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BYU football: James Lark leads BYU to 50-14 thumping of New Mexico State

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  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    What's a New Mexico State?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    Bronco needs to figure out why his teams come out flat at times. It's not that common versus lesser opponents, but BYU's done it during Bronco's tenure versus good opponents. Bronco's been a head coach long enough that he shouldn't be learning new things like this.

    Nice win, and kudos to Lark for being able to live the dream so well!

  • Lavell Walnut Creek, Calif
    Nov. 24, 2012 7:19 p.m.

    Ok the opponent was weak but no one could have watched that game and not been impressed with Lark's release and skills. So much fun to watch a passing game that was vintage BYU football. Now we get one more game with "Rudy" starting at quarterback and back to an offense that Doman is more comfortable calling. I for one can't wait. :)

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    Well Juice Box, granted beating NMSU isn't anything to brag about but since you asked, New Mexico State is the team that beat Sacramento State 49-19. That's the same Sacramento State that beat Colorado 30-28. You know, Colorado Utah's new rival. Shouldn't you be commenting on Utah's squeaker of a victory over Colorado?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    Disgruntled

    Boy are you ever reach'n. The same team that beat Sac State that beat Colorado. Typical byu fan using other teams to try and make a point about Utah. Nice try and what the heck did Utah have to do with byu beating one of the 5 worst teams in America--Nothing--

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    For what it's worth, I was 36 for 52 in the annual Thanksgiving game played against the neighbor kids. 9 touchdowns, and only 1 interception. We don't keep track of yards, but I'd guess I got about 450.

    New Mexico State is the 97th toughest pass defense in the nation. The neighbor kids are 87th.

    My accomplishment was more impressive.

    ----------------

    In all seriousness - congratulations, James, on a great game. I hope you get to take some snaps in the bowl game!

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Great game Mr. Lark. It was fun to watch and to ponder "what could've been"? Thanks for the memory.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:27 p.m.

    MLH
    If you are trumpeting utahs win over Colorado, don't bag on BYU for beating New Mexico St. utah was playing in the door mat bowl.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    Way to go Lark! I've been pulling for you since I saw you in practice three years ago. Way to be so classy in such a difficult situation.

    Eagle, I'm sure you are aware that none of your tithing dollars reach the athletic department right? Yours either YDad - BTW your username is somewhat arrogant driving home the stereotype of an obsorbed arrogant BYU fan.

    You don't know what is happening behind the scenes at practice and you don't know the entire story of how Doman has treated certain players. Plus I have not been un-"Christlike" in any of my posts regarding Bronco or Doman.

    Did you know a certain BYU player midseason last year packed everything into a box from Jake Heaps locker? Guess what he did with Jake's stuff...it was dropped in Bronco's office with a hand written note stating "I quite". Who do you think drove this student athlete to empty Jake's locker? Are you aware of how the situation was handled by the coaches? I'm not going to tell you.

    Please get off your holier than thow pedestal.

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:57 p.m.

    Until the people who make the decision concerning who plays Quarterback at BYU get over this "Tough Guy" should start stuff, and start judging who is the most talented at the position (you know, throws the ball to our guys once in a while instead of the other team. Stop running all the time and start using the running people on the team). If I hear how Riley can get hammered and can still get up one more time I am going to throw-up. Getting hammered, misrepresenting your physical condition so you can play, and apologizing week after week for making poor decisions does make a great Quarterback.It makes a great guy, but not the Quarterback that the rest of the team is counting on the coaches to field on game day. Why go out there and kill yourself on defense and offense if the coaches are not using better judgement than "the toughest guy plays' at a skill position. Not the best passer, or field manager, just "the toughest". I guess skill sets don't matter anymore at BYU. Poor Lark! He could have started anywhere else.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    Nice to see that BYU would finish only second to last in the WAC. This season been a wreck and a bowl game is not even remotely deserved.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:01 p.m.

    New Mexico who?

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    Oh Trory06, there are so many stories that could be told that would disgust even the most self righteous of these who opine, some of whom you've named.
    I am such a fan of these kids. Not so much of the coaches.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    I'm reaching? As opposed to Utah fans that feel the need to come on BYU articles and degrade BYU's opponents? We already know this is not a great win, we don't need "typical Utah fans" coming on here and tell us. Again, find yourself an article about your awesome win yesterday to comment on.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    Oh Bronco, "What might have been", had you not been involved in a love triangle to the point that it affected your coaching. I think the fans are owed an explanation as why Lark did not get a chance to show his skills until it's too late. Methinks Lark should have started since the beginning of last year.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    The Utes just can't get over that everything isn't about them and their hatred of BYU. When Utah is undefeated, come talk smack. In the meantime, keep quiet.

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    If James Lark doesn't start in the Poinsetta bowl, Bronco should be FIRED! He hitched his wagon to Riley Nelson and developed tunnel vision.

    I consider Bronco's infatuation with Riley as a weakness in his coaching skills. Both Tayson and James would have been better choices after Riley's early season injury (perhaps before).

    You can point your finger at Brandon but I think the choice of starting quarterback started and ended with Bronco.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    @EastcoastCoug

    we have wen undefeated twice in the last 10 years; how bout you/

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    Bronco should be fired anyway and Doman must go as well

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    No one from the hill should have anything to say. Maybe basketball will treat the utes better than football did... Lol

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:49 p.m.

