The Utes are guaranteed to have their second losing Pac10 conference record in
two...it is a new world and U will just need to get used to it.
My comment that the Utes would need 3 seasons to accumulate 10 PAC 12 Conference
victories certainly has credibility. If they lose the last two this year they
may need 4 seasons to accomplish that. Best of luck, Utes, looking up from near
the bottom. (But then the Arizona schools did that for decades....why
I'm not worried.I'm frustrated we weren't ready to
play the last 2 years, but why do I know Whittingham will take us to the top of
the country?Because he's already taken us there. Aggies and Cougars, Please remind me the last time you went
undefeated, finished #2 or higher in the country, and won a BCS game?Oh I'm sorry you haven't been there. At least not in the past 30
years.Our coach has.And he'll take us there again
"Winning 10 games like clockwork in the Mountain West, I mean, that was then
and this is now."Sorry coach, but when have the Utes ever won 10
games like clockwork in any conference they've ever been in - WAC, MWC, or
PAC???You've obviously confused winning 10 games like clockwork
with your former team down south.10+ Win SeasonsBronco 5,
including FOUR in a row 2006 to 2009Kyle 310+ Win Seasons All
TimeBYU 16, including SIX in seven years 1979 to 1985Utah 6It is a new world for the Utes and the new normal for Utah is 6-6 PAC 12
bottom dweller.Sorry if the truth hurts.Go Wildcats!
I think a lot of 7-5, 6-6, 5-7 seasons are in the works. Maybe 8-4 on a good
year. It is the new reality...
Utah has a top 20 SOS this year and next year it will be worse with games at
Oregon, Stanford, and USC. No team in the state has ever had such a schedule.
With BJ still learning I think we will continue to struggle for the next few
years. Hey, at least BYU fans have something to cheer for since they
can't beat us themselves.Go UTES!!
@ Queen B.Paranoid much? I didn't see any Cougars or Aggies
commenting on the article, but the first thing you do is start slinging mud at
both. And actually you have it wrong. Coach Whittingham didn't take your
team there. He first rode Urban Meyer's coattails there, and then Gary
Anderson's. Coach Anderson was the real reason that the Utes had any
success after Urban left.Look at what Utah has done since he left,
and look at what Utah State has done. It is obvious who the coaching genious on
the hill was. I am not an Aggie fan, but the results speak for themselves.
Can't believe the spinning of ute fans. They don't and never will
have a winning program. Period! The PAC is a mountain they can't climb,
and yes, Gary Anderson was their coaching genius.The utes
couldn't win the WAC, let alone the PAC.
I'm not concerned about the season, I've always felt that it was going
to take the Utes 3 or 4 years to learn how to compete with the "Big
Boys." I miss coach Andersen, but I say give Kyle at least two more years
before complaining.In the mean time, my Utes will just have to
console themselves with the "bigger cut" of pie they will soon be
receiving from the PAC-12 conference.Utah made the right choice by
joining the PAC-12 conference of that I have no doubts.
Hi Uteology,Where on earth did you come up with your "Top 20
SOS" figure? I just checked several of the major ranking services,
including RealTimeRPI, and Utah's SOS is between 49 and 65 in each of
them.This suggests a mediocre SOS at best.
People are saying "the truth hurts" for the Utes, but often overlook the
truth of the matter for other teams. That's how is goes when little
brothers want to compare themselves to big brother.Here's the
truth, the Utes are not good enough, yet, to compete at the pac12 level. They
are a year, perhaps two, away from having the depth needed on their roster to be
consistently competitive in this league. However, they will get there.Here's some other truths, playing 6 teams with losing records each year,
and proclaiming your win-loss record is meaningful, is laughable. It is also
fool hardy to believe playing a schedule like that will make your team better in
the long run. Needing only to "get up" for 4 games per year, and then
losing all of them, is not a recipe for national credibility, even if the games
are on espn.As for the other team, playing in the wac and mwc, is just
that, playing in the wac and mwc. No matter if either team goes undefeated, the
weak SOS will not get them into a "BCS" bowl or other big time games at
They are bad. The haven't beaten a good team in years.
@UteologyYou are spot on, there's a certain fan base that is
more concerned with Utah's demise, then their own teams play. Sad when you
think about it.@Hawkeye79Google Sagarin Rankings; per
the USA Today. Utah's schedule is currently ranked #11. As far
as the season goes, it has been very dissapointing. Utah State, UCLA and Oregon
State were win-able games. Utah needs to get a better QB. Brian Johnson has done
OK in his first season. Players need to execute and make plays. Until that
happens, Utah will not beat the better teams in the PAC 12.
Oregon State had 20+ years of losing seasons before Riley turned them around.Just Sayin'
If the utes had gone independent, they would be financially drowning. They
depended on BYU TV revenue during the WAC, and MWC years, and now the PAC.Without entitlements, their sports program would foreclosed, and Chris B
would be a Weber State fan.
"Winning 10 games like clockwork in the Mountain West, I mean, that was then
and this is now.” said whittingham.I hate to be the guy that
points this out but that just wasn't the case for utah in the MWC. In
utah's years in the mwc they had 5 seasons with 10 wins and 7 seasons with
less than 10 wins. Less than half of the time is not exactly "like
clockwork" In fact whittingham's mwc years weren't eactly
"winning 10 games like clockwork" either. He had 3 10 win seasons and 3
with less than 10 wins. I do like the attempt at trying to make utah into
something it has never been but unfortunately there are just to many of us that
@ChrisB, why do you have to drag BYU and USU into every comment you make?Utah has run into a tough stretch and it's going to be more than 2
years to get out of it. The biggest problem they'll have is on offense,
with no decent QB they'll need time to groom one, which will take time.
They'll get better but I doubt they'll ever be able to recruit well
enough to compete consistently against the big boys of the PAC
It's laughable that my fellow Utah fans are so touchy about BYU fans simply
stating the obvious. Utah fans were bragging only 3 months ago
during fall camp in August, that the Utes were already good enough to challenge
USC for the PAC south, THIS SEASON. Now that we've fallen on
our faces, again, and have proven that we're not even close to being
competitive with the big boys of the conference, our feable attempts at
revisionist history are embarrassing.The PAC 12 is a
quarterback-driven league and Whittingham has been a miserable failure at
recruiting good quarterbacks. How else do you explain having to rely on a D-II
transfer in our first two seasons in the league?It's nice to
rub shoulders with the big boys, but it's no shame to admit that we're
in over our heads and will never be anything more than a middle of the PAC team,
even in our best years.
Utah's struggles in the PAC12 and TCU's struggles in the Big 12 have
moved Cougar fans to finally accept independence. Last year, there were cries
of "we need to be in a conference". Now, Tom Holmoe looks like a genius
for realizing early on that BYU couldn't handle life in a BCS conference.
