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Dick Harmon: BYU football: Cougars lucked out by passing on the crumbling Big East

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  • The Jimmer Okemos, MI
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Every Division I school in the nation should meet in a large room, duke it out to decide once and for all with whom they are going to affiliate, and then stop all this nonsense.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    An embarrassment what we've done?

    I'm guessing DH would have a different opinion if his Cougars had found a home in the PAC 12 or the Big 12.

    Embarrassment? I suppose I can understand that sentiment from those who have been left out.

    But for those with sufficient value to be included among the Big 5, the result of realignment has been quite satisfying.

  • Billy Budd Saint George, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    It appears that unless you jump/are invited into the SEC, Big TEN, Big 12 or the PAC 12, you could be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. As long as BYU/ESPN partner, along with the BYU Network, BYU would be wise to stay independent upgrading their schedule as the opportunities arise.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Re: The Jimmer, Okemos, MI @12:25 p.m. Dec. 14, 2012

    Mr.The Jimmer presents a pretty good plan.

    But there will be certain schools that no one will want to associate with. Or, perhaps schools that will demand rights and concessions that no other school demands.

    What shall we do with those schools?

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Who is we, Howard? I'm thinking BYU is better served as an independant rather than a consistant cellar dweller of an AQ conference. Waiting for the dust to settle appears to be the wiser choice.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    This new Howard S. guy sure does think highly of him and his peeps on the hill.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    The "satisfactory result of realignment"? - only if looking through one's own narrow perspective. Good for the whole of college sports? Decidedly not, in my opinion.

    The Big 10 misnomer with 12 teams and growing to 14 stretching from Nebraska to New Jersey doesn't even make numerical sense. The so-called Big 12 with 10 teams? At least the Big 12 makes geographical sense. The SEC with midwestern Mizzou and southwestern Texas A&M? The Big East in shambles taking intermountain BSU and west coast SDSU? It's geographical nonsense if the Big East survives this "satisfactory realignment." Century-old rivalries like the Longhorns and the Aggies not playing each other? Utah dumping BYU for Fresno? We get a little more recruiting exposure in CA, but southern Californians could care less about Fresno unless their kids go there.

    The Pac 12 makes geographic, financial, and institutional sense. It might even help the U get into the prestigious AAU.

    Realignment is driven by football schools trying to get into a BCS automatic qualifying conference (driven by the idiocy of the BCS format) or conferences trying to increase TV market penetration. We're lucky UT and OU said no.

    Now let's play like we belong!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    @LindonMan

    howie is not "new around here. He simply slunk away in shame under his rock while this latest football season was underway. Now that it is over he has reappeared since he appears to have gotten over the humiliation of 5-7, or at least he is tryng to get over that humiliation. he'll be around until next years losing commences and then he'll slink away again. Kinda like naval vet who also dissapeared for a few months while utah was on its losing streak then all of a sudden re-appeard when they won a game. Ditto christina b.

    You'll see this pattern repeated over and over again as the years progress because what we saw this year will be the standard for utah football and what we see from those 3 is the standard for utah "fans".

    LOL!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    @duck

    Just gotta get your daily cut in, don't you? Don't you have anything better to do?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Duckhunter - Feeling better after 24-21?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    79Ute- I hear there are a few season tickets available at LES... might want to check in to it.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Coach Biff - So I take it you will be holding out for an invite from an AQ conference in which BYU will not be a cellar dweller.

    Good luck with that.

    Reminds me of Uncle Eddie holding out for a "management position".

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Don't agree with the title, I think Harmons is right to attribute some wisdom to BYU.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Another wasted 3 minutes of my life. I really need to stop reading your hot air full of cliches. Tell us something we don't already know Dick!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    @Howard S.

    Howard, who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?
    Too many posts Howie.
    Time to dial it back a notch.

    You just look and sound desperate at this point.

    BYU has been safe on the high ground since the day they declared Independence.
    They have been wise to sit back and watch the madness.

    These other schools jumping all over the place are just desperate attempts to be noticed and relevant, it's just sad and pathetic.

    Unless BYU can get a better deal than they already have with ESPN and are allowed to keep their own Network TV rights, count on BYU staying put.
    This is their new normal.

    Unlike Utah, BYU does not need a Conference Crutch nor do they need to ride the Coat-Tails of others. BYU's Brand is established.

