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Mike Sorensen: Fresno State instead of BYU on Ute schedule is puzzling

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  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 7:07 p.m.

    Utah should be embarrassed......even my friends who are Ute fans are having a tough time chocking this one down. The Utes can spin this any way they want to but their arrogance is astounding.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 8:36 p.m.

    The rivalry is dead. It doesn't benefit either team to play the game.

    Utah is clearly moving on; BYU [fans] should follow suit.

  • eelek62 SANDY, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    Two for Flinching

    Tell that to the U fans that rushed the field three times against BYU.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    @eelek62

    I agree with you. Rushing the field is ridiculous 95% of the time. The MUSS needs to stay in its section.

  • Jeeves Bountiful/USA, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Playing BYU does not enhance their recruiting footprint.
    Utah enhances their exposure into northern CA by playing
    Fresno.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    @Jeeves.....doesn't Utah play Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC? How does having ANOTHER Northern California game increase recruiting? We're not that stupid.

  • cns St George, Utah
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    Since this the Deseret News I will just say I am really annoyed with Utah dropping BYU. I am a Utah alumnus and the game with BYU was always THE game of the year. It would not be the game in the future that it once was since it was often for the conference championship, but it would still be the major rivalry it always was.
    Fresno State? Fresno Sate? Who the heck is Fresno State? There might be some advantages to Utah in dropping BYU but making its fans happy isn't one of them.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    Jeeves

    The Utes have never won a game in Fresno, how does that work for recruiting in Northern California.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    Maybe Utah wanted a challenge.

    Even when BYU has a better team Utah still wins.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 16, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    Yeah, you'll want to pick up those special valley boys as recruits from Fresno. Be honest, hill made a mistake and playing Fresno makes no sense at all. Here hoping they beat u twice and help keep u from being bowl eligible for three straight years. Makes all that money with nowhere to go in December taste pretty sour!

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Dec. 16, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    Utah's world doesn't revolve around BYU and it is high time BYU fans realize that.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 16, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    Justmythoughts
    @Jeeves.....doesn't Utah play Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC? How does having ANOTHER Northern California game increase recruiting? We're not that stupid.

    -----------

    UCLA and USC are in Southern California. We don't play Cal and we only play at Stanford in 2014. So we only play one conference game in Northern California over the next 3 years.

    That being said, the market is in LA era which is why everyone wanted to play USC or UCLA each year.

    @Chris B's momma
    "Be honest, hill made a mistake and playing Fresno makes no sense at all. Here hoping they beat u twice and help keep u from being bowl eligible for three straight years."

    I'm glad you have something to cheer for, since your team has proven they can't even beat a bad Utah team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:56 a.m.

    @ Sammy

    You really think losses in 1989, 1992, and 1997 are really going to deter potential recruits? We know BYU fans like live in the past, but the rest of the world doesn't put a lot of stock in football accomplishments of the 80s and 90s.

    @ cns

    You should watch more college football. If you don't know who Fresno St. is than you aren't paying attention.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 17, 2012 5:31 a.m.

    It's not puzzling, Utah hasn't be straight up with this issue since it began. This move clearly uncovers Utah's motives. They want to severe all ties from the state and be connected with California. Basically, little bro has become prodigal and forgotten his roots, to good now for the state.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 17, 2012 5:32 a.m.

    re:uteology Glad you won your bowl game.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 6:43 a.m.

    flinched

    Do you really think the Utes are going to win these games?

    The last time you played Fresno you beat them by 1 point on a neutral field.

    You need to remember your roots and how well your team represents in the WAC and MWC these days.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Wow, reading all of the posts from the cougar nation, you'd think the world is ending because the Utes choose not to play byu.

    It only supports the notion byu needs Utah, not the other way around. The Ute's schedule will be just fine, whether they play byu, or not.

    Get over it, it is NOT that big of a deal. All of the pouting can be put aside, because the deal with Fresno is finalized, and won't be changed.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    It's worth it, just to see all of the angry BYU fans. It's funny, Utah fans don't give a rip it we play BYU or not; yet BYU fans get all bent out of shape. I guess it's pretty easy to see which program needs the other, and which doesn't.

  • dUrrdy-bUrrdz BurdVille, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Being a UTE fan, even I’m disappointed in this decision!!! I would rather keep the Rivalry over a meaningless game with Fresno. If our opponent was a BIG 10 school and would make our scheduler tougher, that would make sense. Now we jus look scared to play bYwho?!!! Bad Move Hill

  • sheriffcreg SANDY, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    The most pathetic thing about the entire situation are the reaction of spurned BYU fans, assuming everything that Utah does is about them. I understand a little bit of the puzzlement (I would much rather see Utah play BYU), but so many are 100% sure that Utah's actions with conference expansion, scheduling, etc. have everything to do with BYU. It's time to move on. It's not always about BYU. In fact, it's rarely, if ever, about BYU. BYU is just not as important a program as BYU fans think it is.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    Wow... what is this the 15th column/article on this same subject over the past 3-4 months... Each one parroting the same line.

    It seems to me that the DNews should be thanking the UofU for giving you hacks something to write about.

    We all know who owns the DNews and we can all guess that any opinion that doesn't take BYU's side will not be seen in the DNews...

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Now this is getting interesting. Pac 12 is looking at Fresno State to be the future Pac 16 along with sdsu,unlv and boise state. starting to make sense? And why unlv I metioned, expanded stadium and arena with fun things to do at LV.

    wink wink

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    When two schools have a great rivalry, it's a shame to see it go. I grew up with the ASU/UA rivalry and still look forward to seeing that game. I can't imagine that rivalry being dissolved. It would be a shame to loose the storied rivalries in the PAC 12 like USC/UCLA, or Michigan Ohio State in the Big Ten, or Florida/ Florida State, Duke/NC and so on. It's historic tradition that's being lost. To have a rival is great for the game and great for the schools. I think someone is being very shortsighted.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    The U should have kept BYU. Given recent history, it's almost a guaranteed win for the U. BYU has made stupid mistake, after stupid mistake in all facets of the game the past several years. It's the one game that BYU does not know how to finish.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    BYU fan her: I am happy to see the Utes move on and am not angry at all. And no BYU does not need Utah. We have Notre Dame and such. Enjoy the cellar of the PAC 10.2 if they will let you stay much longer. I haar that they are looking to replace Utah with a school that can compete.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    It makes no sense unless Chris Hill is settling an old score. He works for the state of Utah, not his own demons.

  • D4inSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    @sheriff
    I couldn't agree more! Move on for crying out loud!

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I wish the rivalry would continue. It is a fun, competitive game. Utah has clearly made the choice they don't want the game to continue (although the reasons given don't match their actions). If you look at Dr. Hill's comments about why the rivalry had to end, he stated the following:

    "When we joined the Pac-12 Conference, we knew there would be opportunities for Utah athletics that were never available before. A home-and-home series with Michigan is an example of something that we would not have envisioned even a few years ago and felt we could not pass up. It made our already tough schedule that much tougher and I did not think it was fair to our football program to schedule BYU on those years"

    So it is fair to schedule Fresno State but not BYU? LOL. BYU and Fresno are likely similar competition for Utah at this point. I think a loss is probable against FSU which seems to go contrary to Dr. Hill's reasoning (play weeker NC schedule). I guess i was expecting a northern colorado or something.

  • MSA lehi, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Too funny. Drop one of the best college football rivalries for home and home with Fresno St. Spin it any way you want Ute fans, that is just pathetic. BYU does not need Utah, but the rivalry game was a great thing for the fans and the state of Utah. I looked forward to this game every year even though you've had our number of late. Way to go Hill, enjoy the fierce rivalry with Colorado which will be your bowl game 3 out of every 4 years.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    Spokane Ute and others

    "It's funny, Utah fans don't give a rip it we play BYU or not"

    Please stop presuming that you speak for the vast majority of Utah fans who are bitterly disappointed in Utah's short-sighted decision to abandon a century-old rivalry to play Fresno State.

    Utah is abandoning traditional rivalries in football and basketball - BYU, Utah State, and Weber State - because of this stupid arrogant attitude of Hill and Whittingham that the Utes are now "too good" to play their instate rivals anymore. PAC 12-elititis is killing Utah athletics and the Utes are so out of touch with reality that they and a few of their fans are too blind to see it.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    The phony superiority complex is high comedy. To imply that no-one on the Utah side of this little snipe-fest cares about the rivalry is refuted by (1) the fact that you're here blathering on about it, and (2) the fact that every time you beat BYU at home your students rush the field like you just beat the Leinart/Bush Trojans. Seems like that's not something you do if you don't give a good golly-darn. If you manage to beat Fresno, are you planning on rushing the field? Why not just rush the field and tear down the goalposts after every win? What fun!

    So, either the BYU IS a big game to Utah (at least to the students), or their fans are completely tone-deaf when it comes to celebrating "big" wins. Which is it?

    As far as the rationale for playing Fresno instead, color me incredulous. What; if you play one game in a region, recruits just come flocking to your door? Is some four-star prospect in Northern California going to see the game and think to himself "Utah, huh? I didn't know they played football! Where do I sign?"

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    DEW Cougars said:

    "Now this is getting interesting. Pac 12 is looking at Fresno State to be the future Pac 16 along with sdsu,unlv and boise state. starting to make sense? And why unlv I metioned, expanded stadium and arena with fun things to do at LV.

    wink wink"

    Doubt the other Cali schools will allow SDSU and Fresno St. Boise St., no.
    Schools will come from the Big 12 most likely.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    Does Utah need BYU? No.
    Does BYU need Utah? No.
    Was the BYU/Utah rivalry one of the best in the country? Yes.
    This announcement is a bummer for both programs.

  • DarkKnightLight CENTRAL, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Yeah all you smug Ute fans. Utah doesn't need BYU. You fans just love being the cellar dwellers of the PAC-12. Oh what fun. Hope you enjoy your bowl game this year. Oh, wait! I forgot you don't have one this year. Silly me.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    BYU fans should be more interested in keeping future schedules intact, rather than complaining about a Utah game they continually lose.
    That's what happens on the island of misfit toys known as independence. You have to schedule 12 games. A lot easier to keep track of belonging to a conference when most games are already set.

    BYU should reconsider their ESPN deal and join a conference for a much larger payout.

    The west needs another conference. What I mean is the MWC in better standing with a TV deal. I think it would be interesting to see SDSU, BSU & BYU rejoin.