Nun"Needing only to "get up" for 4 games per year, and
then losing all of them, is not a recipe for national credibility, even if the
games are on ESPN."Sorry to burst your delusional crimson
bubble, but BYU is gaining plenty of national credibility, as are other teams
who are playing well, even in losing efforts, against good competition. You can
pretend that there's no such thing as a moral victory, but the truth is,
sportswriters, coaches and fans across the country notice when a team like BYU
takes the #3-ranked Fighting Irish to the wire on their home field.Despite the obvious weaklings on their schedule, BYU has shown that they can
compete with the big boys, and the national rankings reflect the respect
garnered from that competitiveness.Sagarin:#24 Utah
State#25 BYU#33 San Jose State#38 Utah
@sooneruteIf BYU had an invitation to a BCS conference, other than
the big east, you might have a point. But since they have not been invited to
any bcs conference, except the big east, then your "point" is moot. For the record I think BYU would probably be doing fairly comparable to
what utah is doing if BYU was in the pac12, and maybe even worse if they were in
the big12 which is a better conference than the pac12. They would probably be
struggling to maintain .500, beating the weak teams, losing to the good teams,
and flipping a coin with the middle teams. Sound familiar?That said
I am now, and have always been, in favor of BYU maintaining independence.
I've wanted it for two decades and since BYU has finally taken that step I
much prefer that they stay there, at least for several years, even if one of
those conferences did come calling. That probably puts me in the minority of BYU
fans but that is what I want and like. And yes BYU's future schedules are
shaping up to be plenty comparable to utah's pac12 schedules. Both teams
need to win.
A lot of negative comments coming from non-Utah fans. They are just so happy to
see Utah struggle the first 2 years in the PAC12. Utah doesn't have a good
QB. Everyone banked on Jwynn coming back strong. That failed and Utah had to
pick up the pieces from there.Wilson is the future. He's been
able to get valuable experience this year that will pay off next year. Utah
can't expect to win without a talented QB. Right now Utah has 2 QB's
committed that will help this cause.Even with a 4-6 record I am
still excited about the game on Saturday. Every week is a good opponent.
I'll gladly take Utah struggling in the PAC12 than being stuck in the MWC
SoonerUteStop projecting.The fact that U can't
handle life in a power conference doesn't prove anything about BYU's
ability to be competitive in a power conference.U were never
competitive in the WAC and only marginally better in the MWC.WAC
Conference TitlesBYU 19Utah 2MWC Conference TitlesBronco 2Kyle 1Just like he never lost to Colorado State, New
Mexico, Wyoming and New Mexico, Bronco wouldn't have lost to Colorado last
@wookieWhat did I say that was not the truth? Attempting to
exagerate utah's past does not lend credibility to anything whittingham is
saying. You may not like the truth, obviously you do not as you called the truth
"contentious", but it is still the TRUTH. Trying to pretend you are
something you are not, and never have been, is going to elicit repsonses setting
the record straight. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings to know the truth.As far as your personal shot at me? Well I couldn't care less.
@RValensEnjoy your "bigger cut" of pie, it still
doesn't win games. If it is about getting more money, then the Utes are the
big winners. The problem is, most fans don't care about the balace in the
checking account. They care about the W's. You can build a nice new
stadium, but if you don't win games, you new house will be pretty empty.By the way, how is that big pie working out for the basketball team, and
other sports? The Utes were right where they belonged - an occasional contender
in a rising midlevel conference. Those years in the MWC will be looked back on
fondly as the "glory years" of Ute athletics. They should have tried to
make them last as long as they could.Dr. Hill, You let the wrong
coach leave. You should have kept Anderson.
@ Duckhunter. There is no personal shot at you my friend, as you
clearly denote, the truth is hard for some to hear. I have no problem
understanding and agreeing with some of your salient points as they pertain the
the Utes inability to compete, but your contention, that is not welcome or
wanted on here. As I've said previously, you do not represent the Y or its
faith, thus I wonder what you do represent other than anger and contention. I appreciated your honest assessment of both the Y and U in their
respective conferences, as the U is clearly struggling. As for the Y, well that
is an unknown, but given their lack of credibility with an OC (similar to the
U), we are in similar situations. Duckhunter, I only ask that you
stop trolling and spreading your contention. There is no need. Honestly and
truth are not what you sow on here. Go Utes!!
Spokane UteWhether you use Sagarin or RealTimeRPI, the obvious
conclusion is WINNING is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, than SOS. You can whine and make
excuses for losing, but bottom line, NOBODY cares how difficult your SOS is if
you don't WIN!Sagarin#24 USU - SOS #83#25 BYU - SOS
#51#38 Utah - SOS #11RealTimeRPI#29 USU - SOS #182#51 BYU - SOS #130#79 Utah - SOS #49---------On
a related topic, I find it interesting the Florida State's new
head coach would rather see the computer rankings completely eliminated and
return to the pre-BCS system of having the human polls decide the national
champion. It's obvious that the computers are programmed with a built-in
bias for certain conferences - looking at you SEC.
LonestarYou can pretend that there's no such thing as a moral
victory, but the truth is, sportswriters, coaches and fans across the country
notice when a team like BYU takes the #3-ranked Fighting Irish to the wire on
their home field.Typical byu fanUfanThink it
might be time for you to change to blue-byu has beat'n Weber State,
Washington State, Hawaii, Georgia Tech, Idaho, Utah State---WOW switch on over
they need you more than we do.Sooner UteThese byu
homers, and Ute haters pop off and have no idea what it is like to be in a top 5
conference. Just for pits and giggles it sure would be fun to see them play a
BIG12, PAC12, BIG10 schedule and see what they have to say about that. They
played 4 tough teams this year and lost to all 4. But then again these coug
fans get to see the likes of Hawaii, and Idaho oooooooo just makes me shiver.
NO comparison cougar fans and remember BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH, so use
all those other teams to get your points across.Love being in the
PAC12, frustrating but so much fun
@ PAC manI don't recall whining or making excuses for
Utah's season, just pointed out where there strength of schedule was rated
#11. Of course I would rather have more wins, than a highly ranked schedule.
Actually, I would prefer a combination of both. Considering who Utah has played,
I would be pleased if Utah was 8-4 or 9-3. They just haven't executed;
which has let three very win-able games: Utah State, Oregon State and UCLA slip
away. And yes, the computer rankings are all over the place. The RPI rankings
seem very odd to me. Take for instance Washington. They are ranked #37, yet #25
per BCS. The RPI has Kentucky playing a tougher schedule. As I compare the RPI
to Saragin, Saragin looks more accurate; at least to me.
