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Utah Utes basketball: Runnin' Utes have piled up patsies on this year's preseason schedule — with good reason

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  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    As a Utah fan, its hard to deny how bad the non-conference is. Especially for someone with season tickets. But I know, and do understand, what Coach K is trying to accomplish. In order to build a winning program, you need to learn how to win period. Most of these games should not be even close, and Utah should win going away but that is part of the progress. You need to learn how to put bad teams way, learn how to go on runs, learn how to score in the final minutes of the half/game. These early games will provide those expeciences so that when the BYU game, and conference games come up hopefully they can pull some wins out that no one expect.

    The fanbase is behind you Coach K, we know you can pull the program out of this mess.

    GO UTES!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    There's an old saying:

    "To be the best, you have to play the best."

    So what does playing the worst make you?

    I know, the kids on the hill will immediately start whining about BYU's football patsies, but just remember, BYU scheduled all of those WAC teams out of necessity to fill an entire two-year, 12-games per season schedule in just a couple of months.

    Utah, on the other hand, intentionally scheduled the worst OOC teams the Utes could find in a blatant and shameless attempt to pad their record.

    Ironically, as the article pointed out, this is the worst schedule in Utah history, save one, 1944, the year Utah won the NCAA tournament.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    "However, any suggestion that the Utes have a lousy preseason schedule doesn’t faze second-year coach Larry Krystkowiak in the least. After all, he’s coming off that 6-25 season with almost an entirely new group of players. Accordingly, he wasn’t about to load up this year’s schedule with tough opponents."

    Unfortunately, no Junior Jazz league teams were available?

    No guts, no glory coach.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Limbo lower now.

    How low can U go?

    While other PAC 12 teams like USC are seeking to improve their RPI, by scheduling tough out of conference opponents, the Utes are doing their best to drag the entire conference down to their level.

    Embarrassing!

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    I understand the need to schedule some games that will provide some confidence to a young team, but this is pathetic. Utah has a storied history in basketball and Dr. Hill should have set some higher expectations for Coach K. They could have easily scheduled some teams that were at least considered below average in order to provide the new players an opportunity to improve their skills. What a joke and embarassment!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    Utah fans should be embarrassed.

    Even after their 1-25 season, BYU didn't have to stoop to this level in order to raise their basketball program from the ashes.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    The Utes are in their comfort zone playing the patsies. Pretty soon Utah will be a school that other schools will schedule to pad their W/L ratio.

  • diggs76 Tooele, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    The problem is,other schools,good schools...won't want to play the Utes because it will bring down their RPI. Pac-12,is this what you signed up for? Did Arizona ask for Utah and Colorado to come in so they wouldn't always be the worst team in Football? Did Washington State ask for them so they wouldn't be the worst team in basketball? Wow...what happened? There was a time I was so proud of the Utes being in the Pac-12,now I'm embarrassed. What has happened? At least don't publicly admit your team is so bad you had to schedule the lowest possible teams around...just to build confidence. Do you think your players are dumb? Will they not realize they are only winning because they are playing NAIA teams? What happens, in the second game of the Pac-12 schedule when Utah is at Arizona? How quick before they realize all those wins on their schedule are a complete lie. This is crazy!

  • diggs76 Tooele, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    When you play terrible teams, you become lazy and sloppy, because you don't have to play your best to win. Where are they going to learn to execute? When are they going to learn to out hustle? It just seems backwards to me.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Coach Krys would get an A for honesty. Unfortunately for him, being candid is not graded.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    Yes we've been terrible.

    I'm impressed with the talent Coach K has brought in. Loveridge could play in any league in the country and there are several bigs back from Mormon life vacations.

    I think we'll be a middle Pac 12 team by the end of the season - which is just fine with me.

  • Utes22 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Not a fan of the non conference schedule but I do see wher Coach Krystkowiak is coming from with the schedule. It was nice to read at the end of the article tha this will be the worst non conference schedule we Ute fans will see. I'll be attending as many as the games as possible regardless of the opponent and finally feel hopeful about the future. It's been a rough few years for Utah basketball but things sure are looking up.
    Go Utes!!!

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    Chris B. please don't make predictions for the Utes as it seems you are 95% wrong on your predictions for BYU. I guess I could hope for your prediction to be so wrong that the Utes finish in the Top of the Pac 12. I don't see how playing so many bad teams prepare a young team to face the Pac 12 schedule.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    I'm less concerned about playing "a schedule full of patsies" than being a patsy.

    After game one I already see the improvement in talent from last year. Plus, Utah will get the chance during PAC-12 play to prove that the program is on the correct path to rebuilding.

    Go UTES!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    @Swoop

    I know, the kids on the hill will immediately start whining about BYU's football patsies, but just remember, BYU scheduled all of those WAC teams out of necessity to fill an entire two-year, 12-games per season schedule in just a couple of months.