  • Anatis Ultio Ultionis Omaha, NE
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Why does it matter who either team plays. BYU fans appear to be like a jealous ex-girlfriend. Watching every move her ex-boyfriend makes because she was dumped. Back-biting and spewing negative comments about her ex. Comparing any new "girl" that her ex finds a liking to with herself and then berating her as if she truly knew and if he truly cared about her thoughts. Its time to move on, cut the ties, you were dumped, now get over it. Go UTES!

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    Wow Utah walks away from both BYU and Utah State in favor of Fresno St. Losing to a "lower" level in state school is much more embarrassing than losing to a lower level out of state school. Utah State is the hottest football program in the state right now, and the Utes don't want any part of them. I know they are a big time PAC 12 bottom feeder, but throwing away almost 200 years of rivalry games (USU and BYU) for a home and home with Fresno? But I guess if you know you can't a Mountain West school, you probably shouldn't be playing them if you are from the mighty PAC 12.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    I'll agree that independence is not a solution LONG-TERM, but short-term it was a master stroke. The absurd mish-mash of defections, realignments and break-ups is going to eventually die down, and then BYU can make a rational choice armed with solid information. In the meantime, they'll struggle with scheduling and a lousy late-season slate of games, but it's got to be better than saying "Hey, we'll join the Big East! Wait; no, we won't . . how about the Big 12? Yes! No! How 'bout the Big Southeastwest 12? I'm confused . . "

    It's definitely better than leaping into a conference only to immediately fall into their second division. I'm not sure how much a bigger payout means to a fan base if you immediately fall from a position of general respect to praying you can squeak out 6 wins per year to become bowl-eligible. "YES!! We're bowl eligible!" might be acceptable for a long-suffering USU fan, but to a Ute fan it must stink, unless each of you get a cut of those BCS millions you keep crowing about.

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    This makes no sense whatsoever. What point is the Utah AD trying to make or what is he trying to accomplish? He scraps the most valued, most anticipated game of the season for Fresno State? Crazy.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    NightOwl

    "Doubt the other Cali schools will allow SDSU and Fresno St. Boise St., no.
    Schools will come from the Big 12 most likely."

    There's absolutely NO CHANCE that PAC 12 expansion will include any schools from the Big 12. All of the schools in the Big 12, Texas and Oklahoma included, signed away their television rights to the Big 12 for the next TEN YEARS. If Texas or Oklahoma were to leave the Big 12 to join the PAC 12, the Big 12 would still own the rights to every Texas and Oklahoma home game, including PAC 12 conference games.

    The only viable PAC 12 expansion options west of the Mississippi are BYU, Boise State, San Diego State or schools in the MWC.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    @Down Under,

    Who did you hear that from? You have a mouse in your pocket? Of course we will enjoy the opportunity to play in the Alamo, Sun and BCS Bowls; while you are left out in the cold. No conference, no bowl, no hope. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

    @ Utahalum

    Don't recall saying I speak for all Utah fans? Please don't put words in my mouth, and yes the majority of Utah fans could care less about who BYU plays. IMO You come across as a bitter fan, move on down to Provo and join the Haters. Utah will be fine without you.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Hey Mike -

    How hard is it for the media and BYU fans to understand that annual games with BYU no longer help Utah achieve its goals?

    The rivalry is dead and Utah won.

    If BYU had played its cards a little better they may have gotten the invite to the Big12 that went to TCU.

    As a Big12 member Utah may have found room for BYU on its schedule... as a mid-major independent... meh.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Anatis Ultio Ultionis

    Trust a Ute to come up with a fancy moniker for an absolutely clueless post.

    You're dumping your long time best friend for the ugly girl who winked at you and deluding yourself into believing that you made a wise decision.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    "BYU is just not as important a program as BYU fans think it is."

    If I remember correctly, when UU and BYU left the MWC, BYU had a few more championships than the Utes. I guessing UU was just tired of losing to the boys and girls down south; after all - football isn't the whole world.

  • manutd San Diego, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    of course the utes care about byu. that is what makes it such a great rivalry. that is why you love beating us, talking trash on message boards. rushing the field, etc. same goes for us byu fans. its a love hate relationship.

    i suspect that the utes who claim they dont care about the rivalry are likely the new generation of fans who jumped on the ute bandwagon some time around the bcs bowls. or they have pretty selective short term memory, blocking out all those years of being quite a mediocre team.

    you aint all that. just like byu aint all that lately either. but even in down years like this one the rivalry game is a saturday everyone marks down and looks forward to the entire year. as a graduate of both schools i am going to miss it. big mistake in my opinion.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Don't recall saying I speak for all Utah fans? Please don't put words in my mouth, and yes the majority of Utah fans could care less about who BYU plays."

    First you whine about "words being put into your mouth", then you turn right around claim that you "know" what the majority of Utah fans care about. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The evidence on the street, in the blogs, and on the air waves is overwhelming. Utah fans care more about BYU than they care about any other team in the universe, sometimes including Utah.

    Families, co-workers, neighborhoods spend the entire year debating the BYU-Utah rivalry. Every win creates bragging rights for the winning team. Every loss is a bitter pill to swallow for the losing team.

    It's evident just from reading the D-News blogs from the last three years, that Utah fans, overwhelmingly, care more about beating (or losing) to BYU, than any other team on their schedule.

    A loss to USC is quickly forgotten by the next game. A loss to BYU remains bitter years later - Harline is still open, Max to George, and 4th and 18!

  • UTAuley Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    Revisionist history much? BYU was dropped for the Michigan game. Fresno State was added because we have a similar open weekend and are looking to add a Northern Cali team for recruiting during those two years.

    There are also scheduling issues, in that for 2014 (Utah would have home game) the only options would be first game of the season on August 30 or on September 13, the week before going to Michigan. I assume they're hoping that August 13 will be a bye week and we know they prefer to schedule down to get a prep game in on first week of season.

    For 2015, Utah has only one available option, the September 19 spot since they've already scheduled Michigan and Utah State at home the first two weeks of the season. BYU also only has that week avialable, and that is the week before BYU goes to Michigan, and after a home game vs. Boise State. No prep game for Utah that year and yeah, that could be a rough start to the season, but no BYU coach is going to want that three game stretch either and so scheduling doesn't work for those two years.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    If the Y wants to play the U going forward then they have to get into a BCS conference like the BIG 12. What a great game - BIG 12 BYU vs PAC 12 Utah. Will it ever happen? Doubtful. The U has moved on and the Y is no longer worth playing. The ball is in BYU's court.

  • UTAuley Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    And for BYU & Utah fans freaking out about the end of the rivalry, we're still talking about schools less than an hour away from eachother in the same state. There will always be a rivalry, even if it doesn't have a head-to-head match up every year in football. With being in different conferences and having different goals, there will be years that for one reason or another, the games just won't be possible.

    I was at a BYU vs. Utah hockey game just a week or so ago and there was no less a rivalry than ever before. And those of us who went down to Provo and saw that great game (between two admittedly less than great teams) went home commenting on how great the rivalry still is. I don't attend many women's sports events, but I'm sure the same can be said of head-to-head matches for soccer, softball, basketball, etc.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Puzzling? Not really. Arrogant? Yes. But whatever, BYU doesn't need utah, so it's time to move on.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    @ IJ "I guessing UU was just tired of losing to the boys and girls down south; after all - football isn't the whole world."

    Actually for better or worse Football *IS* just about the whole world when we are looking at conference realignment. Well football and TV markets.

    Claiming Utah "is running away from BYU" because they are scared of BYU's women's Track team makes as much sense as the BYU running from Utah's Gymnastics team... It is just not a factor in the big picture.

    Look at this way if BYU wants Utah on their Football schedule then BYU just needs to make Utah a deal that the Utes' brass can't refuse. Instead BYU has taken the approach that they can uses the shills in local media to "shame" the Utes into coming to the table.

    I believe it is just a statement of fact to say that Utah has NOT been manipulated by BYU's (and the BYU shill media's) attempt to win the PR war. You can keep trying, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "IMO You come across as a bitter fan, move on down to Provo and join the Haters. Utah will be fine without you."

    Get over yourself!

    The only hater I see here is a wet-behind-the-ears kid who thinks he know everything, but in reality, knows nothing, especially when comes to the single-most important thing that makes college sports special - tradition.

    Utah's athletic program is making a huge mistake in abandoning games with Utah's instate rivals and it will eventually come back to bite the Utes.

    Fans like you are a dime a dozen; but, you have NO idea how much the Utes would lose if they lost loyal Utah fans like me.

    By the way, your clueless "advice" to move to Provo simply demonstrates your ignorance about geographical location and loyalties. My neighbors here in Orem are the Krugers, a well-known "Utah" family you might have heard of.

  • Kolobian FARMINGTON, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    I really don't think it is Fresno and not BYU. It's anybody but BYU. The Pac 12 and Utah want and need to have Colorado be Utah's rival. That is what is good for the PAC 12. In my opinion Utah is trying to follow what the PAC 12 wants. The trouble is, it doesn't matter how good or bad BYU is or how easy or how hard it is to beat them. They are the hated rival and will always be as long as Utah has them on the schedule. Utah doesn't have the clout USC has to retain that rivalry during rivalry week. Instead of Fresno it could have been Idaho State or Notre Dame. It simply doesn't matter. It has to be anybody but BYU because they are the hated rival. USC and UCLA hate each other. They are rivals. BYU and Utah hate each other. They are rivals. Utah has to quit playing BYU altogether and start hating Colorado as much. There are way too many factors that make BYU and Utah rivals. The only way they won't be is anybody but BYU. That is my very impartial statement.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    patriot

    If the U wants to remain relevant in their own state, the Utes had better start playing their in-state rivals instead of running away from them and making themselves look like cowards.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Fact is, Mike and the BYU fan base just doesn't get it. Utah does not want to play BYU at all because of their fans and the local media treatment of the game! Most of the Utah fans I talk to are just down right fed up with the local media and BYU as a whole. Why schedule a game with a school that it's fans (and media) claim to be the better team even when they loose? If the BYU fan base is so satisfied and contented with their Independence, Why would they even care? The local media says nothing when Utah doesn't play Utah State? For that matter nothing is said when BYU doesn't play Utah State. Wake up media and BYU fans, quit living in 1984. Truth is Utah does not need a game with BYU.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    I'm a BYU fan who could not care less if they never play Utah again. Utah will continue to be a (small) regional school with few fans outside the state and most likely will be perennial bottom tier Pac12. BYU will continue to play teams from around the country. Given the conference messes we're seeing, independence is looking better all the time. I like seeing teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss on the schedule. BYU doesn't need to see Utah on the schedule. Nothing to gain, little to lose. Let Utah schedule Fresno or Wyoming for that matter. Doesn't matter.