When the Pac-12 move possibility was first announced, I really didn't think
this Pac-12 thing was going to work out for Utah. Time is proving me right. The
only non- California team to have consistant success has been Oregon and they
have Phil Knight pouring millions into the program.Arizona and
Arizona State joined the Pac-10 in 1978. Since then ASU has been to the Rose
Bowl just twice and UA not at all. At best you can hope to be an OSU, Cal or UW
caliber program and get to 9-3 once every four or five years. Over the next
decade you can expect a 7-5 average team.Mark it down ChrisB.
PAC manNOBODY cares how difficult your SOS is if you don't
WIN!You must or why would you be looking up all these numbers, these
numbers are for true computer geeks like yourself. A computer doesn't need
to tell me that UCLA is better than Hawaii, that USC is better than Utah State,
that Oregon State is better than Weber, and so on. I will totally agree with
you that winning is so much more important but you always make it sound that the
y is winning at the same level.Both sides need to step back and take
a deep breath, niether team is that good right now. But my Utes are in a
"different world" and the majority of us Utah fans don't like the
loosing but we do understand it. It's going to take awhile, I'm old
enough to remember when all a team had to do is walk on the field and they beat
Oreagon.And you Utah State fans 1 good season in 30 years, SO WHAT.
One win over Utah in 20 years, SO WHAT. Come back down to earth.
Wonder when Jake Murphy is going to realize the mistake he made in going to
uteville rather than a winning, dominant program in Provo? No, I
don't wish the Utes good luck. Go Sun Devils!! Go Wildcats!I
hope they have a losing season every year. After all, the best days in the Fall
season is when BYU wins and the Utes lose.
The fact that Utah is a bottom level PAC 12 team hasn't changed their
philosophy in recruiting. They still think they can force kids to commit by
giving them ultimatum's and telling them they'll pull their
scholarship offer if they don't commit in a week.They lost the best
receiver in the state to UCLA by doing this, they need to look up and see they
aren't as great a destination for recruits as they seem to think they are.
I could have been more sympathetic to Utah's plight if so many Ute fans had
not been are still are so arrogant. It's great that you got invited to the
PAC but any reasonable person knew that there would be growing pains. The
childishness of many of your fans pleases many that you are getting your
comeuppance in such a big and universal way.You may never be more
than a Wassu, buff or UA in that league. Your current trend is not encouraging.
Duckhunter,I applaud you for your 9:25 a.m. post. I believe your
assessment of Utah's and BYU's current situations is accurate. And
while I believe that conference membership is a better option, I repect that you
have been consistent in favoring independence for BYU.-----------------Any Utah fan that thought that the move to the
Pac-12 wouldn't be difficult for the Utes just hasn't been paying
attention, or underappreciated how much more talented/athletic/well coached/well
prepared the Pac 10 schools were than the MWC/WAC teams. Unbiased
media/experts/fans and computer algorthims have suggested that forever, but many
of us convinced ourselves and others that their claims were founded only on bias
and tradition. The objective evidence says they were closer to right than many
of us were.Projecting how Utah will fare long term in the Pac-12 by
how they do in their first two years in the conference isn't a good idea.
Evaluating how comptetitive Utah is in year 5 will likely have more meaning. I
have said that in these comments before, but I have to admit, I thought Utah
would win more games this year....
Granted, Utah received an instant SOS improvedment by joining the PAC-10.But, even you die-hard BYU haters have to admit that BYU's future
independent schedules will propel them into BCS (or successor) credibility.
With five BCS opponents this year (Notre Dame, Utah, Oregon State, Georgia Tech,
and Washington State) and another six-seven and more in the next several seasons
to include Texas, Notre Dame, Boise State, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Utah,
Wisconsin, and Houston in 2013, you can not even begin to argue that this is not
the equal or greater of Utah's PAC-10 schedule in 2013.Even in
their BCS hey-days, Boise State, Utah, and TCU never played more that one or two
BCS regular season opponents at most.Just as it is taking Utah a
couple of years to adjust, it is taking BYU that long as well to improve it
talent and competitive level of play.Personally hope both the Utes
and the Cougs soon evolve into regular power houses and perennial Top 20
MLHTwo great seasons does not a great program make.andOne game does not a season make. Too many Utah fans assumed that
with the fortunate circumstances that made the Utes the first "bcs
busters" in 2004, their perfect storm season of 2008, and their PAC 12
invite, that Utah had achieved greatness and was now an elite program.Utah fans boasted that the Utes were going to be one of the best teams in the
PAC 12 and that regular conference championships, Rose Bowl appearances, and
national championship run were just ahead.Unfortunately for U,
simply being invited to associate with great teams does not make you great, as
any perennial power conference bottom dweller will tell you.Now that
their arrogance has been proven to be nothing but a bunch of hot air, Utah fans
are lashing out at BYU fans for simply reminding the Utes of what many BYU fans
were predicting would happen before Utah had ever played a game in their new
conference.Instead of the petty jealousy that many Utah fans
characterized those predictions to be, they're now proving to be a bitter
dose of reality for the crimson glasses wearers.
Reasonable question for reasonable Utah fans (and they are there, despite some
of the Ute and Cougar KOOKs):It wasn't too long ago that
getting a ticket for a BYU-Utah game was not hard...other games very easy. Many
empty seats at RES. Right now the MU...sorry, don't recall the acronym for
the very vocal student section (kudos) is strong. Are you concerned
that should you have a few more consecutive years of not going to a bowl game
that the numbers will return to less than 40k? At least BYU had built up a loyal
fan base for a couple of Lavell decades that not even the Crowton debacles
diminished the crowds to less than 56k. And even a lousy night came against
Idaho still drew a decent crowd. But do you think the fair-weather nature of
Utah fans in the McBride and pre-McBride eras will be the norm or has Utah
solidified its fan base to where they'll pack the stadium even with teams
with losing records? Of course watching Utah v. USC is a whole lot more
interesting than Utah v. New Mexico.Just wanted your point of view.
And once again, the majority of comments are by haters. Proving that jealousy
isn't an honor code violation; it's a way of life!
BYU would handle life in any conference, the difference would be that if BYU
were in a conference pretty much all LDS players would be going there instead of
most. We are a couple of plays from being in the top 10. We will get back there.
As for Utah, I wish you all the best of luck on your endeavors in the Pac 12. I
must admit, however, it was fun to watch you get beat by a former BYU
quarterback last week in Washington! Sark is awesome!
