I'm confused.Why don't you guys just play teams like USC,
Oregon, Arizona, UCLA... 8-9 times a year and then schedule some other random
teams?Or if USC, Oregon, UCLA aren't availalbe why not play 8-9
games a year against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State...etc?I can't figure out why BYU doesn't just join the Pac 12 or Big
12 and have meaning in your season, playing for a prestigious bowl?Can a byu fan please help me understand why a WAC championship is deemed
superior?Thank you in advance.
Scheduling changes are not unique to BYU, however, being newly Independent makes
frequent changes much more likely, since Holmoe has to schedule 12 games each
season, instead of only 3 or 4.
@ Chris BIt's been a long time Chris. Honestly thought that
you may have folded your hate-inflated role as a BYU troll.Perhaps
not.Honestly not quite certain what you and other anti-BYU trolls
(not going to dignify you by calling you a Ute-since you are not-just someone
who despises BYU) do not understand about the fact that BYU played five BCS
schools + Boise State this season to include Oregon State, Washington State,
Utah, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame (admittedly two top ten teams, one top twenty
team (BSU) and three BCS bottom feeder cream puffs). Sure we play 3-4 WAC
teams, but every school has their cream puff games (ex. Alabama with Florida
Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and Western Carolina).And next years
schedule is even more ambitious with six BCS Schools scheduled to include Texas,
Notre Dame, Washington State, Boise State, Wisconsin, and Georgia Tech. Even
you gotta be impressed eh Chris?? Now all BYU needs to do is
insure that we have an offense and probably a new OC that matches up with their
@Chris BFirst of all, I don't know why I even bother responding
because after having seen you constantly post negative comments on BYU articles
for a long time you are obviously just trollin' but the answer to your
questions is simple, it is because neither the P12 or B12 has invited BYU to
join their conference. So to make the best of the situation they have BYU is
independent which is better than being in the WAC or the MWC, and in my opinion
also better than the BE.As to your comment about the WAC
championship, this is clearly just a trolling line because if you look at their
planned schedules for the future with the info currently out there they are
nothing like a "WAC schedule"
A bit confused by title of article. Do you mean scheduling changes or coaching
personnel changes? Almost sounds like Holmoe was referring to shakeups with
the staff, ie. a new OC? Or maybe he was implying that Andy Reid is coming to
save our offense!Wouldn't that be amazing: Reid as OC and Asst
Head Coach and Bronco as DC and Head Coach??
Also another question of AD Holmoe: is it true that BYU turned down an
opportunity to play Ohio State and Urban Meyer to open the 2013 season? Say it
ChrisB is obviously someone who cries out for attention in any way he can get
it. To bad he has no life except the comment wall
Why in the world would Andy Reid want to be the OC at BYU? It would
be an incredible step down in money and prestige. I also think Bronco's
approach would drive him nuts.
Chris B"I'm confused."Understatement of the
century.Utah doesn't play 8-9 games a year against teams like
USC, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA... the Utes also play teams like Northern Colorado,
Colorado and Washington State.If the Utes did play 8-9 games a year
against teams like USC, Oregon, and Stanford, the Utes would be lucky to win 2
or 3 games a year.You do realize, don't you, that the Utes
haven't had a road win against a PAC team with a winning record since the
90's?Didn't think so.
What are the teams?And BYU Cougees point fingers at Utah for
schedule changes. Get used to it. Conference teams will look
elsewhere and change agreements with BYU.
Oh, where to start? "Such is the life of an athletic director of an
independent football program — particularly at BYU." How about such is
the life of a novice-independent football program. I believe our Cougs may have
been a bit presumtuous that other teams would be knocking on their door. It
turns out it's us doing the knocking ... and fortunately our WAC brethren
have answered. "I see teams that schedule games for 2020 and
2021 ... I've got to get the 2013 schedule done." And that's
exactly what happens to well-established independent programs, like the military
academies and Notre Dame. This season has been a good schedule for the team
& program, but we need to keep building off of it and improve (tougher
schedule) each season; not take steps back. I understand that a lot of these
games are out of the Cougs hands because of "conference commitments"
other teams we're scheduled to play must play. But that had to been
anticipated by Holmoe & Company when they made the change."We get great exposure." Hmmm. Pretty embarrased by the exposure of
the Utah, Utah State & Boise State games.
upinthenightTeams change scheduling agreements all the time and just
because you're in a conference doesn't mean a team like USC likes
playing U anymore than U liked playing Wyoming when U were in the WAC.You're only kidding yourself if you think that other teams are lining up
around the block for the opportunity to play Utah.
WOW! Read the writing on the wall. Holmoe can't wait for Riley to
graduate! At least thats what I read between the lines. Doman's style of
offense does not suit the AD and he might be out as well. Riley is a great
leader and one of the best rushing QB's BYU has seen but the kid can't
throw the football consistently and we desperately need the passing attack as
the key part of our offense.
If I remember correctly Holmoe's first hire was Anae as offensive
coordinator even before Bronco was offered the job. Doman was Bronco's
hire. Maybe Holmoe thinks Doman is over his head as a new OC and a brand new
Bishop and has some suggestions for Bronco. I personally think that Brandon is
coming along fine and growing into his job. It's been a tough learning
curve for sure. Combine Doman's and Bronco's poor choices along with
some injuries to the OL and DL and and Sorenson the kicker and it makes for a
lack of consistancy and some tough adjustments during the season.