    As for National Championship? That's irrelevant. An NC is a once a century thing for any team not named USC, Notre Dame, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State. The PAC12 schools have a theoretical chance. And the Earth has a theoretical chance of getting whacked by an asteroid in the next century. About the same odds that Utah and BYU have of winning an NC.

    Nothing Utah does is relevant to BYU anymore. And vice versa. So long and thanks for all the fish.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    @ UtahAlum

    Oh Im over myself, seems you're a little upset because someone is telling it like it is. I don't have to defend my support for Utah, went to my first game back in the Jeff Judkins era. Fair weather fans like your self are all too common on these threads. Sorry Guy, but Utah will be fine without you. I know the truth hurts, but that's exactly what it is. Why in the world would not scheduling BYU hurt Utah's program? What a silly, uneducated statement.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    On July 10 2012, the day Utah announced its home-and-home with Michigan, Dr. Hill said in a released statement later in the day:

    "It made our already tough schedule that much tougher and I DID NOT THINK IT WAS FAIR to our football program to schedule BYU on those years. We are solidly committed to play BYU in 2013 (in Provo) and 2016 (in Salt Lake City) and are close to finalizing a contract. Our intent is to continue to schedule BYU unless unusual circumstances dictate otherwise. In no way does this signal an end to the rivalry."

    ANY Utah fan trying to spin that replacing BYU with Fresno State was done for "recruiting purposes" or because Fresno State is a "tougher" opponent, is simply trying to rewrite history while completely ignoring Hill's stated reason for dropping BYU, that he considered playing Michigan and BYU in the same year UNFAIR to the Utes because it would be TOO TOUGH!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    @Phoenix

    Why are you contiually on Utah threads trying to pick a fight? You seem awfully concerned about Utah. I do appreciate your continued support though, it just confirms how BYU fans are into Utah's every move. Pretty sad when you think about it. It makes no difference who Utah schedules, Haters are going to Hate.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Silent Lurker,

    Great Post, you are Spot On!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    UTAuley

    "Revisionist history much? BYU was dropped for the Michigan game. Fresno State was added because we have a similar open weekend and are looking to add a Northern Cali team for recruiting during those two years."

    lol!

    Utah fans are famous for making up their own "facts", when the truth disagrees with their delusional "opinions".

    As skywalker posted:

    Dr. Hill said,

    "It [scheduling Michigan] made our already tough schedule that much tougher and I DID NOT THINK IT WAS FAIR to our football program to schedule BYU on those years."

    In other words, Dr. Hill scheduled Fresno State instead of BYU in 2014 and 2015 because it would make Utah's schedule LESS TOUGH!

    Spin that any way that helps U sleep at night little Utah fans, but that's the truth straight from your own AD's mouth.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Why in the world would not scheduling BYU hurt Utah's program?"

    Because playing BYU is what BYU-obsessed Utah fans like you live and breath for - you're just too arrogant to admit openly what you know to be true deep down inside. Without Utah's two wins over BYU in 2011 and 2012, Utah fans would have absolutely NOTHING to beat their chests about since Utah joined the PAC. It's the only thing that's given Utah fans even a glimmer of hope in the otherwise dreary world of living in the PAC 12 basement.

    Utah NEEDS that glimmer of hope of upsetting BYU every year. Just as in the 80's when BYU was Utah's bowl game, it's the ONLY thing that might keep Utah fans engaged as the inevitable losing PAC 12 seasons continue to pile up.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    This is just another mistake made by Utah in their misguided assumption that they are much better than they actually are.
    Hill needs to explain himself, there is no rationale that would make sense I can think of. I know the Utah fans want to play BYU, the players have got to want to play BYU, and I would assume the coaches want to play BYU, but there has to be some excuse Hill has come up with. Man up please Hill and explain yourself.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Utah is abandoning the state? Out of conference scheuldes for Utah.
    2013: BYU, Utah State, Weber State
    2014: Michigan, Fresno
    2015: Michigan, Fresno, Utah State
    2016: BYU

    Yeah... that's really abandoning the state there. I'm pretty sure that the 3rd 2014 game is Utah State but I'm not 100% sure on that.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Seems you're a lot upset that most Utah fans don't agree with you.

    Utah won't be "fine" not playing BYU.

    In fact, not playing BYU leaves a gaping hole in Utah's schedule.

    The vast majority of Utah fans I've talked to want to see the BYU-Utah game played every year and think Hill made a huge mistake in not scheduling BYU.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    Utah clearly wants to get into a position where they play one state school a year. Utah State is it for a couple years, and then BYU will be it in 2016. After that I assume there will be some form of alternating between the two schools. Remember BYU fans, we have two in-state rivalries, and yeah the one with you is bigger, but now that we only have 3 out of conference games a year instead of 4, it's a bit unrealistic to hold both rivalries every single year if the teams are no longer in the same conference.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    One more thing. Let's say Utah kept BYU.
    2013 and 2015 would be @Utah years. 2014 and 2016 would be @BYU years.

    When Michigan was added it was @Michigan in 2014 and @Utah in 2015.

    Utah played @Utah State this year, and hosts them in 2013 and 2015. Guess what that means about 2014? @Utah State (if that game is even still on the schedule, I've seen conflicting sources about that)

    So 2014 could have had @Utah State @BYU and @Michigan. There are 9 conference games so each year it's 4 home 5 road then 5 home 4 road. 2014 is a 5 road game year for Utah.

    So Utah would have had 4 home games and 8 road games with this setup.

    What do they have with Fresno? Home in 2014, road in 2015. That's what they wanted. They wanted another home game so they have a more balanced home/road schedule.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Silent Looker,
    Awful post. Missed by a mile.

    On the bright side Cougar fan, with Utah dropping off of BYU's schedule that will allow BYU to easily upgrade their schedule. I'm sure they could work out something with SUU, Northern Arizona, Ball State or any other mediocre program that would improve their strength of schedule by replacing Utah.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    atl134

    "Utah is abandoning the state?"

    Absolutely!

    Are you going to ignore the fact Utah doesn't have any future games versus Utah State or Weber State scheduled in basketball, or that Utah bought out its only scheduled road game at Utah State (in 2014) and has already announced that the Utes don't intend to play in Logan anymore?

    The Aggies won't continue playing the Utes only in SLC, especially when the Utes have already demostrated their willingness to play teams like Fresno State on the road.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah
    NightOwl

    "Doubt the other Cali schools will allow SDSU and Fresno St. Boise St., no.
    Schools will come from the Big 12 most likely."

    There's absolutely NO CHANCE that PAC 12 expansion will include any schools from the Big 12. All of the schools in the Big 12, Texas and Oklahoma included, signed away their television rights to the Big 12 for the next TEN YEARS. If Texas or Oklahoma were to leave the Big 12 to join the PAC 12, the Big 12 would still own the rights to every Texas and Oklahoma home game, including PAC 12 conference games.

    The only viable PAC 12 expansion options west of the Mississippi are BYU, Boise State, San Diego State or schools in the MWC.

    __________________

    Please tone down the self proclaimed expert attitude.
    Since when do agreements mean anything? Schools have jumped the over the past three years without major penalties. Maryland won't pay $50 million to leave the ACC.
    If schools want to leave the Big 12 they would find a way.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    atl134

    Spin away.

    Everyone knows you're just blowing smoke.

    Even Hill admitted that the Utes dropped BYU in 2014 and 2015 because he felt that playing BYU and Michigan in the same season would be too tough for the Utes.

    But I guess you and all of the other Utah apologists think you know more about that decision than the guy who actually made the decision.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    atl134

    "What do they have with Fresno? Home in 2014, road in 2015. That's what they wanted. They wanted another home game so they have a more balanced home/road schedule."

    That's exactly what the Utes would have had with BYU, and home game in 2014 and a road game in 2015.

    Dr. Hill dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because he thought it would be an easier for Utah to beat FSU. You can deny that all you want to, but it won't change the truth.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    re:spokaneute You'd give a big rip if it were the other way around. You'd be lyin' if you're denying.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Why are you continually attacking other bloggers who disagree with you? Are you so insecure that you can't handle reading an opposing point of view?

    Most fans, BYU and Utah alike, want to see the BYU-Utah rivalry played every year, and most fans think it was an absolutely bone-headed decision by Hill to replace BYU with Fresno State.

    Running away from your rival just to have a better chance to qualify for a bowl simply makes you look weak.

  • MA in MD FROSTBURG, MD
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    Ooooh! All that glory and money for the Administration at the U! While stepping on every U and Y fan around the country. Pure greed and selfishness. I used to call myself a U fan, but now they've made it pretty impossible for all of us.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    Hahaha these comments are classic! Getting burned three years in a row has really brought out the inner drama queen in a lot of the haters, I guess. Utah fans all seem to be just fine with our upcoming schedules.

    If you're wondering who's more desperate to try to prove something with the rivalry right now, look no further than these comment boards.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    Playing AT Michigan and BYU in the same season. Utah just wants 6 home and 6 road games and if they kept Utah State and BYU it'd be 4 home and 8 road. It's really that simple.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Since when do agreements mean anything? Schools have jumped the over the past three years without major penalties. Maryland won't pay $50 million to leave the ACC.
    If schools want to leave the Big 12 they would find a way."

    You obviously don't understand.

    Maryland voted AGAINST the $50 million buy out to leave the ACC. Maryland will have a decent argument if it ever goes to court.

    The Big 12 is MUCH different. EVERY school in the Big 12 signed over their television rights to the Big 12 in a legally binding contract that was signed by every member of the Big 12. The Big 12 OWNS those rights. Nobody is forcing Oklahoma or Texas or any other current member to stay in the conference, BUT they won't be able to take their television rights with them if the leave - a poison pill that guarantees that NOBODY will be leaving the Big 12 to join another conference for at least 10 years.

    It's not an "agreement", it's a binding "contract", that was carefully crafted by attorneys representing every signatory to the contract.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Dr. Hill. Listen to the Fans in this state. 90% of football fans in the state want the rivalry games to continue, uninterrupted. History of the rivalry speaks for itself.

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    To anyone U fan who thinks they are above the rivalry game. Why don't you try having a decent season in the PAC-12 instead of being a dormat before talking smack.

