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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    Disappointed, but not worrying the least about our future.

    Why do I know Kyle will take us to the top of the nation.

    Because he already did take us to the top of the nation(see only undefeated team in the whole country 2008).

    That wasn't a fluke.

    Nor will it be next time we're there.

  • GABBY Farmington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    I am hoping for a better season in 2013, but I believe that the U needs a new offensive coordinator, someone who has a little more experience in that position. At least that will be a start.

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    I believe Whittingham has one more season, and if it is like this year, I could see im getting the boot, same with Bronco.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Whittingham is still the right man for the job. The changes at quarterback were certainly a set back. The offense was inconsistent, with too many 3rd and longs. Red Zone offense would grind to a halt. The defense was over-hyped in preseason. They'd swing between dominating and being dominated. Conference play will always be front-loaded (USC, ASU, UCLA). Utes need a non-conf schedule that prepares them for that.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Coach Whitt needs to reverse the trend next year and win 8+ games. I, like others, still think he's the right man for the job. The PAC 12 was extremely tough this year, but going 5-7 just isn't getting it done.

    @Gabby,

    Not so sure about Brian Johnson. His play calling appeared to improve as the season went on. Not so sure about Travis Wilson either. Did the guy ever throw a 50+ yard bomb all season? I'm hopeful and optimistic: Here's to next year; GO UTES!

  • BallJunkie South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    I think he gets another year. So does Brian J a OC. I'm a big SEC Fan and have tried to express to Utah and BYU fans for years that moving to a good BCS Conference is not easy and your will not like the results. The 2004 Utah Team was for real they could have beat anybody.....but put them in an SEC league or even a PAC12 league and the chances of them getting thorugh undefeated are very very slim. It's about depth and playing 7-8 good teams in a season.

    Next year will be Kyle's third in the conference and fourth year of knowing you are PAC12 and having that to help with recruiting. If Utah is not a 9 win team with a good bowl outing then Kyle needs to go.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    RSLJAZZBYUUTAH,

    Are you saying both Bronco, and Kyle may get the Beehive boot next year?

    Chris B----it was a fluke. Our country will pay off it's national debt before the utes go undefeated. With that said,--let's hope the utes go undefeated.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    I am a BYU fan. I think that BYU and Utah have a lot to improve for next year, but I think that they both will fill in the gaps. Next year will be very interesting. Here is my prediction:

    BYU: 244
    Utah: 244 (Game decided to be tied after game went to 27 overtimes)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    Chris B

    Whittingham hasn't even proven that he can beat a PAC 12 team with a winning record, let alone, take the Utes back to the "top", which to U is 2nd place.

    2008 was a fluke.

    The Utes were VERY fortunate to beat TCU and Oregon State at home, and barely survived beating Michigan(3-9) 25-23, Air Force(8-5) 30-23, and New Mexico(4-8) 13-10 on the road.

    With USC on probation, and ASU, Arizona, UCLA and Colorado all finishing with losing records, the Utes blew their best chance to win the PAC 12 South by getting dominated at home by lowly 10-loss Colorado.

    It could be a couple of decades before the stars align once again for the Utes to have another shot at a PAC 12 championship game.

    Whittingham will be long gone "the next time you're there."

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    I agree worf, and Utah will go undefeated for the 8th time before byu does it a 2nd time.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    @phoenix
    How was 2008 a fluke? The Utes Beat BYU, TCU, Oregon St and Alabama on the road (60,000 bama fans in attendance). All of those teams were ranked and 2 of them were ranked in the top 10.
    If you look at most college football teams that are fortunate enough to have an undefeated season there are some great wins and several instances when they could have easily lost. Look no further than Notre Dame this year, they blowout Oklahoma on the road but had some inexplicably close wins.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    One question for Coach Whitt.. If Brian Johnson applied for 50 OC jobs at ANY D1 schools....

    1. How many would respond to his application? My guess. 10
    2. How many would grant and interview? My guess. 2
    3. How many jobs would be extended? My guess? 0

    I can't think of a single BCS school that would take an unproven QB coach coach and elevate him to this level. Like the Lakers retiring Phil Jackson and promoting the ball boy...

    Just don't get it. Gotta believe we could have done better...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    @ gonefishn

    Anything but give credit where credit is due. Very seldom do teams go undefeated, and we both know they have to play very good, and get a few breaks along the way. To some, when Alabama, Boise State or Notre Dame do it: it's because they have a great team. When Utah does it, it's a fluke. Merely consider the source; we both know that may very well have been the best team in the country in 2008. That was a very good and special team; certainly not a fluke. Just ask any Alabama fan.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    "A picture says a 1000 words."

    I wonder if I can get an autographed copy of it?

    Every story about the Utes disappointing season features it prominently.

    How about just running the picture with no story?

    It epitomizes the angst of Ute Nation so well.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Using the past two years of PAC12 performance certainly adds some questions about all the hype of the PAC10 invitation and the 2008 season as to the comment...

    "Utes are ready to compete at the next level"

    Just because you have TWO miracle seasons in the MWC obviously does not mean squat when you get to play in a 'big boy' conference does it?

    "That wasn't a fluke"?

    Well with two 'stellar' seasons and no bowling this year, certainly it's one of those storylines that's beginning to gain some traction.

    Thanks for suggesting it Chris B.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    Utah fans like to pretend that the Utes have always had a great football program that is only suffering a temporary slump. The truth is just the opposite.

