Every Division I school in the nation should meet in a large room, duke it out
to decide once and for all with whom they are going to affiliate, and then stop
all this nonsense.
An embarrassment what we've done?I'm guessing DH would
have a different opinion if his Cougars had found a home in the PAC 12 or the
Big 12.Embarrassment? I suppose I can understand that sentiment
from those who have been left out. But for those with sufficient
value to be included among the Big 5, the result of realignment has been quite
It appears that unless you jump/are invited into the SEC, Big TEN, Big 12 or the
PAC 12, you could be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. As long as
BYU/ESPN partner, along with the BYU Network, BYU would be wise to stay
independent upgrading their schedule as the opportunities arise.
Re: The Jimmer, Okemos, MI @12:25 p.m. Dec. 14, 2012Mr.The Jimmer
presents a pretty good plan.But there will be certain schools that
no one will want to associate with. Or, perhaps schools that will demand rights
and concessions that no other school demands.What shall we do with
Who is we, Howard? I'm thinking BYU is better served as an independant
rather than a consistant cellar dweller of an AQ conference. Waiting for the
dust to settle appears to be the wiser choice.
This new Howard S. guy sure does think highly of him and his peeps on the hill.
The "satisfactory result of realignment"? - only if looking through
one's own narrow perspective. Good for the whole of college sports?
Decidedly not, in my opinion. The Big 10 misnomer with 12 teams and
growing to 14 stretching from Nebraska to New Jersey doesn't even make
numerical sense. The so-called Big 12 with 10 teams? At least the Big 12 makes
geographical sense. The SEC with midwestern Mizzou and southwestern Texas
A&M? The Big East in shambles taking intermountain BSU and west coast SDSU?
It's geographical nonsense if the Big East survives this "satisfactory
realignment." Century-old rivalries like the Longhorns and the Aggies not
playing each other? Utah dumping BYU for Fresno? We get a little more
recruiting exposure in CA, but southern Californians could care less about
Fresno unless their kids go there.The Pac 12 makes geographic,
financial, and institutional sense. It might even help the U get into the
prestigious AAU. Realignment is driven by football schools trying
to get into a BCS automatic qualifying conference (driven by the idiocy of the
BCS format) or conferences trying to increase TV market penetration. We're
lucky UT and OU said no. Now let's play like we belong!
@LindonManhowie is not "new around here. He simply slunk away in
shame under his rock while this latest football season was underway. Now that it
is over he has reappeared since he appears to have gotten over the humiliation
of 5-7, or at least he is tryng to get over that humiliation. he'll be
around until next years losing commences and then he'll slink away again.
Kinda like naval vet who also dissapeared for a few months while utah was on its
losing streak then all of a sudden re-appeard when they won a game. Ditto
christina b.You'll see this pattern repeated over and over
again as the years progress because what we saw this year will be the standard
for utah football and what we see from those 3 is the standard for utah
@duckJust gotta get your daily cut in, don't you? Don't
you have anything better to do?
Duckhunter - Feeling better after 24-21?
79Ute- I hear there are a few season tickets available at LES... might want to
check in to it.
Coach Biff - So I take it you will be holding out for an invite from an AQ
conference in which BYU will not be a cellar dweller.Good luck with
that.Reminds me of Uncle Eddie holding out for a "management
Don't agree with the title, I think Harmons is right to attribute some
wisdom to BYU.
Another wasted 3 minutes of my life. I really need to stop reading your hot air
full of cliches. Tell us something we don't already know Dick!
@Howard S.Howard, who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?Too many posts Howie. Time to dial it back a notch.You just
look and sound desperate at this point.BYU has been safe on the high
ground since the day they declared Independence.They have been wise to sit
back and watch the madness.These other schools jumping all over the
place are just desperate attempts to be noticed and relevant, it's just sad
and pathetic.Unless BYU can get a better deal than they already have
with ESPN and are allowed to keep their own Network TV rights, count on BYU
staying put. This is their new normal.Unlike Utah, BYU does
not need a Conference Crutch nor do they need to ride the Coat-Tails of others.
