Bronco, Oh Bronco! Where art thou when needed. Perhaps heading to the minor
It is absolute poetic justice that a spunky little Spartan team from the WAC
with a good passing game outplays & defeats an over-sized, unimaginative
running team from Independence & ESPN world. BYU used to be a spunky &
imaginative little passing team from the WAC, just like SJSU.
As a BYU fan I still love my Cougars and appreciate their best efforts.I think it is clear that, in spite of being beaten by BYU, USU is the best
football team in Utah this year. Go Aggies!
The coaches should have to answer for how long they have stayed with the Riley.
Riley has grit and determination, but he lacks smarts and skills. I cannot wait
for the Riley Neson era to end. Please let Lark start against NMSU,
so I only have to endure one more Riley Nelson game in the Poinsetta.
After seeing a couple years of this, why am I not surprised. No O-line, no
field goal kicking, no pass defense the first half, offensive turnovers and 4th
and out plays by one certain QB who gets to play even when only performing at
65%, etc. We need some CHANGES in our coaching staff and we need to get a few
more wins under our belt. Our schedule is improving....is our team? Are our
coaches? I heard therer was friction in the coaching ranks and it that's
true it explains an awful lot about this year. Mr Holmoe, please straighten it
out asap.(I did like the on-side kick but hated the 4th-and-outs
when we only needed a few yards and couldn't pick them up.)
Bronco isn't going anywhere!As much as I admire the grit of a
particular player, and the loyalty shown him by the brain trust at BYU,
it's time for more loyalty to be shown to the other 60+ players to put in a
QB that can give the team a legitimate chance to win. A player that won't
contribute points to the other team with their untimely play.
After another unworthy outing and loss ... people will blame Riley and call for
new offensive coordinator. Problem is, Bronco has already fired an offensive
coordinator, not to mention defensive coordinator. As they say, insanity is
doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. We need
someone at the top, a head coach, that has a better vision for BYU football, and
who can deliver it. Empty and broken promises for offensive passing greatness of
old don't cut it, year after year after year.
It's official- Riley Nelson has personally been responsible for losing
more games than he has won for BYU. Can't understand the bromance Bronco
and Doman have with him. James Lark deserved better than to be sidelined for
him. Where has the BYU passing game gone? We don't even look like BYU
anymore. Holmoe better insist on some changes in the program or be prepared to
watch the whole thing go down in flames. Bronco is a great DC, not a head coach
because he doesn't have any clue how to help the offense nor does he spend
any time thinking about it.
Riley plays A LOT like Tim Tebow. He throws a bad ball but he has a lot of
heart. The sad thing is a lot of heart doesn't win a lot of ball games.
With his back as bad as it was at the end of the game they knew he couldn't
run. His limited options at that point became a liability. Wish Bronco could
have seen it but no.
Nelson shouldn't be playing. coaches blew it when he played hurt against
Utah and BSU. we would have been shut out by BSU if Nelson kept playing. Nelson
should have been yanked at half time tonight and let Lark play. Let Lark start
against NMS and finish the season as a starter. Again Nelson missed wide open
recievers tonight. Sometimes the coaches can't see the forrest because the
trees are in the way. it takes a player to get hurt to see the ability of the
backups which shouldn't be. the best players should play and we don't
know what Lark can do even after 6 years! He has been patiently waiting give him
a chance in a game situation! IF Nelson was at USU he would not be starting.
The long pass game with Riley cannot stretch the defense to help the run game.
the play calling stinks. I think they believed the hype that the offense was
getting better against a weak team last week.
Two more games and the Riley Nelson era will be over. Hopefully Brandon Doman
will also head for the showers.
Has anyone heard who are the leading candidates to be BYU's offensive
coordinator next year? Or is that being kept under wraps until after the
Not a fan of BYU but feel bad for Nelson. he is not the right guy for QB but his
toughness and grit just isn't enough to win. he looks so beat up and
dejected and the end of each loss.
Riley's QB play is going to cost a coach his job at the end of the season.
I think BYU fans will have a little more understanding of how hard it is for a
team like Notre Dame to put competitive teams on the field. No doubt BYU will
go through the same gyrations trying to build a team that can consistently beat
big program teams. What we have also seen recently playedout is
this is the year of any team can beat any other team on a given saturday.
BYU is a pathetic program. No spunk, no discipline, no athleticism, no clue.
This coaching staff seems to have no idea how to put together a winning season.
How can we be playing our worst football of the year in NOVEMBER??Like many, I am not a fan of Bronco or Doman. But how about Reynolds who has
coached our O-line for decades and still can't open a hole for Jamaal or
protect the QB.
