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Utah Utes men's basketball: Runnin' Utes bounce back in a big way vs. College of Idaho

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  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 28, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    You gotta get wins somewhere I guess. Both the Utes and Cougs are going to struggle in their respective conferences this year. It's too bad, I don't think we'll even have a team from Utah in the Big Dance this year. Montana should top Weber, BYU and Utah only beat the mediocre. Utah State may be the states only chance and that looks about as bright as my farmers tan (well maybe not that bright.)

    Where is Caldwell, Idaho?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:17 a.m.

    C of I didn't stand a chance, but it was good to see Utah do what it was supposed to do and put a team away (and keep them put away).

    @Ocoug - Caldwell is about 30 minutes West of Boise

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 29, 2012 3:47 a.m.

    This is like reporting on an inter squad practice. Caldwell is a suburb of Nampa, which is a suburb of Boise. Really small...as Arthur said, "you could carpet the whole town if needed"...

    Glad the pre-season is over! We may not win as many games from here on out...but I believe the pre-season set us up as a team that knows how to play together now. With 10 new players joining our teo returners from a horrible team. The P12 is going to be fickle this year. No real standouts after AZ...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Way to take it to those Yotes! This game kind of reminds me of when my 18 year old brother used to whip me at basketball when I was only 12. The Yotes have an available slot to play their football team in 2014 if U are interested.

    Hopefully the Utes will play a more respectable non-conference schedule next year.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Re: CougFanTx
    Yeah, too bad no one from the Pac 12 cares about anything someone from BYU has to say. Are you getting ready for the upcomming exciting games in the HS gyms?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Glad preseason is over ... while I understand why Utah needed to play this kind of a preseason schedule this year, this last game seemed pointless. Maybe play them during finals week, but we needed a better team prior to conference play starting up.
    That said, it's now time to see how much improvement can be made throughout conference play. I'd love to see the Utes win half their home games and a quarter of their road games. That would be about a 7-11 conference record and to me would be a great step forward from last years 6-win season (3 conference wins). That would also put Utah back at a .500 season (15-15). I'd take that this year and hope for more improvement next year.
    Go Utes!

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    I'm excited to see what the Utes can do in conference play. They will definitely exceed the expectations of the media since they were picked to finish dead last.

    I think this team will be able to finish in the middle of the conference somewhere. Arizona is obviously head and shoulders above the rest of the conference, but their are plenty of other winnable games this year.

    I hope the Utes can continue to improve and learn how to play together. Continue the development of the young players and this team is on its way to a quick recovery. Wins will help with the recruiting efforts setting the Utes up for a bright future.

    It will be interesting to see what type of improvements the Utes can make to their basketball facilities as well. I know they have plans for some big improvements just not sure what. The Huntsman center has some great history but it would be nice if they could make some updates.

    Go Utes!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 29, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    " ... Are you getting ready for the upcomming exciting games in the HS gyms? ... "

    ImaCaMan:

    Playing in HS gyms is good because it seems like more people are there as opposed to when 2500 show up in the cavernous HC to watch the sorry utes. And we'll see the huge crowds that show up when you come to town in conference play.

    Oh, nice "W" against the C of I. You buried those poor guys.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 29, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    Utahs preseason strength of schedule = BYU season strength of schedule.

    Enjoy the rest of your year Coug's...SF, SD, Portland, Pepperdine...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    The dilusions this pre-season schedule have given some Ute faithful is almost humorous. Predictions of being able to beat anyone except maybe Arizona? Predictions of finishing in the middle of the PAC?

    The only feathers in your non-conference cap were beating a middle of the MWC Boise St team, beating a middle of the CUSA SMU team, and playing BYU closer than most thought. U also lost to a Sac St team that even I thought you would win. Your pre-season record is one win better than I predicted.

    The PAC12 is turning out to be weaker than expected, but there is still no way U finish in the middle of the PAC. Prediction: Four conference wins, three at home, and an 11th place finish. In fairness, U are playing pretty good D, but the offense is still weak.

    re: indycrimson - careful of who you mock. Pepperdine beat Washington St and SD played CSNR to a closer finish than U did. I noticed U didn't mention Zags, St Mary's and Santa Clara - all who have a shot at dancing.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    indycrimson

    "Utahs [sic] preseason strength of schedule = BYU season strength of schedule."

    LOL!

    BYU finishes its preseason blowing out an ACC team.

    Utah finishes its preseason blowing out a junior high team from Idaho.

    Current RPI

    #39 BYU(10-4) SOS 27
    #118 Utah(8-4) SOS 85

    Thanks for dragging our preseason SOS down.