    Utah will struggle in the Pac for a very long time. They are last in Athletic Budgets and near the bottom in Academics. And outside of gymnastics, Championships in any sport, will not be forthcoming anytime soon.

    Meanwhile, BYU's overall athletic program continues to have it's regular 8-10 Top 25 programs a year, just as they have done for 40 years now.

  • HappyUtahMan Springville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    Dick, I can appreciate what you're TRYING to do. But had BYU joined the Big East, the school would still at least be able to share in the new FBS playoff revenue. Even the mid-major conferences will be getting $86 million to split among the 40 teams. The BCS conferences, like the PAC-12, will get $91 million to split with just twelve schools.
    And how much does BYU get?
    Nothing . . .

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    It's better for BYU to ride this conference shuffle wave out on our small, but comfortable, private yacht, than to be running around on the deck of the Titanic playing musical chairs.

    If you think the Big East carnage has been ugly, just wait until you see what's coming for the much more highly regarded ACC.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    I wouldn't start gloating just yet, Dick. It looks like BYU won't escape the fallout entirely. St. Mary's and Gonzaga are rumored to be joining the consortium of basketball playing Catholic Schools leaving the Big East. Meanwhile, Independence hasn't been all was cracked up to be.

    The real question is "what is the end game?" Why not put together a small conference in the West of say seven or eight teams, leaving plenty of opportunity to play outside schools. That may be the foundation for something that would make sense for BYU to join.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    The key to Utah and BYU is to win football games. As long as they win good things will happen regardless of the current (it changes almost daily) environment.

    Utah has a right to brag because they were allowed to "buy in" to the PAC. The buy in is important becasue it puts things into perspective. Their new rival Colorado did not have to buy in. But now Utah is in and good things can happen if they can win.

    BYU has a right to be proud also because they landed very nicely in spite of the "no Sunday play" ball and chain that has been and always will be dragging around their ankle. They are establishing the "BYU Brand" and fun things are happening with BYUtv. But they must win also.

    I have mixed thoughts about games between the two though. They are great games and once of the field it is dangerous to be a "favorite". A great rivalry! Except, the hatred and downright nastiness of the fans toward each other. Mocking, name calling, throwing things at each other. Nothing much is good whe the fans go after each other.

    A fan fix is needed first.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    How can DH say BYU was lucky. How do we know if byu even receved an invitation? It seems most Y fans think they are a hot item. It doesn't appear to be the case. Nobody want's them.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    That would be "Cousin Eddie" Get at least one thing right.
    I think what DH is alluding too is that there are a lot of us that enjoy other collegiate sports besides football and these greedy administrators have ruined and tarnished collegiate athletics because of their greed. All of this change was done based on football and has ruined college basketball in the process. No Big East!!!! A ACC that isn't even recognizable, and a Utah team in the Pac 12 that can't even compete in the Big Sky. Hopefully, the politicians will outlaw football and then we can get back to normal and enjoy March Madness once again.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    Are any of you "Y" haters LDS?? Do you not realize that success for BYU is good for the church?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Bled out Crimson

    "...like the Macoroni(sic) and Cheese Bowl every year against a nobody?"

    There would be a solid line of Ute fans to Malad Idaho if there was but one bowl game yet available on a scratch off lotto ticket for the Utes to play in.

    Scheduling Fresno St is a feeble attempt, especially with Oregon and Stanford on the next year's radar, to sneak another win to maybe qualify for a bowl game.

    The desperation is quite obvious.

    So funny to see the spin and these hilarious comments.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    The best thing that happened to the BYU/Utah rivalry is Utah going to the PAC10/12/14/16, or whatever it ends up being. The rivalry ended. Fans still don't get that it's over and completely irrelevant. I'm happy with BYU being independent. The Big East is obviously a terrible choice and so BYU proved smart by not biting on that sinking ship. I'm sure they would love to be in the PAC 12 but that will never happen, not because of BYU's sports programs, they are far better than Utah or Colorado. It's other factors, including the Church and no Sunday Play, Prop 8 etc, etc. It won't happen so no need to discuss further. BYU needs to worry about itself, define an offense that is not offensive to the fans and win games. That will help take care of any desires for a national championship or playoff aspiration. Toughest schedule in BYU history next year. That will help shape stronger recruits and so on. To the rivalry? Good riddance. I'm tired of unprofessional fan banter. Good luck to Utah in the PAC 12. Good luck to BYU in the WCC and FB Independence.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    JParkerfan is right. The real problem in all of this is what football realignment has done to the other sports. In the mad rush to grab more of the football money, schools are hurting basketball and other programs. The 7 Catholic schools have seen many of the schools they used to play end up in other conferences. They don't have football to worry about, so they are jumping ship to try and establish a new conference without all the turmoil. And why would they want to fly clear across the country to play SDSU and BSU? Yes, I know those two schools are just going to the Big East in football. But if the gutting of the conference continues, how long will it be until they are invited to bring all programs in to the conference? The 7 Catholic schools are trying to avoid that future.

