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Is Mitt Romney's loss Utah's loss? Mike Leavitt, other Utahns were poised to make an impact

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  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:29 p.m.

    Now Mitt Romney can go back to watching his investments. However, it really is a stretch to have imagained that Washington, D.C. would become dominated by Utah politicians.

    Now for the in-fighting to begin. Fox News's Charles Krauthammer has already dismissed Romney as the "transitional" candidate. He even commented that moderate Republicans in the Northeast lost suggesting that the Party had fielded the worst candidates for this election . This indicates that the extreme Right will be playing the blame game for the next six months. They are already saying that the Republican ticket was upside-down and Paul Ryan should have been the presidential candidate and Romney was a poor standard-bearer.

  • Gosh-DUH Burlington, CT
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    I voted for Romney and Ryan. But we now have 4 more years of President Obama. And from a November 1, 2012 DN article, we know the truth of what kind of a presidency he has had for the past 4 years: "On Sept. 11, 2012, four Americans — including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens — were killed in an attack at a U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.

    Questions in the days following the assault centered on the public reaction of the Obama administration, which for two weeks treated the attack as a spontaneous response to an anti-Islamic YouTube video, even though, as Reuters reported, White House officials had been told within two hours that it was a planned terrorist attack."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    A battered wife will hold on to her abusive husband, and so will our country with its president.

    Hurricane Obama care, and bankruptcy will soon hit us like a storm. Obama now has more flexibility.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    stay classy worf.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    @Gosh
    I can not figure out why it is that some on the far right continue to think that these wild conspiracy theories will work in their favor. they failed in 2008 and the failed again, maybe its time to give it a rest.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Worf apparently thought his comment was so clever that he had to post it on two separate articles tonight. I'm not going to gloat about Obama winning a second term, but I don't feel much sympathy for folks like this who get nasty and petulant when things don't go their way. You'll get through it, Worf, chin up! And buy Fox News stock, they are going to have a banner year griping and moaning about this.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    The American public, the vast majority are moderates. They voted for the moderate candidate. Republicans need to take some lessons from this loss. 1. The tea party was not a model for the party. 2. Lose the religious nut jobbers and their anti-science stances, these folks are a huge turn-off. Jon Huntsman said it best, heed his words! 3. show some compassion for others not like you. 4. Embrace smaller government w/o picking and choosing. If you are for small government don't turn around and then start trying to regulate who marries each other and dictating a Woman's reproductive rights. 5. Make a MUCH better effort to reach across the isle, otherwise nothing gets done and we all lose. 6. Become the GOP of old, the Big Tent... not the narrow hallway the party has become. Don't kick out your so-called "RINO's" just like Demo's know they can't just kick out the Jim Mathesons of the world (the blue-dog demo's). Again, the party needs some diversification culturally, religiously, etc. So Republicans, take my advice or risk further marginalization as a party! It's your choice.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    By the way, Deseret News, Mitt Romney's loss is not "utah's loss". There is a significant and growing portion of the state population that is neither Mormon nor conservative. That portion doesn't want Mitt Romney, didn't like Mike Leavitt, is happy that they are no longer "poised to make an impact" and is disgusted with the gerrymandering that has made all the congressional districts in Utah Republican when a good 1/3 of the state is Democratic.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    I am truly not being melodramatic, snarky or what word you may choose...

    We are doomed to go further into the abyss of economic collapse and we may NEVER recover. This president does not know how to do, nor do his "advisors" know how to do, anything but make speeches punctuated with abrupt, sharp statements, concede and bow to foreign leaders, cover up, and send/take his wife and daughters on expensive vacations. He has no skill set to lead because he has never done it. Not before he won four years ago and certainly not during the last four years.

    We have just witnessed what happens when those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for a living, we are in trouble.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    @Oh, please!

    "We have just witnessed what happens when those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for a living, we are in trouble."

    So the 7.9% unemployed swayed this election?

    I'm employed and I voted for President Obama. It didn't count, though, because of the Electoral College, but I voted for him. What a conundrum for Republicans to fathom.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:55 p.m.

    Now the ball is in Obama's court. No more blaming Bush. Still have the republican congress to deal with. This is your Obama-care. Now we will find out what Obama-care is all about. Will the media now hold Obama more accountable now that he has more "flexibility"? When will he finally be held accountable?

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    "I am truly not being melodramatic, snarky or what word you may choose.."

    Umm, yes you are. You are being the very definition of melodramatic. Not snarky, no, but a petulant sore loser. Like a lot of commenters here, you are venting shallow attacks that skirt this one issue: your candidate didn't win, and perhaps for valid reasons.