What a mess. Tom Holmoe has two choices:1. Make real
changes to restore BYU as a real scoring threat and powerhouse. (At a
minimum that means a qualified offensive coordinator!)2. Stop
scheduling teams from dominant conferences like the WAC late in the season. There's always the Big Sky!
Oh man, that one had to hurt. Independence! I miss u guys ever since u left the
MWC. Let's see: lost to Utah again, went .500 against Mwc, no chance at
championship after another early season loss, and can avoid a .500 record in the
WAC by thrashing NMSU next week. I'd love to see you back in the Mwc. You
are a great school with a great following. ( I am a lobo fan. And yes, we are so
far behind in football right now we are sporting billy Kilmer helmets. But watch
out for us in hoops. Just too bad we can't look forward to great byu/unm
games at the pit and Marriott center. Happy thanksgiving my friends.
Will we even be bowl eligible this year? I thought for sure we were good enough
to beat San Jose State judging from the beat down they received at the hands of
the Aggies earlier. So what happened, Bronc? Are we even going to be
competitive next year if Ansah and Van Noy are gone? Aaagh, I'm feeling
nauseous at the thought, though I'm still holding out hope that with some
luck, things will turn for the better somehow.And, I never thought I
would say this but I'm also anxious for this Riley Nelson era to end.
It's been a bittersweet season with him to say the least. If only his arm
match his guts and courage! Go Cougars!
"Amazing what a passer can do."Amen. I will not be sad to
see Mr. Nelson go. I appreciate his heart and courage, but it's a far cry
from the glory days of throwing down field. Perhaps it's time
for Bronco and BYU to part company. Recent results do not warrant any long-term
As you may recall, I mentioned that SJSU would play with more emotion than the
Y, and chalk up a win--but no, you Cougars wanted to deride me for making such a
comment. I told you that I was a disinterested third party, and could call this
one more rationally than Cougars. Look, don't hate me because I'm
right. Learn from this, and listen to me in the future. Your life will have far
less disappointment if you do. Oh--and you really, really need a QB. Not a
running back that throws the ball.
Wow! Beat by San Jose St. What to do now?
So BYU plays at WAC level. How the mighty have fallen....
Perhaps the headline should be- Last week BYU wins the 3A championship, this
week it falls short in the 5A- next week the 4A is up for grads- go Cougs
Wasn't that the same team USU beat by 22 at San Jose last month? Just
Note to Mendenhall, if your quarterback is in too much pain to high five a team
mate after a good play you might want to consider taking him out of the game, he
probably isn't playing at 100%, and might just be more of a liability than
a help to your team. Its good for a coach to show loyalty to his players, but
in this case Bronco is loyal to Nelson to a fault, and it cost them a chance at
winning that game.
WOW! Did I call this one a couple of weeks ago. San Jose is a good team (that
almost beat Stanford early in the season -- the same Stanford that beat Oregon
last night) and BYU, having little on the line simply didn't want it as
badly as SJSU. While I believe that the best team always wins (the winner is by
definition the best team) I doubt BYU was as prepared for this game as they
should have been.
Why do I keep waking up at 4AM to watch these games live? I think Bronco has
hit his Peter Principle limit as head coach. Turn it over to someone else.
Stay on and be DC (where he's awesome) but it is time to ditch the
OC-experement-gone-wrong with Brandon Doman, and overall it all. BYU needs to
call Andy Reid in Philly and offer him WHATEVER HE WANTS to come fix this.
Bronco did an excellent job adjusting his defense in the second half. He is not
to blame. This one once again, is Riley's fault. He just makes too many
mistakes and way too many bad throws. I am so done with Riley.
Thanks, Dick, for giving SJSU the credit that team deserves. SJSU came to play
and BYU didn't show up until the second half. SJSU's defense also
deserves a lot of credit. On the BYU side, the decision to stick with Nelson was
nuts. Brandon Doman needs to work on his resume. Mendenhall will make a fine
NFL defensive coordinator somewhere.
Once again, the "Turnover Kid" snatches away the victory. 3 turnovers.
2 fumbles lost and 1 interception. Impotent and unimaginative offense doomed
us. The coaches should have taken the "Turnover Kid" out when he proved
himself once again ineffectual. Our other quarterbacks must be extremely bad if
the coaches felt that Nelson gave us the best shot to win. At full strength,
his arm is mediocre at best. In obvious pain, he is nothing but a liability.