    1994 - after more than 100 years of playing football, the Utes finally crack the AP Top 25 for the 1st time

    2003 - after a 10-year absence the Utes crack the AP poll for the 2nd time

    2004 - Utes dominate a weak schedule and take advantage of recent rules changes to crack the BCS

    2005-2007 - back to mediocrity

    2008 - Utes enjoy a perfect storm season; barely survive several scares at home and on the road and upset Alabama in the Sugar Bowl

    2009-2012 - Utes begin their downward slide back to mediocrity from ranked to unranked to losing season

    Regardless of what Utah fans hope will happen, it remains to be seen whether Utah will ever become anything more than a middle to bottom of the PAC team, with an occasional break through season every decade or so.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 4, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass, You've been throwing too many rocks at windows.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Im a big Ute fan but if you think losing Jordon was what happened to this team you are wrong wrong wrong. JW was not the same player and if you coaches couldn't see that during spring and fall practice then you don't know how to see talent.The offense is pathtic play calling and the scheme, was worse. Sorry but even the D did not look good special teams overall fair. A lot of work to do. Go Utes

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Dec. 4, 2012 6:18 p.m.

    Utah fans are still supportive of Whit after a difficult season, while Y fans are calling for Bronco's lynching after a winning season.

    Utah fans are invested in the team and the people who have worked so hard over the last decade to build the program. Whit has earned the credibility to get the benefit of the doubt for next season. I think he gets next year to right the ship. If he doesn't then he'll make a nice replacement for Bronco.

    BYU fan's seem so desperate to win that they throw everyone under the bus if they don't live up to what most non BYU fans would see as their unrealistic expectations (see Bronco, Doman, Heaps, Riley, the unnamed managment guru).

    What's funny is Bronco's name is coming up all over the place to be a head coach as some of the truly elite programs around the country. I don't think Y fans know when they have a good thing. It'll be interesting to see how Heaps does at Kansas next year.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 4, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    SportsFan, from 1962 to 1967 the AP only ranked the top 10, Utah finished 14 in the coaches poll that year. BYU wasn't ranked the in any poll until 1977. Some other statistics for wayward kittens: Utah overall record 623-428-3 (.590). BYU 484-369-26 (.565). Bowl Records Utah 13-4 (.765). BYU 12-17-1 (.417). Head to head Utah leads 56-34-4 including 8 of the last 11 (including many Y beat downs). So from the above SportFan if Utah is so bad, BYU is far worse. As always, way too easy.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 4, 2012 7:02 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    Using the past two years of PAC12 performance certainly adds some questions about all the hype of the PAC10 invitation and the 2008 season as to the comment...

    "Utes are ready to compete at the next level"

    Just because you have TWO miracle seasons in the MWC obviously does not mean squat when you get to play in a 'big boy' conference does it?

    "That wasn't a fluke"?

    Well with two 'stellar' seasons and no bowling this year, certainly it's one of those storylines that's beginning to gain some traction.

    Thanks for suggesting it Chris B.

    ________________

    Using the past two years of BYUs performance certainly adds some questions about all the hype of being an independent.

    San Jose St. owns BYU 6-10 all time.
    Colorado owns BYU 3-8-1 all time.
    BYU can't beat ranked at the time they play them.
    BYU keeps losing to Utah.
    No power conference has extended an official invite.

    Thanks for the comments sammyg.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 4, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    phoenix,

    BYU has never beaten 4 teams in the same season that finished the year ranked in the top 25. I'm pretty sure they have never beaten three. Have they ever beaten two? I don't know the answer.... just asking.

    Fluke or not, at least Utah has beaten 4 ranked teams while BYU hasn't even come close.

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    The QB fiasco falls squarely on Whittingham. He should have had a 2nd and 3rd QB ready in the wings. You can't blame the season on a bad shoulder or an inexperienced OC. Whittingham has to take full responsibility.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2012 7:24 p.m.

    pebbles

    In 1994, BYU finished #18 in the AP, #10 in the Coaches. There's no guarantee that just because the Utes finished #14 in the Coaches poll in 1964, that the Utes would have finished in the Top 20 in the AP poll; that's pure speculation on your part.

    It's a proven fact that BYU had been ranked in the AP Poll TEN times, before Utah cracked the poll for the first time.

    The truth is, Utah didn't accomplish a single thing on a national scale until the Utes cracked the Coaches poll in 1964, and then the Utes disappeared again completely from the national radar until 1994.

    Final Tally
    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18 Coaches, 17 AP
    Utah 7 Coaches, 5 AP

    Sorry, but final rankings are the only true measure of success.

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Dec. 4, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    Sorry if I am playing the devil's advocate here. This is all I got to say about Coach Whitt and Utah football. Eight years as a head coach, two years of that eight years as a head coach in a BCS conference (PAC-12). He's had eight years to learn as a head coach in the MWC/PAC-12 to find ways to win and adapt to two different conferences and an ever changing state of college football. I understand a lot has happened within the Utah football program in those two years, but IMO, Whitt is just not cut out to be a head coach in a BCS conference. He has the athletes and the talent to have 10+ win seasons, notice I said seasons, plural. And that was very possible last year. You can see a whole lot of holes in the boat from a mile away, and the coaching staff has not identified them yet. If you can't coach players to plug those holes and keep them plugged, you are not going to win very many games. While most will disagree with me, that is fine. I see what I see.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    What's to be disappointed about?