    Lark was as sharp as I thought he'd be. I absolutely loved watching BYU, the passing team, carve up a defense. Just think how effective he'd be if he had 24 games of experience under his belt.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You may have wen(t) undefeated but you surely didn't "went" to english class.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    BYU won, Doman and Bronco will now be second guessed for not playing Lark sooner this season.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    Yes it was just NMST, but it was a great game by Lark, very happy for him. Makes you wonder what might have been if he had been given 90% of the starting reps for the last two years.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Wonderful job by a great kid who had the patience of Job. New Mexico St is a weak team, in a horrible situation moving to Independance after a one win season and a coaching staff that won't be there to see it. However his throws were great throws good team or bad, with no interceptions or fumbles and that's a first for the entire season. I was shocked that Bronco didn't have the respect for Lark to just say "no comment" when asked about his Bowl Quarterback. Was it really important to kill the moment for James by forcefully insisting Riley Nelson will be the starter? You saw the same thing at halftime of the Hawaii game after Taysom Hill played like a all-American. Bronco said: "Riley Nelson is our starting QB, Hill was just a back-up". It will be a long time to get the mermories of a spoiled season out of my mind, with all the "if's" if BYU had not gone for two, If Riley Nelson had stayed in Logan, if not for ALL the killer turnovers. I am grateful the season is over, I have no interest in a bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    toosmartforyou

    Actually, minored in English, and a BS in Mechananical Engineering; but thanks for the spell check. Nice win against the JV though. Always a cool move to correct someones spelling.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    TroyO6:

    Take a breather and relax please...Lark looked great, I even said he should start. Remember? I stand by my statements about BYU fans and how they have treated Nelson, Mendenhall and Doman. The latter two can take it, they are paid I suppose. I think college and high school players should be off limits from this kind of attacks by people are supposedly are fans.

    Maybe Lark should start against the bowl opponent and we can judge his talents better there. I have to wonder why he was third string, remember Hill was the second unit QB. Of course Nelson looked good against Idaho, would that be a fair assessment? And Idaho is about on par with New Mexico State, could we not agree on that?

    As Jean Valjean said in Les Miserables to Javert, "don't leave it there." Tell us all about how the BYU coaches reacted. If it is a true story, maybe we should all know what happened...Please enlighten us.

    Please don't psychoanalyze my screen name too much, it is just a mascot of a school I attended. Please take a nice warm shower and relax thy soul...

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    Lightening Lad...

    Ute fan here...excellent post my good man! Excellent...

    Thx

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    Just a comparison of Nelson vs. Lark in their games vs. Idaho and New Mexico.

    Nelson passed for 231 yards on on 31 attempts and no interceptions and left the game toward the end of the third quarter. BYU had scored 42 points in the first half, 28 in the first quarter and yes credit seven of those directly to the defense.

    Lark passed for 384 yards on 50 attempts. He was more accurate in percentage than Nelson but again both actually threw no interceptions in each game. BYU didn't score in the first half and led 20-7 at halftime. Lark looked great in the second half. Again, I'm glad the kid a got a shot to start.

    By any standard of objective analysis one can only conclude that Nelson would have a similar type of game if he were to throw the ball 50 times and play comparable length of time.

    Perhaps Lark is "better" but a lot better is arguable. Whether Nelson is as good or better is also arguable. Bottom line, one game provides little proof of anything, especially when the opponent is New Mexico State.

  • CalJac LOS GATOS, CA
    Nov. 24, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Lark's great perfrmance today proved what happens when a QB with good fundamentals throws on time...success. While I realize it was against NMS, Lark's throws would have been completed against most NCAA defenses. It proves what a horrible eye for talent Doman has, keeping an injured Nelson in the line-up when Lark would have won the games Nelson gave away. Thnank goodness Lark has the class and patience he does. He deserved more than Doman & Bronko gave him. I wish I could've seen more of him over the last two years. Well done James!

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    Pretty frustrating season all in all. Is Bronco right in who he played? Only Tom Holmoe's opinion counts. I, personally, hated the entire feel of the past two years. Losing a good kid like Heaps...poor poor coaching. Like kids coaching kids. Where is the "adult" behind the scenes? Oh, how we miss the calm, collected, ever even-keeled Edwards.

    Can Lark play? Likely. Can Heaps? We'll see next year as we watch from a distance. I predict he'll lead the nation. Can Riley Nelson hold his own? Only against teams with losing records. Every game he has played against a half-to-great team, he was horrible. I don't care how much Bronco or Doman like him, I can send 15,000 kids from BYU that are amazing people, leaders, maybe even gritty. They get up when knocked down...but none of them can be the Quarterback at BYU. Riley at the top of the list. If he has any class, and is really good friends with Lark, he'll stay on the sidelines and help coach his "friend" Lark. Otherwise, what a "one-sided" friendship. I will not watch the bowl game if Nelson starts. Fiasco.

  • TBAnnounced9 Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    Eagle, no comparison between the QB skills of Nelson and Lark. It is painful to watch Nelson overthrow, underthrow and just plain miss wide-open receivers. It is painful to watch Nelson throw INT after INT and ruin drives. It is painful to watch Nelson cough up the ball time and time again. It is painful to watch an inept offense ruin the efforts of a very good defense.

    This is all on Bronco. Something is going on behind the scenes....it is the only explanation that makes any sense.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Thank you Eagle, I agree with your assessment of the QB and coaching situation. However I was not attacking your username. Rather the other poster boy who fits the bill for an arrogant BYU grad who's child also attended or currently attends BYU. That's like putting a sticker on the back of you minivan stating, "my son/daughter attends BYU".

    I love Bronco. I respect Brandon's faithfulness to his God, faith, the university, and especially his family. He was a great QB coach and only average OC. But he still has a bright future working at BYU.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    TBA you are right something is going on behind the scenes. Bronco said so in the post game show. But this will be kept in the family...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:09 a.m.

