Moment come, moment go.
LDS missionaries have their work cut out for them. With only 1-2% of the
American population LDS, and apparently little progress being made on the
Romney-boosted PR front, this doesn't bode well for their hopes of
converting many of us.
That's shocking that ask many people don't consider Mormons Christian!
I'd like to hear a "mainstream Christian church" definition.
@Millsap fanI'd say the two biggest things people use to say the LDS
church isn't Christian are1. lack of belief in the Trinity
doctrine2. use of additional "scriptures" (in quotes because they
don't believe the Book of Mormon of course) beyond the BiblePersonally, I consider the LDS church to be a Christian faith. @EmajorConsidering what half the nation thinks of Romney, I'd
consider it a win that the poll didn't find a spike in people using terms
like "liars". So at least people don't seem to be projecting
negative views of Romney onto the rest of the church.
Failure to increase approval of the many positive aspects of the LDS faith is
not the fault of the LDS church or its members.Given the horrible
misinformation spewed about Mitt Romney, and the subtle innuendos about his
character and beliefs, it is surprising that most people do not think that
Mormons all have horns, and need peculiar underwear to conceal their tails.This election was sad confirmation that truth is not longer a criteria
admired by most of the major news media, and is totally rejected by the liberal
politicians and their thuggish supporters.Anyone who has actually
lived around members of the LDS faith cannot help but to admire their high moral
standards, strong work ethic, self reliance and caring for others. (All, of
course, anathema to the left.) As for the "Christian"
factor, that is something best left to the theologians to discuss. But absent a
definitive ruling, it provides an opportunity to be exploited by those hostile
to the LDS church, or specific members of that faith.
we may have won some and lost some, but what REALLY should be considered here is
how much the average American has shifted in his/her values and beliefs even
further from the LDS values ... and THAT is shocking.
"Anyone who has actually lived around members of the LDS faith cannot help
but to admire their high moral standards, strong work ethic, self reliance and
caring for others. (All, of course, anathema to the left.) "Really? DNews subscriber the second? Please. I've lived around them my
whole life. I could tell you stories. But, here's one thing I've
noticed about them: their inflated sense of self worth. Definitely unearned.
I guess I'm weird, but if I don't have a good understanding of
something, I get on the web and read up on it from many different sources to
have some real knowledge.If many Americans still don't have a
factual knowledge of Mormonism after the "Mormon moment," they just
haven't taken the initiative to find out.That's fine if
they're not interested--but it isn't fine if they let only one source
(or soundbite) tell them what Mormonism is, and then repeat it as fact.This doesn't just apply to Mormonism but to everything. I think
we've become a country of soundbites and "quick cuts" from one
subject to another, without taking time to think critically about what
we've just heard.But I guess a pop musical showing missionaries
as (albeit well-meaning) doofuses is all you need to become an authority on
something. Very sad.(I'm not a Mormon, by the way, and I have
my own issues with the Church. But I do like to know what I'm talking
about before I open my mouth.)
This was a political campaign about a vision for the future, not a debate over
whether someone who is LDS should be disqualified on religious grounds. At the
end of the day, that is the most important thing. With that in mind, I
wouldn't be too concerned about how much people know about Mormon beliefs.
Keep in mind that the two vice presidential candidates were Catholics and I
would not be surprised if most Mormons would flunk a test on their beliefs.
While I'm not LDS I would think that most Mormons should be pleased to find
that they are now recognized as part of the political mainstream.
I was impressed by how successfully Romney himself and his campaign managed to
not pull in the church, other than a couple of references to his personal
experiences as a volunteer. That bodes well for LDS people running
on the national scene in the future, because it defuses some arguments that
allude to them being beholden to act in office how the church leaders might want
them to. I spent dozens of hours talking with non-LDS about LDS
beliefs here in Dallas spurred from the Romney candidacy and related news
articles. Most had never known anyone who was a member and had some questions
about things they read. All were open minded from my view and just wanted a
view on points from someone in the church vs. outsider's views.The next one who comes along will benefit from this public peeling of the
onion, if you will - and I happen to like onions. ;)
Amusingly predictable to see hutty and atl among the first to try to throw oil
in the anti Mormon fire.As usual, it doesn't work no matter how much
they spew.Once again, another study or poll taken castes a less than
positive light on the LDS church.I wonder where the numbers came from?Regardless, I would suspect that many thousands would at the very least praise
the efforts of helping hands. And will never forget who the Mormons are.And if there were only a few who's minds were open enough to learn
something not coming from a slanted media. I suspect that many have had a
genuine change of heart in how they see the LDS church.It's like the
kid throwing starfish back into the ocean. We may have only influenced a few for
good, but each one was someone worth reaching and hopefully touching their
heart.This is a tough time of year.With so much criticism and
negativism that passes through these threads, it makes me wonder who many of us
are in real life.I hope that we're all better than we come across in
many of these comments.