    Your last sentence is a particularly obnoxious insult of half the country. Those who vote for a living outnumber those who work? Mooches, all of 'em, huh? That's quite an insult to the millions upon millions of responsible working citizens who voted for Obama. Off the pedestal, please.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    What did we learn tonight? Nice guys finish last and dirty character assassination campaigns work...barely. This is not Utah's loss. This is the failure of America to recognize who was the best man to do the job. Time will prove it.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    Oh Please!

    "We have just witnessed what happens when those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for a living"

    I'd love to see the statistic that proves your statement. I'm guessing it is published in the Journal of Make Stuff Up to Blame Everyone Else. It's a popular periodical among people who don't understand that their world view isn't the only valid one.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:16 a.m.

    All I can say is America will soon find out what Greece already knows and then what? What is Greece? Bankrupt and desperate. Paul Ryan warned that as House Budget Director there IS a FISCAL cliff coming within two years... we "had" one last chance to avoid it and we blindly decided to ignore the warnings. To be honest I could care less about all the Obama welfare crowd ... it is the hard working middle class, tax paying Americans who are going to see the remains of their American dream be crushed... they don't deserve this but deserve has nothing to do with it. We all get what is coming like it or not and it is going to be pretty darn scary. Just remember America - you chose this!!!! Wait til our deficit hits 20 trillion and the house of cards comes crumbling down.

    "What me worry?" (Alfred E Newman of Mad Magazine)

    Is this doom and gloom? We will see in about 18-24 months. Imaging if you can 20% interest rates again (Jimmy Carter era). Image your car loan or home loan. It scares me and it should scare you too. Too late now.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:28 a.m.

    re:ParkCityAggie

    Vast majority are moderates? Oh please stop it. The majority of Americans want free stuff and could care less how we pay for it. You call that moderate? America is no more moderate than Greece and America will soon be tasting the nasty dog food that Greece is eating right now.. bankruptcy and desperation. Oh - that mean both you and I !!!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:29 a.m.

    Oh, Please . . . I work 2 part-time jobs to supplement my husband's full-time income and I voted for Obama. In fact, I work from home and was working most of the evening while I watched the returns coming in, much to my delight.

    Please do not insult those who happen to vote Democrat (by the way, I voted for several Republicans because I thought they would do the best job). Your comments kind of sum up why many people are disinfranchised from the Republican party. Time to abandon the elitist attitude.

  • Rand FLAGSTAFF, AZ
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:29 a.m.

    WestGranger,

    What did we learn tonight? That a tiny majority in popular vote results in a surprisingly crushing electoral win, that America is perfectly divided in who they wanted for president, and that those on the losing side of an election will immediately blame someone, anyone, everyone because they think far too much of their own opinion and subconsciously try to prove that misery loves company.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    Guess he should have released those tax returns!

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:12 a.m.

    Emajor,

    How is this for melodrama? Obama has increased our national debt by 5.3 trillion dollars. That is over $17,000 per man, woman and child in the US. That is a new car for every person in the US.

    Unemployment is worse now than it was under Bush.

    Wages are flat, inflation is high. Healthcare is anything but affordable under the "Affordable Healthcare Act"

    And the president started a war with a middle-east oil dictator whose sons were willing participants in the brutality. Funny enough, the citizens of the country attack and kill the Americans that helped freed them. And he got a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Go ahead eMajor, say what you are going to say. This country is in a pit, and instead of getting out we collectively decided to dig in deeper. At this borrowing rate, in four more years he will have borrowed us an SUV, not a midsized four door.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:15 a.m.

    Obama and company used my money, your money, and future generations' money to buy a constituency, and it worked. We now have more people than ever on social/welfare programs, and they're not about to bite the hand that feeds them. Most of those big electoral college states have a huge percentage of people who depend on government for many things, and they sure don't mind stealing it from the rest of us--particularly when big media encourages this movement. It's as simple as that. Meanwhile, we have people like Matheson who try to LOOK conservative, but stand around and watch while it all happens. The people of Utah SAY they don't like career politicians, but they continue to vote them in and keep them there. So there you go. Lots of people and resources politics, not much really committed to the people who work and produce.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:50 a.m.

    Well Folks, Its Over.

    So now we have 2 choices.

    - Hope the president fails and the country falters. Insure that Obama gets nothing good done and no "wins". Look for the bad in everything the other party does. Put politics over country.

    OR OR OR

    - Suck it up and move forward. Look to find common ground. Hope and work for what is best for the country. Ask our congress to work together and get things done.

    What is more important? Your party or your country? Are you patriotic? If so, what does that mean to you?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:33 a.m.