BYU's Brand is established.Utah will struggle in the Pac for a
very long time. They are last in Athletic Budgets and near the bottom in
Academics. And outside of gymnastics, Championships in any sport, will not be
forthcoming anytime soon.Meanwhile, BYU's overall athletic
program continues to have it's regular 8-10 Top 25 programs a year, just as
they have done for 40 years now.
Dick, I can appreciate what you're TRYING to do. But had BYU joined the
Big East, the school would still at least be able to share in the new FBS
playoff revenue. Even the mid-major conferences will be getting $86 million to
split among the 40 teams. The BCS conferences, like the PAC-12, will get $91
million to split with just twelve schools.And how much does BYU get?Nothing . . .
It's better for BYU to ride this conference shuffle wave out on our small,
but comfortable, private yacht, than to be running around on the deck of the
Titanic playing musical chairs.If you think the Big East carnage has
been ugly, just wait until you see what's coming for the much more highly
I wouldn't start gloating just yet, Dick. It looks like BYU won't
escape the fallout entirely. St. Mary's and Gonzaga are rumored to be
joining the consortium of basketball playing Catholic Schools leaving the Big
East. Meanwhile, Independence hasn't been all was cracked up to be.The real question is "what is the end game?" Why not put
together a small conference in the West of say seven or eight teams, leaving
plenty of opportunity to play outside schools. That may be the foundation for
something that would make sense for BYU to join.
The key to Utah and BYU is to win football games. As long as they win good
things will happen regardless of the current (it changes almost daily)
environment. Utah has a right to brag because they were allowed to
"buy in" to the PAC. The buy in is important becasue it puts things into
perspective. Their new rival Colorado did not have to buy in. But now Utah is
in and good things can happen if they can win.BYU has a right to be
proud also because they landed very nicely in spite of the "no Sunday
play" ball and chain that has been and always will be dragging around their
ankle. They are establishing the "BYU Brand" and fun things are
happening with BYUtv. But they must win also.I have mixed thoughts
about games between the two though. They are great games and once of the field
it is dangerous to be a "favorite". A great rivalry! Except, the
hatred and downright nastiness of the fans toward each other. Mocking, name
calling, throwing things at each other. Nothing much is good whe the fans go
after each other.A fan fix is needed first.
How can DH say BYU was lucky. How do we know if byu even receved an invitation?
It seems most Y fans think they are a hot item. It doesn't appear to be
the case. Nobody want's them.
That would be "Cousin Eddie" Get at least one thing right.I think
what DH is alluding too is that there are a lot of us that enjoy other
collegiate sports besides football and these greedy administrators have ruined
and tarnished collegiate athletics because of their greed. All of this change
was done based on football and has ruined college basketball in the process. No
Big East!!!! A ACC that isn't even recognizable, and a Utah team in the
Pac 12 that can't even compete in the Big Sky. Hopefully, the politicians
will outlaw football and then we can get back to normal and enjoy March Madness
Are any of you "Y" haters LDS?? Do you not realize that success for BYU
is good for the church?
Bled out Crimson"...like the Macoroni(sic) and Cheese Bowl every
year against a nobody?"There would be a solid line of Ute fans
to Malad Idaho if there was but one bowl game yet available on a scratch off
lotto ticket for the Utes to play in.Scheduling Fresno St is a
feeble attempt, especially with Oregon and Stanford on the next year's
radar, to sneak another win to maybe qualify for a bowl game.The
desperation is quite obvious.So funny to see the spin and these
The best thing that happened to the BYU/Utah rivalry is Utah going to the
PAC10/12/14/16, or whatever it ends up being. The rivalry ended. Fans still
don't get that it's over and completely irrelevant. I'm happy
with BYU being independent. The Big East is obviously a terrible choice and so
BYU proved smart by not biting on that sinking ship. I'm sure they would
love to be in the PAC 12 but that will never happen, not because of BYU's
sports programs, they are far better than Utah or Colorado. It's other
factors, including the Church and no Sunday Play, Prop 8 etc, etc. It
won't happen so no need to discuss further. BYU needs to worry about
itself, define an offense that is not offensive to the fans and win games. That
will help take care of any desires for a national championship or playoff
aspiration. Toughest schedule in BYU history next year. That will help shape
stronger recruits and so on. To the rivalry? Good riddance. I'm tired of
unprofessional fan banter. Good luck to Utah in the PAC 12. Good luck to BYU
in the WCC and FB Independence.