So. Cal ReaderWho's "we"? Got a mouse in your
pocket?A true BYU fan would know that BYU BEAT Utah State and was
hardly "embarrassed" by either Boise State or Utah.Nobody
ever said that scheduling as an Independent was going to be easy. Even Notre
Dame has used scheduling agreements with the Big East and now the ACC to help
simply the process.The bottom line for BYU is the upside of escaping
the MTN, having an exclusive contract with ESPN, being able to retain
rebroadcast rights for all BYU home games, and not having to put up with the
lame leadership of Craig Thompson, has been well worth the downside of the
scheduling headaches attendant to being an Independent.
I'm delighted to read that Holmoe sees what I see but surprised he is this
outspoken. I'm a little concerned about scheduling changes for 2013.
It's a little late in the game. But comletely agree that something needs
to change on offense. I won't speculate what needs to change, but I
wouldn't be surprised by anything. Scheduling - Big East wants
us but we don't want to give up media rights. Can we get a 5 game deal
with the Big East like Notre Dame has with the ACC? It seems like this would be
a Win Win.WAC? I don't see a single game against a WAC
opponent on next years schedule. chrisb's accusations are old and
outdated. Time to find a new line.BCS? The BCS is all but dead.
The new format will be fairer for all. And will expand to an 8 team playoff
within a year or two.Oregon? Is not likely to make the NC if K
State, Notre Dame and Alabama stay undefeated. I'm betting on Alabama vs
Notre Dame, although I'd love to see a four team playoff this year.
What games fell through and why?
chrisb"Can a BYU fan please help me understand why a WAC
championship is deemed superior?"If you don't understand
the difference between being 0-1 in the WAC and winning a WAC championship I
can't help you, especially for a fan whose team that was only able to win
TWO conference championships in 38 years in the WAC, which will seem like a lot
compared to the number of PAC championships we can expect to see in the next 38
" ..... every team plays cream puffs .... "utah is one of
the pac "cream puffs". Sad.
Had a crazy thought, but what if Holmoe brings in a new head coach but keeps
Bronco as the defensive coordinator. It seems that Bronco despises being the
head coach and having to deal wiht media, with fans, etc. He is never happy.
Hardly ever smiles. It is like a huge pain for him to deal with boosters. The
whole thing seems to get him really grumpy. Maybe he would be better off just
being a defensive coordinator and giving those responsibilities to someone else
(maybe an Andy Reid, but I'm not sure why he'd come). Then he could
just stay on his side of the ball and kind of hybernate without having to deal
with people.It would definitely be a blessing to us fans. He is the
most boring person to listen to.
BYU just needs to get in a conference. Life would be so much easier. Not only
in Football, but all other sports as well.
The article talks about changes to the schedule. What games changed? Just want to know so I can change my plans. I am planning two road trips this
next year to see the Cougs in opposing stadiums and want to know what my
destination choices are. :)
I'm just excited to know that Nelson will be gone next year. That in and of
itself will make for a superior offense and a better season.
the future of BYU football fans - watch Idaho and Utah State at home and watch
the rest of the 'real' games on TV or radio. How is that independent
thing working out BYU fans? The U gets a steady dose of PAC 12 at home. I would
rather watch the U lose to USC in Salt Lake than watch BYU beat up on Weber
State at home. How about you??
College sports is money to universities and entertainment for fans, neither of
which are primary functions of legitimate universities. Try putting sports in
perspective as in the Ivy League.
What teams fell through.
patriotBeing a punching bag for the "real" teams of the PAC
12 will get old after awhile.It'll be interesting to see how
"excited" you are when the inevitable bowl-less streaks hit the U - it
happens to even the best teams in the PAC 12, and the Utes aren't anywhere
close to being one of the best teams.Look no further than the once
respected Runnin' Utes to see how quickly things can fall apart.Then look at how many conference championships Utah's football won from
1922 to 1964, and compare that to how many the Utes won from 1965 to 1995. Utah
has been on a steady downward spiral since 2008 and with most of your best
players graduating this year, there's not much hope for any improvement
next season.btw, Idaho and Weber State aren't on any of
BYU's future schedules, so how is watching them at home "the future of
BYU football"?Try basing your opinions on something other than
your fantasies and you'll see reality more clearly.
Looks like the writing is on the wall for a new OC in Provo. When Holmoe refers
to needed changes, he's not referring to the defense since it's the
strength of the program. Maybe Holmoe will force Bronco to bring in a full-time
defensive coordinator so Mendenhall can spend more time on overall program
management. But a new OC seems almost certainAlpine Coug, I guess
you'll have to get use to losing to a "BCS bottom feeder cream
puff" every year. What a shortsighted comment dude. Every time you or any
other BYU fan trashes the quality of the Utah football program it makes you look
foolish because the Utes own BYU.... not to mention the two BCS bowls in the
past 8 seasons.... hardly a bottom feeder cream puff.
As hard as it may seem, the Aggies are no longer cream puffs. They certainly
could be rated in the top 20 teams in the nation if they win out. The Cougars
win against the Aggies will be listed as one of their key wins of the year.The Aggies are on the rise.