One of the consistent traits of a BYU football team. Giving up when everything
is not as they would like it. We all look forward to watching this happen again
Bronco has lost it.1- Exactly how bad does a QB have to play before Bronco
will bench him? This season the lack of a QB has cost BYU games at Utah, BSU,
Notre Dame, and SJSU. Riley is the worst QB to ever consistently start for
BYU.2- When the opposing QB has all the time in the world to throw due to
a 3 on 5 or 6 blocker rush, how long to you not bring pressure? After 3
TD's apparently. BYU is a pathetic 6-5, will be 7-5 before the
bowl and 7-6 after. A team with a defense and offense under any other QB (take
Hays from Utah, Lark from BYU) and it should be 10-3 at worst. BAD coaching.
This isn't the year for football in the state of Utah, with the exception
of Utah St.Both BYU and Utah need changes.
Fales is what a real passing QB looks like.
Two more games of Nelson to stomach through. This has been painful and you can
see it in all of the receivers eyes. They are not happy having a quarterback
that can't throw the ball. Always behind, low, or nowhere near the
receiver. Terrible. How can Bronco look at the other players in the eye knowing
his decision to play Nelson have them this season.
BYU is now 6-10 all time against San Jose State! LoL. The Spartans
BYU's offense is inconsistent, frustrating, and anemic. And they think
they're entitled to a major conference? They're not proving it on the
After seeing the pathetic seasons that both BYU and Utah have had I just
can't help but wonder what it could have been. I have to believe that BYU,
Utah, TCU, and Boise State league has the inside track to a BCS bowl each year
from the None-AQ in the current format and in the new format they are miles
ahead of any other conferences to get a spot in one of those bowls. Maybe on a
magical year one of those teams makes it into the playoff. I wish everyone would
have just stayed put... Oh well. Sorry about the bad year utes. BYU is going
bowling but after our loss to SJSU last night it doesn't feel like we
deserve to be.
Even after this disappointing loss I still bleed "Cougar Blue". We had
injuries on our offensive line that took a toll, and we had a mediocre QB who
became a bigger liability when he played hurt. Down years will happen, and you
look forward to a better next year.
Everything about BYU's offense is terrible. Poor play calling from the OC.
Just a poor, poor offense from the very start of the season. All you had to do
was look at San Jose and see what an offense should look like and all the other
teams that BYU has played. How can you run a play to the right side time and
time again. Is this the only running play BYU has. The offense is to sterile.
Besides the OC should be up in the press box, not on the side line. On the
other hand I"m not sure it would make any difference. I've lost
interest in BYU anyway, unless they make some major changes.
Does Riley have grit and determination? Yes, but so does 60+ other players on
the team! Do they matter? I loved watching the defense in the second half! They
had SJSU number. Although the first half was atrocious all the way around
(except for the first drive), the second half was a redemption of sorts for the
defense.However I felt bad for the 'D' as well. They had
to have known that once the offense (ie. Riley) got hold of the ball, all of
their efforts were for naught. To stay motivated each series says a lot for the
team.After this game, I wish BYU wasn't bowl eligible. I
don't know if I want to watch another game with Riley as the QB. It's
Chalk up another loss for Riley Nelson. The good news is that we only have two
games left in the Nelson era. The sad news is that I don't know if the
people who put him there have learned anything. BYU has a totally ineffective
offense unless they are playing against really bad defenses. This games was ours
to win and we chose not to.This is sad to watch.
Riley, take yourself out!You cannot tell me Riley is the most
accurate thrower on a campus of 30,000.
Riley is a good kid, but in the long run I'm glad he left us for BYU. You
can keep him. Good luck the rest of the season.
Think its time to reduce funding to the program because it seems that the
program is indifferent to the fans. We fans provide a lot of the funding for
the program; now is the time to reduce funding so we don;t have to pay for
silly black uniforms. I've provided a lot of money to this program. It is
overkill to keep someone playing with pain, expecially, back. It is time to get
away from this Franklin Covey thinking and the word "execute" every week
and the silly excuses. In the real world of work, if one is not performing
he/she will be replaced. If a company asset is not making money, it will be
replaced. Instead of paying to the silver cougar club, just pay the regular
cougar club fee. To the choir, money speaks. In the movie Rudy there is saying
No excuses get the job done; we are not doing it.
The Spartans haven't done this well in a quarter of century. I was amazed
at the offense in the first half. They made some great defensive plays too. I
know people here seem to be really down on Riley, but give the guy his due. He
played his heart out for you.
Look on the bright side, after all your only 13 points away from being 10-1 and
a top 10 team in the hunt for a national title.
Bleed CrimsonSandy, UtahBYU is now 6-10 all time against San Jose
State! LoL. The Spartans OWN you!_____________________Right!LOL!
