its been fun following Ziggy. You don't see Utah developing a player from
zero to hero.
@#1 Champ:We're in the Pac 12. Unlike byU, we don't have
to recruit zeroes. Can't turn a zero into a hero when you don't start
with any zeroes. Case in point: Your latest recruit, Bernard the
running back or whatever his name is. He wanted to go the U, but we didnt offer
him. So he settled for byU.P.S. Bronco didnt even recruit this
kid. So even after he goes to the NFL, that will take the number of players
that Bronco recruited and put in teh NFL from what? Like 0 to 0?Meanwhile, Dunn and Star will put the number above 25 of players Whitt has
recruited and put in the NFL. I love the BCS, being ina BCS
conferece, with BCS talent, and BCS coaches. And BCS money.I heart
Tell the story again about how he didnt even know how to put on his pads a
couple years ago.We haven't heard that one in a couple of days
Chris B,Enjoy that BCS talent Utah has and your bowl game this
Chris BWhen did Utah ban walkons from joining the team?BYU didn't recruit Ziggy, he was a walkon.Your "case in
point" is completely arbitrary and meaningless.Bronco is the one
who allowed Ziggy to join the team and gave him the opportunity to be coached
and eventually play the game.None of Whittingham's players,
recruits or walkons, have even come close to matching the accomplishment of
joining the team with ZERO football experience and leaving the team as a
potential first round draft pick.The simple truth is, BYU's
coaches have played an integral role in an accomplishment that will NEVER be
matched by the Utes.
Chris BHow's that new recruiting pitch working out for the
Utes?You know, the one where the Utes guarantee that the recruit
will be home for the holidays?The closer to bowl week we get, the
more desperate and irrational the posts from the hill become.Enjoy
the couch potato bowl.
As a Cougar fan, I wonder about Ziggy and his so-called development at BYU.
Ziggy did not start for BYU until there were 9 games left in his senior season,
and then only because the guy in front of him got hurt. I doubt the talent he
immediately showed did not develop immediately. He was probably good enough to
start at the beginning of this year, and very probabaly good enough last year.
Bronco chose not to play him until injury forced his hand. We all know about
Riley and Bronco. I'm wondering who else is sitting on the bench at BYU
that should be playing a lot more.
@Arynen"Chris B, Enjoy that BCS talent Utah has and your bowl
game this year.... Umm... Wait."Before you insert your foot any
further into your mouth, you might want to check out who's projected to be
the number one draft pick in the article released today by draft analyst Todd
McShay of ESPN. Yeah, that would be Star Lotulelei from the U of U.
Still Blue after all these yearsRead the full article about Ziggy,
now posted in SI, and you'll get a better understanding of why Ziggy
didn't start earlier in his BYU football career.Bottom line,
even a player as physically talented as Ziggy, needs time to learn the game.
Snack PACUtah's new emphasis on family time during the holidays
should be a big hit with the fans - gathering the family around the old black
and white with chips and dip at hand to watch bowl week is a great way to bond.
motorbike"... check out who's projected to be the number
one draft pick..."How embarrassing it must be for U to have the
number one draft pick and still not be good enough to beat a lowly WAC team to
qualify for a bowl!
I have a lot of respect for Ziggy and his story, but let's see what
happens. I don't get it, the BYU fans really have zero ground to stand on
when it comes to draft smack, but you are going on and on. It is impressive to
take Ziggy's lack of football knowledge and make him NFL ready, but this is
really just an extremely unique story. You can't question the ability of
Whit to take average rated players out of high school and get them ready for the
NFL. That is a lingering question for Bronco. Whit has put many more players in
the league than Bronco with pretty similar recruiting rankings. Congrats
to Ziggy if he gets drafted in the first round. But anybody who wants to be
taken seriously knows that Bronco has not done a terrific job in this area.
Hoffman and Van Noy would be wise to play their senior years. In spite of what
any and everybody may say, very few college athletes play more than a little in
the NFL, and former BYU players hardly at all.