    I wasn't able to watch the whole game, but I watched most of it. I remember specifically one of Lark's overthrown passes and the commentator said "That's his worst throw of the game so far", and I remember thinking aloud, "That's a typical Riley Nelson throw". Lark wasn't perfect, but he certainly had more consistency than Nelson did.

    Nelson isn't a good QB because he has too many bad throws and too many missed opportunities. Sure, he makes some good throws, but a good QB is expected to make good throws. With Nelson, a good throw is rare enough that it a lot of attention is brought to it. It's the huge number of bad throws that makes Nelson a below-average QB.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:18 a.m.

    Riley who?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:18 a.m.

    TBA Announced9:

    Again, that is debatable. Against two very sub par teams both threw zero interceptions. One had more yards, the other put up more points. All Lark has proved is that he, like Nelson, can beat a bad team and put decent stats.

    While one looks like a QB, whatever that means, also means nothing. I am glad Lark did well. He is better than an injured Nelson. I will only go that far. If he was that good he would have beat out Nelson this year and Heaps last year. In fact, he was third on the depth chart to start the season. His spring performance was lacking compared to both Nelson and Hill. He did nothing in the fall.

    As far as the behind the scenes stuff, like I told TroyO6, "don't leave it there." Say what you know if there is indeed something to know. Bring your "inside" stuff and put it on the table...

  • AttilaTheHun Nephi, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:22 a.m.

    It was so refreshing today to see crisp passes that hit receivers square in the numbers time after time. Lark looked the quintessential BYU QB of old. Yeah, it was New Mexico State, but the display Lark put on was more than enough to convince anyone with eyes and a brain that he (and we BYU fans) got shafted these past two years. Wins? Who needs wins over quality opponents anyway? As long as we had a QB with "grit" and "heart" that's all that matters, right?

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:45 a.m.

    Spokane Ute, you opened Pandora's box so let's go. One team has a 2-0 record vs Oklahoma, 2-1 vs Texas, a National Championship won the first New Years major bowl ever accorded a WAC team 1996, beat a #1 team (Miami), has 2 Outland Trophy winners, a Heisman, more Davey Brian's than anyone, along with all of the 5 top position awards vs none for the team to the north. has a 93% grad rate (70th best university) vs less than 40%( at the 125th best) see the Knight Report on College Education. Has a winning streak vs Washington, and UCLA, beat Oregon 38-8, vs a team that hasn't had too many victories outside conference. One team has been winning since the mid 70's with 3 coaches while the team to the north until Meyer changed coaches as often as they now change basketball coaches (every 3 years). One team has more top 10 and top 25 finishes than the other by almost 2 times. Only two teams in America had one of each major award winner plus a national championship, with no NCAA major Violations, BYU and Penn St, now BYU alone

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:59 a.m.

    Very happy for Lark's showing today and for BYU Radio on XM Satellite.

    Listened to the game traveling across Nebraska!

  • Mortoon Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:02 a.m.

    This game shows broncos glaring lack of judgment in evaluating offensive talent. A quarterback is different than a linebacker and needs a different mentality. Riley has been a disaster and his legacy will be that he was the single biggest mistake ever made by a BYU coach in ant sport ever, bar none!

    It is shameful that coaches put a player ahead of an entire program. Playing Nelson despite his obvious lack of talent with real quarterbacks standing on the sidelines and the utter mismanagement of heaps demands that administrating evaluate broncos qualifications to be a head coach at BYU. He does not have fan support! At the very least, Doman should be dismissed immediately and Riley's jersey should be retired for the bowl game.

    Riley, do the right thing and step down. You gave it your all and it wasn't enough. Please don't do any more damage. You are too impaired to play in the bowl game.

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:08 a.m.

    If we all bought tshirts saying LET LARK PLAY do you think anyone in the football department would hear? What if we all just boycotted the flower bowl if Riley suits up?

    This could have been so different. Bronco and Brandon must not sleep nights.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:16 a.m.

    What one thing could you do that would improve both football programs at BYU and Utah? SEND RILEY TO SLC

    Smartest thing USU ever did. Look how sending Riley to Provo worked out for them. The only glitch was that Riley didn't play against usu this year. Could have been an11 win season.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:02 a.m.

    Great game James! Nelson should set the bowl game. I have seen enough of Nelson. three years ago I was dissapointed when Nelson got hurt and got another year to play. Nelson couldn't pass well then and still can't. It was nice to see James hitting his targets. it appers to me the coaches don't understand the talent they have, playing Nelson when hurt cost the team some wins.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    Would this season have been any different if Lark started all season long? Maybe - but I guarantee that Lark could make that throw to Hoffman in the Notre Dame game.

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    toosmartforyou:

    Just so you'll know, Spokane Ute and me both "wen" to the same grammar school. Da island pidgin style talk.

  • stephen29 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    What it really sad here is that we are watching New Mexico State on the biggest college weekend of the year instead of BYU Utah. All the important games in college football played today except BYU Utah. Better get your act together BYU and your scheduling. If you keep playing the New Mexico State's of the world the last week in November the fan base will continue to decline!!!
    Great game Mr Lark, wish we could have seen more of your talents over the years!!