    Utah:

    1) Is in the PAC 12
    2) Is in a BCS Conference
    3) Finished above Colorado and Washington State and beat California as well
    4) Is in the conference that hosts the Rose Bowl
    5) Finished about where they belong, not lower, which could have happened
    6) Beat their new rival, Coloraddo, and their old rival, BYU
    7) Barely lost to USU and that was on the road

    So why all the disapponitment? They did as well as could reasonably be expected.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    Utah is 0-8 versus Washington, including losses in 2011 and 2012
    BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win 2010

    Utah is 24-31-3 versus Colorado, including losses in 9 of their last 12 meetings
    BYU is 3-8-1 versus Colorado, with wins in 3 of their last 4 meetings, including a bowl

    Versus other PAC 12 teams
    Ariz 20-16-2
    ASU 6-18
    Ore 8-19
    OSU 6-9-1
    Cal 4-5
    Stan 2-3
    UCLA 2-9
    USC 3-7
    WSU 7-5

    In your first two years in the PAC 12, 7-11.

    The PAC 12 OWNS U!

    btw,

    as everyone knows, what an opponent is ranked when you play them is far less important than what they're ranked at the end of the season, but just for the record, BYU has beaten three teams, #3 Pittsburgh, #1 Miami, and #3 Oklahoma, that were ranked higher when BYU played them than ANY team Utah has ever beaten.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    Hey utah "fans"....I'm guessing that none of you read antelopevalleyute's post above or else you will all pretend you didn't.

    LOL!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Quit digging man. AVUte is one mis-informed person. It does nothing to prove your point considering the fact that the vast majority of Utah fans still support coach Whitt.

    @ Antelope Valley

    Utah clearly does not have the athletes to put ten wins together in the PAC-12; especially last year. Depth is a huge problem. As are the linebackers, O-line, and WR's and kickers.

    He's had eight years as a head coach and has 70-32 record. That puts him in the top 25% of all active coaches for winning percentage, and he's done that with mid-major players and a mid-major budget. What more could you possibly want? In short, you are ridiculous for expecting Utah to step into the PAC and compete immediately. Whittingham has consistently won at Utah, give him time to make his team a winner in our new conference.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    @Snack Pac

    Where a team finishes in the rankings is the only thing that matters. Oklahoma and Pitt were #3 to start the season, but they both finished un-ranked. In other words, they were way over-rated and, obviously, not one of the top teams in the country. You have identified the problem with pre-season rankings though, so congratulations.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    The article is about Utah football, competing in the PAC 12, and moving forward to improve. I don't recall any reference to a team south of SLC or anything even close to discussing AP rankings from 30 years ago. Frankly, a lot of the post to this article are the same repeated drivel from the same posters.

    My suggestion is you make a relevant comment or go to an article about another team and post your false bravado about playing half a dozen no name teams so you can have a winning record. If that doesn't float your boat you can post how great your coach is, or conversely had bad he is and needs to go.

    KW has some work to do the get the team back to a winning record and regular appearances in bowl games. The competition level got better and our QB play got worse - a bad combination that has lead to a disappointing record the past two year in PAC 12 play.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    Flinching

    "Utah clearly does not have the athletes to put ten wins together in the PAC-12"

    And that will be the case or excuse for each year IMHO.

    But Chris B. and company said the athletes would be lining up to join the Utes and that the wins would come.

    Still waiting or has the best come and gone already?

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Utah, be quiet. We don't want to play you anymore, remember?

    What's been is been. Why keep dredging it up over and over and over and over, ad nauseum! Who cares? Go and build your program and leave BYU alone. We will do the same. There is too much hate in the world and real problems here in our nation to keep squabbling over all this trivia.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    @ BYU alum

    You realize you commented that on a Utah article, right?

    @ Sammy

    You are certainly entitled to that opinion. I respectfully disagree. I have confidence that Coach Whitt can/will turn Utah into a winner in the PAC. The good news is we will get to see it play out in the coming seasons.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    When Utah goes undefeated it's a "perfect storm" or a "fluke". When Boise State, TCU, BYU or Alabama go undefeated it's because they had a great team. My 2009 Sugar Bowl Hoodie doesn't say fluke or perfect storm on it; but it does say 13-0 on the back.

    Also, thanks to all of the Utah Haters who continue to troll the Utah threads. Your envy and jealousy is awesome! Keep up the bad work!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    Uteanymous

    No need to appologize. Your Cougars lead the ranking war, and the Utes lead the head to head war. Us Utah fans will continue to support the Utes. Nothing worse than a fair weather fan. You can continue to support your Cougars. There's nothing wrong with supporting your team.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "When Utah goes undefeated it's a "perfect storm" or a "fluke". When Boise State, TCU, BYU or Alabama go undefeated it's because they had a great team."

    Actually, that's not far off.

    When Utah goes undefeated its more like a one-hit wonder; no build up in years prior to show that they're legitimate.

    When Boise State, TCU, BYU, or Alabama go undefeated it's a continuation of years of football excellence culminating in an extraordinary season.

    Call us the first time Utah finishes in the Top 12 in five out of six seasons, including back-to-back Top 7 finishes, a 24-game winning streak, and a National Championship.

    If you want to know why Utah 2004 and 2008 didn't stand a chance of competing for a national championship, see 2001 to 2003 and 2005 to 2007.

    One hit wonders, like Northern Illinois this year and Hawaii years ago, occasionally qualify for things like BCS bowls or Sweet Sixteens, but quickly fade back into mediocrity.