    Even Washington State and Colorado are in the PAC- 12. Just being in that conference does not mean anything (except from a financial standpoint) if you get smoked every other week. Win the PAC-12, and get relevant again, and then maybe you can thump your chest a little bit.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    Are byu 'fans' going to kick and scream this much every time we schedule a new opponent who isn't them? Because it. Is. Hilarious.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    It IS a bit "puzzling" considering byU and Fresno are on a "comparable level".

    That being said, I'd rather see the Utes continue to beat up on the cougs as well.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    The big question here is if the PAc 10.2 will allow Utah to stay in the conference. They have been a huge dissapointment since joining if you don't count..uh, wait I cannot think of a copmpetitive program at Utah. Maybe the WAC will take them back, oh wait, maybe the MWC. Probably not them either. It's a good thing they joined a conference before they tanked.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Nope, sorry. If I was a BYU fan, why would I care? BYU already has a decent schedule lined up. As a Utah fan, I could care less. It appears some Utah fans care, but not this one. BYU is irealavent; not in a BCS conference, not any any conference. It's kinda like dropping Navy from the schedule; big WHOOP! Oh, and losing 3 in a row and 8 of 11 makes you look "weak"; don't kid your self. I do love how the BYU fans flock to Utah threads though.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Justmythoughts:

    "How does having ANOTHER Northern California game increase recruiting? We're not that stupid."

    The Utes will already have 6-7 games/yr played in state. How would having ANOTHER game played in Utah increase our recruiting? And how many games exactly would be too many to play in a recruiting rich state?

    CA recruiting > UT recruiting.

    It looks like Hill and Whittingham are smarter than you. I applaud this decision. Y fans are just spewing sour grapes based on self-interest and self-preservation. Utah doesn't need the Y, but the converse cannot be said from the Y of the U.

    Oh well. That's not our problem.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    Talk about BYU fans stalking the Utah articles....I see your name a lot on BYU articles. Guess it does not go both ways. Typical Utah fan. A sense a bit of hatred for BYU as an institution, not just the fans. Both schools are going different directions and it is for the better. I for one am happy to set them go their different ways. The Utah fans in RES are the worst in the country. I have been to some of the RES games when I lived in Utah and I have never heard such foul mouths, and the beer throwing at BYU players. REAL CLASS ACT!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    TheNun:

    "Wow, reading all of the posts from the cougar nation, you'd think the world is ending because the Utes choose not to play byu."

    Well, in a way, the world sort of HAS ended with their big brother opting to drop their irrelevant program from our schedules. Did you see who they replaced us with? They couldn't get anyone other than the Sun Belt's Middle Tennessee State. And it's a Home-&-Home too. They couldn't get a one-off or a 2-for-1 from them. How mid-majorey.

    Utah > MTSU...

    ...but Y fans had to make do with the MTSU.

    Crushing, but that's what you get when you're a classes program. Nobody will like you.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    ecnarrongifoecioveht

    It's laughable that the team pretending to be soooo much better than the other team, is the team that is running away from the team that is supposed to be sooooo much worse.

    According to Dr. Hill, its not "fair" to force the Utes to play BYU and Michigan in the same season because that would be too tough.

    Your own AD admitted that you're scared of losing to BYU. Now it's time for Utah fans to own it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    patriot:

    "If the Y wants to play the U going forward then they have to get into a BCS conference like the BIG 12."

    Ha! I think we BOTH know that's just not gonna happen. The Y is too mid-majorey for the Big 12. However, there MIGHT STILL be another way...

    ...if Holmoe would accept 2-for-1s from Utah, I could see this rivalry returning once again to its former annual affair.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    atl134 / naval vet

    Stop spinning and just accept at face value what Dr. Hill said was HIS reason for dropping BYU to schedule an easier opponent in 2014 and 2015:

    - it had NOTHING to do with home/away
    - it had NOTHING to do with Utah not having room on their schedule
    - it had NOTHING to do with some fantasy recruiting advantage

    - it had EVERYTHING to do with playing an easier opponent.

    Utah fans have resorted to shooting the messenger in a frantic attempt to distract from the real reason - Dr. Hill was afraid that the Utes could lose Michigan and BYU and not qualify for a bowl, so he scheduled Fresno State instead.

    It's just that simple.

    Why do U insist on claiming that you know more than Dr. Hill?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    So where was the outrage during those years when BYU refused to play Utah State, and where is the outrage about BYU requiring a "two for one" to play them now?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    It's hilarious that Utah fans can't simply accept Hill's explanation that he didn't think the Utes were good enough to face Michigan and BYU in the same season.

    A century-old rivalry tossed aside by a program that no longer values traditions.

    Can't wait to hear how much the Utes kick and scream about tradition when the PAC asks Utah to change its mascot.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    Solomon Levi:

    "Without Utah's two wins over BYU in 2011 and 2012, Utah fans would have absolutely NOTHING to beat their chests about since Utah joined the PAC."

    We might still have had that 2011 Sun Bowl trophy! That's something.

    Sooner or later, you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that the Y is an irrelevant mid-major. This fantasy you all live where Utah's world revolves around Provo is an unhealthy delusion rooted in the very baseless pride that all your former MWC rivals all reviled you over. You're just not that important. If you were, we would have scheduled you. Holmoe sat anxiously by the phone, just waiting for our call.

    Y fans seem to slowly be progressing from the "Denial" stage of the Kubler-Ross model of grief, and crossing gingerly into "Anger". Kudos. That's progress.

    Just remember...after "Anger" comes "Bargaining". I figure that'll be when we see Holmoe picking up the phone, calling Dr. Hill, and accepting that 2-for-1. I'm not sure "when" that'll be, but it'll come.

    Go Utes!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    I think its funny that Utah fans have grown sooooo insecure that they can't even accept Dr. Hill's explanation for why he dropped BYU and added Fresno State for 2014 and 2015.

    Not only did he admit that it wasn't fair to Utah to have to play such a tough schedule, he also said in the same statement that he fully intended to continue the rivalry starting again in 2016.

    Of course, as always, you're full of your own "ha ha ha" "explanations" based on NOTHING but your own BYU-hating biases.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    This is all about recruiting. Playing BYU doesn't help Utah in anyway. It may not be the best for fans, but from a pure football standpoint it does nothing. Playing BYU is emotionally draining for players right before the conference season starts. Plus the animosity between the two teams has reached an all time high and players are beginning to become nasty towards each other. There have been some cheap shots taken by players on both sides. Why would Utah schedule more cheap shots and an emotionally draining game right before they are to play USC or another big time PAC12 rival?

    This move eliminates the downside of BYU and gives Utah a presence in Northern California. Any chance Utah gets to increase exposure to California schools should be taken. BYU and Utah don't compete for too many recruits. Playing BYU won't increase Utah's chance of getting the Utah kids. They seem to be either legacy BYU and won't be swayed or want the opportunity to play big time football with the Utes. Bragging rights doesn't win recruits.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    It must be true according to BYU fans. They claim that Utah is running away from the Cougars. In that case the same must also be said that BYU ran away from UTEP. BYU conspired with other schools to leave the WAC and form the MWC. So how come BYU does not schedule UTEP?
    And BYU ran away from Air Force, Colorado St. Wyoming, New Mexico and San Diego St in the MWC. Why? That's better talent than some of the garbage on BYUs schedule this past season.

    Actually some of those schools are probably glad not putting up with BYU and its fans any more. This place is a great example.

  • hmataele West Valley City, 00
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    In state recruiting especially of Pacific Islanders should be reason enough for Hill to schedule with BYU. Utah State and BYU will get more of them, its okay. It's too bad Hill doesn't see the point. His dislike for the LDS church and all things Utah are showing.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    I said it when it was first announced and I will say it again. Chris Hill saw the chance to distance himself from a Mormon institution and leaped at it. This has nothing to do with strength of schedule, fear of BYU, moving on or anything like that. It is Hill's anti Mormon views coming to the fore again.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    Contracts can be broken Marked it Down. Just ask BYU. Teams have already backed out of agreements with them.
    And Texas runs the Big 12. A new commissioner, actions by Texas, or a combination could alter the Big 12.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    Henry Drummond

    It makes no economic sense for BYU or Utah to play home-and-home at Utah State.

    Romney Stadium holds 25,000

    RES holds 45,000

    LES holds 65,000

    Why should 10,000 Utah and BYU fans be forced to travel to Logan every other year, when the Aggies can't even fill their own stadium during the best season in Utah State history?

    A two-for-one works better for all involved. If you want to make it more fair, split the gate for the extra game at Utah or BYU and call it even. If the Aggies want a home-and-home, then they'll need to build a larger fan base and stadium.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Don't kid yourself.

    The ONLY time Utah fans even mention that irrelevant win over #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) is when Utah fans are frantically searching for something, anything, the Utes have accomplished since joining the PAC, except for beating so-called "irrelevant" BYU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    GordonBlue

    Who exactly has your Cougars beat over that same time span, Tulsa?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    @DownUnder

    Difference is, when I comment on a BYU article, it's generally constructive. I don't troll BYU artiles to pick a fight or be litte the school and program. I dare to you find a comment of mine on a BYU article that says other wise. BYU fans are the most obnoxious in the world. Every one knows it. I don't troll BYU articles, then I would stoop to your level. Now that would be pretty sad and pathetic. It's not my fault that no conference will have BYU. It's karma.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    Do BYU fans really believe that the reason Hill is moving away from playing BYU every year is because of his "dislike" or the Mormon's and "all things Utah"? I just about spit my drink all over my computer as I read these posts. The inferiority complex of being a BYU fan that is also Mormon is amazing. Guys, you aren't being persecuted anymore in Missouri. Hill isn't doing what he is doing because of the Mormons. The PAC12 didn't skip BYU because of the Mormons. Get over it guys.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    go witt... great selection. fresno state has a stellar track record as a football powerhouse.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Utah is playing Fresno State instead of BYU soley to enhance their recruiting in California. No other reason to do so, unless they are tired of the BYU fans. That's OK, because we BYU fans are tired of the Ute fans as well. Utes, we will see you again in a couple of years. Good luck in the PAC 12.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Dec. 17, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    Similar situation were I am at. Two small high schools 8 miles apart well one has a long time coach who will not play local High School. Three years ago they mad 2 divisions for 1a in all sports. And that school is div I. While there are trips many miles away with schools that have neighbors to play they won't play the local school here for some reason. AS long as they are in that proximity I think BYU and Utah should continue to play. Notre DAme and USC play in November quite frequently though the pac 12 is not high on it.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    "Who exactly [sic] has your Cougars beat over that same time span, Tulsa?"

    18th ranked Utah State(11-2) which will probably finish in the Top 15!

