell is a suburb of
Nampa, which is a suburb of Boise. Really small...as Arthur said, "you
could carpet the whole town if needed"...Glad the pre-season is
over! We may not win as many games from here on out...but I believe the
pre-season set us up as a team that knows how to play together now. With 10 new
players joining our teo returners from a horrible team. The P12 is going to be
fickle this year. No real standouts after AZ...
Way to take it to those Yotes! This game kind of reminds me of when my 18 year
old brother used to whip me at basketball when I was only 12. The Yotes have an
available slot to play their football team in 2014 if U are interested. Hopefully the Utes will play a more respectable non-conference schedule
Re: CougFanTx Yeah, too bad no one from the Pac 12 cares about anything
someone from BYU has to say. Are you getting ready for the upcomming exciting
games in the HS gyms?
Glad preseason is over ... while I understand why Utah needed to play this kind
of a preseason schedule this year, this last game seemed pointless. Maybe play
them during finals week, but we needed a better team prior to conference play
starting up.That said, it's now time to see how much improvement can
be made throughout conference play. I'd love to see the Utes win half their
home games and a quarter of their road games. That would be about a 7-11
conference record and to me would be a great step forward from last years 6-win
season (3 conference wins). That would also put Utah back at a .500 season
(15-15). I'd take that this year and hope for more improvement next
I'm excited to see what the Utes can do in conference play. They will
definitely exceed the expectations of the media since they were picked to finish
dead last.I think this team will be able to finish in the middle of
the conference somewhere. Arizona is obviously head and shoulders above the
rest of the conference, but their are plenty of other winnable games this
year.I hope the Utes can continue to improve and learn how to play
together. Continue the development of the young players and this team is on its
way to a quick recovery. Wins will help with the recruiting efforts setting the
Utes up for a bright future.It will be interesting to see what type
of improvements the Utes can make to their basketball facilities as well. I
know they have plans for some big improvements just not sure what. The Huntsman
center has some great history but it would be nice if they could make some
" ... Are you getting ready for the upcomming exciting games in the HS gyms?
... "ImaCaMan:Playing in HS gyms is good because it
seems like more people are there as opposed to when 2500 show up in the
cavernous HC to watch the sorry utes. And we'll see the huge crowds that
show up when you come to town in conference play.Oh, nice
"W" against the C of I. You buried those poor guys.
Utahs preseason strength of schedule = BYU season strength of schedule.Enjoy the rest of your year Coug's...SF, SD, Portland, Pepperdine...
The dilusions this pre-season schedule have given some Ute faithful is almost
humorous. Predictions of being able to beat anyone except maybe Arizona?
Predictions of finishing in the middle of the PAC? The only
feathers in your non-conference cap were beating a middle of the MWC Boise St
team, beating a middle of the CUSA SMU team, and playing BYU closer than most
thought. U also lost to a Sac St team that even I thought you would win. Your
pre-season record is one win better than I predicted.The PAC12 is
turning out to be weaker than expected, but there is still no way U finish in
the middle of the PAC. Prediction: Four conference wins, three at home, and an
11th place finish. In fairness, U are playing pretty good D, but the offense is
still weak.re: indycrimson - careful of who you mock. Pepperdine
beat Washington St and SD played CSNR to a closer finish than U did. I noticed
U didn't mention Zags, St Mary's and Santa Clara - all who have a shot
indycrimson"Utahs [sic] preseason strength of schedule = BYU
season strength of schedule."LOL!BYU finishes its
preseason blowing out an ACC team.Utah finishes its preseason
blowing out a junior high team from Idaho.Current RPI#39
BYU(10-4) SOS 27#118 Utah(8-4) SOS 85Thanks for dragging our
preseason SOS down.Good luck on trying to improve on your 3-win
conference record from last season.
ImaCaMan"Yeah, too bad no one from the Pac 12 cares about
anything someone from BYU has to say."Which of course explains
why your entire post consisted of nothing but whining about a comment from a BYU
fan, with not a single word about what a joke it is to pretend that beating a JR
HS team from Idaho is going to get the Utes ready to play Arizona next week.
