On the issue of counting alternative students, how did this work out for Murray.
It moved them up to 5A for a few years where they got crushed. Alternative
students add little or nothing to a school's athletic program, let's
be honest. And many of these alternative schools are near the schools in the
lower socio-economic neighborhoods. Then it pushes these schools, who
let's face this reality, generally have struggled in athletics, up a
classification where they can get crushed in competition.As for
Judge and Juan Diego and other private schools. Some states times their
enrollment by 1.5 or 2.0 which is fair because they draw students from multiple
boundaries. So in this case the UHSAA has this right--Juan Diego and Judge
should compete in the higher 3A (or 3AA) division. For them to compete against
a Carbon, Delta, Juab etc where those schools can only draw from a small
community where these schools have the entire SL Valley and even beyond is not
fairer. Sometimes you have to look beyond enrollment.
I think 3A/3AA is all a joke. So how many playoff teams in the tournament? 8
total? If we're so worried about making 3A feel good, why don't we let
all of 3AA make the playoffs too so they don't get their feelings hurt
This 6 division deal is nonsense, just drop some of those rural 3A teams down to
2A and throw a couple of the smaller 2A teams to 1A. Splitting 3A as noted in
the proposal is ludicrous, are we going to 10 or 12 teams in 3A and 15 teams in
3AA? Really?JD should petition to go to 4A, the only team out of
that regional grouping that would make them break a sweat is Bear River.6 divisions in Utah is about 10 new high schools away... The way our
state produces kids, we would not have to wait long
What they don't tell you in this article is the the UHSAA has already gone
away from some of the rules they just set last time to make this process faster,
more even, and balanced. They said the wanted all the regions to have the same
number of school in them. That was one of the things they made a really big
point about. But if you look at this first draft they have the following.5A - 3 regions with 6 schools, and one with 7.4A - 2 regions with
7 schools, and 2 with 8.3A - 2 regions with 5 schools and 2 with 6.The big point they made about this at the time was to make the brackets
for playoffs balance and even. So how is this going to work under this drams? 2A
is the only classification that currently is show to have 4 even sized regions.
1A is ok because it will never have completely even regions with the number of
small school all over the state.
Based on the rules the UHSAA set up for alignment last time I think the
following fit those rules and works.5A (4 regions with the same
number of schools, and pretty good geographically)Region 1 - Mountain
Crest, Weber, Freemont, Clearfield, Northridge, Syracuse, LaytonRegion 2 -
Davis, Viewmont, West, Granger, Hunter, Taylorsville, CottonwoodRegion 3 -
West Jordan, Copper Hills, Herriman, Hillcrest, Brighton, Jordan, AltaRegion 4 - Bingham, Riverton, Lone Peak, American Fork, Pleasant Grove, Lehi,
West lake4ARegion 5 - Sky View, Logan, Box Elder, Ben Lomond,
Ogden, Bonniville, RoyRegion 6 - Bountiful, Woods Cross, East, Highland,
Cyprus, Skyline, OlympusRegion 7 - Murray, Kearns, Corner Canyon, Wasatch,
Timpanogos, Mountain View, OremRegion 8 - Timpview, Provo, Springville,
Spanish Fork, Maple Mountain, Payson, Salam Hills3A (couldn't
find any way to have 4 even regions with the geography of these schools, but
balanced)Region 9 - Bear River, Morgan, Grantsville, Stansbury, TooeleRegion 10 - Judge memorial, Juan Deigo, Park City, Union, UintahRegion
11 - Carbon, Juab, North Sanpete, Manti, Delta, Emery, RichfieldRegion 12
- Canyon View, Cedar City, Hurrican, Snow Canyon, Pine View, Dixie, Desert
3A & 3B (football only)3ARegion 3A NorthBear
River, Stansbury, Tooele, Judge Memorial, Juan Deigo, Park City, UintahRegion 3A SouthCanyon View, Cedar City, Hurrican, Snow Canyon, Pine
View, Dixie, Desert Hills3BRegion 3B NorthMorgan,
Grantsville, Union, Juab, CarbonRegion 3B SouthDelta, North
Sanpete, Manti, Emery, RichfieldAnother key issue the UHSAA says
they look for is the ratio of the schools in each clasificationsBelow is what hey currently have vs my list above.5AThem -
1.52Mine - 1.54My region ratiosRegion 1 - 1.23Region 2 - 1.46Region 3 - 1.54Region 4 - 1.434AThem - 1.40Mine - 1.41My region ratiosRegion 5 -
1.41Region 6 - 1.22Region 7 - 1.28Region 8 - 1.253A (all sports)Them - 2.40Mine - 2.76Region 9 -
2.07Region 10 - 2.12Region 11 - 1.56Region 12 - 1.543A (football)Them - 1.89Mine - 1.583B (football)Them - 1.69Mine - 1.56The only one mine is higher is the 3A
(all sports), but much lower within each region. Lots are lower then the UHSAA
"Region 9 representative Craig Seegmiller pointed out that Cedar and Canyon
View had hoped to move into a different region for football than the rest of the
St. George-area schools so they could better compete."I teach at
Cedar High School and I have no idea who Craig Seegmiller is but I do know that
our Football coaches have never once complained about competing with the St.