San Jose State is a good team! The top three teams in the WAC are probably in
the 20-30 rankings. I thought BYU's defense would do better, but Fales
showed some BYU vulnerabilities with the pass defense. Really, if San Jose
State didn't go away from the pass attack as much in the second half, I
think they would have iced the game sooner. I really thought BYU would be able
to sack Fales since USU did 13 times.With Rutgers leaving the Big
East and Connecticut looking like the ACC will pick them up, I am not sure Boise
State and San Diego State will leave the MWC. That would be a good conference.
Maybe they should try and get UTEP and LA Tech away from the C-USA for 14:
Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Nevada, San Jose State, Utah State,
LA Tech, would be a great top half!Meanwhile New Mexico State and
Idaho join BYU in independence next year--let that one soak in a while. BYU
better beg the Big 12 before Florida State and Clemson join, prepare an apology
to the MWC, or enjoy being marooned (independence) forever. Good Luck!
I wonder what this great mystery is behind this endless loyalty to a player who
is not getting the job done, who cannot make basic throws. Behind him are highly
talented and HEALTHY players who also have grit and determination. Most fans
are saying the same things and I agree. One new point: playing a guy with an
injured back is very questionable, putting his health in jeopardy--long term. I
cannot imagine playing football with a back injury. EVEN if he was playing well,
with a back injury he should not be on the field. I have never been more
dissapointed in a coaching staff, they should know better and I hope they turn
it around. Not a single creative offensive play was called. Despite it all I
will see them in Las Cruces.
It's funny that outside the delusional BYU bubble that Bronco Mendenhall is
a very respected head coach.As far as the running game goes. BYU
should have actually RUN THE BALL MORE! Jamaal Williams is the franchise and he
needs the rock. If the Y would have committed more to the running game they
would have wore down the Spartan defense more. I would agree with some of the
fans that Lark deserves a chance to play more and why not against New Mexico
State as the bowl game is secured and no conference title is needed. Then maybe
Nelson can get healthy. And I have to ask BYU fans this as
well...they were all over Anae and wanted him gone. If you have complaints be
careful what you ask for. Anae is at AZ helping that offense become one of the
most prolific in the country. If Y fans were more supportive, less
whiny perhaps this would actually help matters...
Bronco describes his playing career as "over achieving". As a coach He
seems to relate best to the samee typ of players. There is always room for those
type of players, but you also need some super stars, especially at the skill
positions. Maybe overachieving super stars? Bronco needs to grow to the point
where he can relate to, recruit, and motivate the blue chip athletes, and
thereby create a team culture of acceptance and support of those types of
players. As it is now it is easier for overachivers to make the team and play
than it is for the blue chip players to do the same.
I think it is extremely unfair to grade Riley on skill when what he lacks is
health. He will never have it as long as he plays for a coaching staff with a
vendetta against Lark combined with the lack of leadership, guts or whatever
they need to have RIley sit down and get well. None of us will ever know
how it feels to try and play that position, under that kind of pressure, with a
well body, let alone a broken and beaten one.Shame on the coaches!
Eagle - Anae was fired because he undercut Bronco behind his back to the players
and coaches. Brandon just plain stinks at his job. Too bad he's working
80-100 hours a week and still not performing. He'll enjoy his new office
job where he only works 40 hours/week. I wouldn't want Anae or
Doman back on the staff!
I started this season a big Riley fan. Still am. But my support is tempered by
sad realism now. Riley has never been the same since his back injury. Injuries
such as Riley sustained just don't heal in a week or two. With continued
pounding and game abuse, my guess is he's playing in a lot of pain. A
painful back makes every movement hurt and completely changes throwing muscle
dynamics. It shows. Consistently inaccurate and zipless passes and step-slower
running have diminished his effectiveness and hurt the team. I too was ready to
see Lark get a chance in this game. We came so close so many times this season-
Oh what might have been! A young, injury riddled O-line, a hurt QB who
can't throw, too many mental mistakes (how many false starts?),a bright but
inexperienced OC- all add up to a poor offensive year. Shame it matched up with
a year of such great defensive prowess. We can only learn and try to improve
going forward. Go Cougars!- but Oh! What might have been!
Well chris as i recall you also predicted that Utah would beat Arizona by a
score o4 42 -7 but i knew that as soon as you predicted a ute win that they
were doomed,so you actually have no room to talk about a byu loss on a byu
rhread,just stick to what yuou do best predicting wins for your UTES kenjoy
watching them get beat after your predictions.