    Oh, good grief. Pipe dreams. Utter silliness. For example, Leavitt and Jowers? Would never have happened. I guess if Utah puts all its eggs in one basket, it has to live with the consequences.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:13 a.m.

    With the vitriol and lies employed by right wing ideologues in this election, it sure is tempting to "spike the football" in their petty faces. But that is not what we need. We need to come together and do what is best for the future of this country.

    Republicans have a choice to make. You can be sore losers, and wine and gripe and obstruct for the next four years, ignoring the lessons of this election, OR you can roll up your sleeves and get on board to make a positive contribution to the betterment of this great nation.

    Continuing to be "the party of No" will only hurt your chances in 2016.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    WestGranger: I also live in Granger part of West Valley and DISAGREE with your summary. Yes, Utah lost because Utah is a one-party state - with the exception of Jim Matheson, Ben McAdams, and aa few local races.

    We learned that Republicans play just as dirty as Democrats as vividly illustrated by the ads the Super PACs ran against Jim Matheson and Mia Love. On the other hand, ads produced by the candidates were reasonable.

    America recognized that Barack Obama IS the best man for President at this time.

  • jst sayin West Valley City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:20 a.m.

    Wow....I love how the Hippocrates are out in full force today....I am not a Republican or a Democrat, but it doesn't matter we are all "entitled" to our opinions. Had Obama lost you all would have been belly aching too. Let's all grow up and let people have their opinion, even if it isn't your opinion doesn't mean it is any less important.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    The problem with the Right is that many of their most influential leaders, at a young and impressionable age, read Ayn Rand and over time come to believe her fictional cartoon caricature actually resembled a large portion of our country (moochers vs. producers).

    Given all the facts in their favor they should have trounced Obama and taken control of all three branches of government. But Americans don't like delusional ideologues and until the Right marginalizing these folks, nights like last night could become the norm.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    Park City Aggie Right on. Time to end the tea party and return to reality. Republicans can start by with immigration. The harsh tea party rhetoric alienated millions of hispanic voters and most likely cost Romney the election. Time to be honest with the American people. Booting Grover Nordquist and any politian who signs his ridiculous pledges out of the party would be a good start. There is no feasible way to reduce the deficit without a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. It's time to end the partisan gridlock in congress and start putting America first. Mia love lost because she was way to partisan and had no intention of working with dems on any issue. There is a huge income inequality in this country. Romney never could never relate to the poor or those struggling just to survive. Nobody cared that his wife drove two Cadillacs. I voted for Romney, dissapointed he lost. Last night I was talking to my best friend about the election. He predicted a Romney landside. How out of touch with reality does the far right have to be. Enough of the conspiracy theories.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    "Is Mitt Romney's loss Utah's loss?"

    Is Barack Obama's win America's loss? Is the Pope Catholic?

  • Mahonri Albuquerque, 00
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    This article just reaffirms my suspicions about a Mormon President bringing in more Mormons into his administration. I'm thankful it turned out the way it did.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    Utah has got to wake up to reality. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and the Tea Party are fear mongers. The ultra conservative positions held by this cadre are hurting the Republic Party and the our state. The only thing "Hanging by a thread" is Utah's national credibility.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    Well, America doesn't deserve a better future if they can't vote for it when they see it. Here's to four more years of fiscal mismanagment, Obamacare, horrible foreign policy, no wait, he's great with some countries, but those that are in the best interest of the American people? Forget about it!!!! The inmates have the asylum for four more years.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    West granger wrote:

    "What did we learn tonight? Nice guys finish last and dirty character assassination campaigns work...barely. This is not Utah's loss. This is the failure of America to recognize who was the best man to do the job. Time will prove it."

    If you are Republican, you probably didn't learn a thing, and that is why you lost the Whitehouse and made no inroads into the Senate, and barely held the House.

    If Republicans "learned", they wouldn't have foisted Romney (a liberal in sheep's clothing) and Ryan (a TeaPartier) into the nomination; they wouldn't have marginalized over half of Americans, whether it was Latinos, Women, the poor, or the infamous 47% Romney so despised.

    So save your bitterness and sour grapes. Fear mongering didn't win the election, and it won't help anything now.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    Romney's loss was DEFINITELY Utah's loss, and not because of Leavitt. The rest of us and our descendants will be paying for Obama's win for generations to come. Leavitt and his family should do just fine, but the middle-class workers and small businesses that are still trying to make it all work will continue to suffer greatly. But many will just ignore it and look forward to the weekends, the ball games, and all the other fluff. "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."--Winston Churchill

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    America awoke today with a big sigh of relief, though in the end it wasn't even close. The message of the GOP was soundly defeated in just about every major race across the country. Intolerance and divisiveness were not tolerated. The days of those that preach that dogma are nubered. There will be mid term elections in 2 years and they will be ousted in droves. Secularism and diversity are just 2 things that make America such a great country!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Wonderful news is greeted with hateful vitriol in Utah.