@worf If the utes had gone independent, they would be financially
drowning. They depended on BYU TV revenue during the WAC, and MWC years, and now
the PAC. without entitlements, their sports program would foreclosed, and Chris
B would be a Weber State fan.-------------Please call us
when/if someone offers you $20-$30 million to join a prestigious organization
and you turn it down because you don't want "entitlements".Also tell us when you refuse to accept your tax exempt entitlement
status.Notre Dame just joined the ACC for all sports and 7 games in
football. When Idaho and New Mexico State joins you as an independent and not
USC and Texas, which also has it's own network, you should be able to read
the writing on the wall.@LonestarRunner: "Despite the obvious
weaklings on their schedule, BYU has shown that they can compete with the big
boys."How so? You've won 5-14 vs good teams in 3 years
(USU twice, Tulsa, Washington, SDSU--4 wins at LES). Bronco is 12-13 vs BCS
PAC manWhether you use Sagarin or RealTimeRPI, the obvious
conclusion is WINNING is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, than SOS. You can whine and make
excuses for losing, but bottom line, NOBODY cares how difficult your SOS is if
you don't WIN!--------------It seems nobody cares
if you beat a bunch of cupcakes either:"Officials from the Bowl
Championship Series didn't even wait long enough to see if BYU could finish
the regular-season  with an undefeated record to decide the Cougars'
BCS fate.Access denied.A 12-0 record, a conference
championship, and the nation's highest-scoring offense were not enough for
BYU, which was officially eliminated from BCS consideration on Monday." -- Jeff Call
Lonestarrunner,You do realize that the Y has not competed with the
big boys since 1996. You have 1 so called good win since then. That was against
OU and they turned out to be a fraud. Just like Pitt did in 84. While only
losing to Notre Dame by 3 is a moral victory for you fans, and think that you
can compere with anyone in the country, you can't. You have lost every game
against a nationaly relevent team, other than OU since, well, 1996. Your best
win since that OU win was against the Utes in 2009 in OT. Other than that, you
have lost all the games vs good teams. Even in the UTES so called "down
years" you still cannot beat us, and got run off your home field in 2011.
Enjoy all that amazing exposure as an irrelevent. It came out on Monday that
even the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, and Conf USA even has more access to the new BCS or
whatever they will call it than you do. That is your new sad reality. You
aren't the Notre Dame of the west, & no one really cares about you,
other than you.
Don't worry about the tough times, Utes, for as Chris B. pointed out you
have two BCS wins! (Insert laughter here.) So let's see:
Heisman Trophy Winners - 0. National Championships - 0. MWC Championships and
WAC Championships - very few. Amount of time to garner 10 PAC 12 Conference
wins---at this point, at least three seasons. (After the next two weeks, maybe
4, but that is speculation while requiring 3 seasons is a current fact.)So what exactly does Utah have to brag about, other than two BCS wins?
Can anyone say who else won BCS games those same years and were there any
repeats other than the Utes? I think not, because BCS wins aren't that
important after a year or so. Sorry, Utes, that's a fact too.
Papa Smurf UTEActually, BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon State in the
2009 Las Vegas Bowl so badly, that it knocked the Beavers completely out of the
rankings. If BYU hadn't beaten OSU so badly, the Cougars would have had a
win over a ranked, "nationally relevant" PAC 12 opponent.It's laughable how Utah fans were claiming just a year ago that coming
close to beating USC at USC last year proved that the Utes were
"competitive", but now those same Utah homers are arguing that BYU only
losing by 3 at #3-ranked Notre Dame doesn't prove anything.The
inconsistency of Utah fans is hilarious.Don't kid yourself
about no one caring about BYU. The kids on the hill are obsessed with BYU.
Smurf"Enjoy all that amazing exposure as an irrelevent. It came
out on Monday that even the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, and Conf USA even has more
access to the new BCS or whatever they will call it than you do." The reality is, the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and Big East ALL have
better access than Utah. At least one team from one of those conferences is
GUARANTEED to be included in one of the BCS bowls every year.There's no guarantee that Utah will ever be included in one of those
bowls.The Rose Bowl is reserved for the big boys of the PAC 12, and
U aren't one of them.
"A 12-0 record, a conference championship, and the nation's
highest-scoring offense were not enough for BYU, which was officially eliminated
from BCS consideration on Monday..."is one of the main reasons
Utah was able to bust the bcs in 2004.If not for BYU 1996 and BYU
2001, the rules that allowed the Utes to bust the bcs in 2004 would not have
existed.Not even the idiots who run the bcs would be stupid enough
to deny an undefeated or 1-loss Top 10-ranked BYU team a spot in a bcs bowl,
especially if that team was ranked higher than a champion from any of the
automatic qualifying conferences.
@TheSportsAuthorityYou keep hanging on to that Oregon State (8-5)
beatdown as a significant win. Utah (10-3) in 2010 also dropped out of the AP
top 25 when they were beat down by Boise in Vegas. Yet you posted they were a
mediocre team, which I actually agreed with you.It wasn't Utah
fans and it wasn't just because of the close win at USC:"Utah has accomplished something that is difficult to do in the world of
collegiate sports - make a significant climb up the food chain... There
isn't a huge sample size yet, but Utah proved last season that it can be
relevant in the Pac-12, even in a season in which it suffered significant
injuries. The program has a highly respected coach in Kyle Whittingham who has
proven that he has a program that can compete on a national level." --
Mitch Light (Athlon Sports)"Still, the initial verdict is fairly
positive. While the grind of Pac-12 play is far different than the Mountain West
Conference, it's clear that Utah can compete in the Pac-12. They figure to
be a long-term fixture in the South Division race." --Ted Miller (ESPN)
phoenix"The reality is, the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA,
and Big East ALL have better access than Utah."Sorry, I have to
disagree. Utah should have slightly better access than the WAC.smurfHope that helps you sleep at night.
@phoenixThe reality is, the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and
Big East ALL have better access than Utah. -------------That's not reality that's just fantasy in your head. Anyone that
argues TCU in the Big 12 and Utah in the PAC-12 have less access to BCS and
playoffs just doesn't understand college football.
@TiredDudePlease share your lecture with Chris B.
I predict the Utes will won out. But when will they become competitive and
challenge for a Pac 12 Title? That looks to be a long way in the the future,
probably after a coaching change and many years to come.
@PapaSmelfWhy not leave the relevence arguement up to those who make
a career out of college football - the coaches. Where were the Utes ranked at
the end of last season by the coaches? How about the Cougars? What about this
season? I think the coaches know a lot more about what a quality football team
looks like than a bunch of armchair bench warmers. I don't think that the
Notre Dame coach would have made the comments he did after the BYU game, if he
didn't have respect for their play. With all the other schools they have
played this year, he didn't have as much praise for any of them than he did
for BYU.Out of curiousity, where exactly are the Utes ranked in the
polls this year?
UteologyUtah wasn't even close to #16 when the Utes were blown
out by Boise State. Of course, you chose to omit that little detail,
nor did you mention that Oregon State barely missed playing in the Rose
Bowl in 2009.It's funny that you're using pre-season
quotes from this year, when the Utes were the talk of the town and were going to
be the main PAC south challengers to national championship favorite USC.Obviously, pre-season opinions and projections don't always turn
out as expected.It would be interesting to see what Mitch Light and
Ted Miller think about the Utes now.