Troy06:Perhaps Anae did these things in which he is accused but was
this known to the casual BYU fan, probably not. They just wanted him gone
because they didn't like the offense and they want some return to the glory
days which in the ways college football is constituted won't exactly
happen.I am actually a Bronco Mendenhall fan because again too many
of the fans are nut cases and don't realize just how good a coach he has
been--his record would be envious for most programs and considering the
challenges the Y has, he has done well IMO. If Anae was indeed disloyal then
perhaps it was the correct call. But understand all staffs have coaches with
egos, defensive coaches often fight with offensive coaches and visa versa.
Position coaches are territorial. Some head coaches even encourage some of
this as it makes these coaches fight hard for their players and side of the
ball. But there are always dangers in these approaches. Bronco sees himself as
a defensive minded coach first as does Whittingham. And sometimes who they hire
and how they relate and work with offensive coaches is problematic.
Desert hiker, Riley and the coaches said he was completely healthy going into
this game. He said he was healthy a few weeks ago. Other posters on these boards
said his back Likely healed quickly from small stress line fractures. Please
stop blaming Riley's incompetence on injuries. He is simply not a good QB.
That of course doesn't mean he will fail in his professional career, but he
failed in this endeavor. Excuses should not be made. Man up and move on.
At least the Nelson era is coming to an end. It's shocking how poorly he
throws the ball. It's not fair to the rest of the team to have a QB that
can't do the job. The offense has been brutal all year long because
it's in the hands of an incompetent OC and QB. The O-line has also been
bad. It's such a shame to have Cody Hoffman, Ross Apo, Friel, Matthews as
excellent targets to throw to and have no one who can throw the ball.It's too bad but consistent. BYU can beat the Idaho States of world, be
competitive with mediocre teams, and lose consistently to good teams. Next year
with a great schedule, BYU will likely not be bowl eligible. What a waste of a
great defense, something Bronco has done a great job with.
BYU is one player away from having an awesome team. Guess which one.
I'm grateful for Tom, Bronco, Brandon, and Riley.
Riley Nelson Style: Heeeeyyyyyy a turnover! A-a-again yeah, A-a-again yeah!
It is pointless to play an injured QB, no matter how gritty he is. When looking
over Bronco's tenure, this is clearly his worst coaching job. Bronco and
Doman need to own up to it. Lark hasn't shown much, but I hope he is
starting next Saturday. At least give Nelson an extra week to rest if you are
requiring him to play no matter what. The real mistake came
starting Nelson against Utah. If Lark stunk it up in the 1st half, let Nelson
come in the 2nd. You still had a healthy Taysom Hill to run option and split
the time with Lark. Nelson got further battered in that game, making him even
worse for Bosie State. Last year, Utah was the lowest rated team we lost to,
and we were the highest ranked victory for the Utes. This year, we are once
again the Utes best win, and they are once again the lowest rated team we lost
to. Really bad strategy and coaching.
I can't fault Nelson for his toughness and determination. He was obviously
very injured in this game and it once again effected his performance. He just
kept coming back for another beating. I wish the coaches had enough courage to
pull him out for his own safety and for the good of the team. The decision to
allow him to keep playing is on the coaches--not Nelson.
There You Go Again!I'm grateful for them also...
new head coach is needed and bronco should be d-cord and new o-line and offense
coord needed as well. the 2nd most pathetic team in the country...2nd only to
the utes but that isn't anything to really brag about.
@nunya"...the 2nd most pathetic team in the country...2nd only
to the utes..."Hmmmm. Just wondering, how does that work? I seem
to remember Utah beating BYU, and on BYU's own field as well. Can you say
BYU's game next week means little. It's an easy win anyway. Still,
they will have a bowl game. I don't know if the match up will bring any
excitement, but it might. Utah's game against Colorado means little as
well, and after that, the season is done. Yet remember, all BYU has
to do is have a record of 2-6 in the 8 tough games they play each year in
independence because what's left is 4 patsies to even the record at 6-6 and
go bowling. Yes Utah is not going bowling, but they only had one
patsy in Northern Colorado. Now Washington State was weak but BYU also played
them (both won). As for Cougar games that were penciled in wins, Weber State,
Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Big difference there. The PAC
12 is not the SEC or BIG 12 but it beats BYU's schedule despite the tougher
opponents BYU played. Again I say that because of built in wins that send BYU
bowling. Look at BYU's wins. Who did they beat? Washington State, Weber
State, Hawaii, USU, Georgia Tech, and Idaho. Any marquee wins? Best win: USU
(9th inning homerun 6-3 game).
Would like some help from couger fans. Did Lark do something in his career to
put him in the dog house, is there some reason he hasn't transferred or is
he not very good. It just doesn't seem that a coach would use willing to
pile up losses with an injured QB if he had someone who could at least hand off.
Is that Broncos call or Domans call?