    Ah, well . . . . .

  • Bankshot7 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    When Utah legislators (Mormons) pass alcohol related laws that are considered inhibiting compared to other states, it resonates in the press. When tourists come to Utah and are subjected to laws that seem designed to move your actions and morals toward becoming a member of “the state majority” it is relayed to their fellow friends and neighbors upon their return to “reality” back home. It is considered normal for adults to drink alcohol, coffee, and tea. When they are considered less than first class humans here in Utah for doing the same, it resonates. A Mormon president is impossible to consider when the impression has been instilled that he will lead all of Americana into the land of Zion and we will all be forced to bend to the will of the LDS doctrine and Word of Wisdom. That concept is unfathomable to those of other faiths or even no faith. This opinion is so well in-trenched that there will never be a LDS president until it can be trusted that the LDS religion can stop thrusting their morals onto the general public. In other words, Live and let Live.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    I believe the best way to move forward is to follow Mitt's example in his concession speech and honestly congratulate President Obama and earnestly pray for him and our nation. At the same time, it would be prudent to work diligently to put our own houses in order.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    There's a lot of "sour grapes" here!

    I'm glad we American's have such dignity.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    I guess alot of you will be moving to Canada. Have fun with their health care.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Good Lord, what have we done. Our country cannot take four more years of this man. If we can't elect an honorable, hard-working, brilliant man like Gov. Romney, then we really deserve another four years under Obama descending ever further into economic irrelevance. I would like to share a fact-based argument as I've usually done ad nauseum on here, but I'm just not in the mood and I've come to the unavoidable conclusion that facts aren't motivating many on the left; it's really a "what's in it for me" mentality. I'm really not bitter or even spiteful towards the left, really. I am just very, very scared of what our country is going to look like in four years. I'm not sure even the perfect candidate will be able to fix things and reverse the damage by then. I am very, very scared that America's glory days of economic, religious, political and moral greatness are behind us. And I'm wishing very, very hard that I am ultimately proven wrong.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Mitt Romney’s national ambitions represent little more than a nihilistic pursuit of power for power’s sake.
    No one knows for sure how he would govern because he very likely doesn’t, either.
    He has been on both sides of nearly every issue of substance not merely throughout his career,
    but sometimes during this campaign.
    Yes, all politicians trim, hedge, occasionally even change their minds.
    With Romney it is a characterological defect.
    His utter lack of intellectual honesty — indeed of any recognizable intellectual core whatsoever —
    is not something that should be rewarded even in a political system as shallow and dysfunctional as ours.

  • Ett Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    I voted for Romney and Ryan, but they lost. The curious thing is, Obama didn't win. He only managed a tie. He still has the Senate, but didn't get the house. Now that he's unable to run again, he'll have to play nice with the Republicans, because their hands are on the purse strings, for at least two more years. The Democrats will bluster and point fingers, shouting about the impending disaster of not having a budget. The Republicans are in the position to thumb their nose and say, "tough!" History shows we've gone under before and survived. We'll survive again.
    All Obama can do now, is play nice with hat in hand, or risk damaging the Democrats hold on the Senate and House. Boehner has already made it clear, major tax hikes won't fly. This means Obama has to come up with another plan.

  • gilham Holladay, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    The Gadiaton Robbers are now in complete control of the Executive Office. Does anyone REALLY believe that the country is now going to go forward and get better for the middle class?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Yes! If you make dire predictions and threats to attempt to win an election, you are stuck with a loss and your dire predictions. Leavitt will have to party in Cedar city on grape from tons and tons of sour grapes.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Why do many Mormons disregard the counsel in the Book of Mormon to help the poor and the needy? The Brethren stated quite clearly that there is good in the platforms of both parties.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    The silence is deafening here in Saint George this morning.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    @ Voice of Reason

    You, Sir or Madam, are blind to what the nation's voters saw.
    You like Romney because your club like him, and tells you to do so as well.

    But the voters saw lies, stances-of-the-day, and decided a salesman belongs in sales, not in the White House.

    When will the GOP put a candidate forward with anything of value to offer?
    McCain? Hardly.
    Palin? A horrible idea from the gate.
    Romney? Sorry, no snake oil for us normal people, thank you.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    "The Brethren stated quite clearly that there is good in the platforms of both parties."