@IRS Agent:What reason other than jealousy is there for whY? fans to
comment on a Utah article? Sour grapes? I don't claim Chris B.
as one of ours. There are some lost souls out there. But he does have one thing
your fanbase doesn't; his favorite team is the winning team 8 of the last
phoenix, worf, midpac, duck---Why all the hate? You know what's
interesting to me is the vitriol that comes out regularly from jealous BYU fans
like you. No other fan base has rivals that are so ugly. Not UCLA vs. USC,
not Oregon vs. Oregon State, not Arizona vs. Arizona State. And it seems to be
getting very one sided lately by a handful of extremely bitter BYU fans
commenting on every sports-related article on the Utes. You don't see
nearly the same garbage dished out against BYU by U fans. Check the recent
articles and read the corresponding comment sections.I agree with
Wookie as he says "I do not believe you are a Y fan as you do not represent
that school or its faith." You can see why an outsider would have a very
hard time with your school, at least as represented by those who regularly
It seems that if you don't slobber all over yourselves with praise for the
Utes, you are a Utah hater.
Go RedYou are spot on. Hopefully, this band of followers are not
true BYU fans. The BYU fans I talk to face to face are very cordial,
knowlege-able and true fans; not Utah Haters.@ HemlockNo, there's a difference between stating your opinion, in a constructive
manner; than continuely and constantly be-littling a program. Constantly
spinning and spewing statistics in comparison to Utah. To basically getting
enjoyment out of a team having a rough year.Utah is having a rough
year. After so much sucsess, and bowl win, after bowl win this year is tough to
swallow. Any time a team costantly under achieves, and doesn't play to
it's potential; its tough. With that I'm hoping for 6-6 and a bowl
win. GO UTES >---->
@Snack PACYou don't like the Utah 2010 Vegas example. Then how
about #19/#20 Pitt in 2004 getting pounded by Utah in the Fiesta Bowl and
dropping out of the Coaches poll. BYU fans have been arguing for years that the
Pitt team was mediocre.The ESPN quote was from 12/7/2011 during last
years postseason before the win over Georgia Tech. They probably
would say Utah underperformed but it's not unexpected for a team that
starts 3 QBs in one year. The original assumption was Wynn would be in 2009
form. Others had Utah at 8-4 this year, I think everyone underestimated the
learning curve for Brian Johnson and how good UCLA, Oregon State, and Arizona
The Utes schedule is ranked 11 by Sagerin. byu fan, if you are going to come on
here try not to blatently lie about facts. Another fact, 3 straight wins and 8
out of 11.
If anybody can get done, it is Whittingham. However, I think the youngest
offensive coordinator in the country is proving to be too easy for those
experienced PAC 12 defensive coordinators. A change there may be in order.
Snack PACUtah wasn't even close to #16 when the Utes were blown
out by Boise State.----------Rather then to just take
your word for it, I did some research.Not even close? According to
final regular season AP polls:Utah was ranked #19 10-2 (BCS #19).Oregon Stat was #16 8-4 (BCS #18).So according to the BCS they
As a ute fan I am going bowling again this year just like I did in the
70's....But since Ritz Classic is gone...I think I will give Orchard lanes
a try! SOS is mute when you dont win.....beating WSU and losing to USC UCLA
Washington ASU, it doesn't matter how strong your schedule is? There is no
pride in being the biggest loser in a strong schedule.....Time for a change in
Uteville? Yes, Put in a call to Gary Anderson!
Let's play the Utes again in the Poinsetta Bowl.My money says
we'd beat them.Badly.(Yeah, I know the bowl
contracts aren't set up that way, but I just wanted to say that if we
played the Utes again, they'd lose. They got LUCKY the first time. They
wouldn't be lucky again the second.
phoenixGilbert, AZ"A 12-0 record, a conference
championship, and the nation's highest-scoring offense were not enough for
BYU, which was officially eliminated from BCS consideration on Monday..."is one of the main reasons Utah was able to bust the bcs in 2004.If not for BYU 1996 and BYU 2001, the rules that allowed the Utes to
bust the bcs in 2004 would not have existed.------------LOLGetting a whopping at Hawaii and being embarrassed by
Louisville to finish 12-2 didn't open the doors for Utah/TCU/Boise. It
just proved BCS committee was correct in not inviting a weak 12-0 BYU team.Prove it that the BCS rules changed in 2001 to make it more exclusive
for non-BCS teams. In 1996 there was no BCS.Here's what I
found how BYU contributed.Other teams have won the national
championship despite playing presumably weaker schedules than other championship
contenders. The BYU Cougars [in 1984]... To address these problems, five
conferences, six bowl games, and leading independent Notre Dame joined forces to
create the Bowl Coalition, which was intended to force a de facto "national
championship game" between the top two teams.
UteologyThe BCS ranking is ONLY used to determine teams invited to
the BCS bowls and championship. There is no final BCS ranking after the
bowls.It's completely irrelevant as far as final AP and Coaches
Poll rankings.In 2009, OSU was ranked #16 AP and #15 Coaches before
the Las Vegas Bowl.In 2010, Utah was ranked #19 AP and #19 Coaches before
the Las Vegas Bowl.Like I said, not even close. Teams don't
drop 10 places or more because of a single loss, unless that loss was an
absolute beat down.Utah only dropped four places in the Coaches poll
and only six places in the AP poll after losing to Boise State.Oregon State dropped over 10 places in each after losing to BYU, the
difference between being ranked and being unranked.
It's funny how the utes go to the PAC, then their fans comment on a tough
schedule, then complain of BYU playing cupcakes.Go figure.
UtelogyUtah 2004's schedule and record was no better than BYU
2001's schedule and record prior to the BYU-Hawaii game, yet the BCS had
already decided PRIOR to the game, according to your own post, that BYU WOULD
NOT BE INVITED to a BCS bowl, regardless of whether BYU beat 8-3 Hawaii or not,
PROOF that in 2001 there was no BCS rule to compell the BCS to invite any team
outside of their tight little circle of automatic qualifiers, and also PROOF,
that the BCS rules did change prior to 2004 to compell the BCS to invite the
highest ranked non-AQ team.
A Utah article with:1 comment from TCU fan27 comments from U fan40 comments from Y fanLooks like many closet U fans are coming out
tonight. You know what they say, "If you can't beat em join em"
BYU fan delusion makes me laugh every time. News flash, the Utes own your team
on the field of play, where it counts. Enjoy being in the ranks of
independents with New Mexico State and Idaho; now that's cachet.
