H-2A visas are usually good for up to three years, with no return required? Are
ranching laws different? The workers in the west desert were on H-2b visas. Are
ranches allowed to use the agriculture visas now?The Federal
government should be monitoring their workers more often, and go after the ones
who leave the ranches and deport them. Another side effect of no enforcement.
I had a sheep rancher tell me once, "The only thing dumber than a sheep is a
human who tries to make a living by raising them."
Old Man, I'm calling you out on the statement you made, I
really don't believe you!
It was a rancher up in Woodruff about twenty four years ago. A neighbor and
good friend.Never hear of someone poking fun at himself? I was out
one stormy night helping him with lambing. Four lambs had just been born with
big problems. One had already died.But that sort of thing requires
a sense of humor. For people who don't have one, humor is hard to
recognize.Maybe finding humor in a miserable situation is some kind
of "liberal" thing. Perhaps that's why liberals enjoy better
mental health than some of our neighbors.
I'm cautiously encouraged by your display of humor, old man. I'll
continue trying to get a smile out of you occasionally...
Oneoldman; That's the problem with these things today (refering to texting
and these forums) emotions and humor are so hard to display. I felt the same
way as JDL until you posted your clarification. Some of my ancestors also
raised sheep, and they at times felt as you mentioned, especially when there
were many problems come up at once, but by-and-large, they loved their work.
the same thing can be said about anything that men do for a living. for
instance, my favorite is this "my mother always told me there would be days
like this, just not so many!" This applies to my job, and I love what I do,
and it isn't raise sheep. just remember that without watching expressions,
or full explanations, it's easy to misconstrue meanings, and intentions.
I remember my uncle, who was a rancher for years before he passed on, being
asked how things were going in a particular year. He laughed and said he would
have been better off that year had he gotten out of bed every morning, stepped
out onto the porch, torn up a hundred dollar bill and let it fly away in the
wind, and then went back to bed. But he loved what he did. And had a great sense
On the one hand, people deserve living wages and decent living conditions.
Those who "oppress the hireling in his wages" are guilty of sins that
disfigure their own souls. They "grind upon the face of the poor." God
will not hold them guiltless. Nor should we. On the other hand, a Peruvian
shepherd who gets paid what he is promised and gets the living conditions he is
promised and who returns year after year may well view what we would call
wretched conditions as "pretty good" compared to what he has lived with
all his life working sheep in Peru. If Washington shows up and
tries to regulate everything, US sheep ranching will simply disappear. Then the
shepherds from Peru (and elsewhere) won't find a shepherd job in Peru that
pays what they got here. But regulators in Washington sit back in
their spacious air-conditioned offices and congratulate themselves on improving
working conditions by putting American ranchers out of work AND ruining the
livelihood of guest workers AND driving up costs for American consumers while
raising taxes or increasing the deficit. It's a joke. The
solution is greater love and care not greater regulation.
Agreed, Terra Nova, especially with your last line: "The solution is greater
love and care not greater regulation."But then we run head on
into the kind of love and kindness and honesty displayed by bankers and those on
Wall Street. Or the love and kindness of highly paid executives who tried to
force workers to take a second 30% pay cut in three years while simultaneously
giving themselves 300% pay increases. (Which wound up killing Hostess. And
now, those loving and caring execs are asking the bankruptcy court to allow them
some million dollar bonuses before paying off the creditors.)So when
loving and caring fail -- as they seem to do on a regular basis in modern
America -- what do you suggest happen then?Maybe we need to bring
back the labor unions that have been seriously damaged by all that corporate and
legislative love and care.
You ask this question as though you expect to find a substitute for love:"So when loving and caring fail [...] what do you suggest happen
then?"What happens then, is that misery increases. You may try
legislative or regulatory solutions, and they may have a temporary effect, but
you will not find a lasting substitute for love.
Agreed, Rover.But love seems to be a commodity that has been
forgotten in favor of money and greed.
Thank you, sheep men for letting me sit in on this chat. I get it, and
appreciate it. The internet is more remarkable than I ever imagined.