"The severe sentence imposed on protestors for trespassing in a Moscow
church — the court called it “hooliganism” — may at
first glance seem like an odd focal point for a U.S. religious freedom advocate.
The punkers were, after all, behaving somewhat irreligiously."What?The acts of these punkers were so obscene on the Church they would
have been arrested in San Francisco let alone Russia. They can't even show
the video on the U.S. news. Everyone in the world should be protected from
protestors like these. Religion is not the only issue here.
Why are the efforts of this group focusing only on international religious
freedom. It seems to me that they should focus at least some on the attack on
religious freedom here by the Obama administration. Forcing the Cathlic church
to coveer abortions and contreceptives in their health care coverage is only a
small part of the abuse of government. And how will those same mandates affect
LDS church's health care covarage?
I had to chuckle that the reporter wove a story including the Russian punk rock
group that must not be named. Modesty points for the Deseret News.
5,How is recognizing individual choice an attack on religious
freedom? Does the freedom belong to the institutional Church or to individuals?
Couldn't we also view it as restraining a religious institution that wants
to remove coverage for legal medical practices and procedures? And
incidentally, birth control reduces abortions.
In an article about religious freedom, I find it interesting that the Deseret
News would censor the name of the group. What about freedom of speech? As for
religious freedom, does it include th right to vandalize a church? That's
what the "punk rock group that cannot be named" did.
John H,The punk group in question sang a salacious little tune about
Putin and danced around the altar. The Church called it "blasphemy,"
not vandalism. But whatever they did, does it warrant a two-year prison
sentence? The women have been denied bail throughout the process.
In addition, I find it interesting that when an article reveals that the Putin
regime is cracking down hard on dissidents and violating human rights, and that
an LDS woman is assisting in the battle to preserve those sacred rights, the
single item that some Desnews readers ring their hands over is the name of the
I wonder if George is conflicted by his apparently contradictory views on
multiculturalism and Russia’s extremism laws. It is possible that the
Russian law goes too far – persecuting Jehovah’s Witnesses seems
beyond the pale – but it may also be a valid attempt to protect their
country from faiths that, for example, believe the surest way to eternal
paradise is to kill an infidel. He seems to acknowledge this later when he
states there is nothing wrong with “protecting people from bad acts that
are done in the name of religion.” This is the dark underbelly
of institutionalized religious tolerance – our own western liberal views
and laws may be protecting views that are deranging people into performing acts
of pure evil. Not sure where to draw the line, but my gut tells me it is north
of tolerance of views like these.
"They can't even show the video on the News here"? So Obscene?
Vandalism? Sorry, the event can be viewed online. I watched it and did not see
anything that was obscene or vandalized. Though I'm sure the lyrics (in
russian) may have been obscene and the actions of the group were inappropriate
for the setting, and likely inappropriate anywhere. We should count our
blessings that we enjoy freedom of speech in the US and should not fear
imprisonment if we say something contrary to the powers in government.What is obscene is that a lot of news that should be important to the american
people and the direction of our country is not delivered in mainstream media
news. In the US news we don't hear much about innocent deaths from US drone
strikes, Pvt. Bradley Manning, Wiki Leaks, blocking of govt. whistleblowers,
behind the scenes trade agreements, freedoms taken in the name of national
security...It's ironic that a russian sponsored news station
delivers this news online. It's good to get information from different
sources and perpectives.If Satan had been chosen to direct the
affairs of earth these obscenities would not have been allowed.
In the US news we don't hear much about innocent deaths from US drone
strikes, Benghazi, and other Obama Issues. If this were Romney, we will. We
heard all the numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. Can you remember when
the mainstream press listed the number of deaths in Afghanistan? 2/3rds of which
are in the last four years.
Religion. Freedom. Anathema.
It always amazes me how people will try to tie any article about anything into
their hate filled views on Obama. If dinner didn't turn out right, it is
because of the EPA and Obama's hatred of coal.Why in the world
could the discussion stay about the topic, this woman and the work she does.
Nope... this was secretly about Obama's secret obsession to
destroy religion in the country.
Cool work. Glad they are making the world better.
I wonder where the conservatives who espouse Religous Freedom, were when Muslims
wanted an Islamic Cultural Center built in New York.I got reamed by
my fellow Latter-Day Saints here in Utah for supporting them.BTW -
Jesus taught us all about Karma....What goes around, comes around.
lib,where are all your muslim friends when communities try to block lds
temples from being built? lds are not victims. glad you are a liberal because
liberals always like to be portrayed as victims.
Irony... Dalai Lama (front & center in the photo accompanying the article)
IMO has the best grasp on moral/spiritual issues of any religious leader out
If she is truly concerned about religious freedom (and it seems she is), it
won't be long until she is a committed conservative.
Group 1 violates the rights of Group 2.Not only this, but they do it
extremely offensively way, on the Church's alter.Government punishes
group 1 for violating the law and doing so in a way that threatens the peaceful
and free practice of freedom of another group.Now a "Liberal
Mormon" is considered newsworthy for saying that religious freedom is
somehow threatened by the legal action taken here. That somehow group 1 is a
victim here.This is a derailment of rational thought. With respect,
I don't believe the Deseret News is reporting anything praiseworthy or of
good note here.If someone did this on an alter in an LDS Temple, the
Deseret News would have had a different viewpoint. I'm not even saying we
shouldn't forgive them or that 2 years isn't a heavy sentence. But
we're not talking about punishing a small act, but a serious violation of
the religious freedom of others. To even suggest that these criminals are
somehow victims here is disappointing to me.I respect what is sacred
to other religious peoples, not just my own. It isn't free speech to
violate someone else's property rights to protest them.
The mormons and the Jewish are not the only communities who suffered persecution
... if you look at the world history .... many communities have and still do,
not just them ..... and sometimes by these very same communities who claim to be
the only victims of persecutionWhat about the persecution of women
in the name of religions or the abuse of women by men all over the world, the
religions men some times being the worse in the abuse and oppressionOr what about the persecution of free and atheist women by religious people
?We witness everyday how some religions feel justified in the name
of God to lapidate women or forbid them from working or having access to
contraception because men, who have excluded women from the religious debate,
make the rule in their favour or at the expense of women's views and
freedoms and voice.... really i wonder some times who is the most persecuted in
this world ..To be continued
ContinuationFurther..... some times atheist and unreligious people
have better and more moral values and far more humanity, even if their life is
not always perfect, than some religious people who declare and are convinced
that women should submit to men (what a mockery of love ) and hail polygamist as
moral and saints, while insulting women with the W letter for just tryig to live
and to love. In the end, some of these unbelieving people, who think that God
has done enough harm to women or others, may even have better families than the
religious ones.No wonder that many people, and women in particular,
have stopped believing that God will solve the world problem and certainly
theirs .... it seems that too often religious people use God to justify abuses,
particularly against those not of their faith or more liberal in their
lifestiles and, in a more general manner, against women.