George Schools. I would like to ask Mr. Seegmiller who from Cedar High he has
talked to about us not being able to compete. Our football program had one down
year in the last ten and all of the sudden this guy says we can't compete?
Unbelievable, so much for having a representative from region 9 (St. George)
that even cares about all of the schools in the region.
ALA and summit academy would also compete in the smaller 3A in football. As far
as the Alighnment goes and the first person that commented, i think adding the
ALC count was a very good idea at least for smaller schools 3A and lower. For
example Richfield was playing in 2A the last 2 years becaus ethey were throwing
kids into that school that did not have to be counted for enrollment and now
that they are counted they are bigger than Delta Juab and North Sanpete. now
that Manti counts there's also they are bigger than Delta to. It's
not fair that those small schools could put kids into those High Schools and not
have them counted so the couldplay down a classification when other schools like
emery, Delta, North Sanpete, and juab do not have that option but are all around
the same size.
I also feel that the six classes for football is a good thing. The people
opposed to it have never been a rural town when the other schools are twice the
size of you, if you where in those shoes you would think differently. I am
certain you will not hear any complaints from 2A and 3A schools involved with
this. This has no impact on 5A and 4A so I do not know why you would even argue
it. Not everything revolves around those two classifications.
3A in football is so watered down this year...and that's coming from a
Grantsville athlete. How many schools are gonna be in the playoffs, there would
be no first round, which i think is really stupid. Happy now Juab, Delta, and
NS? Championships won't mean much anymore. Grantsville, Morgan, and Judge
would be the most legit contenders in the 3A state, and they're all in the
same region. 3A north is stacked compared to the south...
I am a Cedar High fan. In football we took 2nd in Region 9 last year and 1st
the year before. We can definatley play with and beat St George schools and
love to do it. Leave Region 9 alone. We dont want to travel to North Sanpete to
play basketball. We want region 9 schools. Leave us were we are.
I did find it hard to believe that the cedar city area schools would not want to
be in a region with st George schools, seems silly, but it sounds like some
folks from that area are thinking what I'm thinkingThey are
about to make a mess of 3AAgain if some of the more rural and small
3A schools need to go to 2A, then let them, but don't turn 3A into a
confusing nether world for football
1A football has the same issue as the watered down 3a and 2A. There are really
only 5 teams in the 8 1A teams that will put over 20 kids in pads on a year to
year basis. Bring the 4-6 lower 2A down to 1A, bring the lower 4-6 or 8 3A down
to 2A, Move the lower 2-4 4A down to 3A, and make 3A a single division. The
numbers make just as much sense as the proposed alignment, and make each
category, especially the smaller ones, a more competitive division.
Just my opinion:You might want to check out your regions, I
can't find Wasatch
@ FB Fan #2- Manti, Delta, and Juab make that south region just as
"legit" as the north. Manti and Morgan will probably be pre-ranked as
the #1 and #2 teams.
Scrappy Do has the best comment of all above. Why can't Delta, Emery, North
Sanpete, Manti, etc just go to 2A and have the smaller 2A schools move to 1A in
football? Schools like Manti or Delta shouldn't be classified with St
George schools or schools like Spanish Fork. Completely different schools, no
matter what their size is.
I agree with everyone who would like to see the smaller 3 a schools go to 2a and
smaller 2a go to 1a. The only idea that makes sense to me.
MC isn't mentioned in the article. They are a 4A school and 4A is where
they will stay. If MC moves to 5A then I think SV should also move. But
it's not an issue since MC wasn't mentioned in the article.
Once again the UHSSA demonstrates their ineptitude. Brad Smith is exactly right
in this article. The BOT fails every time they realign schools to take into
consideration the demographic makeups of the high schools. Student population
should only be one consideration. Do they ever consider that a school with a
similar population base to another school may be nowhere near as competitive in
a major sport like football because of deficient family support, comparable
family income, graduation rates etc? Inner city high schools are disadvantaged
because the vast majority of the students can't afford to participate in
sports. Their too busy helping to put food on the table of their families. Including the population base of alternative high schools only puts already
troubled schools at a greater competitive disadvantage.