  • Atlantic Blue BELMONT, MA
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Doman or Bronco owe fans an explanation about why Lark sat on the bench. BYU recruits a top flight receiver corps and then goes with a QB who can't throw to them. Unless you cannot, in retrospect, defend the decisions, treat us like adults and tell us why. Or stop sending Cougar Club solicitations for donations.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    Eagle from Provo, Utah, feels there is no proof that Lark is better than Nelson.
    Wow! That is brilliant analysis. We KNOW that Riley Nelson is an extremely marginal quarterback; we have absolute proof of that. We now know that James Lark can accurately throw the long ball, so we had a vertical passing game with Lark as the quarterback, something we have never had with Nelson. Fans have been complimentary about Nelson's character. It's his play on the field that is the problem. And we think Bronco Mendenhall is "nuts" when he repeatedly claims that Nelson gives us the best opportunity to win. To me, this game Saturday is proof that Mendenhall needs to be fired as head coach.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Oh it was so fun to once again see BYU throwing the ball downfield. For one day this season, BYU was BYU!

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    Each BYU fan I know in the Gilmer, TX, area is painfully aware of the stupid idiosyncrasies of Bronco's coaching mentality. He could become only the defensive coordinator, but he has no more reason to be head coach than does Eagle, or me. The players at BYU deserve a head coach who puts them in a position to win. The talent level on this team is much better than 7-5, so whose fault is that? The head coach is responsible. Bronco prepares for ALL games the same (so he says) and thinks "grit" is more important than skill. Wow, how impressive. Just thinking of what could have been this season makes me ill. Lark, Hoffman, Apo, Williams, and a great defense all deserve so much better. Bronco SHOULD go.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    Wow, everyone getting all hyped up about the new end of the year rivalry game byu has with New Mexico State. As I've said before, Utah must play Colorado on rivalry weekend,due to their conference affiliation. They have no choice.

    byu on the other hand, gets to choose which team it is now trying to build a "rivalry" with on the same weekend. Seriously, New Mexico State as the year end rivalry, nice.

    And, before everyone gets all puffed up about the 7-5 season, let's remember against which teams 6 of the wins were garnered...Washington State,Weber State, Hawaii, Georgia Tech, Idaho, New Mexico State. Talk about an ardous task.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    I'm glad he finally got a chance to play. I hope he plays against San Diego State as well.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    They should have played Lark instead of the freshman. It probably would have been the same result, but without risking a freshman and future QB to BYU's beat up O-line.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Good for Lark. He certainly deserved better over his career. That game must have been Bronco's worst nightmare. Not saying Lark is the greatest QB in the land but at least he performs like he belongs in the position. Of the many good things that can be said about Riley, being qualified to play College QB isn't one of them. He was also illused and would have been better off and likely more successful as a safety. The most frustrating thing for me about this season has been Bronco's misguided and stubborn loyalty to the one while sacrificing the 99. Not to mention thousands of fans. Hopefully some things will change for the better in the off season.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Congratulations, Mr. Lark! I remember when you committed to the Y. I was hoping it would have been to another school! But as I have followed your career, I am happy you had your day! (And made the most of it!)

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    There is a reason that BYU recruited Lark out of high school and not Nelson. It's just unfortunate that Bronco forgot about that. Anyone who knows anything about football just needs to watch both QB's throw a few passes and it is absolutely clear that Lark has far better mechanics, arm strength and ability to deliver the ball in a crisp and accurate fashion. Watching him yesterday was such a treat, it was like watching BYU of old instead of the frantic, uncontrolled style of play we've had to endure with Riley. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame Riley at all. He came out and did everything he possibly could to try to win games and I would hope to get that from every player. I do however blame Bronco for not putting the best player on the field and giving him a legitimate opportunity. I have no doubt that BYU would have won several more games this year with Lark starting all season and maybe even could have taken us to the special season we were hoping for. Bronco, this is ALL on you!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    steven29

    Ah, how cute, a fan concerned about a declining BYU fanbase. Any proof of that made up statement?

    To calm those concerns please look at the 2013 schedule. Tom Holmoe continues to deliver an ever improving schedule in a very fluid scheduling environment.

    By your 'better get your act together' comment I would guess you are a Ute fan or a very non-informed BYU follower.

    So if your a Ute fan...

    Now that the Ute football fanbase goes empty handed, 9th place and no bowl game, until next year, the BYU fanbase kindly requests a weekly 'empty red chair' report from the HC.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    Hindsight is always 20/20, but every BYU fan will look back on 2012 and wonder what could have been if BYU had better utilized their available talent.

    IMHO, BYU wasted one of the best defenses in BYU history, with a sputtering of offense that failed to take full advantage of a tandem of great receivers and some skilled running backs.

    This team could have easily finished 11-1 or even 12-0 with better decision-making from the coaches.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    One of the great mysteries of the Universe -- why Lark wasn't given an opportunity sooner. Please start him in the Poinsettia Bowl. He deserves it.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    TheNun

    Your season is over; stop your whiny, jealous trolling.

    7-5 + bowl > 5-7 + no bowl

    regardless of how you spin it!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Well, well, well and Bronco chose Riley over James...what a lark!

    Riley is gusty to a fault and Bronco is just at fault. All loses should fit squarely on Bronco's shoulders...starting Riley, coming out flat, etc.

    BYU take your Indepent try on the chin and go join the WAC.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    You're not able to stop the mutants Eagle. If the cougars blow it next year Bronco's position will truly be under fire.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    @TheNun

    How is that rivalry with Colorado working out? Seems like it's right up there with Ohio St. & Michigan with all of the publicity it's getting. Hope you're really enjoying it.

    Regarding BYU, how many times do you see NMSU on future BYU schedules? Nobody but you has ever made any mention of them becoming BYU's rivalry. Do you have any idea who BYU plays on the 4th week of Nov. in 2013? I'll give you a clue. It's a little football program called Notre Dame.