    What concerns me is the idea of Gonzaga and St. Mary's leaving the WCC to join a new Catholic conference. The WCC without those two schools would not be a good place for BYU to remain. I'm thinking a return to the MWC becomes more appealing everyday.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    Luck or wisdom - it was the right thing for BYU.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    Bled out Crimson

    "...like the Macoroni(sic) and Cheese Bowl every year against a nobody?"

    There would be a solid line of Ute fans to Malad Idaho if there was but one bowl game yet available on a scratch off lotto ticket for the Utes to play in.

    Scheduling Fresno St is a feeble attempt, especially with Oregon and Stanford on the next year's radar, to sneak another win to maybe qualify for a bowl game.

    The desperation is quite obvious.

    So funny to see the spin and these hilarious comments.

    _________________

    If Utah wanted to sneak another win, all they have to do is schedule BYU!
    Speaking of sneak another win, how did the San Jose St. game work out for ya?

    The desperation is quite obvious.

    So funny to see the spin and these hilarious comments.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    JParkerfan

    Wasn't Eddie an uncle to Audry and Rusty?

    And would't you have a more positive opinion on realigment if BYU had been invited to an AQ conferdnce? Please don't let PAC12 envy influence your answer to that question.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    JParkerfan-

    Perhaps you could explain how BYU athletic success helps the church.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    sammyg-

    DH tries go turn the sows ear of independece into a silk purse and you accuse others of spin and obvious desperation?

    Funny.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Don't kid yourself.

    Utah is every bit as much a mid-major program as BYU, in fact, a school that has only cracked the AP Top 25 five times during their entire history can't even claim mid-major status, no matter what conference they belong to.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 6:42 p.m.

    CG -

    Typical Cougar logic... if you don't like the facts, ignore them.

    Let's review... Utah is in an AQ conference and is 2-0 in BCS bowl games.... and BYU is a mid-major independent..

    Fact are your friend.

  • THE MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    I don't understand the headline "BYU lucked out by passing on the Big East". Lucked out? From what I understand, BYU's people look at the situation, saw that the Big East was a train wreck waiting to happen, and decided not to join. What's "lucky" about that? They gathered information, thought about it, and made a good decision.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    Howie

    Moronic Ute logic that simply sharing a locker room with USC somehow makes U a big boy.

    The fact is, the two most sought after individual and team trophies in all of college sports - the Heisman and the AFCA National Championship Trophy (the Crystal Football Coaches' Trophy) - both sit in the Halls of Fame of USC and BYU, trophies that Utah fans can only dream of Utah ever owning.

    The fact is, Utah's highest achievement ever wasn't even 2nd best; U finished 4th in the Coaches Poll.

    You're a mid-major masquerading as a wannabe big boy buried at the bottom of the conference and not even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore.

    Facts are your friend.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    ThomasJefferson -

    And just which conference will take BYU? PAC12?, Big12, BIG?, SEC?... please, let's be serious.

    There is no invitation forthcoming from an AQ conference.

    And the Non AQ conferences?

    BYU is a prideful institution and while there may be a non-AQ invite, its not likely BYU would swallow that pride to accept a MWC invite.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    ThomasJefferson

    If a 28 year old piece of hardware meant anything today, BYU would be in an AQ conference... but the truth is that it doesn't and BYU is left out.

    Sorry, but "thems the beans" and no amount of spin can change it.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    Mr. anti BCS

    Here's a fun fact.

    If a 28 year old NC trophy and a 22 year of Heisman meant anything today, BYU would be in an AQ conference.

    But alas, ancient history is just that... ancient... and BYU remains on the outside looking in on major college football.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Howie

    U obviously aren't paying attention.