It is pretty simple fix if they woul do it.Take the total number of
schools and divide it by 5 or 6.Then split it accordingly. Take all the
politics out of it.The ratios are a joke! Ratios should really only matter
for small schools but the only thing we care about is football. Ratios
should work from the bottom up not the top down.But because of the
politics we don't have equal numbers of teams in each classifications and
equal regions.1A gets the shaft every year. We are the remainder and they
set 1A up so Duchesne is always in 1A even if 2A has 20 teams and 1A has 36 -
look at last realignment. It's all political not what's best for kids.
It's whats best for select few who have a powerful voice.
Too bad for Wasatch. If Wasatch County would have let Park City annex the area
north of the Jordanelle, the area with the low income housing, then PC would
have had those extra 75 kids and not Wasatch. The kicker of it is, there is not
ONE athlete in that area as I have been told. So you get to pay for a 20 mile
bus ride twice a day and you get your numbers bumped up to have to play 4A, and
you don't even get an athlete to help out. Also building the new 200 unit
low income housing in the north end of town you got movers from PC to Heber.
Most likely with the same results. Increased numbers, no athletes. I know
it's not all about athletics, but for the sake of this article, it is.I'm guessing that between these 2 projects and the new one near the
Walmart, that you have increased your high school numbers by at least 150, and
won't get one member on any of the big 3 boys sports. But maybe you will
get a soccer player.
wow, what a cluster. I am usually one to side with the uhsaa cause i understand
what a hard job they got. Have to admit though, that they make it harder and
harder to defend. They need to realize that no matter how many divisions they
make, it is impossible to please everyone and need to just take a stand and
stick with it knowing its gonna piss some people off. Two 3a divisions really? i
agree with the posts above to move the bottom 2a schools down to 1a and a few of
the smaller 3a to 2a and be done with it. As it is now 1a is a joke in football.
there's really only 3 teams that will ever compete. duchesne, rich, and
monticello is pretty much it. sure teams like altamont or diamond ranch will be
ok once in a great while but its not very competitive at all.
@joseywales- Actually, that area was never the area being considered for
annexation, at least, not that I'm aware of. However, Wasatch did benefit
from a soccer player from that area, and I think you are right about the
athletes from the "big 3" I'm assuming you mean Football,
Basketball and Wrestling right? I'm sure you mean baseball, but Wasatch
will never be competitive in baseball, so we prefer to refer to Wrestling as one
of our main sports. Anyway, I'm sure other schools have these same problems
with high ESL numbers but gaining few athletes in those sports mentioned. At
least I think that is what you were alluding to. 4A will be a very big challenge
for sure, especially in football, but I know the kids are excited about it and
are up for the challenge.
To have Canyon View in Region 9 is absolutely a joke! All regions will be based
solely on the almighty dollar!! Craig Seegmiller is an absolute joke! Same guy
who voted for East to remain in the playoffs. Cedar does just fine in Region 9.
eagleTry Region 7 in 4A.I know some don't think the
UHSAA shouldn't go just by numbers, but at the same time they say they
should take all politics out of it. You can't have it both ways. So I lean
towards just the numbers and then the schools and districts can work to fix
there own numbers if they don't like it.I've gone solely
by the numbers, and then went North to South to make the regions. This seems to
have worked pretty good (of course not everyone will like it), but as long as
they did it this way every year everyone would know what to expect and could
probably live with it knowing it could change with the numbers every two years.
Miner, there are a few problems with your idea. The big one is that most
small schools don't play football, so you would end up with more teams in
each classification, which penalizes the smaller schools even more. The second
is that if you just divide by numbers, you lose some great rivalries and create
some travel issues that many SLC schools want to avoid.
Where the UHSAA fails is trying to please everyone. No matter how they slice
things up someone is going to cry unfair. To all of you who have the
"answer" I say be careful what you wish for. The only way I see the
UHSAA ever making things as close to even(which they shouldn't worry about)
is to use system based on percentage bigger/smaller rather than just enrollment
numbers. This would help lessen the discrepancies between the bottom schools in
a classification to the top schools. For instance instead of saying 3A will be
600 to 1200 students you would have 3A be +1 above the 2A and a maximum of 67%
above that number. This would eliminate schools being even close to twice other
schools within the same classification. Still there would be watered down
competition in some classifications and people who's schools still
aren't winning will want things changed.
The UHSAA messed up the last realignment when they moved 3A Manti, Emery, &
Richfield back to 2A. All they needed to do on the last realignment was to move
the bigger 3A schools into 4A by lowering the 4A lower level. Then all of the
St.George area schools & Cedar City area schools would all be 4A and in the