I suspect with continual realignment there will always be scheduling changes
with the marquee teams not the puff's. Coaching change most likely would be
Reynolds retiring, moving some grad assistants, but possible additions of a DC,
and probably some offense changes. Really will not matter unless Bronco and
Holmoe are leaving. I am not a Bronco or Holmoe fan so I can hope. Bronco is no
LaVell. I have season tickets to Utah and BYU and this year has been great
football for me. I look forward to another exciting year in 2013.
What 2 games fell through? Is this known?
Not sure independence is working. Pick a conference and make football mean
something at BYU again. The 2012 season had now drawn to a close. It's
time for basketball!
Or Chris B could be talking about Bowl Game opportunities... BYU replaced the
WAC draw in the poinsetta bowl game. Poinsetta used to take the WAC champion,
now it takes BYU every year...(Could also just be trolling again)That being said, I have nothing bad to say about BYU's schedule, seems
pretty great to me, although I do see the advantages of being part of a
conference, even lesser conferences like the MWC or maybe the MAC (just beat 2
BCS conferences(ACC and Big East) in the conference rankings on ESPN). I just
don't think that BYU will draw enough talent or ever be good enough to
compete on a high level as an independent. They will go to the poinsetta bowl
every year for a long time... It would be awesome if they broke the BCS, but I
don't think they will have that much success... It would be awesome, but
its unlikely. BYU is gonna have a tough year next year... Those BCS teams
are solid, (Except Washington State). Should be a great season for them. And my Aggies get a shot at revenge... :) Should be great!
Agree that Doman seems to be growing into his job; just not sure we've got
the time. Would love to see Bronco as DC only (he'd be one of the best in
the nation, and greatly increase recruiting prospects) with no reduction in pay,
and a full time "FEATURE" head coach. I'd hire Detmer as OC in a
New York second, if he'd come. A high powered campaign to bring him and
Andy Reid (HC) could pay big dividends for years to come...
As soon as I read the headline I knew Chris B. would be the first anti commentor
and the first poster. And as far as patriot is concerned, you got your wish as
Utah indeed lost.It's sure interesting how everyone knows the
answers without being privy to the questions.I look for a couple
coaching changes that should improve things. O-line, OC, and Special Teams come
to mind right off the bat. But we'll see what happens. It's just too
bad this season was so close and yet so far because of maybe two plays a game.
There's a lesson in that, one surely knows.
How do utes have the audacity to comment here?? They must do it unconsciously
out of habit, because nobody in their right mind would be talking trash that has
a record of 3-5. I love how So Cal Reader mentioned being embarrassed by utah,
Utah State, and Boise St. The only embarrassment to speak of in those games,
was the utes fine students who made the ESPN not top ten, at the number 4 spot,
for proving their genius not once, but twice. Nothing more needs to be said
about utah, they defined themselves better than anyone could. I don't even
care that BYU lost that game. Utah made such huge fools of themselves on
national tv, the outcome didn't even matter. And once again, BYU makes the
utes win against them look good, while a loss to the utes is no different than
losing to a WAC team.
All the teams in the WAC are leaving. All got invited to new conferences except
for Idaho and New Mexico State.Idaho and New Mexico State are going
independent next year, because no conference wants them.If BYU needs
2 games to fill, I'm sure that Idaho and New Mexico State are available.
For all those who are wondering which teams could be backing out of their
agreement ...... rumor has it that both Boise and Notre Dame could
be backing out. Boise because of their new conference and Notre Dame because of
their new agreement with the ACC.So there you go ... one or both of
those will likely be off BYU's schedule next year.
If BYU had been willing to committ to the Big 12 in July of 2011, all these
problems would be in the past, BYU would have access to a huge conference
playoff bowl along with the Nat'l championship game. I've read two I
reviews with the new Big 12 commissioner who stated when asked about BYU,
"We have no idea where their going or what they want to do, they
haven't contacted us". Isn't that just great folks, BYU
hasn't even wasted a thin dime to speak with the Big 12 the last real
conference available to them? Please don't bring up the Big East, they
won't be able to fill more than 3 or their 6 bowl committments and they are
not part of the new 5 conference playoff system. Sorry San Diego St and Boise,
it didn't work for ya.
Chris B:BYU has a higher winning percentage against the PAC-12 then
does Utah...so take it easy my friend. And I wish the Utes well too...
Andy Reid is not coming to BYU. Please think these things through folks before
you type out something that makes you look bad.
When Reid is out of a job after the season, maybe BYU as an assistant would be
appealing. And yes, I expect Bronco to be the head coach for a long time. He
doesn't like the PR or the press but he likes the organizational team
building aspects, bridging community/church/football and IMO wins enough games
to keep most (sane) BYU fans happy...
@ WAC man"Being a punching bag for the "real" teams of
the PAC 12 will get old after awhile".Being a punching bag for
the Utes every year will get old after a while.
Tom in CAVallejo, CA" ..... every team plays cream puffs
.... "utah is one of the pac "cream puffs". Sad.-----------For whom? Certainly not for BYU, 8 of 11 proves
it.You have a pretty good schedule next year. Who is in and who is
out? Texas, Boise State, and GT are your home games, I would think it's
one of those teams.