    Good luck on trying to improve on your 3-win conference record from last season.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    ImaCaMan

    "Yeah, too bad no one from the Pac 12 cares about anything someone from BYU has to say."

    Which of course explains why your entire post consisted of nothing but whining about a comment from a BYU fan, with not a single word about what a joke it is to pretend that beating a JR HS team from Idaho is going to get the Utes ready to play Arizona next week.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 31, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Solomon my good man!

    The PAC 12 conference ranking in strength of teams is #5 of all conferences.
    The ACC conference ranking in strength of team is #6 of all conferences.
    The WCC is #10.

    VT is ranked #116...an ACC team? Yes! A good ACC team? No!

    The worst 3 teams Utah will play in season are USC #147, Wash #116 and ORST #100.
    The worst 3 teams BYU will play in season are Port #238, SD #217, LMU #176.

    The best 3 teams Utah will play in season are AZ #8, Colorado #19 and OR $42.
    The best 3 teams BYU will play Zags #13, SClara #53 and St Mary #60.

    See a pattern here? Lets put the strength of schedule argument to bed. Its tired...

  • agb Layton, UT
    Dec. 31, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Indy crimson:

    What's tired is Ute fans talking up the PAC-12 schedule as a prefabricated excuse for losing.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 31, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    indycrimson

    Pointless SOS argument, anyway, since the Utes have zero chance of playing in the post season.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 31, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    @indycrimson

    Way to hit em' with factual data. I find it hilarious that when several Cougar fans on these threads are hit with facts the next comments are inevitably comparable to a kid saying, "well my Dad can beat up your Dad!"

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 31, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    motorbike

    Utah fans can live in denial all they want, but the truth is, the Utes killed any chance they had of playing in the post season with their pathetic preseason.

    So beat your chest all you want to about your mediocre conference schedule, and it is mediocre, but it's not nearly enough to compensate for your truly pathetic preseason schedule.

    It's funny how Utah fans run for cover with meaningless "facts", while completely ignoring reality.

    BYU still has an excellent change of playing in the Big Dance.

    Utah has no chance.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 31, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    @midpacmajor

    Go ahead and let us Utah fans know which one of us it was who had any delusions of playing in the NCAA tourney this year.
    In other words, it's you Cougies that bring up the strength of schedule garbage. It's us Ute fans who simply bring you back to earth that your overall SOS isn't any better than Utah's due to your lousy conference.
    The truth is, if I was a Cougar fan I'd be disappointed with this year's out of conference scheduling. Knowing what conference you play in, BYU needs to play a much better out of conference schedule if they ever plan on not just making the NCAA tourney, but getting a high seed.
    Utah's a different story, even when they're back to competing at a higher level it will still never be of extreme importance to have a difficult preseason schedule. The reason being that the PAC-12 will almost always be a top 5 conference, meaning the SOS is already built in.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 31, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    motorbike

    "Utah's a different story, even when they're back to competing at a higher level..."

    Call us when that happens. The Utes have been rebuilding since Majerus left, with nothing but a train wreck to show for it.

    Meanwhile, Rose has established BYU as a perennial 25+ win, NCAA tourney team.

    With 10-4 record, an RPI of 33, and a SOS of 26, BYU is well on it's way to continuing that pattern.

    The Utes, on the other hand, with their pathetic preseason schedule, have no chance of even playing in the NIT. Keep pretending that not playing anybody in the preseason is meaningless if it helps you sleep at night, but we all know that's nothing but a delusional Utah fan fantasy.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 31, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    Midpac and Motorbike...
    Utah is ranked #110 vs BYU ranking of #65.

    Utah SOS is a little above 71.
    BYU SOS is a little above 74.

    BYU beat Utah so that makes them the better team this year. I don't see any of us saying we are better, or were going to make the post season. I don't even see any of us saying BYU won't make it...I am just defending our schedule vs there schedule with data.

    What's up with all these predictions from down south that are just predictions?

    I'm lost??

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    @MUSSing with U

    "The Utes, on the other hand, with their pathetic preseason schedule, have no chance of even playing in the NIT. Keep pretending that not playing anybody in the preseason is meaningless if it helps you sleep at night, but we all know that's nothing but a delusional Utah fan fantasy."
    ____

    Deflecting the BYU SOS conversation by talking about the current state of Utah basketball doesn't change reality. But since you went there I'll say it again for you ... virtually every Utah fan understands that this year is still part of the rebuilding process. Meaning none of us are planning on our team making any post season tournaments.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    motorbike

    Neither BYU nor Utah has any control over their conference schedule, so the only SOS comparisons that matters as far as scheduling is concerned are preseason schedules.