    Of course, the Aggies are easy for bcs elitists to overlook, even though they beat U!

    btw, #35 Tulsa was ranked over 20 places HIGHER than #56 Georgia Tech, which, incidentally, unlike the pathetic Utes, was still able to qualify for a bowl again this season.

    Even though Utah fans are so mired in their BYU hatred that they can't admit that the ONLY team of any significance that the Utes have beaten last year and this, is BYU.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    Contracts can be broken, but not unilaterally without, in the case of the Big 12, HUGE costs that no television network would even consider risking. Do you really think that PAC net would risk having a massive lawsuit filled against them by the Big 12?

    We're not talking a simple exit fee here, we're talking about a television rights contract that no network in their right mind would even consider infringing upon.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    I'm a huge UTE fan but won't be myopic enough to know this is all about one thing. MONEY! Would rather see BYU than Fresno and will tell that to Chris Hill's face next time I see him.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    @skywalker
    Hill's stated reason for dropping BYU, that he considered playing Michigan and BYU in the same year UNFAIR to the Utes because it would be TOO TOUGH!

    ----------

    Read what he said again. He said playing Michigan AND Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State, UCLA, USC, Arizona, as ASU was tough enough so why play BYU to make it even tougher.

    If we wanted to play a "weak" team then we could have added teams like BYU plays in 2014: Hawaii, UNLV, Middle Tennessee, or Houston.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    I don't have a problem if Utah wants to kill the rivalry. However, I will be extremely disappointed if, when Utah comes crawling back, BYU kowtows to them and puts them back on the schedule.

    Utah should be held responsible for their decisions.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Dec. 17, 2012 7:30 p.m.

    Tulsa was a good game. The Armed Forces put on a good show. Navy Band, paratroopers at halftime, helicopters on display, Lieutenant Dan Band for post-game entertainment, close game with a memorable outcome.... That is how all BYU games should be.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    I don't know what all the fuss is about. The best team in the State is in Logan!

    It really is pathetic that the University of Utah would choose to play Fresno St. in place of BYU. It's like Ohio State choosing to play Cincinnati in place of Michigan. I could see this if Utah was playing a big name, but this just makes them look either petty or chicken. There's really no other way to look at it.

    And this non-sense that Utah has moved beyond all the instate games is ridiculous. You rushed the field THRICE this year! It is a bad move and a crappy thing to do to college football fans in the state of Utah.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    @panamadesnews

    "Utah is playing Fresno State instead of BYU soley to enhance their recruiting in California."

    I've heard that if a story is repeated enough it will be believed. So to combat this pervasive abuse of the media, especially in this ongoing article and debate I share the following... again.

    Utes have lost 3 times in Fresno and the last bowl game they played (on a neutral field) Utes won by one point.

    How is this kind of performance going to make a difference in recruiting in N. California.

    Are the Utes planning on winning these games in the future??? LOL

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Puzzling? It's incomprehensible.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    @panamadesnews

    I've heard that if a story is repeated enough it will be believed. So to combat this pervasive abuse of the media, especially in this ongoing article and debate I share the following... again.

    Utes have lost 3 times in Fresno and the last bowl game they played (on a neutral field) Utes won by one point.

    How is this kind of performance going to make a difference in recruiting in N. California.

    Are the Utes planning on winning these games in the future??? LOL

    _____________

    Your side owns repeating fantasies and football fables in hopes of being believed.
    How is a 7-5 season with mostly lame wins going to make a difference in recruiting.
    Have you looked at BYUs schedule next year? Do you expect them to win at least half of them??? LOL

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    "Who exactly [sic] has your Cougars beat over that same time span, Tulsa?"

    18th ranked Utah State(11-2) which will probably finish in the Top 15!

    Of course, the Aggies are easy for bcs elitists to overlook, even though they beat U!

    btw, #35 Tulsa was ranked over 20 places HIGHER than #56 Georgia Tech, which, incidentally, unlike the pathetic Utes, was still able to qualify for a bowl again this season.

    Even though Utah fans are so mired in their BYU hatred that they can't admit that the ONLY team of any significance that the Utes have beaten last year and this, is BYU.

    ___________________

    BYU overlooked San Jose St. and look what happened. YOU LOST AGAIN!!!
    Yay! You beat one ranked opponent in the last how many seasons?
    What is significant about beating BYU over and over again?

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    When we join a conference, it will be and admission of independent failure and going for more money.
    With that said, I believe the revised Big East will make another run at BYU with other MWC schools to form a 14-16 football conference. With east-west divisions. Probably will have a new name soon anyway. Sounds like they are looking at selling the Big East name to the basketball schools leaving the conference.

    I will say it, within two seasons BYU will be part of a conference.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    Two words: reading comprehension.

    The question wasn't who did BYU lose to, but who exactly did BYU BEAT, and that would be a Top 25 team that the Utes were incapable of beating.

    btw, finishing 7-5 with a bowl game is light years ahead of finishing 5-7 with no bowl.

    ------------

    Uteology

    Nice spin, as usual, but playing PAC teams is a given.

    What Hill said was Utah isn't good enough to play a PAC schedule AND play TWO strong OOC opponents, which is precisely why Hill dropped BYU and added Fresno State.

    Despite all of the spin coming from the kids on the hill, Dr. Hill obviously doesn't consider Fresno State a strong opponent or he wouldn't have scheduled the Bulldogs instead of the Cougars.

    Bottom line:

    After all of the chest beating about how "competitive" the Utes were going to be in the PAC 12, it's becoming painfully obvious, even to Utah fans, that the Utes are in over their heads, and the Utes need to schedule at least two OOC cupcakes every year just to have a chance to be bowl eligible.

    Exit BYU. Enter Fresno State.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    No clue for U

    Why are Utah fans so obsessed with BYU joining a conference?

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    the difference between byu and Fresno state is the amount of money the u could have made. tickets at rice ecclesiastical to byu could probably sell for twice as much for a byu game. not to mention advertising concessions and all that. Fresno must have thrown in some cash to sweeten the deal. I still have a hard time believing it would make them more money though.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 6:59 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I couldnt care less what Utah does. They once provided a great series every year, now they are a Pac12 bottom dweller and a waste of time to pay ANY attention to. I predicted this- they simply lack the depth to compete with the big boys every week.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    Wac (USU) Paddled My Utes

    "How is a 7-5 season with mostly lame wins going to make a difference in recruiting?"

    Answer: No brainer... Recruits, especially LDS ones, will be more attracted to a winning football team in a bowl game than a 3-6 conference loser MIA in post season.

    "Have you looked at BYUs schedule next year?"

    Answer: Yes I have and Tom Holmoe has delivered on his promise. Jealous? It's the most awesome schedule ever put together in BYU history. It's a prime example that BYU's foray into independence is real and that other teams recognize BYU's legacy and want to play them. It also shows that BYU is not afraid to play tough games unlike the Utes recent announcement of scheduling Fresno State over BYU. (chickens clucking)

    "Do you expect them to win at least half of them???"

    Answer: Yes, I do. If it happens it will be great, If it doesn't I won't be whining about defending my team scheduling Fresno State.

    "Your side owns repeating fantasies and football fables in hopes of being believed"

    Answer:

    The biggest fantasy ever was Ute fans believing of winning in the PAC10.2.

    Rose Bowl? LOL

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    @Sportfan

    Awesome, you beat Tulsa and Utah State. Wow, talk about running some impressive wins. Can some one FedEx Sportfan a Brownie Button?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    mdp

    Good for you. As a Utah fan, I could care less about what BYU does. Two differen't programs. One an independent, one in the PAC 12. Utah doesn't need BYU, and vice versa. That's just the way things go; times have changed.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Craig Frantz

    Who did U beat?

    -----

    Spokane Ute

    The expression is "I COULDN'T care less..."

    "I COULD care less about what BYU does." doesn't make any sense.

    Of course, neither does your statement that you couldn't care less about BYU, because 90% of your posts are about BYU or whining about BYU fans.

    It's laughable that our little friends on the hill keep trying to convince themselves that Utah doesn't need BYU, which is nothing but a short-sighted, juvenile dig at BYU. The reality is, you don't play rivals because you "need" them, you play rivals because you enjoy "competing" against them. On another level, Utah fans do need BYU, because BYU is the measuring stick by which U judge Utah.

    Beating BYU is more important to Utah fans than having a winning conference record. Most Utah fans couldn't tell you the scores of the last two Utah-USC games, without looking them up, but most Utah fans, especially the D-News bloggers, could tell you the scores of the last two BYU-Utah games because they cite them daily.

    That's just the way it is.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Craig Frantz

    When was the last time Utah beat an 11-2 team that finished in the Top 15?

    Currently ranked 18th, Utah State will likely finish around 15th.

    And the Tulsa team you so condescendingly dismissed,

    2011 Rankings
    #34 BYU (10-3)
    #35 Tulsa (8-5)
    #39 Utah (8-5)
    #56 Georgia Tech (8-5)

    BOTH 2011 Armed Forces Bowl teams finished higher than EITHER Sun Bowl team.

    It is interesting that the "prestigious" Sun Bowl that Utah fans were beating their chests about last season, matches USC (7-5) against Georgia Tech (6-7).

  • JD-Dad RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    What can Utah get out of a home & home with Fresno St. that it couldn't get against BYU?

    1. with Fresno we get to listen to all the whining from byu nation
    2. we won't have to hear how the Y lost the game and was not really beat
    3. The most entertaining, we get to listen to all the whining from byu nation

    It is time to move on people. Gollege football is changing. For Y fans, you can't live in the past. Yes the 70s and 80s were great. That's over. U fans can't live for the past bcs bowl wins. Those are gone too. Rality is that both programs are mediocre right now. Both programs will do what it thinks is best for its program and the future.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    "What can Utah get out of a home & home with Fresno St. that it couldn't get against BYU?"

    The truth is, absolutely NOTHING!

    As far as Ute nation is concerned, the Utes might as well be playing Northern Colorado; at least that would be a guaranteed win.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Marked it Down

    Would you like a Brownie Button too?

    "When was the last time Utah beat an 11-2 team that finished in the Top 15?"
    ------
    Actually in 2008-2009 Utah beat an 11-2 top 5 team. I hope that answers your question. While we are asking questions, when was the last time BYU did that? When was the last time BYU played in a BCS Bowl? When was the last time BYU beat 3 ranked teams in one season? When was the last time BYU beat Utah? What in the world does this years Sun Bowl have to to with last years? Nothing!