    Utah - 5 AP Top 25 finishes EVER
    BYU - 17 AP Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years

    The difference between being a flash in the pan and a perennial Top 25.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    @ Utenanymous

    It's not my fault that your Cougars haven't been to a BCS bowl. Maybe a perfect storm will develop in Provo and your Cougs will end up in a BCS bowl. Don't hold your breath though, and remember, your Cougars hold the ranking record. Quick, to your blue time machine. Go back at least 15 years. Call us when you beat us.

    LOL!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Utah fans have deluded themselves into believing that playing in a bcs bowl is the pinnacle of major college football achievement.

    While Utah fans are still fixated on the antequated, inherently biased bcs bowl structure, where an unranked, 8-5 Wisconsin team can sneak into the "Grand Daddy of Them All", BYU fans are looking forward to the playoffs where the ultimate prize awaits.

    While teams like Ohio State and Michigan are beefing up their schedules to better position themselves for the playoffs, Utah is dropping BYU to schedule Big Sky teams just to qualify for a bowl.

    To Utah fans, the "perks" of being in a power conference are simply having the opportunity to sneak into a "decent" bowl without having to have a stellar season, in other words, without having to earn it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    @Snack Pac

    Of course knocking off an 11-1 Alabama team, as a 10 pt. underdog, in there back yard (BCS, Sugar Bowl) is the pinnacle of major college football. Everyone outside of Provo knows that. Even an unbiased BYU fan knows that. It's not my fault that no conference wants your Cougs, or that you haven't came close to playing in a BCS bowl. Those are just the facts. As far as schedule goes, didn't the Utes drop BYU to pick up Michigan? Sorry guy, but that's better competition. We all know who played a tougher schedule this year, and will again next year.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 5, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    toosmartforyou

    1) Is bottom dweller in the PAC 12
    2) Is in a BCS Conference and isn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl
    3) Only conference wins versus the only three worse teams in the PAC 12
    4) The closest they'll ever get to playing in the Rose Bowl is when they play a road game at UCLA
    5) Finished significantly lower than where they were predicted to finish
    6) Barely beat another 10-loss Coloraddo, and got lucky to beat BYU
    7) Lost to the only WAC team on their schedule

    If 5-7 with no bowl is something you feel like beating your chest about, knock yourself out.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "We all know who played a tougher schedule this year, and will again next year."

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams THIS SEASON; Utah only played THREE.

    It's obvious which team played the most tough opponents this season.

    BYU's 2013 Schedule (one more pending)
    at Virginia(4-8)
    #23 Texas(8-4)
    Utah(5-7)
    at #22 Utah State(10-2) (WAC champion)
    Georgia Tech(6-7) (ACC championship game)
    at Houston(5-7)
    #19 Boise State(10-2) (tri-MWC champion)
    at Wisconsin(8-5) (B1G champion)
    Middle Tenn St(8-4)
    at #1 Notre Dame(12-0) (BCS championship game)
    at Hawaii(3-9)

    Four ranked teams; three conference champions; and a possible defending national champion.
    BYU's best opponent - #1 Notre Dame
    BYU's worst opponent - Hawaii(3-9)

    It remains to be seen if Utah's schedule is any "better".
    Utah's best opponent - #4 Oregon
    Utah's worst opponent - take your pick - Weber State(2-9), Colorado(1-11) or WSU(3-9)

    It's obvious which team plays the worst opponents next season.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    "Utah fans have deluded themselves into believing that playing in a bcs bowl is the pinnacle of major college football achievement."

    That is the pinnacle for mid-majors. You know, teams like BYU.

    Michigan is beefing up their schedule, by scheduling teams like Utah. But you also slammed Utah for dropping BYU to Big Sky schools (aka Michigan). Explain that one....

    Also you don't seem to understand that Utah, Michigan, and tOSU don't need to beef up anything to qualify for the playoffs. They have to win their respective CCG. Conference play will take care of SOS by itself.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but the pinnacle for every major college football program is winning a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, something BYU has already done and Utah fans can only dream of doing.

    The explanation of beefing up a schedule is simple:

    Michigan and Ohio State are beefing up their OOC schedules by scheduling other solid programs like BYU and Utah, while Utah intentionally dropped BYU to schedule teams like Weber State.

    Simply winning your conference championship game WILL NOT get you into the playoffs, especially a 4-team playoff. Look no further than this season's Top 4 BCS finishers:

    #1 Notre Dame
    #2 Alabama
    #3 Florida
    #4 Oregon

    As U can clearly see, NO B1G champion, NO Big 12 champion, and NO ACC champion.

    If Ohio State(12-0) and #3 in AP were eligible, the Buckeyes would be #2 or #3 in the BCS, and guess what, NO PAC 12 champion.

    With five power conferences + Notre Dame, and only 4 playoff spots available, it's GUARANTEED that at least one, probably two, and as many as three power conference champions WILL NOT be included in the 4-team playoff.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 5, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    2fer

    "...you don't seem to understand that Utah, Michigan, and [sic] tOSU don't need to beef up anything to qualify for the playoffs. They have to win their respective CCG. Conference play will take care of SOS by itself."

    No, it's you who doesn't seem to understand that winning a conference championship game won't even come close to guaranteeing U a berth in the playoffs.

    If the playoffs had started this season, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida and Oregon would be the odds on favorites to make the playoffs, with Kansas State (which doesn't have a CCG), having an outside chance. CCG winners Stanford, Wisconsin, and Florida State wouldn't have a prayer of being selected.

    Even with a CCG win, playing a team like Weber State instead of BYU could KILL any chance Utah might have of beating out a team like Kansas State for the fourth and final playoff spot.