@Snack PACYou missed the point. What the BCS poll showed was when
that taking everything into consideration, including computer rankings, Utah and
Oregon State were indeed "close":#18 OSU 8-2 vs
#19 Utah 10-2midpacmajorWhat happened at the end
of season? Both teams dropped out of the top 25 after losing big. Feel free to call Utah mediocre and Oregon State a great team and a huge win
for BYU. That fact still remains the ONLY two final ranked teams
BYU has beat since 1996 are #18 Utah (2009) and #20 TCU (2006).@midpacmajorThat's not proof its your opinion based on
fantasy. Please cite the source showing rule changes to the BCS system because
of what BYU did. The rules only changed after what Utah/Boise/TCU did, while
BYU in 2001 and Hawaii 2007 Sugar Bowl proved the critics were right.
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, UtahUtelogyUtah
2004's schedule and record was no better than BYU 2001's schedule and
record prior to the BYU-Hawaii game...------------The
difference was Utah rolled all over our opponents by 14+ points.While BYU before being exposed by Hawaii struggled against:Nevada-Las Vegas (4-7) W 35-31New Mexico (6-5) W 24-21Wyoming
(2-9) W41-34Utah (8-4) W 24-21Mississippi State (3-8)W 41-38That's why they said no, your a weak team. Hawaii and Louisville
just proved it.BYU did nothing to open the doors for non-AQ teams.
Your not even relevant in that discussion.
@uteologyYour quotes from Mitch Light and Ted Miller were pre-season
quotes. I'm going to go out on a limb and say neither of them believe that
any longer and they will not be making similar comments next year. Perspective
comes from what actually occurs, their perspective has definately changed and
the truth is your has to, you know they were wrong, you even admit it in some of
your posts here and on the Trib. Funny how you're trying to argue
Uteology"The difference was Utah rolled all over our opponents
by 14+ points."LOL!out how uninformed you really
are.The BCS computers aren't even allowed to consider margin of
victory in their formulas for ranking teams.You obviously don't
understand cause and effect relationshps.EVERY rule change is
precipitated by an event that triggers a discussion that leads to a rule
change.The BCS deciding, while BYU was still 12-0 and ranked in the
Top 10, that BYU would not be invited to a BCS bowl, REGARDLESS of whether BYU
beat Hawaii, or not, triggered the discussion of how unfair the BCS was in
excluding non-AQ teams from BCS bowls, which lead to the rule change REQUIRING
the BCS to invite the highest ranked non-AQ team to a BCS bowl, starting in
2004.Without that rule change, the BCS could have invited ANY
at-large team that the BCS wanted to, instead of Utah, leaving Utah 2004 in the
exact same position BYU 2001 was in prior to the Hawaii game, undefeated and
uninvited.Without BYU 2001, Utah 2004 could very easily have ended
up playing in another minor bowl.
UteologyIt's laughable how you completely omitted BYU's
dominating wins from 2001, while pretending that every Utah win in 2004 was
dominating, even though you know for a fact that wasn't the case.btw, I noticed that you still haven't given us evidence that Utah beat a
single regular season opponent in 2004 that made the Utes "BCS
worthy".Don't just give us names, give us records and
rankings, just like you nit pik EVERY BYU opponent.*crickets*
IRS Fraud,Where is the Y ranked this year? They are not. They played
4 decent to good teams this year, and lost them all. Is is a growing trend at
the Y. Bronco knows that. There is one thing Bronco does well. He usually does
not lose to the teams he should beat, but has only once beat a team no one
thought that he would win. It's amazing to me how delusional Y fans can be.
They think since they end the year on a winning streak against poor cempetition,
then start the fall with a win, before they lose to the good teams that they are
continuing to get better. Face it, you aren't. Next year you will be lucky
to make it to 7-5 or even 7-6 if Holmoe takes the 13th game for playing Hawaii
in Hawaii. You still have 6 patsies on there that you will win, and then have
probably 1 more win in there against an average team. Your exposure may be good,
but when you don't win, it doesn't matter.
Bleed Cougar Blue,The Utes must get lucky a lot then against the Y.
I think that it is the other way around though. Since 193, and other than 96
when you beat us by 20, you are the lucky ones. 98, doink chip shot FG off the
left upright. 2000, fumble by BYU on 3rd down, no replay, refs don't call
it a fumble, Doman throws long pass on 4th down, BYU wins. Game should've
been over due to the fumble. 01, Utes D stuffs the Y all day, up 21-10 with 5
min to play, then lose. Well all know 2006 on the last second pass. 2007 a 4th
and 18 bomb when McCain, who is a NFL corner thinks Maxi got sacked, & turns
his head. Then OT in 09 when our LB and safety run into one another. SO the Y is
the lucky team. We could have 12 or so in a row. While our offense is not great,
we would still beat you. We have the last 3 years with 3 different QBs playing
at times for Utah, with no offensive game at all. Lucky huh, I would say
it's just better.
Papa Smurf UTEBig talk from a PAC 12 team that still hasn't
beaten a conference foe with a winning record and couldn't even beat lowly
10-loss Colorado last season.Instead of worrying about BYU's
lack of recent accomplishments, you should be more worried about Utah's
continuing downward spiral since 2008. At your current pace, it'll only be
a couple more years before Utah's football program descends below
Utah's basketball program in ineptitude.
@ogmsonYou're kidding me right?? Calling byu a dominant
program?? Remind me how you came to that conclusion? Just remember one thing
when you're reminiscing over your "dominance." 3
peat8 of the last 11
utesnationJust remember one thing when you're fooling yourself
into believing that one game proves "dominance."Colorado
17Utah 14btwTop 25 FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1So much
for proving Utah's "dominance" on a national scale, which is the
only scale fans not living on the hill care about.
TruthI am a Ute fan also, Gary Anderson? Come on buddy, he has had
1 so-so year and one good one as a head coach. What and the heck would he do
different than Coach Whit? If you understand college football you would
understand what Utah is going through right now. Yes we would all like to see
more wins but I promise you they are coming.We were not going to
walk in and win right off the bat, our coaches need to learn to coach at a
higher level, our players need to play at a higher level, and our fans need to
know that we are no longer playing the likes of New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado
State. Gary Anderson would have to start at the same level, learn how to coach
in the PAC12. Slow down a bit be a good Ute fan and let it happen,
don't think someone else is going to come in here and change everything
especially Gary Anderson. Maybe the likes of Urban Meyer but that's long
gone. We have great coaches they too just need to learn and get better just
like the players.
I'm still trying to figure out the benefit to the program of abandoning
in-state rivalries, since both of those rivals are going to bowl games this
year. Maybe it's all about the money.