    As far as caring about BYU, who's on who's thread? I'm merely defending the Utes with Stats and facts. It's not my fault that BYU fans like your self contiuely troll Utah threads to pick an arguement.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Not to be contrarian, but Alabama finished 6th in the AP and Coaches in 2008.

    Since then, it's been all down hill for Utah.

    2008 13-0 #2/#4
    2009 10-3 #18/#18
    2010 10-3 ur/#23
    2011 8-5 unranked
    2012 5-7 unranked, losing record, no bowl

    With 4-5 and 3-6 conference records becoming the norm for Utah, it's not surprising that Hill didn't think the Utes were good enough to qualify for a bowl if they played two strong non-conference opponents in the same season; hence, when the opportunity to play Michigan came along, BYU had to go to make room for a team that wasn't so strong.

    With Stanford and Oregon replacing Washington and California, it's very possible that the Utes could be looking at another losing, bowl-less season in 2013.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    @ PAC man...

    People move on, why can't you, the jealous girlfriend recognize you were dumped. We all have to move past high school (so to speak) and that is what has happened. People just move on...the Utes have moved on...

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    "What in the world does this years Sun Bowl have to to with last years?"

    Last year, Utah fans were falling all over themselves bragging about how "prestigious" the Sun Bowl is.

    So the obvious question is,

    If the Sun Bowl is so prestigious, why was it only able to schedule teams with a combined record of 1 game over .500?

    Doesn't sound all that "prestigious" now does it, regardless of the bowl payout?

    Frankly, the bowl doesn't make the teams attractive, it's the teams that make the bowl attractive.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Wookie

    Some fans like to pretend that their team has "moved on", when in fact, their fans are, have been, and always will be obsessed with the team they supposedly "dumped".

    Embarrassing as it may be for U to accept, the Utes haven't moved on, they're just running away.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    Let's face it - 90% of Utah fans would rather see the Utes play BYU than Fresno St. And 90% of BYU fans would rather see the Cougars play the Utes than Houston. But the media, conference affiliations and money don't care about the fans. They have their own interests to serve; and they are more powerful than the fans. One of the great rivalries will probably turn into an every other year in-state game.

    I understand Utah only wanting to play one in-state school per year with only 3 open slots to fill. I understand BYU wanting to keep the game as an annual game with 12 open slots to fill.

    This has nothing to do with who needs who more. Both programs will be just fine, and neither will reach the dilusional levels fans want them to be.

    Utah will never be a PAC12 perennial power, but U could win the South once or twice a decade.

    BYU will not compete for a National Championship every year, but we could be part of the conversation once or twice a decade (Top 10 or even Top 5).

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    LOTR

    Last year's Sun Bowl matchup was certainly better than this years. A 6-7 team doesn't even seem bowl worthy. The Sun Bowl pays a nice tiddy sum of $2 mill per team. Generally, the better bowls have a bigger payout and are played later in the bowl season. However, that doesn't guarantee a great matchup up: i.e. FSU vs. N. Iowa. I think the SDSU vs. BYU is a good match up. It's too bad BYU is locked into the lower tier bowl(s). Right, wrong or indifferent, the majority of the bowls are tied into conferences, and the better bowls are tied into BCS conferences.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    wookie

    "We all have to move past high school (so to speak) and that is what has happened."

    Nope, that's not what happened at all.

    The Utes are only avoiding the Cougars for a couple of years to play Michigan. The series will continue in 2016.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    The PAC 12 would be better off playing an 8-game conference schedule.

    A 9-game schedule creates a home/away imbalance and saddles the entire conference with an extra 6 losses every year. Conference teams that might been 8-4 and ranked, end up finishing 7-5 and unranked, giving every conference team less opportunities for those all-important "quality" wins. This will become increasingly more important as we move to a playoff.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Sammy. Poor, poor sammy.

    "If it doesn't I won't be whining about defending my team scheduling Fresno State"

    I love the awkward wording of this sentence. Whining about defending. It's almost as if you realized, halfway through writing it, exactly who is really doing all the whining right now.

    Getting owned three years in a row by the team you hate so, so much is really taking its toll on you. It's ok. The scores on the field don't matter. What matters is that you know deep down who the better team is :)

  • #utesnation Centerville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    @mdp

    You should be embarrassed by your comment. Trying to dog the Utes because they have had 2 unsuccessful seasons. Those "Bottom Dwellers" of the PAC have whipped you for the past decade! make sure your ducks are in a row before you start spouting off.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    "The series will continue in 2016."
    Unless it is cancelled (see Ga Tech 2014, 2017). If "the break" turns out to be a good thing, it may become permanent.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    Hill "said" he didn't want to schedule Michigan and little bro in the same season....but didn't have any qualms against scheduling Fresno State that year.

    Hmmm. I wonder how long it'll take our Indy-WACey little brother to read between the lines. YOU need US more than WE need YOU. And we just don't need you. And it looks like Dr. Hill doesn't LIKE you either. Neither do I.

    And for what it's worth, I don't need Y fans to tell me what "most Ute fans want". I'm a Ute fan. And I don't want to play the cougs unless we're getting a 2-for-1. And of the dozen or so Ute fans that I know back here in Philadelphia, there is a grand total of 0 who would prefer to play the Y over FSU.

    It is what it is...and what it is, is an army of Y fans -- not Utah fans -- who want this game to continue. Naturally. Because like I said before...YOU need us! We don't need YOU!

    Have fun with that series with Middle Tennessee. I'm sure dozens of Americans will be watching.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    As Coach Whittingham says, building the program is more important than in-state rivalires against bowl-bound teams.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    LOTR said:

    "Last year, Utah fans were falling all over themselves bragging about how "prestigious" the Sun Bowl is.

    So the obvious question is,

    If the Sun Bowl is so prestigious, why was it only able to schedule teams with a combined record of 1 game over .500?

    Doesn't sound all that "prestigious" now does it, regardless of the bowl payout?

    Frankly, the bowl doesn't make the teams attractive, it's the teams that make the bowl attractive."

    The obvious question is why did Utah's bowl game get higher TV ratings than BYU last year.
    The Sun Bowl is shown on CBS played on Saturday.
    If ESPN thought so much of BYU, then how come their bowl was at a crummy time?

    So there you go. A national TV audience was more interested in a bowl with Utah.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    Just the FAX said:

    ".....Embarrassing as it may be for U to accept, the Utes haven't moved on, they're just running away."

    Nah. Embarrassing as it may be for U to accept. Was asked before.
    Why did BYU run away from UTEP, Air Force, Colorado St......

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Who knows? Maybe the U offered BYU the game and the Y turned it down so they could play Idaho State.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    The response by BYU fans about scheduling Fresno St. is unbelievable. We all knew these changes were coming when Utah stepped up into a big league and only had three non-conference games to deal with. Sometimes change can be hard, but have some dignity.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    BYU fans

    Utah play's at your place next year and then back to RES in 2016. Utah is not chicken to play BYU, Utah has been very successful against BYU the past 20 years. It is a very physical game each year and it is a blast to watch. A Ute fan said that they go back to Judkins, I go back to Merv Jackson in Einar Nielson, my father coached and worked for the U for 48 years, I played and coached there also. I thought I would never say this but it's time to take a break. The hate that excists is way beyond fun anymore.

    Both schools are great and proud institutions, Utah fans and I would assume most of you are quite younger-be patient you have no idea what we have right now, and I'm sorry but we no longer need BYU. BYU fans the hate and jealous rants I can understand Utah is now in one of the great conferences in the country, it's hard not to be welcome, down deep you all know that the envy you have is hard to deal with.

    Two years-time to take a break.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    sammyg:

    "[The cougars' 2013 schedule is] the most awesome schedule ever put together in BYU history. It's a prime example that BYU's foray into independence is real and that other teams recognize BYU's legacy and want to play them."

    Not really. It's more like a prime example that when you're an irrelevant independent, you have to schedule one-offs and 2-for-1s with nationally branded programs, and Home-&-Home series with weak weak SOS C-USA/Big [L]East, and Sun Belt teams.

    "It also shows that BYU is not afraid to play tough games unlike the Utes recent announcement of scheduling Fresno State over BYU."

    It also shows that the Y has little choice in who they'll schedule. There's only so many one-offs and 2-for-1s a team can schedule without dropping below 6 Home games/yr. Furthermore, when one is scheduling Home-&-Homes with teams like MTSU, just how desperate they've become to get anyone to agree to play them.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "Let's face it - 90% of Utah fans would rather see the Utes play BYU than Fresno St."

    Let's face it. You made that up. And you made that up because YOU would rather play the Utes than Houston. You! Not 90% of Ute fans! And since you're not a Ute fan, what do know anything about what 90% of Ute fans want?

    "This has nothing to do with who needs who more."

    Correction: This has EVERYTHING to do with who needs who more. You need us; we don't need you. We put the series on hiatus, and the fans of the team who needs us more than we need them are the vast majority of the ones howling over it. It's really quite simple.

    "BYU will not compete for a National Championship every year, but we could be part of the conversation once or twice a decade..."

    Right...but only in the sense that they've been part of the conversation all along. And that is cougar fans and their head coach will proclaim THEMSELVES as in the picture, thus creating that conversation. Everyone else will just snicker about it.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    I wonder how long it will take for you to lay of the little girly indy wac stuff. You sound like a kindergartener.

    ---------

    upinthenight

    You're grasping at straws. UTEP, Air Force, Colorado St. have never been BYU rivals.

    Utah's bowl got higher ratings last year because it was played on Saturday morning instead of Friday morning. No explanation needed for whose bowl will get higher ratings this year.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    Where did Utah Alum go? He was telling me how most Utah fans are upset about not playing BYU? The last 15-20 post confirm my stance, most Utah fans could care less about BYU. Of course there's a few closet BYU fans, and fair weather fans that think other wise.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    midwacmajor:

    "I wonder how long it will take for you to lay of the little girly indy wac stuff."

    When the Y stops being a girly Indy-WACey team of course. Duh!

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    MLH

    "Utah is not chicken to play BYU, Utah has been very successful against BYU the past 20 years."

    That's not what Utah's ADD said.

    Chris Hill said that playing Michigan AND BYU in the same season would be UNFAIR to the Utes since that would force the Utes to play too TOUGH a schedule.

    So Hill dropped BYU and added Fresno State to make Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules EASIER.

    The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from both Hill's words and his actions is he thinks that playing Fresno State instead of BYU gives Utah a much better chance of getting the two or three non-conference wins the Utes desperately need to qualify for a bowl.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    2fer

    The shame and embarrassment and rationalizing of Utah fans is understtandable.