    I also like how you conveniently left out Utah State from the list of BYU's wins this year. A 10 win, conference champion and bowl bound team that Utah lost to. Your BYU obsession and the way you twist facts is pretty funny!

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    Funny, Ute fans trolling and talking smack, even with a losing record. Not really many Ute fans anyway, many are just BYU haters. I respect real Ute fans, not the BYU haters.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    It was relief to see a BYU QB looking hard to throw the ball vs happy feet QB looking to run and make gritty contact at every opportunity.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    2011 "What a great game Riley Nelson had against NMSU!! Just imagine if he were the quarterback all year! We could have gone undefeated!"
    2012 "What a great game James Lark had against NMSU!! Just imagine if he were the quarterback all year! We could have gone undefeated!"
    2013 "What a great game {insert random QB here} had against Hawaii!! Just imagine if he were the quarterback all year! We could have gone undefeated!"

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    I'm happy for James he's had his first start for the Cougars. I'm sure he's as happy as a "Lark", I hope he'll go try his arm out for sumtin' big.

  • jbkhbrmz Saint George, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    It is now apparent what a poor choice Doman and Mendenhall made in relegating James Lark to the bench in favor of an inferior player. The entire team along with the fans had to pay for their poor judgement. Now it's time for them to pay. Either they admit their error and start Lark in the bowl game or they should both be fired.

  • Warren Kay Holladay, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Movie story line. Move over Rudy! So happy for Lark. Well done brother...

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Observation-ist - I couldn't agree with you more!

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Haha Ute trolls jealous that we are bowling and they aren't! December 8 BYU basketball will smack U again too!! Lark played well and Doman needs to go.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    Actually Holmoe and Bronco have it figured out. Schedule 5 games against 5 of the very worst teams in college football (yes, 5 teams on BYU's schedule all frequently appeared on ESPN's bottom 10 this season) to guarantee 5 wins, then you only have to win 1 of your remaining 8 games to become bowl eligible. And they accomplished it---barely. Utah, on the other hand, only had 1 guaranteed win scheduled. So, BYU fans, I wouldn't gloat too much if I were you. Your winning season is hollow. If you had played Utah's schedule, your team would have been 4-8 at best, although 3-9 is more likely.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Only BYU fans would be nuts enough to call to fire a coach that has one of the highest winning percentages of any active coach, who requires his players to have high standards of character, who hasn't a sniff of any NCAA violations. Again, outside the BYU bubble Mendenhall is respected his players referred to as well coached. They play hard for him. It's beyond crazy.

    And even if he was "wrong" about Lark vs Nelson, no coach is perfect in the summary of talent. I mean, I remember Larry Brown admitting his biggest mistake in his coaching career was at UCLA and not figuring out how to use Mark Eaton. But he was still a heckuva coach. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. All I have to say BYU fans is be care what you wish for...

    I find it curious that people are calling for Andy Reid to come in to be the savior when he has his own troubles in Philadelphia and his own quarterback controversies.

    I'm not sure who would be worse, BYU fans or Philadelphia Eagle fans. I'm not sure I would wish BYU fans on Reid.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    SoonerUte:

    Thanks SoonerUte for summing up the attitude of too many of the BYU trolls...

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Nice try Sooner Ute, but Jake Heaps was the qb last year against NMSU. You MIGHT want to check your facts before posting.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    GoRed

    1. Thanks for your advise however you're completely off base. In case you hadn't noticed by all of the comments from BYU fans on here, we're not gloating. We're frustrated and upset that we ended 7-5 losing numerous close and winable games.

    2. Check out BYU's future schedules. Somehow Utes have all managed to conveniently disregard the many statements that playing WAC teams would be a two year fix leading to better long term scheduling.

    3. You have no idea how BYU would have fared playing Utah's schedule but I do know that BYU beat Ut. State and Utah didn't. Certainly BYU would fare at least as well as U have.

    4. Apparently BYU did take some of your advice in it's basketball scheduling since we have Utah on the schedule. It is nice to have one of the worst teams in the country on the schedule for a game where we can let lots of guys get a lot of playing time.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Eagle

    Have to admit I get a kick out of your running commentary in defense of the status quo. Reminds me of the Black Knight calling King Arthur a coward for leaving after Arthur has rendered him limbless. With regard to the status quo, I would simply ask, as Dr. Phil does, "how's that workin' for ya?"

    The fact is and will remain that we'll never know now how things might have been had Doman and Mendenhall not locked in on Nelson as "the guy" regardless of his performance or his health. You choose to focus on the fact that Nelson was also able to beat the weak sisters on the schedule and thereby conclude that it's impossible to judge Doman and Mendenhall's decision-making. I believe what most are suggesting is that there's more to it than that. Lark displayed a skill set that Nelson clearly lacks and it does make one wonder why on earth the man was never given a chance--when it might have counted--to see if that skill set could make a difference. I echo the announcer's comment: "this is BYU's third string QB?

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    Did anyone listen to Bronco in the post game interview? Can anyone restate his response to why Lark didn't get to start all these years? Didn't he say Riley is his starter no matter what and there is a lot more to this story none of us will ever know?

    Sounds like Lark did something that put him in Bronco's dog house. The big question is what did he do?

    I'll bet Jeff Call knows what happened. I'm positive Dick H. knows what happened. Can we get the reporters to tell us what Lark did to upset Bronco so much?

    I hate Riley, that is no secret. But I have a feeling if we really knew why Bronco won't let Lark play we'd all back off Bronco.

    What are your thoughts?