@Uteanymous"The difference was Utah rolled all over our
opponents by 14+ points."LOL!out how uninformed you
really are.The BCS computers aren't even allowed to consider
margin of victory in their formulas for ranking teams.-------When, in 2001? Margin of victory was included in 2001 when BYU went
12-2 (see below).Regardless, I never said anything about margin of
victory in computer rankings. I was talking about why an invitation wasn't
given. You really think margin of victory doesn't influence
the decision to invite BYU? I argue BYU struggling against horrible teams did
influence the decision to give them a BCS invite. It;s hilarious
that BYU fans would think that because they're team got exposed as being a
12-0 fraud that somehow that opened the doors for Utah/TCU/Boise."Beginning in 2001, The Peter Wolfe and Wes Colley/Atlanta
Journal-Constitution computer rankings were used in place of the NYT and Dunkel
rankings. The change was made because the BCS wanted computer rankings that did
not depend heavily on margin of victory... The BCS continued to purge ranking
systems which included margin of victory, causing the removal of the Matthews
and David Rothman (statistician) ratings before the 2002 season."
@anti BCSbtw, I noticed that you still haven't given us
evidence that Utah beat a single regular season opponent in 2004 that made the
Utes "BCS worthy".------------We demolished
everyone on our schedule and we proved that we were "BCS worthy" by
destroying #18 Pitt 35-7 who was worthy enough to finish AP #25.Now
your turn, can you please provide us with evidence that BYU beat a single team
ALL YEAR in 1984 that made the Cougars "National Championship" worthy.
@UteanymousEVERY rule change is precipitated by an event that
triggers a discussion that leads to a rule change.----------True but in 2001 a 12-0 BYU team getting spanked by:12/8
@Hawaii (9-3) 45-72triggered laughter that even made Duckhunter LOL,
not BCS rule changes.
UteologyIt's ridiculous that you posted that the BCS decided
BEFORE the BYU-Hawaii game that they weren't going to invite BYU to a BCS
bowl, then you justify BYU not being invited BECAUSE they lost to Hawaii.Maybe you need a course in logic, because it appears you'll grasp
at anything to justify your ill conceived argument.It's
laughable that you continue to dodge the very simple question of providing the
name of even one team on that illustrious list of Utah 2004 regular seaso
opponents that proved that Utah was worthy of a bcs invite. Since
you refuse to answer the question, for obvious reasons, I'll answer it for
you. Utah didn't beat a single regular season opponent of any
significance in 2004. In fact, unlike BYU 2001, Utah only beat three regular
season opponents that finished with winning records and NONE of them won more
than 7 games.
UteologySorry, it's not my turn until you answer the
question:What regular season opponent did Utah beat that proved that
the Utes were "bcs worthy"?(include name, record, and
antiBCS, phoenix, duck, sammy, etc.Why all the hate? Again, coming
from a fan base of an institution that claims to have a higher call, all
articles on Utah athletics have been assaulted of late by BYU "fans".
It only comes across as sour grapes. It is a fact that, since Utah
beat BYU again, Utah fans have bragging rights. That's just the way it
works. But some of you BYU "fans" don't seem to get that. And some
of your comments are unbelievably ugly, with many more BYU "fans" trying
to trash Utah than vice verse. Come on, guys, lighten up. You have next year
to try to settle the score. Meanwhile, try eating a little humble pie.
@ anti BCSAllow me to chime in here. Let's compare BCS teams in
2004 to see if Utah was BCS worthy, shall we? Let's list who other BCS bowl
teams beat (ranked) during the season, and how they fared in there BCS bowl.Other BCS teams that year:Virginia Tech.: Beat #18 Virginia during
the season, lost to #3 Aburn in bowl (1-1)Pitt: didn't beat a ranked
team, lost to #6 Utah(0-1)Michigan: lost to #25 Michigan, beat #12 Iowa,
lost to #4 Texas in bowl (1-2)LSU: lost to #3 Auburn, lost to #7 Georgia,
lost to #12 Iowa in bowl (0-3)Utah: beat #20 Texas A&M, beat #21 Pitt
in bowl (2-0)Was Utah BCS worthy? Of course, they beat everyone they
played, the records above speak for them self. When BYU goes undefeated in the
BCS era, maybe you can will under stand what it means to be "BCS
worthy". Until then, just worry about beating Utah. That seems to be task
A little background on 12/8/2001 BYU @HawaiiThe week of BYU's
scheduled September 15th game at Mississippi State, a tragic event we refer to
as "9/11" occurred. Because of 9/11, BYU's game with MSU was
postponed until December 1st. Instead of having a week off before traveling to
Hawaii, BYU was forced to travel to Starksville (1,700 miles) and back, arriving
back in Provo early Sunday morning, then travel to Honolulu (3000 miles) 5 days
later, a total of more than 6,000 miles traveled in less than a week. During their Saturday night game at MSU, BYU lost the nation's best
running back to a career ending knee injury.On Monday, undefeated,
8th ranked BYU was informed by the BCS that BYU WOULD NOT BE INVITED to a BCS
bowl, even if they destroyed 8-3 Hawaii and finished the regular season 13-0.Given the circumstances, it was remarkable that a tired, demoralized
team, that was missing one of its key offensive players, was able to play as
well as they did against a very skilled and motivated Hawaii team in an
environment that was always tough, even under normal conditions.
Spokane UteHow BCS bowl teams performed in their respective BCS bowl
is irrelevant in this discussion.The issue isn't whether Utah
proved they were BCS worthy by beating Pittsburgh, the issue is whether Utah
beat anybody during the regular season, PRIOR to being selected as an at-large
team, that proved that Utah deserved to be invited to a BCS game.Fortunately for Utah, the rules were changed for 2004, and Utah didn't
have to worry about the BCS randomly deciding to invite a 10-2 SEC team instead
RockwellOf course they were BCS worty prior to the bowls. You do
realize that only 3 teams finished undefeated that year, and only 3 had one loss
don't you? Look at my post regarding other BCS teams that year, and the
ranked teams they beat during the regular season. Going undefeated, for the most
part, will earn you a BCS bid. Reference: Hawaii (didn't beat a ranked
team), Boise State and TCU. I disagree with your comment that how they performed
is irrelavent. Obvioulsy Hawaii wasn't worthy. Utah proved it's case
in both BCS bowl games. A small little group of Bitter BYU fans are the only
one's that I know, who would ever question Utah's merit in 2004 or
2008. Is it an inferiority complex, or just a hatred toward Utah? Maybe a
combination of both, but pretty sad and pathetic in my book.
MLHI'm still waiting to hear the Ute 'true story'.goredCould you please begin to expound how pointing out that
your team's dismal performance is hate?The Utes 'new
world' is one of serfdom in the PAC12.I personally think its
hilarious to have put up with you guys chest pounding and so called superiority
smack for these three years and then to witness this train wreck.It's irony, it's classic tragedy, it's entertainment at its
best. It's not hate.Win some games and change the
'stars'. But please don't expect those that you've been
rubbing noses in 'it' for a few seasons to not take advantage of the
change of the events.Quit whining. You're embarrassing your fan
base.This is fun and you know you deserve every bit of it.