Solomon my good man!The PAC 12 conference ranking in strength of
teams is #5 of all conferences.The ACC conference ranking in strength of
team is #6 of all conferences.The WCC is #10.VT is ranked
#116...an ACC team? Yes! A good ACC team? No!The worst 3 teams
Utah will play in season are USC #147, Wash #116 and ORST #100.The worst 3
teams BYU will play in season are Port #238, SD #217, LMU #176.The
best 3 teams Utah will play in season are AZ #8, Colorado #19 and OR $42.The best 3 teams BYU will play Zags #13, SClara #53 and St Mary #60.See a pattern here? Lets put the strength of schedule argument to bed. Its
Indy crimson:What's tired is Ute fans talking up the PAC-12
schedule as a prefabricated excuse for losing.
indycrimsonPointless SOS argument, anyway, since the Utes have zero
chance of playing in the post season.
@indycrimsonWay to hit em' with factual data. I find it
hilarious that when several Cougar fans on these threads are hit with facts the
next comments are inevitably comparable to a kid saying, "well my Dad can
beat up your Dad!"
motorbikeUtah fans can live in denial all they want, but the truth
is, the Utes killed any chance they had of playing in the post season with their
pathetic preseason.So beat your chest all you want to about your
mediocre conference schedule, and it is mediocre, but it's not nearly
enough to compensate for your truly pathetic preseason schedule.It's funny how Utah fans run for cover with meaningless "facts",
while completely ignoring reality.BYU still has an excellent change
of playing in the Big Dance.Utah has no chance.
@midpacmajorGo ahead and let us Utah fans know which one of us it
was who had any delusions of playing in the NCAA tourney this year.In
other words, it's you Cougies that bring up the strength of schedule
garbage. It's us Ute fans who simply bring you back to earth that your
overall SOS isn't any better than Utah's due to your lousy
conference.The truth is, if I was a Cougar fan I'd be disappointed
with this year's out of conference scheduling. Knowing what conference you
play in, BYU needs to play a much better out of conference schedule if they ever
plan on not just making the NCAA tourney, but getting a high seed.Utah's a different story, even when they're back to competing at a
higher level it will still never be of extreme importance to have a difficult
preseason schedule. The reason being that the PAC-12 will almost always be a top
5 conference, meaning the SOS is already built in.
motorbike"Utah's a different story, even when they're
back to competing at a higher level..."Call us when that
happens. The Utes have been rebuilding since Majerus left, with nothing but a
train wreck to show for it.Meanwhile, Rose has established BYU as a
perennial 25+ win, NCAA tourney team.With 10-4 record, an RPI of 33,
and a SOS of 26, BYU is well on it's way to continuing that pattern.The Utes, on the other hand, with their pathetic preseason schedule,
have no chance of even playing in the NIT. Keep pretending that not playing
anybody in the preseason is meaningless if it helps you sleep at night, but we
all know that's nothing but a delusional Utah fan fantasy.
Midpac and Motorbike...Utah is ranked #110 vs BYU ranking of #65.Utah SOS is a little above 71.BYU SOS is a little above 74.BYU beat Utah so that makes them the better team this year. I don't see
any of us saying we are better, or were going to make the post season. I
don't even see any of us saying BYU won't make it...I am just
defending our schedule vs there schedule with data.What's up
with all these predictions from down south that are just predictions?I'm lost??
@MUSSing with U"The Utes, on the other hand, with their pathetic
preseason schedule, have no chance of even playing in the NIT. Keep pretending
that not playing anybody in the preseason is meaningless if it helps you sleep
at night, but we all know that's nothing but a delusional Utah fan
fantasy."____Deflecting the BYU SOS conversation by
talking about the current state of Utah basketball doesn't change reality.
But since you went there I'll say it again for you ... virtually every Utah
fan understands that this year is still part of the rebuilding process. Meaning
none of us are planning on our team making any post season tournaments.
motorbikeNeither BYU nor Utah has any control over their conference
schedule, so the only SOS comparisons that matters as far as scheduling is
concerned are preseason schedules.ESPN ranked preseason schedules
for every D1 program on a scale of 1 (best) to 10 (worst).BYU's
preseason schedule was ranked a 2 (one of the best in the country).Utah's preseason schedule was ranked a 10 (one of the worst in the
country).It doesn't matter what the SOS actually turned out to
be, because those were the expectations when the schedules were set up.Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the truth is, BYU's
preseason schedule was designed to help BYU improve its NCAA tournament
prospects, while Utah's preseason schedule was designed to pad Utah's
win total with no regard, whatsoever, to improving Utah's RPI.Current RankingsPomeroy#61 BYU#164 UtahMassey#49 BYU#128 UtahSagarin#63 BYU#109
UtahCollege Basketball Ranking Comparison (38 polls)#53 BYU#108 UtahBYU still has some work to do, but the Cougars are on
track for an NCAA berth.Utah is rebuilding, but how many years have
the Utes been using that as an excuse?