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    BYU 2014 schedule includes teams like:

    Middle Tennessee (Today 6-3) SOS 93
    UCF (8-2) 121
    Southern Miss (0-10) 55
    Hawaii (1-8) 49
    Houston (4-6) 87

    Granted no one knows how good these teams will be in 2 years but please stop arguing that the your schedule is only weak out of "necessity". It's more because you're really not Notre Dame.

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Well, more comments on this article than people who renewed their season tickets. That it an accomplishment coach k. Go utes. All your fans are behind you.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:21 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try at deflecting, but BYU's football schedule two years from now has NOTHING to do with Utah's pathetic OOC basketball schedule THIS SEASON.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    @phonix

    Deflection? I think I answered it with my first post. But it seems your feelings were hurt by my second post. My bad!

    Utah's weak BB schedule is out of "necessity" since we are rebuilding a program with young talent.

    BYU's weak Indy football schedule is also out of "necessity" since your not Notre Dame.

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    We tried the "tough schedule to make us tough" thing. Remember the mic-swallower Boylen bellowing "WE MADETHISSCHEDULE FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" at the football game at halftime?

    And how did that work out?

    Let's try it coach K's way for now.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Nov. 14, 2012 2:03 a.m.

    Swoop,
    Did you read the article? Those little numbers at the bottom are additional pages of data. Read them and all of your questions will be answered and suppositions corrected.

    I look at this years schedule in the following manner:
    1. You get better when you practice.
    2. Practicing against an opponent who throws unknown "stuff" at you is better than inter squad.
    3. Playing against a super good team, where you cannot implement your offensive strategy, or work on specific needs, is worse.

    We have 10 new players. We may be much better than a D3 school like Willamette...but may not be a OT better than Sac State? Time will tell! Rebuilding a program that was mismanaged by Dr. Hill for 6 years now will take time.

    Still glad to be a Ute. Wish Willamette would move to the WCC to see how they fair against that "conference"???

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 14, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    @ Chris B - "I think we'll be a middle Pac 12 team by the end of the season - which is just fine with me."

    U are joking, right? Best case scenario, Utes finish #11 instead of #12. Maybe U consider #11 the middle of the PAC? But there's about a 90% chance the Utes finish dead last this year.

    I sort of understand Coach K2's philosophy. I think there's value in scheduling some of these high school teams to teach the players how to win. But U also have to schedule at least 4 or 5 decent teams to see how good you really are and what U have to work on.

    I'm not talking about teams like Florida State, Notre Dame and Baylor - like BYU. But at least schedule Utah State and Weber State to see how U match up with a real college team before U play Arizona and UCLA.

    Comparing BYU's FB schedule to this pathetic BB schedule is a joke. Even BYU's weak November schedule the last two year is miles ahead of the Utes BB schedule.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    16 wins for this years team. 9-3 preseason, 7-11 in conference. Oh, and Delon Wright is going to be SICK when he plays here next year.

    GREAT day to be a Ute! We are coming back!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    "16 wins for this years team. 9-3 preseason, 7-11 in conference. Oh, and Delon Wright is going to be SICK when he plays here next year.

    GREAT day to be a [DELUSIONAL] Ute! We are coming back!"

    Even with their pathetically weak OOC schedule, the Utes still don't have a chance of finishing with a winning record this season, and even with a 14-16 record and a guaranteed loss in the opening round of the PAC tourney, the Utes won't crack the Top 200 in RPI.

    If that's the hill's definition of "back", you're welcome to it.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    indycrimson

    Yes, I read the article, but it didn't answer the question of how playing teams that are even more pathetic than the Utes is going to prepare Utah to play real teams.

    Beating up on a bunch of high school teams may help U gain confidence and feel better about yourself, but all of that confidence will quickly be destroyed when the Utes are smoked the first time they play a legitimate team and discover how hopelessly the Utes are over-matched.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    scott,

    of course its a small step, but its one that ute fans are looking forward to. whats delusional about that?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    I don't really care what krystkowiak's reasons are, it is still funny to me. LOL!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    I see all the BYU comments are getting many likes. Kind of sad that fans of a team that constantly thumps their chest about how great they are feels the need to come and troll articles about how bad the Utes are.

    When Utah was doing things that you kids can only dream of, BYU was the furthest thing from my mind.

    you ought to grow up.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 14, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Current Sagarin Rankings

    #31 BYU 2-0 (221)
    #152 Tenn St 0-2 (35)
    #189 Ga St 0-2 (7)
    #203 Utah 0-0 (0)

    As far as Sagarin is concerned, Utah might as well be scrimmaging against East High School.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 14, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    BYU fans aren't the ones trying to justify a ridiculously weak OOC schedule as "needed" in order to rebuild the Utah basketball program. Even the talking heads on the PAC net are so disgusted with Utah's pre-season schedule that they won't even talk about it.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Troy,

    You missed my point.

    Why dont you head back to the BYU articles.