    Is that really something that you need to have pointed out to you by the "brethren"?

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    Mike in Sandy...sound like you've been watching too much main stream media.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Well...

    It looks like in addition to Pres. Obama keeping his job,
    Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck will be keeping their jobs as well [they depend on him too.]

    Meanwhile - Grow up.

    Just like High School kids electing a Student Body Officer,
    after the election is over, remember, we all still belong and attend the same High School.

    You start trashing America because YOUR guy didn't win,
    is like trashig your High School because your guy didn't win.
    It's called TREASON.

    Grow-up.
    Sour Grapes.....

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Is the word for Republicans going forward to keep obstructing and maligning this president because he was audacious enough to win a second term with the help of the little people? One suspects that Rush Limbaugh and disgruntled conservatives will continue to try and make Obama a "failed president". They would prefer to punish Obama in whatever way they can instead of working with him to solve the problems of America. Even Romney's appeal to work together will fall on deaf, Republican ears because the animosity is so great. So many hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent whipping the Republican faithful into a froth, how will they ever find a way to work together and compromise for the common good.

    One suspects the birther nonsense will remain a bulwork of conservative ideology. Obama will continue to be cast as "The Other". Laments that he is "destroying" America will become a continuing theme with Fox News and the wingnut talking heads of Right-Wing media. And the Far Right will begin to eat their young, claiming that because Romney wasn't "really" one of them, the Republican's failed. And reality, once again, will elude the Republlican Party.

  • toshi1066 OGDEN, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    I voted for Obama, had Jon Huntsman run, I would have voted for him.

    Republican party: lose the far right whackos and the Tea Party, they are not the solid, rational types on which to build your campaign platform. Stop fretting over a man's birth certificate, stop worrying about complete strangers having sex, stop fretting that some woman getting medicine for endometriosis might take advantage of the hormones and have pre-marital sex, people have been doing that since the beginning and will continue to do it.

    Get BACK to your hard stands on crime, do some REAL job creation, you know like making sure that Wal mart employees don't have to go on food stamps to live, fund education, because keeping kids in school is the best route to keeping them employed an out of jail. Basically return to your roots and be the strong rational party you once were.

  • Ying Fah Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    patriot Cedar Hills, UT

    Do you know the definition of }paranoid psychotic"? What will you say when time has passed and the destruction of America you predict doesn't occur? The strident warnings of "doom and gloom" fearmongering has become more only sour grapes and the whining of sore losers.

    Unfortunately, the DesNews 'Letters to the Editor' page and the accompanying comments section will continue to have the onslaught of anti-Obama rhetoric for the next four years. The birthers nonsense will continue. The accusation of Obama as "The Other" will continue. The idea that Obama is not a "real" American will continue. The conservative talking points for the election will continue. Even after all this has been debunked by the news factcheckers, the movement conservatives and wingnuts writing here will continue to express their nonsense since they don't want to believe anything different.

    But that's all OK. Obama has another four years. That's what really matters.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Throughout America last night, we heard a huge sigh of relief.

  • Utejazz West Valley City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Hey it's okay that Obama won... I mean I wanted the world to end within 4 years anyway.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    "America woke up with a big sigh of relief . . . " Yeah, you think Santa Claus is still out there waiting to give you everything you want with no work involved. All he has to do is steal it from someone else first. But he's getting good at THAT, so until it's all gone (and I mean literally GONE), you can keep playing that game of make believe.

  • Fishback Salt Lake City, Ut
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Mike, time to come home and sell insurance.

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    RE: Patriot
    The ignorance shown in your post is truly astounding. The Fed recently announced that interest rates will stay at their historic lows for the foreseeable future. That means for at least the next 18 months.
    You should also read the Constitution sometime. In it you will find that ALL spending bills must come from the House of Representatives. Republicans control the House so it really is up to your party to work with the president and fix our debt problem. Yelling and screaming that the sky is falling won't do anyone any good. Stop complaining and predicting doom and gloom and do something to help.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    @worf
    "Obama now has more flexibility."

    Uh, the senate can still filibuster and the house is still Republican. He doesn't have more flexibility at all.

    @Oh, please!
    "We are doomed to go further into the abyss of economic collapse and we may NEVER recover"

    Oh please... we've gained private sector jobs 33+ months in a row and counting with these leaders. We've heading in the right direction. Sure it's slower than we'd like but we're moving in the right direction, not further into any abyss.

    @WestGranger
    "Nice guys finish last and dirty character assassination campaigns work"

    Hah, that's funny, you actually think Romney ran a clean campaign...