    Sorry to burst your arrogant "bcs" bubble, but there are no AQs for the playoffs.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Oregon(11-1) didn't even play in the PAC 12 championship game this season, yet the #4-ranked Ducks (final BCS ranking) would have a much better chance of being selected to a four-team playoff this year, than #6-ranked Stanford(11-2), which won the CCG and beat Oregon.

    Just as in basketball, head-to-head and CCG winner will only be part of the equation in deciding between team #4 and team #5.

    Michigan(11-1) playing Utah, BYU, UNLV and Oregon State OOC in 2015, while Utah is playing, for example, Michigan, Weber State, Colorado State and Iowa, could be the difference between Utah(11-1) making the playoff, or just missing the playoff, regardless of the head-to-head outcome of Michigan versus Utah.

    The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on the hill would never end if Utah won the PAC 12 championship, but just missed the playoffs because Utah played Weber State instead of BYU.

    Hypothetical, yes.

    Possible, also yes.

    And that's the kind of scenario Utah fans should seriously consider before blowing off playing a D1-AA team instead of BYU as inconsequential.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 5, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    I don't recall Hill ever mentioning the playoffs when talking about the reason Utah dropped BYU in 2014 and 2015. I do recall Hill saying that playing Michigan and BYU in the same season was more than the Utes could handle (that is, if the Utes wanted to finish bowl eligible).

    After this last season, it's easy to see why Hill and Whittingham have adopted the scheduling philosophy of scheduling an A, B, and C game each year - A. challenging (BYU); B. decent, but very winnable (like Utah State before this season); C. gimme (Weber State).

    Interestingly, the exact three teams Utah scheduled last season, to play next season.

    If the PAC 12 was really serious about qualify teams for the playoffs, they'd have an 8-game conference schedule, instead of 9. Playing that extra game ensures an unbalanced home/road conference schedule and guarantees 6 more conference losses each year.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    @ Jealous You

    No need to get excited. It's easy to reel off names of teams and act like it means something. It's another to back up your position with statistics and facts. Strenght of schedule this year.
    Per Sagarin Rankings:
    Utah = 26
    BYU = 56
    Per RPI Rankings:
    Utah = 70
    BYU = 111
    I'm sure you realize strength of schedule is based on your entire schedule? As far as next year, I'd be willing to bet Utah's will be higher at year end. That's the way it goes when you play in one of the top 3 conferences in the country; as opposed to hand picking your opponenents. I hope this helps with you strength of schedule understanding.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Rockwell

    Sorry, but it really doesn't matter who Utah, or any PAC 12 team, play in the non-conference. Run the table, and you will be in a playoff. Have you ever looked at who Oregon, Alabama, LSU and Ohio State play in non-conference games? Check out Oregon's this year. FYI, a PAC 12 team would have qualified in each of the last three years, for a four team playoff. That's what happens when you go 11-1 in the second or third toughest conference in the country.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 5, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    Jealous U, Spokane ute beat me to the punch. You seem to have overlooked the strength of schedule metric when making your sos analysis

    Snack, you still didn't answer the question. Has byu ever beaten two teams in the same season that finished the year ranked in the top 25?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Sorry, but it really doesn't matter who Utah, or any PAC 12 team, play in the non-conference. Run the table, and you will be in a playoff."

    You don't have the slightest shred of evidence that that is true.

    If Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, and Ohio State had all been undefeated this season, do you really expect us to believe that an undefeated Utah team would have been picked over any of those elite teams?

    SOS only matters when two teams have equivalent overall records, but the only teams people and pollsters really pay attention to are the very good teams on your schedule and BYU blew away Utah in that regard in 2012, and could easily repeat that in 2013.

    Overall record means much more than SOS - see final Sagarin ratings for 2011 and 2012 if you don't believe that.

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    U 90

    "Has BYU ever beaten two teams in the same season that finished the year ranked in the top 25?"

    Yes!

    BYU beat two Top 15 teams on the road (Air Force and UCLA) in 1983, part of that 24-game winning streak that culminated in BYU winning the 1984 National Championship.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 5, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    Uteanymous,

    Thanks for the research. My question was in response to certain Y fans who claimed 2008 was a fluke when utah beat 4 top 25 teams. I find the fluke comment hypocritical considering byu has not matched this feat. In fact in 1994 Utah beat 3 teams in the top 18 (Oregon, Colorado state and byu) and I'm pretty sure byu nas not beaten 3 ranked teams. So any talk of flukes is completely baseless especially when coming from the fan of a team who has't matched the accomplishment.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You conveniently chose to ignore these little details during your vast research:

    Per Sagarin Rankings:
    #36 BYU
    #51 Utah

    Per RPI Rankings:
    #55 BYU
    #78 Utah

    Obviously, SOS doesn't mean much if you don't win.

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    It doesn't really matter anyway, since we'll have an 8-team playoff long before the Utes even sniff an undefeated PAC 12 season, but you're only fooling yourself if you think that an undefeated Utah team would be a lock for a 4-team playoff.

    An undefeated Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Alabama, with a one-loss LSU or Georgia could easily be selected over an undefeated Utah, leaving the Utes on the outside looking in, even with an undefeated PAC 12 title under their belts.

    Chances are very likely that we'll continue to see a couple of SEC teams in the playoffs more often than not, which would only leave two spots available for the B1G, Big12, ACC, PAC12, Notre Dame, and/or a non-power conference team having a great season.

    What makes you or any other Utah fan think that an undefeated Utah team would be a lock for one of those two remaining playoff berths?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:17 p.m.