This is a great story about what appears to be a good person. Good luck
@Chris BI love BYU!!!Glad to know Chris loves the BCS
and the PAC12. Maybe some day he will learn to love the Utes too
@motorbike"Before you insert your foot any further into your
mouth,"Say's the guy who was in the process of inserting
his foot in his mouth with that statement. Even if Star is the #1 overall pick
it has exactly zero to do with Arynen's post. What is relevent about his
post is the FACT that with all of the supposed tlaent utah has and all of the
guys whittingham has personally made into NFL players (lol) they are still not
going to a bowl game this year. They are still on a downward trajectory. They
still had a losing overall record this season. They still had their second
straight losing conference season. Then of course there is the small fact that
Arynen didn't say a word about any of what you decided to blather about. He
simply pointed out that despite all of the "bcs talent" christina b was
bragging about utah is a losing team with a losing record with no bowl game to
play in and a bunch of desperate "fans". LOL!Talk about
putting ones foot in ones mouth....
@deductive reasoning"motorbike, How embarrassing it must be for
U to have the number one draft pick and still not be good enough to beat a lowly
WAC team to qualify for a bowl!"To which I say ... how
embarrassing it must be for you to only qualify for bowl game based on
scheduling so many lower-half-of-the-WAC teams.Yeah, cause
that's something to be proud of.
Good luck to Ziggy and any of the other coogs that declare for the draft.
I'm really hoping someone from that program finally get's drafted. Just like using "scoreboard" when pointing out the face to face
record of the last decade, it's just too easy to point out to the blue
goggled set Bronco's dismal record at developing highly rated recruits into
NFL players. Sad really how much talent that staff has squandered.
@#1 ChampWe can't even make it past the first comment without a
reference to the Utes. Obsessed, are we?@UteanymousAnd
your very moniker shows your obsession with your rival.@deductive
reasoning"How embarrassing it must be for U to have the number
one draft pick and still not be good enough to beat a lowly WAC team to qualify
for a bowl!"Uh, that "lowly WAC team" was 10-2 and came
5 points away from being undefeated. Without the aid of several questionable
calls that went against them, they would have beaten your team from Provo. And BYU fans, if Utah had played BYU's cream puff schedule, they
would have been 9-3, maybe 10-2. And conversely, if BYU had played Utah's
schedule, your team would have been 4-8 at the best, although 3-9 would have
been more likely.By the way, how did BYU do against Utah this year?
Ragnar DanneskjoldWell, sorry but I don't think the season
ticket holders bought tickets so they could see future NFL players back in the
day. Lets be honest, both teams had higher expectations going into
the season. Is having the number one draft pick a better consolation prize than
going to a bowl game? For the fans? The team?
In an article like this where you mention Ziggy's speed, you need to tell
the reader what that is. You mention his size, you should tell the reader how
tall he is, and his weight, and wingspan. Somehow you managed to leave all those
details out. It's an incomplete article.
Wow, this story got hi-jacked by the moronic statements of Chris B. and
others.Congrats to Ziggy, this is truly an amazing accomplishment.
Nothing but praise for this kid and hopefully the opportunity ahead of him.Who would criticize or belittle this?
@sammyg"Who would criticize or belittle this?"I
know that was a rhetorical question but the answer is pretty obvious isn't
sammygSpringville, UTWow, this story got hi-jacked by
the moronic statements of Chris B. and others.Congrats to Ziggy,
this is truly an amazing accomplishment. Nothing but praise for this kid and
hopefully the opportunity ahead of him.Who would criticize or
belittle this?DuckhunterHighland, UT@sammyg"Who would criticize or belittle this?"I know that was a rhetorical question but the answer is pretty obvious
isn't it?Just curious.....Do you have to log off when you
answer yourself like this?
Chris b, you embarrass real ute fans. BYU fans who continue to get
baited by chris b, you embarrass yourselves.