    Unlike Utah, which desperately clings to conference membership to validate its "big boy" status, BYU didn't have to rely on being a member of a particular conference to climb to the pinnacle of major college football achievement.

    No spinning necessary.

    BYU's 28 year-old hardware is the most coveted hardware in all of college sports.

    BYU = Independent
    Utah = dependent

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    Look at it his way Mr. anti BCS (and your from Anaheim, so you must be smart)

    Go down to the ward house on a Tuesday night and start talking smack to the boys about your 28 year old stake championship trophy. Tell them how you were voted Stake MVP.

    Not only will the boys not care, but they will think you are a little goofy.

    Kind of like how the AQ conferences see BYU today... not only do they not care, they think BYU is a little goofy.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    anti BCS said:

    "Anaheim, CA
    Howie

    U obviously aren't paying attention.

    Unlike Utah, which desperately clings to conference membership to validate its "big boy" status, BYU didn't have to rely on being a member of a particular conference to climb to the pinnacle of major college football achievement.

    No spinning necessary.

    BYU's 28 year-old hardware is the most coveted hardware in all of college sports.

    BYU = Independent
    Utah = dependent"

    This is classic! You are right, no spinning necessary.
    BYU is dependent on ESPN to spread their WAC legacy. Nobody talks about their NC from 84' other than it's the reason playing for a national title changed. The only pinnacle they stand on is the one dreamed up by BYU fans like yourself. A pinnacle of wishful thinking. If a conference came calling prior to going independent, You and every other BYU fan would have been all over it. Instead you are left with boasting about how great independence is, that's all you have!

    With the Big East about to fold, that's one less conference to join. You are setting a great example for mighty independent buddies like Idaho and New Mexico State!

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Dick, having now read the article I can honestly say that I like what you wrote. I offer a sincere apology for just labeling it rubbish before seeing it for the merit it contains. So, keep up the great work! :)

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    Howard

    Watch the movies.. They don't refer to him as uncle Eddie.. Slowly. " Cousin Eddie".
    I'm not even going to comment on how BYU success helps the church.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:27 p.m.

    I think we are all responding to Cousin Eddie. Lol

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    ThomasJefferson said:

    "WELLSVILLE, UT
    Howie, Love ya Bro, but only those with an NC can claim elite status. This is the "no spin zone," and no matter how you try to spin it, BYU has an NC, Utah does not. Them's the beans, facts, okra, mashed potatoes , whatever you want to call it. Oh, and BYU is going Bowling this year!"

    Right this is a no spin zone. So at least get your facts straight. If what you say is true then why do pundits say that Boise State has been an elite team this past decade? They had the highest winning percentage and have no NC. Seems like they are doing more to try and go after a NC more than BYU. Even by joining the Big East.

    In addition pundits bring up Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, USC, Florida and a few others. Don't recall anyone on any network refer to BYU as an elite team.

    Them's the beans, facts, okra, mashed potatoes , whatever you want to call it.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2012 1:35 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    Anybody with any brains can figure out that neither Colorado nor Utah were invited to join the PAC 12 because of their elite football pedigrees - Colorado has been a train wreck for years and Utah has never had one.

    As must be painfully clear to U by now, all the PAC 12 needed was a couple of punching bags to give Washington State some company in the PAC 12 basement. It's sweet how quickly you've accepted your role.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 15, 2012 4:03 a.m.

    If BYU is happy with their independence, strength of schedule and being a perennial invitee to the San Diego northern counties credit union poinsettia bowl. And Utah is happy in the pac12...why dont we do the Rodney king and get along?

    Isn't pulling a 28 year old, highly controversial, shared national championship out of the closet similar to arguing with the neighbor kid about who's father is stronger than the other?

    BYU has ESPN or a version of it 1, 2, 3, U, Des Portes...and seem to like playing schools that Utah only plays in basketball...

    Lets be friends...just like the Gobtrotters and Generals are...

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    "Talk about Big East instability. It’s a Liz Taylor marriage."

    Careful Dick, we wouldn't want you to be accused of Slander. Could end up with all kinds of "paper tiger" threats of legal action!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Snack PAC -

    The punching bag scenario seems to ease your PAC envy... enjoy....

    But that doesn' t change the fact that Utah was chosen and BYU was not.