Let's go ahead make some leadership changes for the Cougars.AD:
Sammy... very decisive... not always right but could help with the 2013
schedulingHead Coach: Tom Holmoe... he had all the answers at CalOC:
Can't think of anyone who will take the positionDC: Bronco
Mendenhall... we like the results and the passionPR: Duckperson... could
adapt and get good at it
Lets remember that there's no ink on the Utah/BYU game for 2013 yet as
well. BYU could ultimately be scrambling to fill slots for one or all of the
Utah, Boise St, and Notre Dame games.
CG said:"Teams change scheduling agreements all the time and
just because you're in a conference doesn't mean a team like USC likes
playing U anymore than U liked playing Wyoming when U were in the WAC.You're only kidding yourself if you think that other teams are lining up
around the block for the opportunity to play Utah."They
don't have to line up around the block. Mpst of Utah's schedule is
already set each year belonging to a conference.Sorry pal, you
don't like the fact that USC plays the Utes each year. Own it!
Is it just me, or is this the only place where BYU hopefuls still talk about the
ESPN "exclusive" contract?LOL! How did that work for you
this year so far?
So, what spineless team(s) dropped off next year's schedule?
Ute trolls... You just beat mediocre California oh wait. SUB MEDIOCRE california
on YOUR home turf... You have hardly even come close to beating USC Stanford or
Oregon... And let's just for giggles add Oregon State. Until you do you are
the laughing stock of the BCS's little sister. Have you not watched the BCS
polls this season? Oregon went scoreless for 23 minutes and then crushed
Colorado with 70 points to significantly less. YET they DROPPED 2 spots over 2
weeks! Wake up and smell your house burning down around you! And get off our
Join a decent Conference already. Indy was a bad idea. Swallow our pride, our
vain ambition, and lets stop undertaking to cover our sins. Bite the bullet and
do what it takes to get back into a Conference.Then maybe I will buy
season tickets again.
BYU lost its soul when they turned their backs on the promise they made to Lark
CGUSC is linning up every year to play the U, Southern Division of
the PAC12. Tom in CA3 in a row, 8-11, 13-20,
there's your "cream puff" sad aint it.And here is a
question to all you byu fans, Why would Andy Reid ever come to byu to coach?
@ CG "A true BYU fan would know that BYU BEAT Utah State and was hardly
"embarrassed" by either Boise State or Utah." First of all, thank
you for recognizing me at least as a fan"! I like to regard myself as a
realistic fan and enjoying the clean leaving away from Happy Valley. Sorry, my
friend, but if you don't think that the three games I listed were not
offensive embarrassments (regardless of whether they won), you must have been
watching another game. In those three games, how many times did the ESPN
commentators ask where the BYU offense was. Yeah, sure did love that 7-6
offensive beat-down we put on 'dem Aggies!
motorbikebyu fans will not complain Idaho for Bosie State, New
Mwxico State for Notre Dame, much more fun to watch them win those two games
puts them right on track for that 10 win season and #25 ranking. ANDIronhideI have the same thought everytime a y fan comments about
Utah, the audacity of 3 in a row, 8-11, 13-20 but you for sure should win these
last 3 games. The only sad thing this year is that you will not be able to
claim the Idaho State Championship because of that misfortune in Boise this
Well that was an article that did not answer the headline question, did not even
post the solid games for next year.
Notre Dame wants to play teams with standards? They schedule USC, one of the
worst cheaters over the last few decades.
MLHUtah fans keep spouting the recent 8 of 11 record between BYU and
Utah, while ignoring the fact that 6 of the last 8 games have been decided by a
touchdown or less in the closing minutes, on the final play, or in overtime.Some other facts Utah fans conveniently ignore:Top 25
FinishesBronco 5Kyel 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 110-win SeasonsBronco 5Kyle 3Losses to Conference
Bottom Dwellers and 10-loss teamsBronco - noneKyle - Wyoming,
Colorado State, New Mexico, 10-loss UNLV, 10-loss Coloradobtw, the
Utes haven't had a road win against a PAC team with a winning record since
the 90's, in fact, the Utes still haven't won a conference game
against a PAC team with a winning record. The Utes will never be competitive in
the PAC if they can't beat anybody except their fellow conference bottom
TrueBlueWhen I talk UTAH-byu, I talk head to head. The fans of the
cougs can't, BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH, so they have to use other teams to make
their point. The y has a great program and they have been very successful but
come on Utah has owned the series now for the past 20 years. Deal with it both
programs have things to brag about but head to head that's all ours baby,
Well byu will still make like $4,000,000 or $5,000,000 every game because of
ESPN so we are making more money than anyone we play.
I'm like TrueBlue, I live vicariously through other teams when we loose to
Holmoe just made my case. BYU has to join a major conference while someone still
sees value in BYU. This Independent thing is little by little chipping away at
BYU's recruiting capabilities and its storied past. Exposure is not going
to amount to anything if BYU continues to be just average. BYU won't be
taken seriously by any of the major conferences and people will stop watching
sooner than later if it continues to be a crap shoot every week as to who BYU is
playing and if BYU has a chance to win. They call "storied pasts"
because they are gone. BYU needs a storied future and a major conference merger
Constant ups and downs vs the U. BYU struggled vs U for a long time, then the
80s hit and the U struggled. Now BYU struggles. It says little about either
team and, thanks to the U, we won't have to endure any longer the attempts
by the U to state extreme dominance. It's about time the rivalry ended,
all it does is rile up the fan base and doesn't benefit either team.