@DuckhunterIt never gets old to see how badly it irritates you to
see the Utes steal your thunder. Sometimes I actually feel sorry for you, but
mostly it just makes me laugh.
My ten year old granddaughter could have written a more complete and informative
article than this one. Come on, sharpen the pencil or word processor or
whatever you are using and inform your reading public. Please!
Is it just me or do Utah fans care more about BYU than they do about their own
For those who are squawking about NFL draft picks from Utah OR BYU:You miss the point when you argue either way about this. It is widely known
that the Y has limiting conduct, morality and "honor code" rules which
greatly limit the size and qualities of the field of young men BYU can recruit
from. As a BYU alum, I am happy to accept that, as well as to accept that not
very many BYU players will be top draft picks: the honor code excludes many
potential football stars. Many people, including football fans, ESPECIALLY the
fans, are glad to have players with the highest moral and ethical character
represent the school in athletics. While the U, like any government sponsored
school, must formally disregard the conduct and moral character of athletes; a
coach MUST place players in the NFL much as a professor is expected to publish
or go elsewhere. Bronco has a different directive from the Y's
administrators and financial backers, the LDS church, than Whit does. LaVelle
focused more on character building than winning games, with success in both
areas; Bronco must follow his leader's wishes and do likewise. We must be
UteMiguel: Well said.Ansah has been fun to watch and maybe we can
find a few more like him in Ghana?
@KOSIMOV....Get off your high horse every school recruits high character young
men. Do you honestly believe coaches go around alright lets find the worst
behaved young men in america for our squad. Do you honestly believe low
character athletes are the only one's making it to the NFL? The
honor code is a very poor excuse for not putting players in the NFL, loses, etc.
Every football team has their own team rules that players must abide by. Every
coach wants hard working high character young men on their team.
To all you ute fans Utah did offer Bernard a scholarship but as defensive back
he wanted to play running back so he chose Byu secondly Star WILL NOT be a
number overall pick he was always projected to be in the top 3 or 5 most likely
Matt Barkley or Geno smith will be picked first, also most of whits player in
the NFL are buried in the depth chart or on the practice squad with the with the
exception of Eric weddle(although urban Meyer coached him too) and with byu
players a lot of them have had success in the NFL, Steve young,vai sikahema,Ty
detmer Jim McMahon Brett keisel but recently like Utahs player they are buried
in the depth chart or on the practice squad too with the exception of Dennis
Pitta and Dallas Reynolds
@motorbikeHow is you sticking your foot in your mouth "stealing
my thunder"? That doesn't make a bit of sense.
After reading everything I could about Ziggy (so I could write his wiki
article), I became increasingly impressed with his story but also relieved that
he didn't start until mid-way through this season. He isn't proven and
he'll likely be selected high in the draft more for his story than his
stats. Yes, watching him shows he is likely an NFL talent, but we don't
know that for sure, yet. Because he has been so dominant over just a few games,
and because he doesn't have next year to prove himself, he will probably
get lucky and be drafted based on a very small sampling of his potential. This
never happens in the NFL (like it does in the NBA) so Ziggy is very fortunate
that news sources have repeatedly mentioned his inability to put on pads, his
trying out for the basketball team, etc. Everyone likes a good story. He
could also credit much of his draft status to KVN, who probably did just as much
Ziggy coaching as the rest of the Cougar staff. It'll be fun to see both of
these young men excel at the next level. Go Cougs!
deductive reasoning:"How embarrassing it must be for U to have
the number one draft pick and still not be good enough to beat a lowly WAC team
to qualify for a bowl!"So the current #18 team in the country is
"lowly" now? That sure doesn't suggest there's been any
"deductive reasoning" in YOUR frantic and emotional post. And for what
it's worth, we DID beat a lowly WAC team this year. We beat the cougars
last September, remember? The last time one of our two programs
lost to a "lowly WAC team" was when you guys got routed 31-16 in Logan
vs. a 4-8 Aggie squad back in 2010. And if I recall correctly, the cougars
needed to pack their alumni up in the replay booth vs. SDSU to ensure
they'd finish 6-6, rather than 5-7 that year. Recognize.