  • manutd San Diego, CA
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    i agree with Troy06. how did lark get shafted all these years? what is the deal? i would like to know what the players think. 80 plus players on the team who have watched both Lark and Nelson practice and play for the past 4 years, you would think they would have a strong preference about who should be the starter. if Lark was better why are the fans the only ones up in arms. despite the disappointing season i haven't heard any complaints from coaches or players about the qb controversy, interestingly.

    maybe nelson is a a better leader, more likable, and lark doesnt get along with his teammates?

    we need some explaining. inquiring fans want to know.

    i also would like to know more about the jake heaps cleaned out locker situation alluded to earlier. what was that all about?

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Let's open Pandora's Box. I don't know which player cleaned out Heaps' locker. But I have my obvious suspicions who was behind it all.

    I personally watched Riley win over his teammates in practice while Heaps was on the field. Lark and Heaps seemed to remain focused on improving during practice and didn't seem to wander far from their circle of friends.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Heaps decided mid-season last year he would transfer. The biggest reason he left was Brandon Doman and because someone turned the team away from him.

    Doman went weeks without speaking to Heaps after he was benched in the USU game. At this point Bronco put his arm around Jake in personal weekly meetings. He tried to get Jake to remain in Provo, but it was too late. Bronco took responsibilty for Jake's transfer stating he mismanaged the situation and wished Jake would have stayed.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    Dick H broke the news last year of how Riley's family mistreated Jake's young wife at the USU game when Heaps was pulled.

    Put the pieces of the puzzle together and draw your own conclusions? No one will ever tell the entire story. Especially regarding Lark.

    Bottom line is Brandon was no support for Heaps when his teammates begged him to transfer. For some reason a majority of the team began to hate Jake.

    That's all for now.

  • thelogicalone salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    Rudy Rudy Rudy Rudy......

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    We'll never know the back stories. We are just fans and couldn't really understand. As long as we buy t-shirts and tickets and brattails, they won't worry any further about us.

    And, if Lark did something unforgivable, he should not be on the team. But he is on the team and never got a chance, until yesterday, to show his stuff in a game. Do coaches really hold grudges against young men?

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Yep they do hold grudges.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    People can say that New Mexico St. is weak and they are, but in his first real start and hardly playing football for the past 6 years I think he was quite impressive. Many of those throws to the receivers were right on, and many the defensive back would have knocked down if not for being thrown where it was. If Riley would have played this game he wouldn't of had the yards to receptions or the touchdowns Lark had, but maybe a few more rushing yards and a couple of interceptions, and possibly a score for the other team. How many games did we lose this year to avg teams because he gave them a touchdown. If anyone would have told me that we would have a top 3 defense, I would've thought we would be ranked high and maybe shooting for a BCS bowl, but instead we lost 5 games. That tells you how pathetic the offense was, both teams a head of BYU in defense had great years. It's beyond me how Bronco doesn't see this especially after the Ute game!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    Ah........this is just too funny........

    I mentioned that maybe someone "have wen(t)" to somewhere and the reply was that they noticed I added the necessary "t" to went, but what they missed was this...

    We have gone......

    never

    We have went.....

    And then the original poster claimed to have minored in English!

    I do admire a degree in Mechanical Engineering. While I was taking Calculus, Physics and Chemistry I noted that others were taking photography, dance and other less mentally taxing courses. And that's OK, too. We all should be well rounded and that includes the arts. I just found "we have went" to be right up there with someone saying "we wuz..." or "I seen..."

    Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. (No offense intendeed, either.)

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    If you (Troy) are insinuating that Lark had something to do with Heaps departure, I SERIOUSLY doubt it. That is not in Lark's character. However, I wouldn't doubt at all that Bronco has some ax to grind with Lark.

    I think the only assessment one can make from this game is that Lark is a better passer than Nelson, and a lot better QB than the coaches thought of him. However, I don't think you can draw the conclusion that he is a better overall QB or better at leading the team to victory than a healthy Nelson without seeing how Lark does against equally tough opponents that Nelson has faced. Sorry. The coaches have not given Lark that opportunity so you really can't make that conclusion.

    I didn't hear Bronco's postgame comments but it's not surprising he would try to quell a QB controversy by declaring his boy the starting QB for the bowl game.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    idablu:

    That's all I have been saying. THANK YOU!

    It is NOT obvious Lark is better than Nelson. He may be. I could be down on Mendenhall for not playing Lark more, especially when Nelson was hurt. But early in the season the backup QB wasn't even Lark, it was Hill. Most everyone seemed content in how Nelson did last year when he took over for Heaps. Not everyone but most everyone. Do I have selective amnesia? Didn't most fans want Nelson over Heaps especially after Utah State? Almost to rabid levels...

    I do feel bad for Heaps and to be consistent in my position, how he was treated by fans last year is total garbage. But Nelson was the backup last year and the one to replace Heaps, Lark was never really in the picture. Then based on spring ball Hill became the backup and most "experts" even agreed that Hill outplayed Lark in the spring and in fall practice. So I'm not sure where all this love for Lark came from. It's mostly as SoonerUte humorously pointed out, the backup QB is always the fan favorite.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    This game underscores how bad the coaching decisions have been for BYU. Lark proved to be the best quarterback we have had in the last three years, possibly longer. While Bronco has been playing inferior quarterbacks who have been either injured half of their career (Riley Nelson) or who did not make good field decisions (Jake Heaps), or were too inexperienced (Tayson Hill) James Lark has been sitting on the bench and being told he was not up to BYU standards. What a total farce this coaching staff has been feeding the public in their pride and mendacity. Doman should be fired and this whole season should be reviewed as to whether we also need a new head coach. If Lark played and was developed over the past two seasons, we would have won the games we lost at Notre Dame, Utah, Boise State, and San Jose State. We would have been 11-1 rather than 7-5. James Lark should start at the Poinsettia Bowl and let Riley Nelson out to pasture. If that doesn't happen, Bronco should be fired.