    @two fer

    I love how easily proof is summarily dismissed by utah "fans". You get proven wrong, pretend it doesn't happen then question the knowledge and sanity of the ute "fan" that disagree's with you.

    LOL!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    You're right, that one Utah poster outweighs all of the other Ute fan who (the vast majority) who still support Coach Whitt. That makes your weak jab at Ute fans in the other article completely valid and true despite the fact that BYU fans have been calling for Bronco and Doman's head all season. Congratulations.

    @ everyone else

    In 2004 Utah climbed to 5 and 6 in the AP and coaches poll and in '08 Utah was number 7 at the end of the regular season, and that was with no respect and a weak SOS. If Utah ran the table in the PAC-12 there is no way Utah won't be ranked high enough to automatically qualify for the playoffs. The advantage of being an undefeated PAc-12 champ....

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 6, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    2fer

    "If Utah ran the table in the PAC-12 there is no way Utah won't be ranked high enough to automatically qualify for the playoffs."

    Sorry to burst your crimson-colored bubble, but there's NO WAY an undefeated Utah would finish ahead of an undefeated Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Georgia, or Alabama, and very little chance of an undefeated Utah finishing ahead of a one-loss Alabama, LSU, Georgia or Florida. And that doesn't even consider the possibility of an undefeated Miami, Virginia Tech or Florida State from the ACC, or another undefeated Notre Dame.

    Bottom line:

    There are so many scenarios where an undefeated PAC 12 champion Utah could be shut out of a 4-team playoff that it's ludicrous to even suggest that Utah would be a lock for the playoffs simply by running the table.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Two for Flinching

    "The advantage of being an undefeated PAc-12 champ..."

    would be dwarfed by the disadvantage of being a non-elite, johnny-come-lately program with no national legacy.

    Picture Iowa State or Washington State or Indiana or Vanderbilt competing against Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oklahoma, Texas, Miami, or Florida State for that 4th and final playoff spot. If the records and SOS are similar, which they will be, we all know which teams would be the real contenders, and which teams would only be pretenders.

    The power brokers of college football protect their own.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    @ Backpan

    Strenght of schedule was questioned, not final ranking. You may want to read the post before calling some one out in the future. Of course record matters more, but that's not what the topic of conversation was.

    Uteanymous,

    You sure know your Cougars, even when you have to go back almost 30 years.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Rockwell,

    Right, and the earth is flat. Like all of those teams are going to go undefeated. Again, who did Oregon play in the non-conference this year?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You're seriously trying to compare Utah (a team still looking for its first win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record) to Oregon (a team that is close to dislogding USC as the PAC 12's premier team)?

    Rockwell never said all of those teams would have to be undefeated. All it would take for an undefeated PAC 12 champion Utah to be left out of the playoffs would be for Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Alabama to go undefeated and a one-loss LSU, Florida, or Georgia to suffer that one loss to Alabama. That's a VERY realistic scenario. Throw in an undefeated or one-loss Notre Dame, or a undefeated ACC champion like Florida State, Virginia Tech or Miami, and Utah's chances for being included in a 4-team playoff would be tenuous at best.

    If a scenario similar to the above did occur, how much more comfortable would Utah fans feel about their chances if Michigan and BYU were on Utah's OOC schedule, rather than Michigan and Weber State?

    Scheduling just to ensure a bowl game could come back to bite the Utes in a big way.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "You sure know your Cougars, even when you have to go back almost 30 years."

    Fortunately for BYU fans, BYU actually has some football history from 30 years ago that's worth remembering.

    Here's a little question to test your knowledge of Utah football:

    Has Utah ever finished in the Top 25 in both polls in three or more consecutive seasons?

    And a question to put rankings in perspective:

    Which is more important, BEATING a ranked team, or BEING a ranked team?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    @Lonestar
    If Utah wins out, they will play in the 4 team playoff. It doesn't matter if they play Lone Peak, Bingham and Highland HS in the non conference. Don't kid your self. Again, answer the question; who did Oregon play in non-conference games this year.

    @Rockwell
    Yes, per the coaches Poll: 2008 #4, 2009 #18 and 2010 #23. Why do you ask? Which is more important? Both, it's difficult to be ranked, with out beating ranked teams. What's your point?

    Bottom Line
    BYU finished Ranked Higher
    Utah played a tougher schedule
    Utah beat BYU
    BYU had a better record
    Both teams underachieved.
    BYU is going bowling, Utah is staying home.

    Agreed?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    I personally think the point is moot as we will never see an undefeated, or for that matter 1 loss, utah team again. It is not going to happen, ever. Regardless of their conference affiliation utah is not good enough to accomplish either of those records.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "If Utah wins out, they will play in the 4 team playoff. It doesn't matter if they play Lone Peak, Bingham and Highland HS in the non conference. Don't kid your self. Again, answer the question; who did Oregon play in non-conference games this year."

    Oregon played Arkansas St, Fresno St, and Tennessee Tech and finished #4 in the BCS, which you think proves that an undefeated PAC 12 champion Utah would be a lock for a 4-team playoff.

    Unfortunately, you have some fatal flaws in that analysis, not the least of which is an eligible Ohio State would have pushed Oregon to 5th.

    AP Poll (which includes ineligible Ohio St)
    1. Notre Dame(12-0)
    2. Alabama(11-1)
    3. Ohio State(12-0)
    4. Florida(11-1)
    5. Oregon(11-1)
    6. Georgia(11-2)

    Notice two one-loss SEC teams ahead of Oregon and a two-loss SEC team right on Oregon's heels.