It's also a shame that so many of the U turned its back on BYU after so
many U alums who now sit on BYU's Board of Trustees propped up the U.
I expected the pointless back-and-forth, but didn't think it would go 60 +
posts. The real questions that need to be answered are:- Which
games have been canceled?- Why were they canceled?
Seems that BYU has just been bitten by their own media fluff. Everyday they
proclaim to all the world how great they are and on Sunday they have to find
excuses for those Saturdays losses.
MLHBYU "can't" beat Utah???LOL!BYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and score away from winning 5
of the last 7.Face it bro, you got lucky this year and in 2010.The truth is, during the 70's and 80's when BYU was dominating
the U (winning 18 of 20 games from 1972 to 1992), BYU fans barely noticed Utah,
except during rivalry week. The fact that Utah fans care more about wins over
BYU, than season records, conference championships, and national rankings, says
alot about your BYU obsession.
Silent LurkerFor un-realized media fluff, look no further than the
Utes who innudated the media with boasts of regularly winning conference
championships, playing in the Rose Bowl, and being able to compete for national
championships before the Utes had won a single game in the PAC 12.Now U look for excuses to explain why a team that was supposed to finish 11-1
and challenge USC for the PAC 12 south once again started the year 0-4 in the
conference.It's no wonder you're dropping Utah State and
BYU from your schedule; you're going to need 3 Northern Colorados each
season just to be bowl eligible.
Has Utah dropped out?
NOA"Sorry pal, you don't like the fact that USC plays the
Utes each year."Actually, I enjoy watching the Utes get pummeled
by the Trojans every year. Can't wait to see Oregon and Stanford doing the
same. Eventually, the Utes will accept their fate as perennial doormats of the
conference. Washington State and Colorado appreciate the company.
@ royalblue"BYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and
score away from winning 5 of the last 7".If your going to play
that game. Then Utah was a blown coverage, 4th and 18 fluke, and sloppy tackling
away from winning 11 out of the last 12 games against the Cougs! Sorry, but it
is what it is. Utah owns this rivalry historically and in recent years. 8 out of
11 and 56-34-4 says it all!
Chris B, Chris B, Chris B...Playing pac or big12 teams for the
majority of the schedule is not necessarily better than playing Boise St, Notre
Dame, Georgia Tech, etc. A few pac or big12 teams, which BYU does play (Utah,
Wash st, Oregon st, Texas, Oklahoma) is fine. But playing ND, GT, Ole Miss, etc
is not inferior to replacing those with pac or big12 opponents. And BYU does not
play in the 'WAC championship'.
@ royalblue"The truth is, during the 70's and 80's
when BYU was dominating the U (winning 18 of 20 games from 1972 to 1992), BYU
fans barely noticed Utah, except during rivalry week. The fact that Utah fans
care more about wins over BYU, than season records, conference championships,
and national rankings, says alot about your BYU obsession".Typical Y fan who always traces football history back to the 1970's when
BYU football "began" for them. Before then, Utah owned the Cougs in the
20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. Who cares about
national rankings when you don't have anything to show for it. Oh and Utah
has more conference championships 24-23, look it up!
RE: TrueBlue "Utah fans keep spouting the recent 8 of 11 record between BYU
and Utah, while ignoring the fact that 6 of the last 8 games have been decided
by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes, on the final play, or in
overtime." Are you serious with that response? My word my Utah County/happy
valley brethren, the bottom line is 8 of the 11 last contests have been ...
losses! Who cares how "close" the games were, we have lost 8 of 11
games. Happy Valley fans, you've got to come with something stronger than
Bleed CrimsonSorry pal, but BYU has owned U for the last half
century!head-to-headBYU 29Utah 21Conference
ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah 6Top 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7National Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0National College Football Hall of Fame InducteesBYU 6Utah
0and the all importantNational ChampionshipsBYU
1Utah 0Heiman Trophy WinnersBYU 1Utah 0Get back to us when you actually do something besides giving the other PAC 12
bottom dwellers company.
Bleed CrimsonTypical Utah fan who beats his chest about Utah's
"dominance" during the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's,
but can't cite a single Utah accomplishment on a national scale during that
period.Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but your pathetically
weak conference that nobody has heard of "dominance" ended with the
creation of the WAC in 1962. You did finish with a "flurry," winning
your first WAC title in 1964, playing in a bowl game, and garnering a mention in
the Coaches Poll, then Utah football all but dropped off the face of the earth
for the next 30 years.By the time Utah cracked the AP poll for the
first time in history, BYU had won a national championship, a Heisman Trophy,
and become a perennial Top 25 team.What exactly have you got to show
for all of those leather helmet era conference championships?btw,
national rankingd ARE an accomplishment; the only reason the Utes try to pretend
that they're not, is because the Utes have so few of them.Call
us when you win your first national award of any kind.