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    James Lark proved yesterday that Bronco Mendenhall deserves not to have his contract renewed until he proves that he understands what it means to be a head coach and can manage both sides of the game. He will never admit he was wrong, but will say over and over in interviews, "I wouldn't do anything different."

    Let me say what I would have done different than Bronco. I would not have:

    1) alternated Heaps and Nelson every other series three years ago. That showed the intellect of a pee-wee football coach. But, not a very good pee-wee football coach.

    2) played Riley over James. Ever.

    3) moved Taysom Hill into the rotation as the #2 QB. My 2012 rotation would be: Lark, Olsen, Hill, Munns, Nelson. Except Riley really would not have been a QB.

    4) let an organizational behavior consultant become my Dali Lama.

    5) become too enamored with the book, "Talent is Overrated" book because I know that it isn't always true.

    6) decided that being head coach and DC means I can ignore the offensive side of the game.

    ...to mention a few things.

    Tom Holmoe has some tough decisions to make.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    gored

    BYU defeats its cupcakes.
    Utes became one.

    Your tired argument over BYU's schedule is over and using it as an excuse to whine about BYU getting a post season and the Utes not so much is petty.

    According to all the hype for the last three years the Utes were to be in the Rose Bowl last and this year.

    What happened? LOL

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    idablu I agree with you that Lark has or appears to have high character. I'm insinuating that Riley had something to do with Heaps departure. I thought it was pretty obvious due to my lack of respect for Riley.

    I honestly do not know what happened with Lark. Maybe Eagle is accurate in that the other QBs outperformed Lark when it mattered most. But I still believe Lark did something that upset Bronco and or other players/coaches.

    He should have transferred...

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    Bronco needs to go. He has no commitment whatsoever to BYU as a passing team. Bronco says,

    "I believe Riley Nelson earned the chance to be our starting quarterback. And then again, when Riley started to get banged up, I believed we would have more continuity by having the same style of system and similar plays that Taysom [Hill] and Riley could run."

    Where is the commitment to BYU tradition, the passing system, and exciting style of a passing game that has characterized BYU at its finest? Why not find the best QB for the system instead of turning the entire system upside down for a single player? His own words state that is why he chose Taysom ... to find the most gritty athletes and build the team around them. That is flawed thinking and will carry over to next year. GET RID of BRONCO and BRANDON!

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    Re: eagle

    Actually it is obvious that Lark is better than Nelson. Especially a 65% Nelson. Have you been watching the games Nelson has been playing ALL SEASON? Even in the limited back up time that Lark has been he has made smarter decisions, his passes are actually passes not wounded duck lobs, and he is efficient. I know that it's only New Mexico State, but look at the numbers! Lark was 34/50 passing for 384 yards, no interceptions (or fumbles by the way) and 6 TOUCHDOWN PASSES! When is the last time Nelson had 6 touchdown passes in a game? I don't think he's ever had that many! Not only are the 384 yards impressive but that was almost a 70% pass completion percentage. Plus if you watch the film, it was pitch and catch all game. You can't tell me that Nelson is a better QB after watching that game, and the others he's played this year, even against better competition.

    All I can say is, Lark deserves to finish the season, especially since the coaches and Nelson have been mum about how injured Nelson really is. We may as fans be "uneducated," but we're not stupid.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    Can someone please pull the plug on this season. This last game is an example of how players have been mismanaged this entire season. Also, did anyone even know there was a game going on for BYU? I don't know one person who was watching BYU when there were so many key games this last week. These games mean nothing. It is really time that our AD gets this trainwreck back on track and make some tough decisions to bring in new coaching. Is there really another game left?

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    It's funny how all of the Y fans seem to be surprised about such a mediocre season. Your blue chip quarterback transferred and started a transfer from an FCS school. You have an untested OC in Doman. BYU should be happy they had a winning season.

    The worst part is all of the drama was self imposed. Good luck recruiting next year.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    Maybe you don't know how Lark would have done against better competition but take Nelson's game against Idaho and Larks against NMSU and you have a pretty good idea about who the better QB is. I would like to see a wholesale firing of the coaching staff. I don't know who you bring in but I think almost anyone could does as well as the current group.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:12 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    gored

    BYU defeats its cupcakes.
    Utes became one.

    Your tired argument over BYU's schedule is over and using it as an excuse to whine about BYU getting a post season and the Utes not so much is petty.

    According to all the hype for the last three years the Utes were to be in the Rose Bowl last and this year.

    What happened? LOL

    ______________

    Yeah what happened? BYU lost to Utah again.
    And lost to San Jose St. again. They own BYU!
    Get over it.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    To play a QB that is hurt and ineffective over a strong passer like Lark is absurd. Bronco needs to answer up!

  • Keen American Fork, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    I just want to be just like James Lark....come to work every day, don't complain, support the other supervisors and leaders, and who knows, one dy I'll get my chance.

    Thank you James Lark for a great game and your patient attitude!

  • game time ,
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:57 p.m.