    Throw in an undefeated Oklahoma or Texas in a future season, and even an undefeated Oregon could have been shut out of the playoff with their weak OOC schedule, and an undefeated Utah wouldn't stand a chance.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Utah's SOS this year is higher than 'Bama's, Georgia's, Oregon's, AND Notre Dame's. If Utah had ran the table this season there is no way the Utes would be left out of a 4-team playoff. Especially considering that the Utes would have been fresh off a victory over a top 10 team in the CCG. I realize that Utah doesn't have the "name recognition", but that's not how the committee is going to be picking teams to fill the four slots. They will look at each team's resume, and the "undefeated PAC-12 champs" with a SOS higher than any other team in contention would be a lock for a spot.

    @ Duckhunter

    You must be a rich man with your ability to predict the future with such certainty...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 7:38 p.m.

    @two for

    Let's put it this way, my prediction of utah never going undefeated again is far more likely than christina b's predictions of utah winning the pac12 and going to the rose bowl every year. But I'll tell you what, if utah EVER goes undefeated at any time for the remainder of my life I will never, ever, not one time, post anything on a utah article. Never.

    I'll be posting for the rest of my life.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    The thing Utah fans don't seem to understand in this entire hypothetical argument about an undefeated PAC 12 champion Utah being a lock for a 4-team playoff spot is this...

    all four teams will be selected by a committee much like the NCAA basketball selection committee, and as we've all seen, traditional powers ALWAYS receive preferential seeding, regardless of RPI.

    The mere thought that Utah would be picked over elite teams like Alabama, Texas, Ohio State and Notre Dame is ludicrous. Utah will have to have an absolutely sterling record with no blemishes just to be in the discussion. Playing Weber State instead of BYU could easily be the kiss of death for Utah's playoff chances.

    But, of course, like Duckhunter said, the chances of Utah even getting to that point are so remote, that it's a waste of time even speculate about it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:49 p.m.

    @ Whatsnu

    I'm not saying Utah will be picked over Bama, Texas, tOSU, and ND. I'm saying (undefeated) Utah would be picked WITH three of them to compete. I know the traditional powers can receive preferential seeding. But I think that with so few teams in this format, the "RPI" will trump the "name brand" effect the vast majority of the time.

    @ Duckhunter

    Chis B is a troll and you will never hear me defend him. However, You shouldn't be proud that you are slightly less ridiculous than the most ridiculous poster on this site. At the end of the day, you're still speaking in absolutes, which is a poor and ineffective way to make a point.

    That being said, I don't care if you post on Utah articles or not. Occasionally you make good points and spark interesting debate.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    When Utah goes undefeated, and doesn't play for the National Championship I will stand on my head and spit out Nickelz! Deal?

    Never gonna happen, but keep telling your self otherwise. what a joke....

    Play in a big boy conference, otherwise, good luck competing with Army....

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 12:16 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter,
    "I personally think the point is moot as we will never see an undefeated, or for that matter 1 loss, utah team again. It is not going to happen, ever."

    Yeah, and that's what you were personally thinking in 2003 and 2007.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 7, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Whittingham would be wise to update his LinkedIn profile.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    U 90

    Would you agree that a team that can't beat good PAC 12 teams on the road doesn't stand a chance of running the table to win a PAC 12 title?

    The Utes haven't had a road win against a PAC 12 opponent with a winning record since the 90's, and after two seasons in the conference, the Utes still haven't beaten a PAC 12 foe with a winning record.

    You may point to 2008 as evidence that Utah isn't just a 2004 one hit wonder and that the Utes could be a conference contender relatively soon.

    I'll point to 1964 when the Utes won their first WAC championship, won a bowl game, and cracked the polls, albeit only the Coaches Poll, for the first time.

    It took the Utes 28 years to play in another bowl (1992), 30 years to crack the polls again (1994), 31 years to win another conference championship (1995), and almost 40 years to accomplish all three again in the same year (2003).

    It remains to be seen whether it will be 4 years or 40 years before the Utes win their next outright conference championship.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    "Play in a big boy conference, otherwise, good luck competing with Army...."

    Actually, BYU is competing with Notre Dame...

    which, in case you hadn't noticed, is doing quite well this year, and against which, BYU was VERY competitive.

    After going 17 quarters without giving up an offensive touchdown, Notre Dame gave up two in a span of 2:18 as Riley Nelson threw a 6-yard scoring pass to a wide-open Cody Hoffman in the end zone and a 2-yard pass to Kaneakua Friel after an interception by Kyle Van Noy.

    That put BYU up 14-7 at halftime.

    Final score:
    UND 17
    BYU 14

    After the game, Notre Dame Head Coach Brian Kelly said, "That's a bracket buster team in basketball parlance, that's a darned good football team."

    I guess we could accept your biased opinion of BYU, or we could acknowledge the professional opinion of someone who really knows the game and what it takes to compete at the national level.

    With Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Boise State, and Michigan, among others, on future BYU schedules, the Cougars will have plenty of opportunities every season to compete against the big boys.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Skywalker

    The next time a coach doesn't build up the opponent after a win, it will be the first. Don't confuse coach speak with a genuine compliment.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Try not to confuse sincere praise with Utah fan jealousy.

    Notre Dame was fortunate to escape with a win. Had Riley's errant pass to a wide-open Hoffman late in the 2nd half been on target, BYU would have beaten the Fighting Irish.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Just Fax,

    Do you not agree that when Utah is able to put together another team like 04 or 08 that winning road games in the PAC 12 will happen more often. The first 2 years in the PAC12 have been disappointing driven by Whit's mishandling of the QB position but I believe he has learned his lesson.