JParkerfan is right. The real problem in all of this is what football
realignment has done to the other sports. In the mad rush to grab more of the
football money, schools are hurting basketball and other programs. The 7
Catholic schools have seen many of the schools they used to play end up in other
conferences. They don't have football to worry about, so they are jumping
ship to try and establish a new conference without all the turmoil. And why
would they want to fly clear across the country to play SDSU and BSU? Yes, I
know those two schools are just going to the Big East in football. But if the
gutting of the conference continues, how long will it be until they are invited
to bring all programs in to the conference? The 7 Catholic schools are trying
to avoid that future.What concerns me is the idea of Gonzaga and St.
Mary's leaving the WCC to join a new Catholic conference. The WCC without
those two schools would not be a good place for BYU to remain. I'm
thinking a return to the MWC becomes more appealing everyday.
Luck or wisdom - it was the right thing for BYU.
sammygSpringville, UTBled out Crimson"...like the
Macoroni(sic) and Cheese Bowl every year against a nobody?"There
would be a solid line of Ute fans to Malad Idaho if there was but one bowl game
yet available on a scratch off lotto ticket for the Utes to play in.Scheduling Fresno St is a feeble attempt, especially with Oregon and Stanford
on the next year's radar, to sneak another win to maybe qualify for a bowl
game.The desperation is quite obvious.So funny to see
the spin and these hilarious comments._________________If Utah wanted to sneak another win, all they have to do is schedule BYU!Speaking of sneak another win, how did the San Jose St. game work out for
ya?The desperation is quite obvious.So funny to see the
spin and these hilarious comments.
JParkerfanWasn't Eddie an uncle to Audry and Rusty?And would't you have a more positive opinion on realigment if BYU had
been invited to an AQ conferdnce? Please don't let PAC12 envy influence
your answer to that question.
JParkerfan-Perhaps you could explain how BYU athletic success helps
sammyg-DH tries go turn the sows ear of independece into a silk
purse and you accuse others of spin and obvious desperation?Funny.
Bleed CrimsonDon't kid yourself. Utah is every bit
as much a mid-major program as BYU, in fact, a school that has only cracked the
AP Top 25 five times during their entire history can't even claim mid-major
status, no matter what conference they belong to.
CG -Typical Cougar logic... if you don't like the facts, ignore
them.Let's review... Utah is in an AQ conference and is 2-0 in
BCS bowl games.... and BYU is a mid-major independent..Fact are your
I don't understand the headline "BYU lucked out by passing on the Big
East". Lucked out? From what I understand, BYU's people look at the
situation, saw that the Big East was a train wreck waiting to happen, and
decided not to join. What's "lucky" about that? They gathered
information, thought about it, and made a good decision.
HowieMoronic Ute logic that simply sharing a locker room with USC
somehow makes U a big boy.The fact is, the two most sought after
individual and team trophies in all of college sports - the Heisman and the AFCA
National Championship Trophy (the Crystal Football Coaches' Trophy) - both
sit in the Halls of Fame of USC and BYU, trophies that Utah fans can only dream
of Utah ever owning.The fact is, Utah's highest achievement
ever wasn't even 2nd best; U finished 4th in the Coaches Poll.You're a mid-major masquerading as a wannabe big boy buried at the bottom
of the conference and not even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore.Facts are your friend.
ThomasJefferson - And just which conference will take BYU? PAC12?,
Big12, BIG?, SEC?... please, let's be serious.There is no
invitation forthcoming from an AQ conference.And the Non AQ
conferences? BYU is a prideful institution and while there may be a
non-AQ invite, its not likely BYU would swallow that pride to accept a MWC
ThomasJeffersonIf a 28 year old piece of hardware meant anything
today, BYU would be in an AQ conference... but the truth is that it doesn't
and BYU is left out. Sorry, but "thems the beans" and no
amount of spin can change it.
Mr. anti BCSHere's a fun fact.If a 28 year old NC
trophy and a 22 year of Heisman meant anything today, BYU would be in an AQ
conference.But alas, ancient history is just that... ancient... and
BYU remains on the outside looking in on major college football.