@AZrodsI personally didn't find Atl's comment inflammatory
in the least, if anything it was merely a neutral explanation.As for
poll's veracity, this past election showed how poll's and their data
may not be a clear indicator of fact. The election was not nearly as close as
expected.Really, exposure is exposure and can be used as a positive.
misinformation abounds.How about this.30+% of self
labeled Republicans believe that Obama is a Muslimandsome polling
shows that 65% of Republicans have doubts about Obama being a US citizen.Why is that? How many are appalled by the
"uninformed" views of the LDS church but are quick to promote false
claims about Obama?
@DN Subscriber 2;I'm sorry, but lying isn't a "high
moral value" and while Mitt may not be representative of the average Mormon,
he took lying to the level of Art Form.@across the sea;Pretty arrogant of you. Seems like you think Mormon "values" are the
only valid ones. Tsk.@Free Agency;You referred to the
LDS Church as "the church" as if there were only one. That is a very
Mormon thing to do.@Henry Drummond;Very true.
@RanchHandI think you're being overly nit-picking when you say
my referring to the Mormon Church as "the Church" in my posting implies
that Mormonism is the *only* church. If I'd intended that, I would have
said something like "the true Church."Once I indicated in my
posting that I was talking about the Mormon Church, I think most people would
have realized that my subsequently referring to it as "the Church" was
my abbreviated reference, not my declaration that Mormonism is the only
church.Try this one: "A man and a woman, identified as Jim Smith
and Helen Brown, started an argument. The man soon struck the woman, causing
her a severe injury."Does "the man" imply that Jim Smith
is the only man who exists? I don't think so.BTW, though what
I supposedly did was a "very Mormon thing to do," again, I'm not a
Mormon--and certainly not a proselytizer for the Church. Oops--for the Mormon
@AZRodsI'm not sure how my comment where I state that I personally
believe the LDS church is Christian and that it's a good thing people
didn't project Romney's lying tendencies onto the rest of the church
is an anti-Mormon post. Anti-Romney yes, but hardly anti-Mormon.
I don't know why anyone would really be surprised by this poll. In
reality, most people in the United States don't know a whole lot about
their own religion, let alone about another religion. For LDS members, the past
election provided additional opportunities for the citizens of this country to
hear the term, "Mormon Church", and associate it with more positive
feelings instead of negative. In that sense, it was a positive experience.
Hoping for anything more is being optimistic. For the few who were or are
searching for something more, they were given enough information to know where
to look. It is up to individual LDS members to be ready and willing to open
their mouths when the opportunity arises. Those opportunities are readily
available if you are not afraid to engage in polite conversations with all those
you meet in every day situations.
While I agree with @Free Agency's point and syntax, as a member of The
Church it would be disingenuous of me to believe that I know in fact that that
is the case and then be flaky about even in my my written correspondence. Logic
tells me there either is or is not a God (as well as things about Him [even
gender]), and that either there is one only or no single religion representing
Him on the earth. Cannot be more than one -- otherwise they'd be the same.
Which is not the same thing as saying lots of people of all sorts of religious
persuasions both Christian and not please Him with the good things that they do
and the service they render. But I know both that He exists and that (through
His Son Jesus Christ, whose name it bears) that is His Church, the one on the
earth that is officially His -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
whose members are succinctly nick named Mormons.
We join the Christian world in worshiping Jesus Christ who is Our Master, and
invite all good people of the earth to learn of Him, to follow Him and to avail
themselves of His Atonement in returning to the One God, our Father, who is the
sole deity that ultimately all mankind will recall as the true root of their
worship/non-worship. They both exist; are very real. If you want to know more,
The Church maintains numerous easily found websites and portals for educating
people -- whenever they/anyone are ready, in political season or not.
People don't know much about Mormonism because frankly, they don't
Brent T - If our God was once a man, who had a God, how can there be only one
And if there is eternal progression, wouldn't God's God have continued
to progress along with God? In that case, wouldn't God's God be even
more worthy of worship than God? After all, our God worships him.