    Since the 80's Utah and BYU have played a similar number of games against PAC12 teams. If I told you that BYU hasn't beaten a PAC12 team on the road with a winning record since 1983 does that make you believe BYU's future is hopeless? I didn't think so. You see, your stats don't prove hopelessness for Utah. In 2002 things didn't look good but then 2003 and 04 happened. In 2007 things didn't look good either, but then 2008 happened. Like I said, your stats don't prove hopelessness.

    Given Utah has demonstrated the ability to beat 4 ranked teams in one season and 3 ranked teams in another season (something BYU has never done) it gives me confidence that Utah will occasionally put together strong teams that will compete for the PAC 12 South and possibly another BCS bowl game.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    skywalker, your team just wasn't that good. Five wins against Idaho, New mexico State, Hawaii, Washington State and Weber state. And then you lost to lowly Utah. Like I said, your team wasn't that good.

    swoop, Yeah, yeah, we know BYU was 23 plays away from a perfect season and a #1 ranking.... and so was every other college football team in America.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    U 90

    Your hyperbole notwithstanding, BYU was four plays away from being 11-1 and having a legitimate shot at playing in a BCS game.

    Unlike BYU, Utah has no history of putting back-to-back great seasons together, which is what it's going to take for the Utes to build enough momentum to get into the playoffs.

    When has Utah ever had back-to-back Top 15 finishes?

    When has Utah had FIVE Top 12 finishes in SIX years?

    When has Utah ever managed back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes in both polls?

    BYU:
    Back-to-back Top 7 finishes: 1983-1984
    Back-to-back-to-back Top 12 finishes: 1979-1980-1981
    Back-to-back-to-back Top 20 finishes: 1983-1984-1985
    Back-to-back Top 15 finishes: 2006-2007
    Back-to-back-to-back-to-back Top 18 finishes: 2006-2007-2008-2009

    Utah:
    Back-to-back Top 18 finishes: 2008-2009

    Utah fans talk about beating ranked teams, but Utah is seldom ranked. Why is that?

    BYU has THREE strings of back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes in both polls.
    Utah has never even had one.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 7, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    When was the last time BYU actually beat Utah?

    Zing...............

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    phantomblade,

    Take a deep breath. You need to read all the posts and understand the context of the thread. The conversation started when Duckhunter stated that Utah will never again have an undefeated or one loss season, and Just Fax says Utah's future prospects in the PAC 12are hopeless. Read my posts again and understand that all I am saying is there is hope that Utah will occasionally compete for the south and possibly a BCS bowl given their track record.

    Nevertheless, thanks for all of the research and stats

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    When was the last time Utah won back to back conference championships?

    One game does not a season make, which is precisely why Utah has been so inept at winning conference championships.

    Utah fans have become accustomed to the Utes getting up for big games, like BYU, and then falling asleep against lesser foes, like Colorado.

    Utah has only won SIX conference championships in the last HALF CENTURY and Urban Meyer is the ONLY Utah coach to win back to back championships (2003, 2004) since the 50's.

    Conference championships are something Utah just doesn't do, which makes your playoff predictions all the more far fetched.

    Conference Championships

    Last 50 Years
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

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    U 90

    I didn't read anywhere in Just the FAX post that said Utah's future PAC 12 prospects were hopeless. He did, however, suggest that it could be a looooong time before Utah has another breakthrough season.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    CordonBleu,

    Just the Fax wrote, "Would you agree that a team that can't beat good PAC 12 teams on the road doesn't stand a chance of running the table to win a PAC 12 title?"

    Call me crazy, but I think he's saying Utah's future prospects winning a PAC 12 title are hopeless.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 8, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    Many of the BYU bloggers like to run down and call the Utes a bad football program with no tradition, yet at the same time they ignore the fact that this same program has literally owned them when compairing the past 5, 10, 15, 20, and all time records.

  • William Wallace OGDEN, UT
    Dec. 8, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    To BYU fans. I'm a Ute fan, and I'm just going to root for the Utes. Why don't you worry about your Cougs. By the way, hopefully you can beat Utah again in the near future, since the rivalry has lost a bit of the zest it once had. Both teams need to win in a rivalry, and the Cougs have struggled with that. Merry Christmas.

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    Dec. 8, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    I just can't bash Utah football even though I want to. My Cougars have to beat them first. I feel like BYU has been the better "team" the last 3 years yet somehow we lay a complete egg against Utah. So, until we win again, I will remail silent.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:13 a.m.

    @ U90

    I'm calling you crazy.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    @ phoenix 3:32 p.m. Dec. 4, 2012

    "2008 was a fluke.

    The Utes were VERY fortunate to beat TCU and Oregon State at home, and barely survived beating Michigan(3-9) 25-23, Air Force(8-5) 30-23, and New Mexico(4-8) 13-10 on the road."

    The really good teams find a way & have the will to win.

    I'm all for giving K-whit 2 to 3 more yrs to see what his 1st P12 recruiting class is made of. The OL play was an anomaly.

    Further, it'll be interesting to see what the Utes can do w/ a more experienced Brain J & T Wilson having more experience.

    p.s. I can say w/ 397% certainty that Johnson > Doman.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    @ CordonBleu 2:09 p.m. Dec. 7, 2012

    "When was the last time Utah won back to back conference championships?"

    Its been at least 2 yrs since the sons of Provo have.