Just the FAX ..."Utah is rebuilding, but how many years have the
Utes been using that as an excuse?"The answer is two. We've
been using the rebuilding "excuse" for all of two years ... before that
we were simply frustrated at what we all felt was an underachieving
team/program. What would you like us to call it when we have had
virtually two entirely new teams the last two seasons?And as for
this comment of yours; "the only SOS comparisons that matters as far as
scheduling is concerned are preseason schedules." You're entirely
wrong. See that's the great thing about being in a strong conference, you
don't need to go crazy with building a difficult preseason schedule. Now in
BYU's case, they DO need to worry about their preseason schedule... see
Gonzaga for an example of what a WCC team should be doing. So your posted stats
are wonderful but are simply as they should be at this point in the season.
Let's talk at the end of the year and revisit your above comment about
preseason SOS comparisons being the only thing that matters.
Just the FAX, how many times does it need to be said that the Utes had no
delusions about a tournament run this year? There was much more to do with
building the nonconference schedule than just padding the win-loss record, it
was about giving the team as many different looks as they could to build the
team into the system that Larry K has in mind. Yes, Willamette and College of
Idaho were nothing more than a dry run to start the season and to refocus coming
off of Christmas break, 75% of the teams in the country do the same thing. SMU
was scheduled as a home-home series in the same season because they're a
team a lot like us: rebuilding with an NBA coach in more of an NBA than a
college system. CSUN, Boise State, are both teams with very different looks that
can be very successful at running their game and scoring in bunches. The dead
horse of nonconference scheduling was beaten long ago, get over it already.
motorbikeSorry, pal, you're way off.The Utes have
been using the rebuilding excuse for most of the last 8 years - mass defections
from the program and incredibly embarrassing losses almost every year.The Utes didn't "under-achieve". They simply weren't any
good to begin with.You're only fooling yourself if you think
Utah's preseason schedule is meaningless. There's absolutely no way
the Utes can dream of ever getting a high seed in the NCAA tourney without
playing a decent preseason schedule. Of course, when U have absolutely no chance
of playing in the post season anyway, it doesn't really matter if you
intentionally schedule junior high school teams just to pad your win total.
StGtoSLC"There was much more to do with building the
nonconference schedule than just padding the win-loss record, it was about
giving the team as many different looks as they could to build the team into the
system that Larry K has in mind."More delusional spin.coach small k and Hill scheduled a bunch of patsies to pad Utah's win
total and help the Utes gain a little confidence. Except for BYU, not a single
preseason opponent was expected to be in the RPI Top 150. In fact, most of
Utah's preseason opponents finished below 250 last season. Several turned
out to be better than, which is why the Utes still couldn't manage 10 wins
against what was expected to be one of the worst preseason schedules in the
phoenix, you're going to believe what you wish. Coaches know a lot more
about the teams they schedule than just what computer generated number they were
assigned the previous year. Unfortunately for you, that's all of you have.
StGtoSLC, You're exactly right. It's hilarious at how many times
we Ute fans can explain to our Cougar friends that we know our team is down at
the time, and that we admit to having a weak preseason schedule this year.
What's crazy is that guys like Phoenix, Just the FAX, MUSSing with U and
Duckhunter are still so obsessed with "the worst team in a major
conference." If the Cougs are so heads and shoulders above the Utes,
you'd think they wouldn't click on the article let alone leave a
comment. I guess that 3 point home victory over the lousy Utes got under their
skin a bit.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahindycrimsonPointless SOS
argument, anyway, since the Utes have zero chance of playing in the post
season.-----------Your Cougars have about the same chance,
slim to whittman. Could you atleast change your screen name? How sad, trying to
act like a Utah fan, while continually bashing the school.