    @patriot
    "All I can say is America will soon find out what Greece already knows and then what?"

    This years' deficit is 200 billion less than last years' deficit. Besides, Romney's 5 trillion dollar tax cut (that he never outlined how he would fully pay for since what he said he would do only covers about 1/3 of that) and 2 trillion dollar defense spending hike bringing defense spending to levels unseen since WWII would not have done anything to help the deficit.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    @Red Headed Stranger
    "inflation is high. "

    That's not true, it's been near 2% a year under Obama.

    "Funny enough, the citizens of the country attack and kill the Americans that helped freed them"

    You must've missed the large gatherings in the streets in the days after the attack where Libyans expressed sorrow for the attacks and condemned the attacks on our embassy. Most Libyans support the US. It was the radicals who launched the attack, the radicals are in the minority. I'll just assume you're too busy exploiting a tragedy to actually pay attention to the situation.

    "This country is in a pit"

    33+ straight months of private sector job gains...

    "At this borrowing rate, in four more years he will have borrowed us an SUV, not a midsized four door."

    The annual deficit has decreased each of the past 3 years under Obama (2010 2011 2012 budgets).

  • justired Fillmore, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    thanks tea-partiers and ron paul for giving us 4 more years

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    The whining is unbelieveable! The doom and gloom crowd is out in force. No wonder America rejected your vision of things. You left a mess when your guy left office in 2008, handed it to Obama who has made good progress in addressing your mess, and then you blame him for the mess YOU created. You are mad because he did not clean up your mess fast enough, even though you fought every effort to fix things. The apocolyptic predictions are absurd beyond belief. Grow up, people. If there is a threat to the nation, it comes from the right wing.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    I would like to suggest that everyone commenting on this thread, keep a copy and look at it four years from now. Doing the same for your favorite pundit(s) might be equally enlightening.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    The Biggest US Welfare States

    #1 - California
    #2 - Maine
    #3 - Tennessee
    #4 - Massachusetts
    #5 - Vermont
    #6 -District of Columbia
    #7 - New York
    #8 - Minnesota
    #9 - Washington
    #10 - New Mexico

    In fact the top fifteen welfare states are, with two exceptions, Democrat.

    Which of those states went red on election day? - Tennessee

    From CNBC Website

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    The only downers on this day is that Hatch and Herbert won.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    To "Salsa Libre" maybe the Republicans will treat Obama just like the Democrats treated Bush. Hopefully, they won't do that, but instead will work for what is best for the US, and not for Obama's plans that so far have given us the following:

    Downgraded national credit rating, 2 times
    Billions lost to bailouts
    increased cost of health insurance
    increased cost of government regulation
    emboldened enemies
    US aid given to known terrorist organizations
    Printing our way to prosperity
    Government sponsored gun running to Mexico
    The preventable death of an ambassator.
    A polarized nation
    Lowest labor participation rate since 1980
    7.8% unemployment afer starting with 7.2%
    $5 Trillion in new debt in less than 4 years.
    Wars in Africa
    Warrentless wiretapping being made legal
    Authorization to detain citizens indefinately
    Bush policies on steroids.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    Congratulations America, the looters have won.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Downgraded national credit rating, 2 times - GOP debt ceiling block
    Billions lost to bailouts - GOP started
    increased cost of health insurance - Been increasing for years
    increased cost of government regulation - subjective
    emboldened enemies - like Bin Laden?
    US aid given to known terrorist organizations - Blah blah
    Printing our way to prosperity - been happening for years
    The preventable death of an ambassator. - handled poorly by Obama Admin
    A polarized nation - this is new?
    Lowest labor participation rate since 1980. Lost 4 million jobs in first 6 months. Obamas fault?
    7.8% unemployment afer starting with 7.2% - see above
    $5 Trillion in new debt in less than 4 years.
    Wars in Africa
    Warrentless wiretapping being made legal - GOP implemented program
    Authorization to detain citizens indefinately - GOP implemented program
    Bush policies on steroids. - Yes, but you all loved bush at the time.

    I will admit that Obama is a lot like Bush. Funny how suddenly Bush policies are socialistic.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 7, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    To "JoeBlow" I don't think you understand much aboout what Obama has overseen. The downgraded credit could have been avoided by NOT SPENDING so much in the first place. The 2008 canidate Obama said that $400 billion deficits were unpatriotic, what does that make his deficits?

    The bailouts were started with the aid of President elect/Senator Obama.

    Insurance increased by 10% because of Obamacare

    July 2011, the Obama administration added regulations cost businesses $9.5 billion

    Enemies like Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Hamas.