    And it doesn't change the fact that the Cougar Nation would choose Utah's conference affiliation in a heartbeat.

    And it doesn't change the fact that whatever Utah's place in the PAC... they still own BYU (8-3).

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    I'm grateful Dick Harmon didn't apply the term "inspired" to BYU's decision not to join the Big East.

    But I wish he'd leave BYU out of the BCS league morphing possibilities. BYU will NOT be invited to any major BCS conference. They had their chance with the Big12 and blew it. They're not accommodating. They might be invited to a surviving mid-major conference, but that will be it. With that great and mighty football powerhouse (tongue in cheek) Rutger being invited to the Big10, you can put further speculations to rest. The major league teams have been decided. The rest need to find peace and comfort in other realms.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    I don't think "lucked out" should be the headline. It was a good, smart decision; no luck involved.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    I wouuld not be surprised to see a new conference in the West. It made no sense for SDSU and BSU when they joined the Big East, and it makes even less sense now. Houston and SMU can't be happy with what the Big East has become. I can see BYU, SDSU, BSU, SMU, and Houston forming a new conference. That's a pretty good foundation. Dallas, Houston, San Diego are all big TV markets and BYU and BSU have a broader following than their local markets.

    Pick up 3 - 5 other schools and it's a whole lot better than the Big East. Air Force is still looking for something better. UNLV will never be happy in the same conference as Nevada.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    MapleDon -

    DH didn't need to use the word "inspired".... it's assumed.

    Beyond that, your assessment of BYU's situation regarding realignment is... without doubt... the most honest I have read in the pages of the DN.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Regardless of the implosion of the Big East, BYU going to that conference would have been the dumbest decision for BYU in a hundred years. Yes, they are smarter than that.

    Someone please explain to me how joining a larger and larger conference creates exposure, or increases revenue? The larger the conference, the less exposure you get, and the more ways the revenue is divided, meaning less and less for every school. Is the money the only value left in college sports? My goodness, how did these poor schools ever survive before all the TV revenue of recent years? Oh, wait, it's because everybody now believes their football coach must be paid $5 million a year...yah, that drains the budget in a hurry. Insane.

    Stay put BYU, stay independent, it's the only place that makes any sense anymore, and you keep all your revenue, and have control of your destiny.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 15, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    BYU football is like the mythical kid who gets a trophy without competing. BYU football doesn't want the competition of a real conference.

  • dudley Salt Lake City/USA, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    Now seems to be a good time for BYU, SDSU, Hawaii, Boise State and UNLV to form another new conference. They can choose who else to have join it, perhaps Utah State since they now have good programs and Nevada and then choose from Colorado State, Wyoming, Fresno or San Jose to get it to 9 schools. With a new conference the TV thing could be worked out. The only problem with the Mountain network deal (Other than the poor coverage) was the ability to rebroadcast the BYU games on BYUTV. Lets face it; the Pac 12 will never allow BYU in because they aren't liberal enough and if they join the big 12 (if they were ever invited) they would be at the bottom of the league or at best in the middle every year in most sports. Now is the time to act before SDSU and Boise go to the Big East or whatever it ends up being called.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:30 p.m.

    Like the ideas about a new conference.

    BYU, SDSU, Boise State, Houston, SMU, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada and Utah State. BYU needs to swallow its pride about USU, they are good enough now. Maybe add Air Force or CSU.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Wow, how interesting it is to read all of the posts about the "wisdom" byu displayed by turning down the Big East. As it turned out, they thought they would be invited into the Big 12, so they told the Big East, no thanks.

    The Big East then added Boise State and San Diego State, while the invitation to the Big 12 "got lost in the mail". So, when byu turned it's attention back to the Big East, that door was closed, as well. Leaving the cougs with no choice but to remain independent.

    It was dumb luck, more than wisdom, that kept byu out of the Big East. But, hey, call it what you want, after the fact.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    TheNun -

    Agree with your comment.

    As added background, the door was slammed on BYU from both the BE and the Big12 when BYU had the audacity to demand broadcast rights that had been granted to no conference member in any conference across the county.

    The Big12 invite that might have gone to BYU went to TCU because TCU agreed willingly (and quickly, I might add) to the broadcast rights accepted by other conference members.

    BYU over-estimated its value, over-played its hand and got left behind. And then they wonder why they are considered difficult to deal with.