BYU deserves all they get for grabbing Nelson after his mission from USU. He
has now lost more games than won and he was such the hero after they ran a real
QB out of town. I love it.
I suppose I'm just one more guy pouring it on Riley, Doman, and Bronco but
the sad fact is they deserve it. Nelson was once again bad, just plain bad.
Turnover after turnover, in the RED ZONE no less, is a recipe for losing. He
will forever be remembered as the qb that snatched defeat from the jaws of
victory.Doman, really? Terrible play calling. Terrible scheme.
Terrible job. Embarrassingly bad. Just plain awful.Bronco you have
allowed your infatuaiton with a bad, bad, college qb to ruin a season that could
have been a good one. Nelson is bad and you are worse. I truly believe that you
take some joy in the losses because you despise the fans so much that seeing us
suffer brings you joy.
Everyone needs to lay of Riley and stop blaming him.. He has more guts and heart
than the other 60 players combined... He should go down as one of the best 5
quarterbacks in BYU history...Have you ever seen such a great
To Dave 22: yes, Colonel George Custer. He played like he was better than the
rest of the team and put them at risk.
This is the sorry state of BYu football until they get rid of Bronco! I am no
longer a fan of this weak team.
I was at the game last night and was sitting 18 rows up on the 48 yard line.
BYU's defense was asleep during the first half allowing 20 points, but
finally woke up during the second half and allowed zero points. The offense were
allowed ample opportunities to score in the Spartsn's red zone, but
couldn't score due to Riley Nelson's inability to throw a football.
Furthermore, he kept on losing his cool every time things didn't go well
and Doman kept on running on the field between plays telling him to calm down.
Also, the BYU team as a whole displayed no sense of urgency on the sideline.
They sat around chatted, laughed, and kicked it on the benches. Whatever
happened to the days when players were expected to stand up with their helmets
on during the whole game and ready to plat whether they were starters or not
(which the Spartan team on the sideline did last night)? The team's
lackluster performance last night and its lack of urgency made my stomach turn.
I miss the Cougars of old when they played with heart.
gdogfinally:I don't think the Cougar faithful expected Utah
State and San Jose State to be difficult games, especially the latter. But the
two programs have two excellent coaches and are on the rise. Utah has a much
tougher schedule granted but the Utes wanted this so it's time to step up.
Otherwise be careful what you wish for...
@ gdog3finallyInteresting that you are fixated on BYU's
schedule and lack of quality wins when they at least beat USU, which Utah did
not. And Utah still has not beaten Colorado, either, so I'd be careful
about throwing rocks when living in a glass house. Utah will take at least 3
and maybe 4 seasons to accumulate 10 Pac12 Conference wins. They already have a
modest 6 wins in two years, two of them coming courtesy of Washington State, who
Utah barely defeated last year. True, BYU has had a bad year, but Utah is
pathetic. Like Arizona, I expect they will go decades and never play in the
Rose Bowl. If you enjoy playing a tougher schedule, win or lose, you should be
very happy because that's what the Utes are doing---playing a tougher
schedule and LOSING! I'd have thought that the competition in the MWC was
more than they could handle, seeing their record from the years they were in
that conference. But we see it's all about money. Good luck next Saturday
in Boulder---you're going to need it.
eastcoastcoug:Weber coaches the OL not Reynolds. During
Lavell's years Reynolds coached the running backs. His sons play OL so
maybe that's where you went awry.
this is like losing to a high school team. BYU football is a joke...a bad joke.
San Jose in all likelihood has the worst defense in division one football year
in and year out.
Interesting enough you NEVER heard comments like this UNTIL Doman took over as
coordinator with his new Crowton style offense or run and boot. Robert Anae
brought BYU back to respectability on offense after Crowton destroyed the team.
Everyone knew that Doman was not ready to be an offensive coordinator and
everyone new little Reily wasn't close to being a starting QB either but
here we are with both. Heaps was doing GREAT under Anae and finished his first
year with a bowl win looking great... and then Doman ruined him. I actually
don't think Bronco is the problem - BYU won't get a better head coach
than Bronco - it is Doman. The guy is out of his league and BYU better do
The U may have a losing record but losing to Arizona is light years away from
losing to lowly San Jose. Maybe the Y should down grade it's schedule to
say maybe... Snow and Dixie? I suspect they could then be the big fish in the
little pond again. Right now they don't even have a pond. At least the U is
in a real conference.
Ah, come on BYU fans, suck it up. You're better than these Ute fans piling
on this story. Lamenting over this game / season will not accomplish a thing.