    Quantitative easing, printing money to cover debt, started under Obama.

    Look at the research, the nation is the most polarized it has seen in decades, see reports by PBS, CNN, and others

    Labor participation rate is the number of people working plus looking to work. People are giving up on employment.

    The Warrentles wiretapping was to have ended, but Obama made it permanent.

    Obama authorized the indefinate detention program. See "With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens" at ABC news.

    I didn't love Bush at the time. Bush screwed up things too, you just didn't realize that the conservatives were yelling at him too.

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 7, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Ha, thanks Grundle!! You got it.

    I love Greece!!

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 7, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    For all the BoM analogies, remember when the entire nation "went" Lamanite...

    When you place your trust in political gods, this is what you get. Check your budget four years from now. Your kids will still have college debt and be even less religious. Nice job, America.

  • donn layton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    RE: atl134", Funny enough, the citizens of the country attack and kill the Americans that helped freed them"
    (Benghazi),This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” said Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer. “According to my sources, yes, [Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this.”
    The issue is always political with the White House, but the secretary of defense gives the order, has to be approved by the White House, they wouldn’t pull the trigger, and it’s disgraceful,” said military analyst Col. David Hunt. “We’ve got guys dead.”

    In 1969-70, I guarded airplanes in Thailand(635th SPS) there were firefights in the jungle and a couple buildings were blown up on the flight-line.

    The only comfort I had was if we came under heavy attack the Army Airborne was nearby to support us and singha beer.. It never occurred to me that they would stand down.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Hillary in 2016!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Marget Thatcher once said "the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Greece and Portugal are already there. We are getting close. Mike in Sandy, what is the point of electing Hillary in 2016 if there is nothing left to steal?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    To all you Obama voters, and lovers,

    Hope I'm wrong about him. I'd rather be a fool than to live in a destroyed country. There's no George Bush to blame anymore, just Congress, and who ever else that can be found.

    We'll see who is smiling in the next four years when the secrets of Obama care is revealed.

  • fuziz Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    GOP - Listen to Huntsman, not the far right, or the religious right. I am a fiscally conservative, social moderate independent voter. There are lots of us out there, and we are reluctantly voting for democrats. I think that Romney wanted to be a good, moderate president. His record in Mass. is probably most telling of how he would have governed. But he had to go so far right to appease the so-called "base" that it was hard to trust that he really was a moderate by the time it came to the general election.
    The far right is like Darth Vader, "come to the dark side, let your anger control you." I hope the GOP does not listen
    Finally, Chaffez's comment that Romney would have worked with the GOP on "state lands" reveals a concern I had with Romney. Because of his ties to Utah's GOP, he might have let Utah steal federal lands. (Look up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Utah Enabling Act). Utah cannot afford them. How would another $40m in firefighting costs for the state have felt this summer? And it would jeopardize our recreation industry and quality of life.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    Congratulations, America. Obama is now completely free to be who he truly is. No more accountability to voters; no more worrying about swing state polls; no more having to tell the current Russian dictator "patience, I have to wait to give you what you want until the American people can't fire me any more".

    This may be a real blessing in disguise in the long run, since we're about to see what a truly progressive, radical-left administration is capable of doing without fear of being fired. Perhaps that is what it will take to finally wake America up to the evils of socialist progressivism...because I fear that is exactly where Obama is going to go.

    So congratulations, America. Or at least the 50% who voted for him. You own this. Obama owns the economy lock, stock & barrel. No more excuses. No more blaming Bush. Oh, I'm sure he'll try when the inevitable malaise sets in. But perhaps only then will America wake up and find out that voting for Santa Claus means you have to pay for your stocking stuffers & presents in the end. And the cost may be more than you can ever afford.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    ATL134

    "The annual deficit has decreased each of the past 3 years under Obama (2010 2011 2012 budgets)."

    You are wrong. From the Whitehouse's website, the document called
    Fiscal Year 2013; Historical Tables; Budget of the US Government

    Table 1.1 pg 23

    2010 1.293 trillion
    2011 1.299
    2012 1.326 (estimate)
    As you can see, 2010 to 2012 the deficit increased each year. Look for at least 4-5 trillion more in 4 more years

    Yes, but the Ambassador is still dead, and American warplanes stopped Libyan bombers from leveling the town and they still attacked. Bush removed a murderous tyrant from Iraq and Al-Qaida moved in to attack Americans. Iraqi millitants are in the minority also. Yet it is ok to politicize Iraq and Katrina but not ok to question Libya and Sandy? When then is it ok evaluate and point out Obama missteps?

    "33+ straight months of private sector job gains.."