@anti BCSI answered your silly question, the 2004 team proved it on
the field that they were "BCS worthy" in the postseason. Were they a
"national championship worthy" team? Nope! We had a weak schedule
compared to Auburn and USCheaters. The 2001 BYU team was not
"BCS worthy", since they struggled against weak teams and were finally
was exposed by Hawaii and Louisville.Since you asked the original
question, time to back up your 1984 "national championship worthy" team.
@defective reasoningSame old tired argument by probably the same
person.Again, even with your RB you still struggled to beat 4 lousy
teams on the road all year (in Sept, Oct, and Nov). And even if you had your RB
in the Hawaii game he wouldn't have prevented your sorry defense from being
pasted for 72 points.Nice try.
Utah 24 FinalBYU 21
@phoenixUtah didn't beat a single regular season opponent of
any significance in 2004. In fact, unlike BYU 2001, Utah only beat three regular
season opponents that finished with winning records and NONE of them won more
than 7 games.------------What, come again? Each team
won 3 teams with winning records: BYU 2011:@ New Mexico (6-5)
W 24-20@ Colorado State (7-5)W 56-34Utah (8-4) W 24-21Overall: 21-14Utah 2004:Texas A&M (7-5)W 41-21@New
Mexico (7-5) W 28-7@Wyoming (7-5)W 45-28Overall: 21-15Again the difference? BYU struggled and was exposed as a
12-0 fraud, Utah was legit.
@ UteologyAmen Brother!
Spokane UteBased on the level of their competition, Utah wasn't
legit, just lucky, that the rules were changed in 2004 to require the BCS to
invite a team that hadn't beaten ANYBODY to their little dance. The
majority of fans didn't even think that Pittsburgh, the team that Utah beat
in the Fiesta Bowl, was BCS worthy.There's no possibility that
an 8-3 team that was ranked #21 in the BCS and that finished in a 4-way tie for
first in a 7-team conference would have been invited to a BCS bowl, if the
Panthers hadn't been an automatic qualifier.The truth is, Utah
was a very good team that dominated a bunch of very weak teams. Utah was the
only decent team in the entire WAC in 2004.---------UteologyUtah fans couldn't possibly understand the void left
in an offensive by the loss of the nation's best running back, because the
Utes have never, ever lost the nation's best anything in football.
UteologyBYU 2001Utah (8-4) W 24-21It's
interesting that completely glossed over the fact that BYU 2001 was good enough
to beat the 8-4 Utah team that beat USC in their bowl game, while Utah 2004
didn't beat ANY regular season opponents that finished with less than 5
losses.A win is a win; you don't have to "dominate" the
other team in order to validate a win.
all this talk is going on between you guys, and that's cute and all, but I
could care less about what your all saying because I'm still sitting here
wondering when the next time I'm gonna be able to rush the field is.
Utefan7"I'm still sitting here wondering when the next time
I'm gonna be able to rush the field is."Next year, when
Colorado visits RES is a good possibility, though not a given.
RockwellYou do realize Utah beat #19 Texas A&M don't you? A
ton of other schools played similar, or weaker schedules that year, but
didn't go undefeated. That's what got them the bid. I guess the were
"Lucky" to win every game, right? Why the hate? They beat everyone they
played against, something that only 2 other teams did that year. Only 6 teams
had 1 loss or less. You can spin it any way you wany, but every other fan (who
doesn't have the BYU bias in their head) knows that was a great and very
deserving team. But keep telling your self other wise if it makes you feel
better, the rest of us know the truth.
9-2-04 TEXAS A&M (Thur.) WON 41-21 9-11-04 at Arizona WON 23-6 9-18-04 at Utah State WON 48-6 9-25-04 AIR FORCE WON 49-35 10-1-04 at New Mexico (Fri.) WON 28-7 10-16-04 NORTH CAROLINA WON
46-16 10-23-04 UNLV WON 63-28 10-30-04 at San Diego State WON
51-28 11-6-04 COLORADO STATE WON 63-31 11-13-04 at Wyoming WON
45-28 11-20-04 BRIGHAM YOUNG WON 52-21 FIESTA BOWL @Tempe, AZ 1-1-05 vs. Pittsburgh WON 35-7 Sorry, Utah doesn't have to
appoligize for that run at all. Not one Bit!
Spokane Ute"You do realize Utah beat #19 Texas A&M
don't you?"No, Utah beat UNRANKED Texas A&M.A Utah fan trying claim that Utah 2004 beat #19 Texas A&M, is like a BYU
fan trying to claim that BYU 1984 beat #3 Pittsburgh.Texas A&M
and Pittsburgh were both ranked at the beginning of the season. Neither was
ranked at the end of the season.Utah 2004 didn't beat a single
regular season opponent that finished with a record better than 7-5.BYU
2001 beat Utah(8-4) a team that beat USC in the Las Vegas Bowl.BYU
2001 lost to two teams that finished with 9-3 records.Utah 2004
didn't play a single team that finished with better than an 8-4 record.
Welcome to the Pac, Ute fans... As an ASU Alum, I can tell you just how hard it
is to compile a "solid" season in this competitive league. You may have
had some great years in the WAC/MWC in the past, even playing in and winning a
BCS bowl or two, but playing in a BCS bowl game and playing in a BCS league are
two VERY different things...To face BCS competition week in and week
out, is very different from facing a BCS team in a BCS bowl and having a month
to prepare for them. I have long respected the Utes, and wish them well - but
this league will challenge you and take the best that you have to offer and ask
for more...Settle in boys, this is going to be MUCH harder than you
ever thought it would be...
From the comments here you would think that BYU and Utah didn't play this
year and that there was some doubt about which team won.
@sportsfanGet your facts straight. Google "final 2004 BCS
rankings" and tell me where Texas A@M is listed. Also, as Max said; who won
between Utah and BYU this year, and the year before, and the year before....I can't wait for your spin on that.
Not the right comments to make for Whittingham. Winning 10 games is one thing
but losing to middle tier conference teams because you went to the freshman
Wilson too early is another. At 0-2 in conference, the O line started to get
it's act together and White IV was getting healthy, and boom, Whit gives up
on Hayes and his senior leadership. Except for the play of Wilson, Utah played
well enough to have had good chances to beat UCLA and Oregon State. At
Washington, White IV had his 100 plus yards and Wilson did nothing to give Utah
a chance. The Utah State game saw Utah trailing 13-0 to the Aggies when Wynn got
hurt. Hays and the offense outscored Utah State 20-7 after that to go to
overtime tied and 20. Utah then lost by an offensive pass interference call
after the overtime tying TD. That was the game there.