So. Cal Reader"Who cares how "close" the games
were..."You do, because barely winning doesn't prove
"dominance"!Utah fans like to talk about big wins in 2004,
2008, and 2011 as "dominance".If you want to see what true
dominance is, see 27-0, 56-6, and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back sandwiched into
winning 18 of 20, 10 straight conference championships, a national championship,
a Heisman trophy, back-to-back Top 10 finishes, and five Top 12 finishes in six
years.Utah has never even come close to matching that kind of true
phoenix,You are right. BYU DOMINATING Utah for 20 years was very
painful for Ute fans. But that's over. I don't see either team
putting a run together like that again, and that streak you are talking about
ended over 20 years ago.-----------------I am interested
to see what changes occur in BYU's 2013 schedule. The Cougars had put
together a pretty nice schedule very quickly. BYU will likely have a hard time
replacing those two unnamed teams with teams of equal caliber this late in the
PhoenixBYU was great 30 years ago. Utah has the upper hand now.Those are facts.
The Y has only won 1 big game since the Bronco took over as head coach. That 1
game was against Oklahoma, & we all know how that turned out NOT to be a big
game. With the increase in good competition next year, like it was this year
from last, we will see the Y's record fall even more. LAst year they were
10-3, & lost to all the good teams they played. The same is happening this
year. They played 4 teams that were good this year, & lost to all 4. Next
year they could have as many as 6 good teams that they play, & guess what?
Yup, you are right. They will most likely lose all 6. This is the new Y football
team & program. Holmoe is right. There are some major issues on the coaching
staff. None of them actually focus enough on football, & focus on other
things. If I put my job as a 5th priority, & told my boss that I needed to
focus on my family, school, religion, and self first, then I would get to my
job, I would not last too long at my company. Here's to a losing season.
Ernest,The Y doesn't make anywhere near 4-5 million a game. Go
look at the actualy ESPN contract. It is actually closer to 800K to 1 million a
@ motorbike: I do not believe it would be both Notre Dame and Boise State, but
may be one of the two, or may be any other scheduled team. The article indicated
that one of the cancelling teams was not yet under contract. That may mean that
the one team, who has not been identified because Holmoe was waiting for a
contract, may be one of the two who is cancelling. It might also be one of the
three teams of which there is no date or time scheduled, MTS, Utah or Wash
State. Will be interesting to find out which two teams are cancelling.
Royal Blue,Face it bro, you got lucky in 98 when our kicker hit the
uprigt to win the game. You again got lucky in 2000 on the 4th and 17 play from
Doman, where the play before was a fumble, but since there was no replay, it
didn't stand as a fumble and the ref admitted to Mac after the game it was
a fumble. Then again in 2001 when the UTES were up 21-10 with 5 min to go, and
then forgot how to tackle. Then there is 2006 & Beck got lucky running
around with his pants on fire before he got hit and threw the ball to Harline.
2007 was another 4th and 18 play. 2009 was an OT game that could have gone
either way. So if the UTES are lucky, then I would have to say that the Y is
even luckier and should have 14 losses to the UTES in a row. That's a bit
extreme. I will say 13-1 and give you the OT game from 09. Utah fans will barely
notice the Y after 2016 when we will have beat you 5 times in a row.
Two For Flinching"BYU was great 30 years ago. Utah has the upper
hand now."Five BYU Top 25 finishes vs only three for UtahFive BYU 10-win seasons vs only three for UtahTwo BYU conference
championships vs only one for Utahin the last six yearssays otherwise.If I was a Utah fan, I'd be worried about the
steady downward spiral of Utah football since your perfect storm season in
2008:2008 13-0 #2/#4 conference champions2009 10-3 #18/#182010 10-3 unranked/#232011 8-5 unranked2012 3-5 unranked possibly
a losing record and no bowlHow many Utah fans predicted that
Utah's season and bowl life would be hanging in the balance when Utah
played Washington State in November?Those are facts.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CABleed CrimsonSorry pal, but
BYU has owned U for the last half century!head-to-headBYU
29Utah 21Conference ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah 6Top 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7National Individual
Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0National College Football Hall
of Fame InducteesBYU 6Utah 0and the all importantNational ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heiman Trophy
WinnersBYU 1Utah 0Get back to us when you actually do
something besides giving the other PAC 12 bottom dwellers company.>>>>>Sigh.If any of that mattered
we would be in a real conference by now. 40 years plus and counting. Face
it: no conference will take us.
Papa Smurf UTEThanks for proving the point that close wins,
regardless of how many, don't prove dominance by either team.Since 1992 when Utah football returned to life, FIFTEEN of the 20 games have
been decided by a touchdown or less.During that same time period,
BYU finished in the Top 25 EIGHT times, had EIGHT 10-plus win
seasons, and won EIGHT conference championships.Utah finished in the
Top 25 SIX times, SIX 10-plus win seasons, and won FIVE conference
championships.Anybody who says that overall records don't
matter is only fooling themselves.BYU is 16 for 16 finishing in the
Top 25 after a 10-plus win season.Utah is 6 for 6 finishing in the Top 25
after a 10-plus win season.BYU has only finished in the Top 25 TWICE
without winning 10 games.Utah has only finished in the Top 25 ONCE without
winning 10 games.