    ESPN ranked preseason schedules for every D1 program on a scale of 1 (best) to 10 (worst).

    BYU's preseason schedule was ranked a 2 (one of the best in the country).
    Utah's preseason schedule was ranked a 10 (one of the worst in the country).

    It doesn't matter what the SOS actually turned out to be, because those were the expectations when the schedules were set up.

    Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the truth is, BYU's preseason schedule was designed to help BYU improve its NCAA tournament prospects, while Utah's preseason schedule was designed to pad Utah's win total with no regard, whatsoever, to improving Utah's RPI.

    Current Rankings

    Pomeroy
    #61 BYU
    #164 Utah

    Massey
    #49 BYU
    #128 Utah

    Sagarin
    #63 BYU
    #109 Utah

    College Basketball Ranking Comparison (38 polls)
    #53 BYU
    #108 Utah

    BYU still has some work to do, but the Cougars are on track for an NCAA berth.

    Utah is rebuilding, but how many years have the Utes been using that as an excuse?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Just the FAX ...

    "Utah is rebuilding, but how many years have the Utes been using that as an excuse?"

    The answer is two. We've been using the rebuilding "excuse" for all of two years ... before that we were simply frustrated at what we all felt was an underachieving team/program.

    What would you like us to call it when we have had virtually two entirely new teams the last two seasons?

    And as for this comment of yours; "the only SOS comparisons that matters as far as scheduling is concerned are preseason schedules." You're entirely wrong. See that's the great thing about being in a strong conference, you don't need to go crazy with building a difficult preseason schedule. Now in BYU's case, they DO need to worry about their preseason schedule... see Gonzaga for an example of what a WCC team should be doing. So your posted stats are wonderful but are simply as they should be at this point in the season. Let's talk at the end of the year and revisit your above comment about preseason SOS comparisons being the only thing that matters.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Just the FAX, how many times does it need to be said that the Utes had no delusions about a tournament run this year? There was much more to do with building the nonconference schedule than just padding the win-loss record, it was about giving the team as many different looks as they could to build the team into the system that Larry K has in mind. Yes, Willamette and College of Idaho were nothing more than a dry run to start the season and to refocus coming off of Christmas break, 75% of the teams in the country do the same thing. SMU was scheduled as a home-home series in the same season because they're a team a lot like us: rebuilding with an NBA coach in more of an NBA than a college system. CSUN, Boise State, are both teams with very different looks that can be very successful at running their game and scoring in bunches. The dead horse of nonconference scheduling was beaten long ago, get over it already.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    motorbike

    Sorry, pal, you're way off.

    The Utes have been using the rebuilding excuse for most of the last 8 years - mass defections from the program and incredibly embarrassing losses almost every year.

    The Utes didn't "under-achieve". They simply weren't any good to begin with.

    You're only fooling yourself if you think Utah's preseason schedule is meaningless. There's absolutely no way the Utes can dream of ever getting a high seed in the NCAA tourney without playing a decent preseason schedule. Of course, when U have absolutely no chance of playing in the post season anyway, it doesn't really matter if you intentionally schedule junior high school teams just to pad your win total.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "There was much more to do with building the nonconference schedule than just padding the win-loss record, it was about giving the team as many different looks as they could to build the team into the system that Larry K has in mind."

    More delusional spin.

    coach small k and Hill scheduled a bunch of patsies to pad Utah's win total and help the Utes gain a little confidence. Except for BYU, not a single preseason opponent was expected to be in the RPI Top 150. In fact, most of Utah's preseason opponents finished below 250 last season. Several turned out to be better than, which is why the Utes still couldn't manage 10 wins against what was expected to be one of the worst preseason schedules in the country.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    phoenix, you're going to believe what you wish. Coaches know a lot more about the teams they schedule than just what computer generated number they were assigned the previous year. Unfortunately for you, that's all of you have.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    StGtoSLC,
    You're exactly right. It's hilarious at how many times we Ute fans can explain to our Cougar friends that we know our team is down at the time, and that we admit to having a weak preseason schedule this year. What's crazy is that guys like Phoenix, Just the FAX, MUSSing with U and Duckhunter are still so obsessed with "the worst team in a major conference." If the Cougs are so heads and shoulders above the Utes, you'd think they wouldn't click on the article let alone leave a comment. I guess that 3 point home victory over the lousy Utes got under their skin a bit.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    indycrimson

    Pointless SOS argument, anyway, since the Utes have zero chance of playing in the post season.

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    Your Cougars have about the same chance, slim to whittman. Could you atleast change your screen name? How sad, trying to act like a Utah fan, while continually bashing the school.