    When your own AD admits that he dropped BYU because he's afraid of losing to the Cougars that's a bitter pill for Ute nation to swallow.

    ------

    navel vet

    BYU isn't the girly conference bottom dweller who's running away from the rivalry.

    It's hilarious that U continue to insult WAC teams since the main reason the Utes aren't bowling this season is because U were incapable of beating the ONLY WAC team U faced. Of course that's nothing new to a program that's made a habit of regularly losing to WAC teams for the last 50 years.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    naval vet

    Let's face it; most of the stuff you post is simply made up.

    Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because Hill thought it would be an easier game for the Utes to win.

    Hill chose to take a two-year break from THE most anticipated sporting event in the state of Utah in order to give his team a better chance to qualify for a bowl.

    It's as simple as that.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    UtesNation. I apologize, I should have said Utah will be a PAC-12 perennial bottom dweller in the major mens sports. Their women's gymnastics team is pretty good.

    BYU probably cannot be competitive against the top teams for the same reason, but from a different cause (their recruiting policies that tend to exclude the best world-class athletes on moral grounds).

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    Utah St. wasn't the only WAC team we faced. We also faced the cougars. And we beat them. That puts as 1-1 vs. the WAC this year, and that sole blemish was against the 18th-ranked team in the nation, in Logan, and in OT.

    "BYU isn't the girly conference bottom dweller who's running away from the rivalry."

    Utah isn't running away from a team we'd beaten 8 of the last 11 times. Don't be so frantic and emotional. And speaking rivalry games, what happened bwtween you and NM State? Two yrs in a row on rivalry weekend, but I don't see them on any of your future schedules. What happened with that? Are you running away from the rivalry?

    "Of course that's nothing new to a program that's made a habit of regularly losing to WAC teams for the last 50 years."

    Uh...WE weren't the ones regularly scheduling WAC teams. That was YOU guys. How did you do last time you were up there in Logan. I believe you got an easier Aggie team too. Weren't they 4-8 that season?

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Isn't it funny how everyone who is trying to claim that Utah fans are "just as upset" about the schedule... are byu fans?

    Haha this Ute fan loves the way our 2014 is looking: Michigan, Fresno, and a full Pac 12 schedule. Sorry this seems to be burning you up, haters, but we're just fine with it :)

    Go Utes!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    scenic view:

    "Let's face it; most of the stuff you post is simply made up."

    That sounded made up. Would you like go tit for tat? You post something that I allegedly made up, and see if I can't back it up with verifiable fact, and I'll do likewise with you.

    I'll start:

    You said, "Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because Hill thought it would be an easier game for the Utes to win."

    Rebuttal: Dr. Hill said, "I can’t expect us to play 11 really, really difficult games in a season...The reality is, we have an unusual opportunity and we had to do what was best for the student-athletes."

    That's an ACTUAL quote...not some Y fans's made up, paraphrased interpretation fraudulently enclosed in quotation marks.

    And with that he scheduled....Michigan!

    Not FSU.

    FSU was added 5-months later. And at the time FSU was added, it was ranked in the same league as the cougars. So it isn't scheduling up OR down. This is a FACT. Do you have any facts to rebut mine?

    If not, you lose.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    8 of the last 11, and 3 in a row.

    Keep telling yourself that Utah is "afraid", but the numbers speak for themselves.

    Utah is playing Michigan instead of the Y, for obvious reasons. If we didn't have the UM series it would be BYU and Fresno. There is no shame or embarrassment. Just people who understand how CFB scheduling works, and those who whine about it....

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    "When your own AD admits that he dropped BYU because he's afraid of losing to the Cougars that's a bitter pill for Ute nation to swallow."

    The hard pill to swallow is that Hill did NOT say that. Y fans did. And that frantic and emotional claim was just spewed out of sour grapes for being rejected again, and at a time when you desperately needed us to play you. Ever since then, cougar fans have been trying to shame/bully us into putting you back on our schedule, but it hadn't worked. And that's because WE don't have anything we need to prove. You do. You need to prove to your fans that as an independent, you're not irrelevant. But the facts remain...

    (1) Your 2013 Home schedule reflects Texas, Utah, Ga. Tech, BSU, and Middle Tenn. LES hadn't sold out a game since Utah ran out on your field back in Sept. 2011. Texas should fill it, but that gives the Y only 2 solid home games. Texas was a 2-for-1, and GT already cancelled their remaining games beyond next season. Utah won't return until 2017.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    What do you base Fresno State being an easier opponent, than BYU on?

    Sagarin Ranking:
    BYU = #32
    Freson State = #37

    RPI Ranking:
    BYU = #54
    Fresno State = #29

    If anything, Fresno will be tougher. A lot more Utah fans can make the trip to Provo, then to Fresno. If anything, Utah upgraded it's schedule ever so slightly. It certainly didn't down grade it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    anti BCS (cont):

    (2) Your 2014 Home schedule reflects UVa, Houston, Utah St, Hawai'i, So. Miss, and UNLV. Who among THIS crowd is expected to draw in the fans? Wisconsin was a one-off, so they aren't scheduled to return. And you still have that 2nd game at Texas that was part of your 2-for-1. Nobody cares about the teams in the Big East and C-USA.

    THIS is essentially why you cougar fans are crying so hysterically. Without Utah or Texas at LES, fan interest plummets.

    Utah, on the other hand, will see the instate Aggies and Wildcats in 2013, but ALSO see ASU, CU, Ore St, Stanford, and UCLA. Apart from Weber, that's a solid Home slate. In 2014, the Utes will host Fresno, USC, Ariz, Oregon, and Wash St. I don't know who the 6th Home opponent will be, but I've heard rumors that it'll be Idaho St, so apart from ISU, not a bad Home schedule.

    So who needs the cougars?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    naval vet

    It's laughable that you chose to ignore the 2nd half of Hill's quote:

    "It [playing Michigan] made our already tough schedule that much tougher and I DID NOT THINK IT WAS FAIR to our football program to schedule BYU on those years."

    So he dropped BYU and added Fresno State.

    The ONLY logical conclusion being, Hill thinks the Bulldogs are an easier opponent.

    Which is nearly identical to what scenic view said:

    "Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because Hill thought it would be an easier game for the Utes to win."

    btw, as long as Utah has Colorado, Washington State, and a Big Sky team on their schedule every year, the Utes will NEVER have "11 really, really difficult games in a season."

    Call us when you beat your first PAC 12 team with a winning record.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    arrogant chicken

    If there are one group of fans in this country that should not talk about scheduling teams that they have a better chance at beating is a byu fan. I just checked your 2013 schedule and right now you have 4 games that have not been scheduled. Holmoe will schedule teams that BYU should beat, no one is left for you to play other than NMSU, Idaho, and other schools that have nowhere to go.

    arrogant-you are just saying things tho be saying things now. Holmoe will always make sure that you have your built in wins, the mission of the Y is exposure. You do not have a conference to play in so you will always have to settle for sub par teams because as I have said that's all that is left for you to play.

    Scenic View

    "Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because Hill thought it would be an easier game for the Utes to win."

    What is wrong with that-byu has Hawaii on it's schedule for the next 10 years. Utah does not have built in wins like the y does.

    BYU fans time to take a break

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "What do you base Fresno State being an easier opponent, than BYU on?"

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 finishes
    BYU 5
    FSU 0

    Bowl Games
    BYU 5-2
    FSU 1-4

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 5
    FSU 0

    Losing Seasons
    BYU 0
    FSU 2

    Overall Record
    BYU 72-29
    FSU 57-45

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    160+ comments and not a single good reason for continuing the series.
    Most popular? "If Utah doesn't play BYU, they're chicken."

    Classy.

    I challenge a BYU fan to come up with a valid, positive reason to continue the series.

    Tradition? Utah's non-conference schedule next year is chock full of tradition and is completely boring. USU, Weber, BYU? Ugh! Poor scheduling, Dr Hill.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    @Phoenix
    Nice job of driving your time machine around the thread, as usual. Pretty cool how you forecast 2014 & 2015 based on what BYU did in 2005. You do realize that this was Tim DeRuyters first year at Fresno State don't you? Fresno state finished 9-3 this year. Based on the current season, this is a step up for Utah's schedule (as opposed to playing BYU); don't kid your self.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    phoenix:

    "It's laughable that you chose to ignore the 2nd half of Hill's quote:"

    It's laughable that you and your Indy-WACey fanbase had chosen to ignore ALL of his quote. Nowhere in Hill's statement did he say he was "afraid" to schedule the Indy-WACers.

    And AGAIN, FSU was scheduled in December. The Y was dropped in July....at the same time we added Michigan. Michigan > Y.

    And, Fresno recruits > Provo recruits.

    "Call us when you beat your first PAC 12 team with a winning record."

    ...said the frantic and emotional fan who, at 2:57 today, replied to Spokane Ute with something along the lines of "During the Bronco/Kyle era..."

    And DURING that era, Utah beat 7 BCS teams with at or above .500, for a .368 average, if your rounded down. Our little brother on the other hand, only beat 4, for a .308 average...if you rounded UP. And Utah's opponents had a .644 (rounded down) winning average, while our little brother's opponents had a .563 (rounded UP).

    Call us when you have a relevant team that doesn't inflate your W/L average with weak WAC teams.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 18, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA

    navel vet

    BYU isn't the girly conference bottom dweller who's running away from the rivalry.

    It's hilarious that U continue to insult WAC teams since the main reason the Utes aren't bowling this season is because U were incapable of beating the ONLY WAC team U faced. Of course that's nothing new to a program that's made a habit of regularly losing to WAC teams for the last 50 years.

    ________________

    BYU is the independent bottom feeder scheduling anyone that will take them, and later back out of the contract.
    BYU made a habit for the past 50 years they are not real conference material. That's nothing new.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    Everybody hates us.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    Ute fans defending this Fresno State fiasco is hilarious. The level of bitterness, jealousy and arrogance exuding from some of these Ute responses is off the charts.

    You guys do realize that most of 'us' BYU fans have moved beyond the 2 year hiatus but this is sure fun mocking this scheduling decision and quite revealing to see how sensitive Ute fans are about it.

    Post season is quite fun from a Cougar fan perspective.

    Is being third place as fun for you as it is for me?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    @sammyg

    Post season is quite fun from a Cougar fan perspective.

    ------------

    Why? You enjoy getting exposed as a weak team?