HowieU obviously aren't paying attention.Unlike
Utah, which desperately clings to conference membership to validate its "big
boy" status, BYU didn't have to rely on being a member of a particular
conference to climb to the pinnacle of major college football achievement.No spinning necessary.BYU's 28 year-old hardware is the
most coveted hardware in all of college sports.BYU = IndependentUtah = dependent
Look at it his way Mr. anti BCS (and your from Anaheim, so you must be smart)Go down to the ward house on a Tuesday night and start talking smack to
the boys about your 28 year old stake championship trophy. Tell them how you
were voted Stake MVP.Not only will the boys not care, but they will
think you are a little goofy.Kind of like how the AQ conferences see
BYU today... not only do they not care, they think BYU is a little goofy.
anti BCS said:"Anaheim, CAHowieU obviously
aren't paying attention.Unlike Utah, which desperately clings
to conference membership to validate its "big boy" status, BYU
didn't have to rely on being a member of a particular conference to climb
to the pinnacle of major college football achievement.No spinning
necessary.BYU's 28 year-old hardware is the most coveted
hardware in all of college sports.BYU = IndependentUtah =
dependent"This is classic! You are right, no spinning
necessary.BYU is dependent on ESPN to spread their WAC legacy. Nobody
talks about their NC from 84' other than it's the reason playing for a
national title changed. The only pinnacle they stand on is the one dreamed up by
BYU fans like yourself. A pinnacle of wishful thinking. If a conference came
calling prior to going independent, You and every other BYU fan would have been
all over it. Instead you are left with boasting about how great independence is,
that's all you have!With the Big East about to fold,
that's one less conference to join. You are setting a great example for
mighty independent buddies like Idaho and New Mexico State!
Dick, having now read the article I can honestly say that I like what you wrote.
I offer a sincere apology for just labeling it rubbish before seeing it for the
merit it contains. So, keep up the great work! :)
HowardWatch the movies.. They don't refer to him as uncle
Eddie.. Slowly. " Cousin Eddie". I'm not even going to
comment on how BYU success helps the church.
I think we are all responding to Cousin Eddie. Lol
ThomasJefferson said:"WELLSVILLE, UTHowie, Love ya Bro,
but only those with an NC can claim elite status. This is the "no spin
zone," and no matter how you try to spin it, BYU has an NC, Utah does not.
Them's the beans, facts, okra, mashed potatoes , whatever you want to call
it. Oh, and BYU is going Bowling this year!"Right this is a no
spin zone. So at least get your facts straight. If what you say is true then why
do pundits say that Boise State has been an elite team this past decade? They
had the highest winning percentage and have no NC. Seems like they are doing
more to try and go after a NC more than BYU. Even by joining the Big East. In addition pundits bring up Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, USC, Florida and a
few others. Don't recall anyone on any network refer to BYU as an elite
team.Them's the beans, facts, okra, mashed potatoes , whatever
you want to call it.
SoonerUteAnybody with any brains can figure out that neither
Colorado nor Utah were invited to join the PAC 12 because of their elite
football pedigrees - Colorado has been a train wreck for years and Utah has
never had one.As must be painfully clear to U by now, all the PAC 12
needed was a couple of punching bags to give Washington State some company in
the PAC 12 basement. It's sweet how quickly you've accepted your role.
If BYU is happy with their independence, strength of schedule and being a
perennial invitee to the San Diego northern counties credit union poinsettia
bowl. And Utah is happy in the pac12...why dont we do the Rodney king and get
along?Isn't pulling a 28 year old, highly controversial, shared
national championship out of the closet similar to arguing with the neighbor kid
about who's father is stronger than the other? BYU has ESPN or
a version of it 1, 2, 3, U, Des Portes...and seem to like playing schools that
Utah only plays in basketball...Lets be friends...just like the
Gobtrotters and Generals are...
"Talk about Big East instability. It’s a Liz Taylor marriage."Careful Dick, we wouldn't want you to be accused of Slander. Could
end up with all kinds of "paper tiger" threats of legal action!
Snack PAC -The punching bag scenario seems to ease your PAC envy...
enjoy....But that doesn' t change the fact that Utah was chosen
and BYU was not.And it doesn't change the fact that the Cougar
Nation would choose Utah's conference affiliation in a heartbeat.And it doesn't change the fact that whatever Utah's place in the
PAC... they still own BYU (8-3).