    The Unemployment rate is still higher than when he took office, and that is even before considering the workforce participation rate, which means unemployment is really above 10%. Less than 100K a month won't keep pace with population growth.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    FUZIZ writes

    " I am a fiscally conservative, social moderate independent voter."

    Put me in that camp also

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    It would be very interesting indeed if there was a way to accurately count up all the votes cast by Obama and Romney supporters who are on entitlements in each individual state. I would like to know what Obama apologists estimate as the percentage of the total population who are on entitlements who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Any takers?

  • Nuschler1 Atlanta, GA
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    @Red Headed Stranger..listening to Rush and unfair and unbalanced news I see..

    The country went into deep recession in 2008 UNDER Cheney and Dubya's rule.

    NEW YORK (The Economist.com) -- "The hemorrhaging of American jobs accelerated at a record pace at the end of 2008, bringing the year's total job losses to 2.6 million or the highest level in more than six decades.

    A sobering U.S. Labor Department jobs report Friday showed the economy lost 524,000 jobs in December and 1.9 million in the year's final four months, after the credit crisis began in September.

    The total number of unemployed Americans rose by 632,000 to 11.1 million."

    November,2008 in which 584,000 jobs were lost, and December, 2008 marked the first time in the 70-year history of the report in which the economy lost more than 500,000 jobs in consecutive months.

    And exactly which war did Obama start a war with a middle-east dictator...What in the world are you talking about? Obama got us OUT of Iraq and soon out of Afghanistan! Romney told Israel he would have a pre-emptive strike against Iran!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    To "fuziz" what is wrong with the liberals and their ilk.

    You said "The far right is like Darth Vader, "come to the dark side, let your anger control you." Which in fact is more like the things that Obama has said.

    Last Saturday, Obama told voters to vote for hime to enact REVENGE on the GOP, while Romney encouraged people to vote out of love for country.

    There was the incident where Obama told hispanic voters to take revenge on Republicans.

    There is also the whole "fair share" isue where Obama is inciting anger against the wealthy by telling people that the rich have stolen money from them.

    You may think that conservatives are like Darth Vader, but the liberals are on the record acting like the Emperor.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    To "Nuschler1" lets see, Obama started a war against Mubarak and Gadaffi, and is supplying arms to Syrian rebels.

    So, that is a total of 3 dictators that Obama has started wars with.

    Also, the exit from Iraq was part of a Bush era treaty. Obama just happened to be President at the time, he did absolutely nothing to get the troops out of Iraq.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    I think that Romney's loss is our gain! people complain about Obama, but I think it did rather well considering the shape we were put in by the Bush Administration. He carried out his plan and he did not fail, despite all the hate filled efforts made by republicans. Romeney would have made a terrible President. About the only things he promised were to cut all programs that give aid and, of course, he woukld then take that income and give it to the rich in the form of more tax deductions. Being Mormon doesn't automatically make someone good and it doesn't mean that they should automatically become President. Romeney would have given us more of what Bush dished out, and we wouldn't survive that for long. For some strange reason, people in this state feel that to be a good Mormon, you need to be a republican. Mitt did himself in when his true feelings about Americans surfaced on those videos! How could anyone think he would have been good for us! How? Personaly, I don't think he has been a good example of being Mormon either.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Can we stop with the "Bush caused all Obama's problems" lie already!? I had my issues with Bush for sure, like the debt train he put us on. But Obama just continued that and put us on the debt space shuttle to the stars. Substantively, Obama really didn't change much of anything from Bush...he just made it much, much bigger. Bigger spending. Bigger debt. Bigger "stimulus", i.e. debt spending.

    And RFLASH, Romney never would have "given" money to the rich...that is classic, classic leftist fallacy. He wouldn't even give them a tax cut! He'd just keep economy and jobs-killing tax hikes from happening. It is so typical for leftists to think of all money in the economy as "theirs" to give & take, as in it's "giving" money to the rich to allow them to keep more of their OWN money instead of taking it with taxes. And how many times through history must it be shown in the real world that economies grow when $$$ are in the hands of private industry FAR more than when those $$$ are in the hands of government?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    re: patriot 12:16 a.m. Nov. 7, 2012

    "Imaging if you can 20% interest rates again (Jimmy Carter era). Image your car loan or home loan. It scares me and it should scare you too. Too late now."

    If Bernanke remains calling the shots then Interest rates should remain low. I don't know about you but my mortgage is @ a fixed rate and only a fool would get an ARM .

    What we do have to worry about is Wall St acting as petulant as some of the psoters here. Thereby, tanking our 401(k)'s because one of their ilk isn't POTUS.