    Postseason bowl record: 12–17–1 (.417)

    Actually, preseason is fun from a Cougar perspective. That's when they have "top 10 receivers", "playing for a national champion", have a "top 10 team".

    Did I miss anything?

    Oh yes, they celebrate in week one like they won a national championship:

    "People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks.
    And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated [a win over eventual 8-5 Oklahoma]."

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Based on the current season, playing Utah is a step down for Fresno State's schedule."

    sammyg is absolutely correct in his assessment that Ute fans defending this Fresno State fiasco are hilarious. The level of bitterness, jealousy and arrogance exuding from some of these Ute responses is off the charts.

    Obviously the characterization of the Utes chickening out and running away from the series has hit a nerve. What's really laughable is Utah fans continuing to talk trash when their team has sunk so low that they aren't even capable of beating a WAC team to qualify for a bowl.

    LOL!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:57 p.m.

    Uteology

    BYU has played as many ranked teams in bowls as Utah has played bowls.

    Of course you always conveniently ignore that little detail when posting bowl records, don't you?

    BYU's bowl opponents include a who's who of elite, undefeated, and Top 25 teams.

    Except for Alabama, Utah's bowl opponents have been a bunch of cupcakes.

    When Utah has played as many ranked teams in bowls as BYU has, then U can talk.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Oh yes, they celebrate in week one like they won a national championship:

    People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks.
    And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated [a win over eventual 8-5 Oklahoma]."

    No, BYU celebrated like they'd beaten an elite, 3rd ranked team led by the 2008 Heisman Trophy winning quarterback in a made for television game played in the Taj Mahal of football stadiums.

    Unlike the Utes who rushed the field THREE times for surviving a home game against an "irrelevant" 2-0 team.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    BYU made a habit out of becoming a perennial Top 25 team, winning National Championships, Heisman Trophies, multiple national individual awards, having numerous players inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame, and becoming a well enough respected national brand to be able to sign an 8-year exclusive television contract with ESPN, all without having to rely on any particular conference to validate their existence, unlike that bunch of "conference of champions" bottom dwellers who rely on the reflected light of the big boys of the conference to validate their existence.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    uteology

    Thank you for proving my point. LOL

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Only a desperately delusional Utah fan would try to spin replacing hundred year old rival and perennial Top 25 team with a team that hasn't cracked the Top 25 since 2004 as an "upgrade" to their schedule.

    As Sammy put it, the level of bitterness, jealousy and arrogance exuding from some of these Ute responses is off the charts.

    Despite their pretended interest now, not a single Utah fan will be anxiously scanning Utah's newly announced schedules in 2014 and 2015 to see when the Utes are playing the Bulldogs.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:09 a.m.

    What exactly do Ute fans have to be bitter and jealous about?

    I'm excited that Utah has a chance to compete for a Rose Bowl berth every season. The Beehive Boot means nothing to me.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    2fer

    "I'm excited that Utah has a chance to compete for a Rose Bowl berth every season."

    That's what Arizona fans were saying 30+ years ago when the Wildcats joined the PAC 10.

    Unfortunately, Utah fans are only deluding themselves if they think that the Utes are actually "competing" for a Rose Bowl, when the Utes have never beaten a single PAC 12 team with a winning record since entering the league.

    It'll be so hilarious when the Utes finish with losing records and no bowls in 2014 and 2015, and the only thing they have to brag about is beating Fresno State.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Phoenix

    You never answered the question. What do Ute fans have to be bitter and jealous about?

    That's great about Arizona, but I don't cheer for the Wildcats. I'm optimistic that Utah can be a successful team in the PAC-12 going forward.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 19, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    twofer

    "What do Ute fans have to be bitter and jealous about?"

    Despite Utah's big boy conference membership and head-to-head success against BYU, the Cougars have still been more successful overall.

    2011
    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    Utah(8-5) unranked, unranked, #39 Sagarin

    2012
    BYU(7-5) bowl game
    Utah(5-7) no bowl

    Utah fans bluster about BYU's weak "WAC schedule", yet Utah fans are bitter and jealous that BYU is playing in a bowl partly because BYU was able to beat a WAC team that the Utes were incapable of beating. The Utes are only 1-2 versus the WAC since Utah was invited to join the PAC during the summer of 2010.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    BYU fans-WOW something hit a nerve.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    MLH

    I'd say it's just the opposite. BYU fans hit the nerve, and Utah fans are reacting.

    The myth of Utah's supposed "big boy conference superiority" is being destroyed as Utah sinks farther and farther into the conference basement.

    Running away from BYU is further destroying that "superiority" narative and Utah fans have been left with nothing but lame excuses and spin to explain why Utah is no longer good enough to play a couple of quality out of conference opponents in the same year.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    @MLH

    haha yeah... getting owned three times in a row by the team they love to hate has clearly turned fascination into obsession for a few bitter cougies.

    They make it more clear every time they follow and comment on every article about Utah football. Best part is, they don't even realize it :)

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    eciovsseleulc

    "getting owned three times in a row"???

    Since when is losing two of the three games on a blocked FG on the last play of the game and a mis-snap scoop and score "getting owned".

    The truth is, U won the battle, but lost the war, and now you're running away from the fight.

    The Utes have become the laughing stock of the state for their cowardice and the saddest part is, they don't even realize why.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 19, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    Sorry cougie. Utah won the battle AND the war.

    (1) Utah owns the Y in the all-time series by a generation.

    (2) Utah just won our 3rd game in a row vs. our WAC-ish and mid-majorey little brother, with an average margin of victory of 16-pts.

    (3) Utah won 8 of the last 11. With a .727 winning average, cougar fans can't escape the fact that Utah's dominance wasn't "flukish".

    The rivalry is over. We won. You lost. Perhaps you should try a new one with New Mexico St. -- your opponent on "Rivalry Weekend" these past 2 seasons. Or are you running away from it?

    As if the Y wasn't already the biggest laughingstock in the state, they STILL try to spin the facts into duping themselves into thinking they have the upper hand. Don't you just hate it when Utah fans won't let you lie to yourselves? Every time you do, Ute fans point it out, and you all come crashing back down into the bitter depths of reality.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 19, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    The sooner you come to the realization that Ute fans aren't impressed with the number of WAC wins you've all inflated your overall record these past 2 seasons, the sooner you'll come to the realization how WAC-ish and mid-majorey we all think you are.

    Um...on 2nd thought, that realization might be a bit too harsh for you come to. Best you stick with the fantasy that Ute fans -- and the whole of the college football world -- are super impressed with your record vs. the WAC.

    [*snicker*]

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    @ anti BCS

    BYU has had a better record for the past two seasons because they have played a significantly weaker schedule. That is the sole reason.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    2fer

    BYU's record wasn't just better because BYU played a weaker schedule, BYU was a better team, the rankings prove that.

    BYU wouldn't have lost to 10-loss Colorado at home with the PAC south title on the line.

    and,

    BYU didn't lose to Utah State with a bowl berth on the line.

    Bronco doesn't lose to bad teams.

    Kyle does.

    So, stop whining about not being able to beat a single decent team in the PAC 12, because you haven't even beaten all of the bad PAC 12 teams you've played.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    @ BC

    Pretty bold statements. I'm pretty sure before this season you have guaranteed BYU would have beat SJSU. And you don't know if BYU would have escaped with a win over the Aggies had that game been played in Logan.

    However say whatever you have to make yourself feel better. Hard to argue with the scoreboard 8 of the last 11 years. That is an undeniable trend.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    Well its being reported tonight that BYU is in the mix to join a conference. Either the MWC or BE.
    The BE has reached out to UNLV and Fresno St, and has had continual talks with BYU. The Cincinnati AD spilled the beans a bit and said the BE is pushing forward to create a western division for football.

    And as reported before. SDSU, BSU and BYU are indeed speaking with the MWC. ESPN is floating a new TV contract proposal for the conference after 2013.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    @anti BCS

    BYU's bowl opponents include a who's who of elite, undefeated, and Top 25 teams.

    Except for Alabama, Utah's bowl opponents have been a bunch of cupcakes.

    ----------

    Utah has played 4 AP ranked teams since 2000: #4 Bama, #10 Boise, #18 Pitt, #24 Georgia Tech, #28 Southern Miss.

    In those games: 4-1 (Utah was ranked lower in all games except for Pitt)

    BYU since 2000:
    #16 Oregon State vs #15 BYU
    #23 Louisville vs #16 BYU

    In those games: 1-1

  • utahmanmi KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    I agree with Hollis, Fresno State gives the Ute fan little comfort. The feeling is, that even with the hard times the Utes have been facing battling for respect in the Pac 12, we Ute fans can take some solace knowing that the Utes, a very least, beat-up the little neighbor kid from Provo. The hard knocks of this stacked PAC 12 conference are softened a bit when the Utes, at very least, can pick on our old rival just for fun. It makes us feel better. Chris Hill should get us either a patsy game or a big name team from say, the Big 10 or SEC. If not, then allow us to beat up the kid from the neighborhood.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    Swoop
    Salt Lake City, UT

    MLH

    I'd say it's just the opposite. BYU fans hit the nerve, and Utah fans are reacting.
    ------------
    Who's on who's thread crying and moaning? Sorry, the programs are going in two different directions. One at the Big Boy (BCS) table. One as a nomad, who's cant find a conference. It must be rough being on the outside looking in. Would you like me to Fedex you some Pamprin?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    BC

    None of these Ute fans are whinning, we leave that up to you guys. We know what its like to play a hard schedule. BYU has had at-least 6 games the previous two years that were structured for you to win, no Ute on here is saying that you (BYU) has not got a good team we are just saying that the two teams are taking different paths. Utah's football schedule is much tougher, harder, what ever way you want to put it than your cougars. If you know anything about the college game you would know this. I could care less about all these computer rankings and such. Just remember when you guys were playing Hawaii the U was playing USC, when we were playing Arizona the mighty cougs were playing Idaho, we could go on.

    Learn the game, take the hate out, you have a great program down there but you are not playing against the players the U has the last two seasons. You should look forward to next year, BYU has got a pretty good schedule but Holmoe has still scheduled those 6 wins.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 21, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    scenic view:

    At the top of pg 9, I said:

    "That sounded made up. Would you like go tit for tat? You post something that I allegedly made up, and see if I can't back it up with verifiable fact, and I'll do likewise with you...I'll start..."

    That was 3 days ago, and you have totally disappeared. So I guess it's safe to say that you "ran away" from the discussion, having nothing of substance to add or refute anything I said, and having been thoroughly reproved by me.

    That's what I thought.