I'm grateful Dick Harmon didn't apply the term "inspired" to
BYU's decision not to join the Big East. But I wish he'd
leave BYU out of the BCS league morphing possibilities. BYU will NOT be invited
to any major BCS conference. They had their chance with the Big12 and blew it.
They're not accommodating. They might be invited to a surviving mid-major
conference, but that will be it. With that great and mighty football powerhouse
(tongue in cheek) Rutger being invited to the Big10, you can put further
speculations to rest. The major league teams have been decided. The rest need to
find peace and comfort in other realms.
I don't think "lucked out" should be the headline. It was a
good, smart decision; no luck involved.
I wouuld not be surprised to see a new conference in the West. It made no sense
for SDSU and BSU when they joined the Big East, and it makes even less sense
now. Houston and SMU can't be happy with what the Big East has become. I
can see BYU, SDSU, BSU, SMU, and Houston forming a new conference. That's
a pretty good foundation. Dallas, Houston, San Diego are all big TV markets and
BYU and BSU have a broader following than their local markets. Pick
up 3 - 5 other schools and it's a whole lot better than the Big East. Air
Force is still looking for something better. UNLV will never be happy in the
same conference as Nevada.
MapleDon - DH didn't need to use the word
"inspired".... it's assumed.Beyond that, your
assessment of BYU's situation regarding realignment is... without doubt...
the most honest I have read in the pages of the DN.
Regardless of the implosion of the Big East, BYU going to that conference would
have been the dumbest decision for BYU in a hundred years. Yes, they are smarter
than that.Someone please explain to me how joining a larger and
larger conference creates exposure, or increases revenue? The larger the
conference, the less exposure you get, and the more ways the revenue is divided,
meaning less and less for every school. Is the money the only value left in
college sports? My goodness, how did these poor schools ever survive before all
the TV revenue of recent years? Oh, wait, it's because everybody now
believes their football coach must be paid $5 million a year...yah, that drains
the budget in a hurry. Insane.Stay put BYU, stay independent,
it's the only place that makes any sense anymore, and you keep all your
revenue, and have control of your destiny.
BYU football is like the mythical kid who gets a trophy without competing. BYU
football doesn't want the competition of a real conference.
Now seems to be a good time for BYU, SDSU, Hawaii, Boise State and UNLV to form
another new conference. They can choose who else to have join it, perhaps Utah
State since they now have good programs and Nevada and then choose from Colorado
State, Wyoming, Fresno or San Jose to get it to 9 schools. With a new conference
the TV thing could be worked out. The only problem with the Mountain network
deal (Other than the poor coverage) was the ability to rebroadcast the BYU games
on BYUTV. Lets face it; the Pac 12 will never allow BYU in because they
aren't liberal enough and if they join the big 12 (if they were ever
invited) they would be at the bottom of the league or at best in the middle
every year in most sports. Now is the time to act before SDSU and Boise go to
the Big East or whatever it ends up being called.
Like the ideas about a new conference. BYU, SDSU, Boise State,
Houston, SMU, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada and Utah State. BYU needs to swallow its
pride about USU, they are good enough now. Maybe add Air Force or CSU.
Wow, how interesting it is to read all of the posts about the "wisdom"
byu displayed by turning down the Big East. As it turned out, they thought they
would be invited into the Big 12, so they told the Big East, no thanks.The Big East then added Boise State and San Diego State, while the invitation
to the Big 12 "got lost in the mail". So, when byu turned it's
attention back to the Big East, that door was closed, as well. Leaving the cougs
with no choice but to remain independent.It was dumb luck, more than
wisdom, that kept byu out of the Big East. But, hey, call it what you want,
after the fact.
TheNun - Agree with your comment. As added background,
the door was slammed on BYU from both the BE and the Big12 when BYU had the
audacity to demand broadcast rights that had been granted to no conference
member in any conference across the county.The Big12 invite that
might have gone to BYU went to TCU because TCU agreed willingly (and quickly, I
might add) to the broadcast rights accepted by other conference members.BYU over-estimated its value, over-played its hand and got left behind.
And then they wonder why they are considered difficult to deal with.