Ansah is a remarkable story that has no relation to Utah. Star is a remarkable
story without reference to BYU. Those that read for the enjoyment of human
achievement will take pleasure in both stories. Those who read for ammunition
to continue aged and Limburger-like playground blustering clog the the discourse
and obscure the good that could come from civil dialogue.Set up a
machismo blog site and challenge all comers if you want to continue the boorish
and beleaguered bantering, and leave the comments on thoughtful articles to
those with something relevant to say.
@cougiefanforlife...."also most of whits player in the NFL are buried in the
depth chart or on the practice squad with the with the exception of Eric
weddle"Really? you must not watch the NFL that much. Zane
Beadles going to be all pro linemen for AFC west champs, Bryce Mccain starting
corner for best team in AFC texans, Sean Smith Koa Misi, RJ stanford & Paul
Solai all start for Dolphins. Sionne Pouha best Def player on the Jets outside
revis, Tony Bergstrom starting tackle for the raiders, Robert Johnson starting
saftey for Titans, Paul Kruger starting OLB for ravens, Steven sylvester LB
steelers.Yes we also have several back ups as well not sure how
having 0 is better then this. Guess we are talking cougie logic though....LOL
GoRed"if Utah had played BYU's cream puff schedule, they
would have been 9-3, maybe 10-2."LOL!IF Utah had
played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have been destroyed by Notre Dame,
Oregon State ( no brainer) and Georgia Tech, and would have lost to Utah State
(no brainer), San Jose State, Boise State. Best case scenario is Utah would have
finished 6-6 an bowl eligible, but since Utah has proven that they're
capable of losing to ANYBODY, with the pressure of qualifying for a bowl, the
Utes would have probably lost to Colorado, AGAIN, to finish 5-7, exactly where
the Utes finished."And conversely, if BYU had played Utah's
schedule, your team would have been 4-8 at the best, although 3-9 would have
been more likely."IF BYU had played Utah's schedule, the
Cougars would have beaten Northern Colorado, Utah State (no brainer), Washington
State (no brainer), and Colorado, with a good chance of winning two or even all
three versus Washington, Arizona, and Arizona State, and a possible upset of
USC. Worst case scenario, 6-6; likely 7-5.btw, BYU was one mis-snap
scoop and score away from beating Utah.
Naval Vet"So the current #18 team in the country is
"lowly" now? "Do you understand what hyperbole is?According to our friends on the hill, EVERY WAC team is "lowly".
If you don't believe that, do a quick search past D-news blogs
and you'll find a constant stream of disparaging comments about the WAC
posted by jealous Utah fans since BYU's short-term scheduling agreement
with the WAC became public.Obviously, Utah State and San Jose State
aren't lowly this season, but unlike our friends on the hill, BYU fans are
smart enough to recognize that conference affiliation doesn't determine how
good a team is. There are teams in the MAC this year that are MUCH better than
some of the teams in the PAC 10.2, including U.
The hysterical jealous frenzy Ziggy's story is causing amongst Ute faithful
is truly disturbing for the fan base of a program of Utah's stature.Try as we might to find it's equal in Ute lore, we're simply
grasping at straws and must once again admit that BYU's reality is
@naval vetLook at the positive of this years utah record. Since they
are not going to a play in a bowl game this year you don't have to pretend
that you went to it like you did last year.