We're heading to a bowl game. Not much of one but what do we expect with
what the team had to work with?This is absolutely pathetic to come
on to these boards and see so much personal angst over the team, Riley and this
season. Riley will be gone soon enough and while we know the lack of performance
has been a huge lightning rod of criticism it does not deserve the negative
comments that are being thrown out. When Riley does well he does some pretty
good things, and when he doesn't it's no surprise.Just
remember it could all be worse, we could be bitter and jealous Ute fans whose
team has gone absolutely no where in their conference and looks to be that way
for some timeHeck the Utes might even suffer the humiliation of
losing to the Buffs again. Ouch.Cheer up Cougar fans. Much to be
thankful for and basketball season has started!
I went to the South Carolina vs Wofford football game yesterday. USC has young
back that my son calls "NFL Caliber" in Mike Davis. He got a chance to
play yesterday and had a few impressive runs. On his 3rd carry he broke some
tackles and was down near the goal line when he fumbled the ball. He
didn't play another snap the rest of the game. A few games ago their
starter had a rough game. The Head Ball Coach sat him in the 2nd half. The
next game he was back in there. The HBC said that sometimes a little time on
the bench is good for the players. It was obvious for all those watching last
night that Riley was not getting the job done, hurt or not. The coaches have
got to see that and do what it takes to give your team the best chance to win.
@toosmartforyouExcept for TCU, Utah owned the MWC since 2008:20-3 with only loses to TCU (2009 and 2010) and BYU 2009I
know it hurts but the fact is Utah and TCU were more than ready to move up in
competition.Both are struggling but I think both will be able to
compete after a few years of recruiting.
Why did the refs make byu loose again?
sammygSpringville, UTAh, come on BYU fans, suck it up. You're
better than these Ute fans piling on this story. Lamenting over this game /
season will not accomplish a thing. We're heading to a bowl game. Not much
of one but what do we expect with what the team had to work with?Just remember it could all be worse, we could be bitter and jealous Ute fans
whose team has gone absolutely no where in their conference and looks to be that
way for some timeHeck the Utes might even suffer the humiliation of
losing to the Buffs again. Ouch.____________________It
is worse.BYU is now 6-10 all time against San Jose St.Get over it.
I try to be a loyal fan, but when a player is unable to perform because of an
injury, or lack of production, for example Jake Heaps, shouldn't the
coaching staff step up and replace that player? You gotta love Riley's
toughness, desire and leadership but I think James Lark could have played well
enough to get us a win.The play-calling seems to be lacking in
imagination. What to happened to BYU throwing a pass on fourth and one? We try
to jam our 180 lb. running back through a tough defense, not once but twice.
What's really sad is that we have been in every game but one so I think the
talent is there.
Gotta love the weeping of the Duck, SammyG and Jacker. It's going to get a
lot worse next year for the Cougs since it appears they will be playing a half
way decent schedule with the same "lack of talent".Be
Dave22...I have been watching BYU football since 1963. I have never seen a
worse quarterback than Riley Nelson. It is not his fault...he is just not
capable of playing the positon. He has played about 4 seasons. I can't
think of a game he has won at BYU or USU over even an average opponent. I
don't think he would make the team on an average D1 program let alone one
I agree with Mr Harmon. If Riley and Cody hadn't been injured, we would
have won - by a lot.
I never thought I would be this disgusted in the BYU Football Cougars. Nice job
of losing to every team that mattered in 2012.
Riley Nelson was a living "heart attack" on every single play of this
game. I feel for the Cougar Defense who did an outstanding job all year
notwithstanding the Oregon State game.
Sammy, do you honestly BYU would have fared any better than Utah has in the
PAC-12 up to this point? And don't forget that PAC-12 teams
don't lose to SJSU. The Spartans are 35-117-2 all-time against the PAC-12
and have won only 2 out of their past 20 attempts. Both of which were against
Stanford in 2000 and 2006. As you know, Stanford was terrible before 2009. Even
more importantly, PAC-12 schools don't play at SJSU. Only 13 of the 154
games SJSU has played against the PAC have been at home. Lastly, not a single
PAC-12 member has a losing record against the mighty Spartans. Your boys
clearly don't belong.
It is more clear now that our AD needs to completely change the coaching staff
and turn this wreck around. I am taking nothing away from SJSU as they played a
good game. It is time that BYU take a long, hard look at their football program
and move in a different direction. This entire independent experiment was for
money only. It was not about putting a quality program on the field weekly. If
your motivation is money, then simply say it and move on. There is no
"exposure" playing SJSU on the late game on ESPNU. In fact, the stadium
was not even full.
I agree with the masses that Riley shouldn't play next week, but forget
lark, a senior. Lets see what munis can do. At least he will be back next year.