    Two years ago Lark was the #2 QB infront of Riley in the spring. The reposrts even went so far to say he looked like he was competing for the startimg spot. At that time there was a three way fight for the starting QB job. The coaches told Lark things look great for him as far as starting or keeping the #2 spot. after the drop dead date came and left Lark was moved to the #3 spot. You fill in the blanks.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    In the Washington State game, Riley's best this year, and certainly more than equal comparison to New Mexico State, Riley's stats:

    25/36 (69.4%)
    285 yrds (7.9 yards/attempt)
    2 TDs / 0 INTs

    James' stats:

    34/50 (68%)
    384 yrds (7.7 yards/attempt)
    6 TDs / 0 INTs

    Please don't mistake my defense of Riley, Brandon and Bronco as an endorsement of the decision to play Riley over Lark. But the decision was made and we all have had to live with it. I do NOT KNOW if the outcome of the season would have been different with Lark at the helm instead of Riley, but I DO know that you CAN'T know the season would have been significantly different. I could just as easily make the case that Lark would have been sidelined with a season-ending injury, then Hill, and Riley would have been the darling of Las Cruces.

    I am simply pleading for civility in the discussion.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    To correct or clarify or whatever:

    I would agree Lark should play over Nelson if Nelson is hurt. And I would even give him the start in the bowl game. But when BYU is playing San Diego State, not New Mexico State, Lark might look a bit more like Nelson, though different. Maybe Nelson's ability to run might be needed against a better defense. I saw the blitz packages San Jose State was throwing at the Y all night and maybe it was good that a more mobile quarterback was playing. That is all I'm saying.

    Maybe I've been construed as anti-Lark, heavens No! In fact, the garbage that Heaps took last year at the hands (fingers) of the BYU fans on the blogs was cruel and speaks poorly of BYU fans. If it was happening to Lark instead of Nelson my position wouldn't change. My point is that these are college players, not pro players, and they should not be castigated on the blogs. I feel discouraged that BYU fans are doing this with Nelson.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    The story is not so complicated. Lark by all accounts (including those of teammates) has been a model of patience and persistent effort, and Mendenhall has no grudge against him. Unlike Nelson, Lark's a quiet, much less demonstrative guy, but well liked by teammates. Doman was infatuated with Heaps' five-star rating, and Heaps was his choice all along, but Mendenhall loved Nelson's aggressive personality and overrode Doman by making Nelson the co-starter, a move which defied all coaching wisdom.

    After Heaps self-destructed and Nelson took the top spot, Lark was told he would be the number two and allowed to compete for the job. Accordingly, Lark ignored opportunities to transfer. He looked very good in fall camp and the DNEWS ran an article about it. Even Mendenhall commented on his play.

    It made no difference for Lark. Mendehall had settled on Nelson, and Lark was never taken seriously. That's really all there is to it. A real mistake on Mendenhall's part in my view, but certainly his choice to make. I think it's virtually certain nelson will get the start in the bowl, unless he's unable to play.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    Another lost season where Cougar fan was left to wonder----what if?

    Sad really.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    fender - thanks for sharing this background. I have a feeling you know what you're talking about.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    Riley who.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    I'm sorry, I just can't respect a player who lies about being hurt and who pretends to care about the team when all he cares about is himself. What's more, the head coach is willing to cover for one guy at the expense of his entire team. The program will be unquestionably better off when he is gone.

  • Southern Fan st. george, ut
    Nov. 26, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    I heard the same thing as game time...lark was lied to until the transfer dead line passed. Then he rarely got a snap and was moved to 3.

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 1:48 a.m.

    My friend, Fender, there is a little more to it than you are saying. Game time eludes to it. James was promised a shot at proving himself, which he was doing, as the attention from the press at the time would attest. Then, as Game Time suggests, on the day he could no longer transfer, he was relegated to bottom dweller again.
    All he wanted to do was to show he could play here or be let loose to play somewhere else. Grudge? Judge for yourself.

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    54-10,

    Left to wonder, sure. Nothing left to wonder about for the Ute's, though. Sad, really?
    No. For you and all my good friends that are crimson fans...just really sad. Really.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Amorphous

    Anything is possible in my experience. Although my sources are pretty good, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you there's no way I could be wrong. Only Mendenhall knows for sure and he's not talking. I will say this about your theory, however. If the coaches deceived James into sticking around, that by itself wouldn't prove a grudge. What that tells me is they were afraid of being thin at the QB position and had purely selfish motives for deceiving him. And it's possible they meant it when they told him he would compete for the job, but just aren't astute enough as judges of QB play to realize he was better than either Heaps or Nelson. I've been saying that for the past three years on here and people have been calling me delusional. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Let's remember Urban Meyer recruited James hard and he's not a bad judge of QB talent. I just don't believe Doman and Mendenhall know what they're doing when it comes to QBs.

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    Fender,
    I can see that you are also from down south and also that you are using necessary discretion regarding your sources. I am as well, my friend, I am as well.
    It is so frustrating not to be able to just yell from the rooftops what you know but it would throw a lot of people under the proverbial bus. Since James has handled his career and his handling by the coaches with such grace, despite what I KNOW happened, I suppose the rest of us need to swallow our frustration, as removed from it all as we are. It just saddens me to no end to have not only watched him in high school but throughout all these years, prepare and preserve himself for this program only to be dealt with so.
    I think it is obvious to anyone who knows the game, let alone the position, that James has enough QB skill and athleticism to hit a combine and play on Sunday. What's that they say about the sweetest revenge? Even if it's not for himself but only for some of us for whom it's reaped!

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Nov. 27, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    Indy Crimson, Thank You! A nice act of kindness goes along way in turning the contentious picking at each other, the Ute backers and Cougar backers into a healthier situation, a more pleasent place to be. Starting with me, I very much want the nasty hate filled diatribes gone. It's possible to get your point accross without attacking each other. A few words made my day.