Byufanforlife:"To all you ute fans Utah did offer Bernard a
scholarship but as defensive back he wanted to play running back so he chose
Byu..."Not according to Rivals or Scout. And, according to Jay
Drew:"News of Bernard's commitment comes a day after the
Cougars learned that Bingham High receiver Hayden Weichers, who pledged last
summer, has decommitted and now plans to sign with Utah State...Coincidentally,
Bernard said his only other offer came from Utah State. He drew some interest
from the school that has been his favorite growing up, Utah, but no
offer."So there you have it. He received no offer from Utah,
and only received one other offer from Utah State. You were wrong. Are you man
enough to admit it?
Duckhunter:Do you have any proof that I didn't fly to El Paso
last December for the Sun Bowl vs. Ga. Tech, or were you just posting more of
your trademark frantic and emotional sour grapes?
@naval vet"Proof? Link? Evidence?"I'm
always amused by your calls for "proof". How would anyone
'prove' anything on a message board full of people from all over the
country? I suppose it is possible that you might have gone but I'll go with
the percentages and say that is about a .0000000000001% chance. That is the
number of actual utah "fans" that did go to America's armpit for
that "prestigious" bowl game last year and I'm sure you
weren't one of them. It is amazing how many of utah
"fans" I have talked to this year that make that claim when the truth is
less than 2000 utah "fans" actually bought tickets. If they are all
telling the truth then I must have actually run in to every single one of them
this past year.LOL!
@Duckhunter"How is you sticking your foot in your mouth "stealing
my thunder"? That doesn't make a bit of sense."This
from the guy who continually makes the absolute least sense on every Utah/BYU
related thread. You are leader of the pack when it comes to spin, getting off
topic, and making up ridiculous stats and percentages regarding things you no
little to nothing about.The funniest thing of all is that you
actually convince yourself that what you spew forth is actually true, and I
think you believe there are others out there who buy into all your misguided,
blue-goggled hype.But thank you... I can always count on you for my
daily ab workout. LOL!
@motorbikeYou are going to have to do better than that since it once
again had absolutely nothing to do with the question asked. You're really
struggling today, hope you get it worked out soon.
motorbike"making up ridiculous stats and percentages regarding
things you no little to nothing about"What exactly does "no
little to nothing" mean?---------naval vetAnybody who would travel from Phily to El Paso to spend New Years Eve in the
armpit of America must be a real glutton for punishment... which makes your
story all the more, er, less, credible.
@2BCSWINS what I was trying to say is you can't bash on byu players not
having success in the NFL because a lot of Utah players also haven't had
success in the NFL and last time I checked the patriots were the best team in
the AFC after Tom Brady lit up the texans secondary(which as you stated Bryce
McCain is a starter for them)
This has been without a doubt the silliest, pettiest and most juvenile comment
thread I have read - at least within the past several years. A bunch of "My
dad can beat up your dad" and "I am a better person because I root for a
superior team." Since when does who I root for have life and death
consequences. I would be a Cougar fan even if they went 2 - 10 one year. I also
hope that Utah and Utah State always have great seasons. It doesn't make me
feel better when the Utes lose - and why should it. It doesn't make me a
better person, it doesn't bump up my rate of pay or make my kids love me
more. I'll be driving the same car regardless of how the Cougars do in the
Poinsettia Bowl. I'll watch and hope and cheer. If they win, I will be
happy but won't feel like I have to announce my superiority to the world.
If they lose, I won't slit my wrists or get drunk or depressed. Obla dee
obla da, life goes on!
Amazing story of an amazing young man.
I think it's sad that this is a good article about a young man who has
worked really hard and now is going to be rewarded for his efforts and you guys
have to turn it into a BYU Utah argument. Whether he goes to Utah or BYU I
think we should be proud of the young men that work hard and get to show that
work in th nfl! Both Bronco and Whittingham are great coaches and I'm sure
they are proud of their athletes that have worked hard and get to take that next
step. To both of those coaches it's about the players not themselves.
They triple teamed Ziggy in San Diego and the other defensive players
benefitted. Ansah is not only a player, he is a gentleman and legitimate
student, a great credit to BYU and collegiate athletics. Good hunting in the NFL