For years there was talk about moving to a bigger, better conference. We and
Utah faced the dilemma of being the big fish in the little pond or the little
fish in the big pond. Now that we have passed from the Mwc to greener
pastures, it would seem that Utah and tcu are in way over their heads and that
BYU is stuck in neutral with independence. None of the three have any serious
prospects of breaking back into the top tier of college football.
It's all about money, right. But, There would have been no bcs
appearances by Utah or tcu if they had been in their current conferences. Same
thing happened to asu and Arizona when they left the WAC.We can only
wonder what a Mwc with Utah, tcu, BYU, BSU, Air Force and San Diego state would
accomplish under the new bowl plan. I think each would have had a better
prospect of success. Provided the two Utah schools sack their rookie OC's
and stop playing games at quarterback.
I will be glad when the Riley era is over. Any fool could have seen that Riley
was playing hurt and should have been taken out of the game. And it
doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that Riley's poor decisions
were costing us the game. Please Bronco, end the romance with Riley and give
Lark the reps in practice so he can move the ball next week. Put Riley on the
sidelines where he belongs with his broken back.
Riley, it's just a game. You're a great young man. Someday you will be
signing a lot of people's pay checks and be a fine husband/father, church
leader, and community leader...all of which are way more important than
football...at any level. Pay no heed to all the insults and negativity. All will
be well with you!!!
oldcougarBest post of the whole weekend!!! I am as big a Ute fan as
you get and I'm having a ball reading all these posts from Y fans. You
would think that you guys are 0-11, byu is doing exactlly what they set out to
do. Winning more than they lose, going to a bowl game (you will never go to a
big bowl game until you belong to a big conference), and the missionary work
This game was a sad state of affairs. Riley just can't win against good
teams. Two interceptions and a fumble plus unimaginative play calling lost this
game. I can't understand why the coaching staff left Riley in the game. The
poor kid couldn't even get up off the ground after being hit. It was
obvious that Nelson was hurt. His passes went too high, too far to the right or
behind receivers all together. The best receiver on the field was the turf. I
will be glad when this season is over and Riley is gone. I hope some of the
coaches go with him.
It's all been said before--in fact by most fans all year! We need 5
changes: (1)A quarterback who can consistently throw accurate long as well as
short passes and not just a gutsy scrambler the coach likes because of his
stamina; (2) an offensive line that can blow holes in the defensive line for our
running backs and protect the quarterback on pass plays;(3) a reliable field
goal kicker that can win the close games;(4) less predictable play calling on
crucial downs; and (5) a passiing defense that consistently plays to win the
whole game--not like they did in the first half of this game and in the Oregon
State game.I love what Bronco has done in building team spirit and
an excellent rushing defense, but the team needs a more experienced offensive
coach who can keep the other team off guard and put points on the board more
@MLHAll of the BYU fans are too busy busting on Utah to support the
Cougs. Sad, but true!
Glad the Nelson era is about over. Recommendations to Holmoe &
Bronco: New offensive line coach is desperately needed. OLine
played poorly even when healthy. Coaching, Coaching, Coaching!
New offensive coordinator - Ty Detmer, want the job? My choice. Need
imagination. How good would Detmer have been with Jamal Williams in the
backfield? Ty, you daughters will be close by if you come to BYU to get us out
of this offensive mess. Hill will be back. Please come an mentor him into the
BYU QB mold. I'll contribute to you compensation package.
Bronco - Play healthy QBs, not those with grit only. Sad to say that grit lost
us at least 4 games this year Doman - because a quarterback like
Riley and Hill can ran, they are quarterbacks and not running backs. Let Jamal
d the running and have your quarterback hand off or throw the ball. Hill has
that ability, Riley doesn't.
Riley = you are tough. You have grit. Hang in there bro! Regroup and come out
strong for the next two games!
is Lark that bad that he doesn't even get a down?
DuckIt's all been said before--in fact by most fans all year!
We need 5 changes: (1)A quarterback who can consistently throw accurate long as
well as short passes and not just a gutsy scrambler the coach likes because of
his stamina; (2) an offensive line that can blow holes in the defensive line for
our running backs and protect the quarterback on pass plays;(3) a reliable field
goal kicker that can win the close games;(4) less predictable play calling on
crucial downs; and (5) a passiing defense that consistently plays to win the
whole game--not like they did in the first half of this game and in the Oregon
State game.I thinkany team in the country would take that including
Oregon and Alabama-I ask you don't you think that every team in America is
trying to do all this stuff not just byu
What happened to all the hype? This was supposed to be a "team for the
ages" that busted the BCS and raised the bar for all future generations.Riley was going to compete for the Heisman and an undefeated season was