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    Loveridge is surely wishing he were in a blue and white jersey this year. He is probably imagining what it would be like to be a contender for four full years.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX
    Comparing BYU's FB schedule to this pathetic BB schedule is a joke. Even BYU's weak November schedule the last two year is miles ahead of the Utes BB schedule.

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    Speaking of a joke, can you tell us when was the last time a team with a #104 SOS who beat no final ranked teams backed into a national title? Hint 1984.

    Last year your SOS #90 which was on par with your 1984 team. The difference, unlike the folks down south, Coach K did not proclaim they were playing for a "National Championship" with such a pathetic schedule.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    mussingaround

    Current Sagarin Rankings

    #31 BYU 2-0 (221)
    #152 Tenn St 0-2 (35)
    #189 Ga St 0-2 (7)
    #203 Utah 0-0 (0)

    As far as Sagarin is concerned, Utah might as well be scrimmaging against East High School.

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    You left off a few more:

    #280 Pepperdine 0-2
    #258 Portland 0-1

    It seems you have 4 high school scrimmages on your conference schedule:

    It seems our high school scrimmage still has us ranked higher than the 3 games played by the teams in your conference.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Uteology

    Rewriting history again jealous one?

    After rising to #1 in the polls in late November 1984, BYU's schedule and record were heavily scrutinized by the national media, fans, and every poll voter for over a month, along with every other legitimate contender.

    Yet, after a month of the most intense scrutiny any contending national champion had ever received, BYU was still selected the 1984 CONCENSUS NATIONAL CHAMPION by EVERY major selecting organization of the day, including both national polls.

    Compared to Utah's 1944 NCAA basketball tournament winning schedule, BYU 1984 played a veritable who's who of college football elites.

    btw, BYU 1984, beat FOUR regular season opponents with winning records; Utah 2004 only beat THREE.

    Pot, see kettle.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that you trot out SOS rankings only when it suits your biased, crimson-colored agenda.

    I've never once seen you argue how ridiculously easy Utah's 2004 schedule was. Who exactly did U beat during the regular season that made U "bcs worthy"???

    Don't just give us names, give us records and rankings.

    Just in case you've conveniently "forgotten", Utah fans whined incessantly about the Utes deserving the opportunity to play for the 2004 national championship.

    The same ridiculous bowl system that denied BYU the opportunity to prove itself against a more worthy 1984 bowl opponent, gave U Pittsburgh in 2004.

    BYU fans have been campaigning for a playoff since 1984. Utah fans briefly joined that campaign in 2004, then quickly abandoned it as soon as the Utes were invited to the PAC 12.

    U have NO CREDIBILITY when it comes to arguing the "fairness" of "backing into a championship".

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    Uteology

    Typical, frantic attempt by you to distort the argument by dragging CONFERENCE opponents into the argument.

    Just like USC and Oregon have any control over playing Utah in football, BYU doesn't have any control over playing Portland and Pepperdine in basketball.

    As stated in the accompanying article, Utah's OOC schedule was rated a "1" on a scale of 1 to 10 (with 1 being the absolute worst), by ESPN. BYU's OOC schedule was rated a "9".

    Utah's first opponent was so far off the charts, the game won't even count in the RPI rankings.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 14, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    What a shocker that we're being subjected to more selective rankings from Uteology.

    After all is said and done; after all of the discussion; after all of the hyperbole; here's the only thing that's relevant and counts when it comes to rankings.

    Final National Rankings

    #1/#1 BYU 1984
    #5/#5 BYU 1996
    #4/#5 Utah 2004
    #2/#4 Utah 2008

    Bottom line: BYU 1984 impressed enough voters to be selected #1

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    DeepBlue

    I did notice one common opponent from Utah's 1944 and 2012 schedules, Idaho State, one of only two college teams Utah played during the entire 1944 regular season.

    A precursor of things to come for Utah in 2012?

    Only if 2012 indeed marks the end of the world ;)

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    SSmith, it's obvious you don't know Jordan or his goals or motivation. Don't use words like "surely" when you have no clue.

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    I'm surely sure of it. Any competitor would want to compete. Why would any competitor want to play Utah's pre-season schedule?

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Why do you think Jabari (a serious competitor) has BYU on his final five list? He knows BYU will seriously compete with great talent (#16 Best Recruiting Class 2013).

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    Utah BB has a proven record of 4 - 6 players leaving at the end of each season. Don't be surprised if it happens again. Fans don't like playing teams like Willamette, and neither do players.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    SSmith, then like I said, you "surely" don't know Jordan. I do. He's a competitor who is at home making his own name for himself and instead of playing to live up to trolling rivals' fans expectations of him. He could have played at plenty of better places than BYU. Get over it.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    BYU fans are acting like Utah has no future in basketball. Look at the recruiting comparison.

    Utah has a freshman class consisting of 92, 86, 86, 81, and 40 ratings. BYU's freshman class consists of ratings 83, 40, 40, 40 and another..... 40!

    Lets see what happens this season, I bet cougar fans will stop talking by the end of the season.