PapaSmurf"Utah fans will barely notice the Y after 2016 when we
will have beat you 5 times in a row."LOL!Until Utah
starts doing something in the PAC, the ONLY highlight of your season will be an
occasional win over BYU - can you say 70's and 80's rewind?
anti BCSAnaheim, CAPapaSmurf"Utah fans will barely
notice the Y after 2016 when we will have beat you 5 times in a row."LOL!Until Utah starts doing something in the PAC, the ONLY
highlight of your season will be an occasional win over BYU - can you say
70's and 80's rewind?___________________LOL!Until BYU starts doing something in the PAC, Uh BIG 12, Oh
wait the BIG 10. Oh that's right BYU is an independent!The only
highlight of seasons to come is beating Idaho & New Mexico St. Do yourself a
favor and stop scheduling ranked teams because all you do is lose. Keep padding
those 10 win seasons with softies. Wait a minute not this year! LOL!"Can you say 70's and 80's rewind?"Yep I sure can anti
BCS. BYU is STILL on the outside looking in without a major conference
@mussingaroundBleed CrimsonSorry pal, but BYU has owned
U for the last half century!------------What happened
under Edwards/Chow era is ancient history, not even worth mentioning today.
Just look at your offense to see what BYU has become. Today BYU
barley owns "owns" Utah State let alone Utah. 5-14 vs
"good teams" in the last 35 games (last 3 seasons):(9-4) SDSU(7-6) Utah State (7-2)@Georgia Tech (3-6)(8-5) Tulsa(7-6)
WashingtonWith 4 wins at home and one neutral, margin of victory 3.6
points.The only thing BYU "owns" cream puff WAC and MWC
teams, look it up.
Pac man3 in row and 8 of the last 11 says that Utah is the better
team.Your downward spiral jab is also misguided. Finishing in the
top 5 every year is not a realistic expectation. And I'm not going to
complain about three ranked finished in a row, even though 2010 was somewhat
disappointing. Last year's and this year's record can easily be
explained by a big step up in competition. If Utah was back in the MWC they
would likely have finished both the 2011 and '12 seasons ranked due to the
weakness of a large part of the schedule. (This is the formula BYU pioneered
and Boise copied)It will take a few years to get the right athletes
in the program. But I'm optimistic about the future and I think Utah is
heading in the right direction.
Two For Flinching"If Utah was back in the MWC they would likely
have finished both the 2011 and '12 seasons ranked due to the weakness of a
large part of the schedule. (This is the formula BYU pioneered and Boise
copied)"LOL!If finishing in the Top 25 is such a
meaningless accomplishment, then please explain why Utah has only managed to
finish in the Top 25 (both polls) FIVE times during their ENTIRE FOOTBALL
HISTORY and didn't manage to crack the AP poll at all until 1994, over a
hundred years of Utah started playing football. The truth is, the
Utes are all talk, but no walk. A couple of great seasons in 2004 and 2008, a
few good wins here and there, surrounded by a great big void of NOTHINGNESS!It's no wonder the Utes have never won a single national award of
PAC manNobody has ever tried to claim Utah has been a historically
strong program. But out of the 5 times Utah finished ranked in both polls, 4 of
them have been in the last 9 seasons. Clearly Utah's football program has
stepped it up. Evidenced by the recent ranked finishes and the invite to the
PAC-12.Like I said, BYU was great 30 years ago. Lately Utah has the
upper hand. Deal with it.
This is the end of sports at BYU in general.. Just sad .. Get ready for ward
league ball in the Marriott Center when the Devotionals are not going on.
There has been a lot of talk here of Andy Reid being becoming the OC at BYU. I
doubt moving to college football is in Reid's plans but if he does, I think
he is much more likely to end up at Utah as he and Whittingham are close
Two For Flinching"Nobody has ever tried to claim Utah has been a
historically strong program. But out of the 5 times Utah finished ranked in both
polls, 4 of them have been in the last 9 seasons... BYU was great 30 years
ago."Typical Ute spin, while completely ignoring reality.Of the SEVENTEEN times BYU finished ranked in both polls, 4 of them have
been in the last SIX seasons, during the Bronco/Kyle era!Clearly,
BYU is STILL a great program as evidenced by the fact that BYU has been a
perennial Top 25 team since 1977. And, clearly, BYU still has the edge, as
evidenced by the fact the Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes, versus only ONE for
Kyle.--------mightymite"This is the end
of sports at BYU in general."Only in your crimson-colored pipe
2fer"Evidenced by the recent ranked finishes and the invite to
the PAC-12."U can continue to beat that drum if it helps U sleep
at time, but that will not change reality.As evidenced by
Colorado's invite to the PAC 12 (before Utah), recent ranked finishes had
absolutely nothing to do with Utah's invite to the PAC 12. Geography,
academics, cultural fit, and necessity were the over-riding factors in
Utah's invitation. Utah's recent football success had absolutely
nothing to do with it as evidenced by Colorado's dismal football failure
for most of the past decade.
I don't have a problem with BYU's schedule. It is front end loaded,
but that's the way it goes. By the end of the season it will be ranked
stronger than many of the BCS schools; especially schools in the ACC and Big
East. They play a good schedule. IMO
If not Doman, who would make a good OC to work with Taysom Hill? Detmer perhaps?
Or can Doman adapt to a throwing QB?
@RockwellColorado was invited to prevent Baylor from joining the
PAC-12. All those things you mentioned were all certainly factors in
Utah's invitation, but Utah's recent football success was a factor as
well.There are reasons the other Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico
schools were overlooked.....
phoenixBYU's model is to lose to every decent team on the
schedule, and beat all the weak teams which allows them to sneak into the top
25.I'm sorry but to me that, combined with nothing but minor
bowl appearances, is not the mark of a great program.
No Conference Championship for Usigh, some day you'll garner
enough courage to come out of your shell and admit that you're a Utah
fan.----------Two for flinchingBYU's
model is NOT TO LOSE to the weak teams on their schedule and to be competitive
with the good teams on their schedule.Obviously that model has
worked MUCH better than Utah's model of getting up for one or two big games
each year, and then thinking they were good enough to sleepwalk through the rest
of their schedule.btw, call us the first time Utah beats a PAC
conference opponent with a winning record.The mark of a great
program is winning national championships, Heisman Trophies, national individual
awards, and decades of consistent Top 25 finishes.Being a bottom
dweller in any conference is not the mark of a great program.
royal blueBYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and score
away from winning 5 of the last 7.That's football, that's
why they play the game, Utah has scored more points 3 in a row 8 out of 11. It
blows me away the comments that are made, we beat you, we have been beating you
and we will continue to beat you. I was there for those 20 years that all byu
had to do is walk on the field and they beat the U. Those years are long gone,
football is different now, byu fans should know that by now. Did you really
think that all the other teams were going to just sit around and let you win
year after year. Utah wasn't and they haven't, they have better
coaches, better players, and a better program, PAC12 is so fun and all your
losses to BCS teams should give you an idea right where you would be if you were
in a big time conference, example TCU isn't burning it up. You guys beat
the cupcakes loose to the big teams get your 9-10 wins and #25 ranking good for
Two for flinching"Colorado was invited to prevent Baylor from
joining the PAC-12."And why did the PAC 12 NOT want Baylor?Possibly because Baylor wasn't a good "cultural" fit for
the secular PAC 10?BINGO!The exact same reason, along
with no Sunday play, that BYU wasn't invited. If the decision on who to
invite had been based strictly on economics and quality of athletic programs,
BYU would have been a lock to be invited to the PAC 12.BYU's
overall athletic programs are superior to Utah's across the board, and
BYU's 30+ years of football excellence makes Utah's johnny-come-lately
football success pale by comparison. Not to mention, BYU's national fan
base and significantly larger regional fan base.Utah simply
benefitted from being in the right place, at the right time, and being a good
fit "culturally" for the PAC.
I would rather have a 6-6 season playing 9 BCS teams with at least 3 of them
being ranked, than to have a 10-2 season playing WAC like teams. There is no
pride beating up on teams ranked under 62 which is half way of the 124 team
delusional flinching"Clearly Utah's football program has
stepped it up...Like I said, BYU was great 30 years ago. Lately Utah
has the upper hand. Deal with it."I think 'stepped it
up' is more like step up and jump off the cliff.It's so
easy to claim those wonderful two seasons the Utes had in the MWC and then just
discount BYU's rankings and all the other historical stuff in the bygone
days of conference play.So what's so stinking great about being
tied for 6th, 7th, or 8th place in the PAC 12 last year and being 1-4 this
year?Yeah, that's 'stepped it up' in my book and
please let's don't whine about the tough schedule week in and week
out. PAC12 has its share of 'cupcakes' of which the Utes became
charter members last year... The only 'upper hand' the
Utes have had is beating BYU twice in its first two years in the PAC12... big
deal.The Utes are the doormat of the PAC12... Deal with it.
ronald uhariettYep, there was no honor losing to Utah, seeing Utah
lose to USU and then beating USU...None whatsoever.No
honor beating Northern Colorado, no honor cancelling a lifelong traditional
rivalry with BYU.I feel your pain.
@CordonBleuI think BYU should have been invited to the PAC instead
of CU. It would be better for everyone involved. But the bottom line is that
the things that make BYU appealing (giant fan base, athletic program, etc.) are
due in large part to things that make them ineligible for the PAC-12.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.@ SammyUtah is
struggling to get a foothold in the conference right now, which as a fan is
frustrating. But what is great about it is that Utah has been given the
opportunity to be great. Things are tough now, but years like this one and last
year are what make the really good years so much fun. Utah will not be in the
bottom forever, despite your wishful thinking. Also I'm not going to whine
about the schedule because I love watching Utah play good teams every week.
However, Utah's SOS is third in the country right now. All schedule smack
should just be left alone by BYU fans....Lastly, I agree that
beating BYU is not a big deal. It's just normal.
Remember the old days..."In the early years, I think BYU felt
that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how
BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10.We were always BYU's
step-brother until we started beating them, and then when we started beating
them then the rivalry really became fun. They used to come into the Utah game
always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game. Those two years we one 34-31 you would have thought that we were the Grinch
that stole Christmas. For 17 years Utah was the stepping stone for whatever BYU
wanted to get done. When we started beating them, they stopped talking about
their bowl game." -- McBrideBYU is still talking,
while Utah is building a PAC-12 program.
I would trade it all today to be in the Big 12.