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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    I'm confused.

    Why don't you guys just play teams like USC, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA... 8-9 times a year and then schedule some other random teams?

    Or if USC, Oregon, UCLA aren't availalbe why not play 8-9 games a year against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State...etc?

    I can't figure out why BYU doesn't just join the Pac 12 or Big 12 and have meaning in your season, playing for a prestigious bowl?

    Can a byu fan please help me understand why a WAC championship is deemed superior?

    Thank you in advance.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    Scheduling changes are not unique to BYU, however, being newly Independent makes frequent changes much more likely, since Holmoe has to schedule 12 games each season, instead of only 3 or 4.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    It's been a long time Chris. Honestly thought that you may have folded your hate-inflated role as a BYU troll.

    Perhaps not.

    Honestly not quite certain what you and other anti-BYU trolls (not going to dignify you by calling you a Ute-since you are not-just someone who despises BYU) do not understand about the fact that BYU played five BCS schools + Boise State this season to include Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame (admittedly two top ten teams, one top twenty team (BSU) and three BCS bottom feeder cream puffs). Sure we play 3-4 WAC teams, but every school has their cream puff games (ex. Alabama with Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and Western Carolina).

    And next years schedule is even more ambitious with six BCS Schools scheduled to include Texas, Notre Dame, Washington State, Boise State, Wisconsin, and Georgia Tech. Even you gotta be impressed eh Chris??

    Now all BYU needs to do is insure that we have an offense and probably a new OC that matches up with their amazing D!

  • bjspack Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    @Chris B

    First of all, I don't know why I even bother responding because after having seen you constantly post negative comments on BYU articles for a long time you are obviously just trollin' but the answer to your questions is simple, it is because neither the P12 or B12 has invited BYU to join their conference. So to make the best of the situation they have BYU is independent which is better than being in the WAC or the MWC, and in my opinion also better than the BE.

    As to your comment about the WAC championship, this is clearly just a trolling line because if you look at their planned schedules for the future with the info currently out there they are nothing like a "WAC schedule"

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    A bit confused by title of article. Do you mean scheduling changes or coaching personnel changes? Almost sounds like Holmoe was referring to shakeups with the staff, ie. a new OC? Or maybe he was implying that Andy Reid is coming to save our offense!

    Wouldn't that be amazing: Reid as OC and Asst Head Coach and Bronco as DC and Head Coach??

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Also another question of AD Holmoe: is it true that BYU turned down an opportunity to play Ohio State and Urban Meyer to open the 2013 season? Say it ain't so!!

  • War dog Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    ChrisB is obviously someone who cries out for attention in any way he can get it. To bad he has no life except the comment wall

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Why in the world would Andy Reid want to be the OC at BYU?

    It would be an incredible step down in money and prestige. I also think Bronco's approach would drive him nuts.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Chris B

    "I'm confused."

    Understatement of the century.

    Utah doesn't play 8-9 games a year against teams like USC, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA... the Utes also play teams like Northern Colorado, Colorado and Washington State.

    If the Utes did play 8-9 games a year against teams like USC, Oregon, and Stanford, the Utes would be lucky to win 2 or 3 games a year.

    You do realize, don't you, that the Utes haven't had a road win against a PAC team with a winning record since the 90's?

    Didn't think so.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    What are the teams?

    And BYU Cougees point fingers at Utah for schedule changes.

    Get used to it. Conference teams will look elsewhere and change agreements with BYU.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Oh, where to start? "Such is the life of an athletic director of an independent football program — particularly at BYU." How about such is the life of a novice-independent football program. I believe our Cougs may have been a bit presumtuous that other teams would be knocking on their door. It turns out it's us doing the knocking ... and fortunately our WAC brethren have answered.

    "I see teams that schedule games for 2020 and 2021 ... I've got to get the 2013 schedule done." And that's exactly what happens to well-established independent programs, like the military academies and Notre Dame. This season has been a good schedule for the team & program, but we need to keep building off of it and improve (tougher schedule) each season; not take steps back. I understand that a lot of these games are out of the Cougs hands because of "conference commitments" other teams we're scheduled to play must play. But that had to been anticipated by Holmoe & Company when they made the change.

    "We get great exposure." Hmmm. Pretty embarrased by the exposure of the Utah, Utah State & Boise State games.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Teams change scheduling agreements all the time and just because you're in a conference doesn't mean a team like USC likes playing U anymore than U liked playing Wyoming when U were in the WAC.

    You're only kidding yourself if you think that other teams are lining up around the block for the opportunity to play Utah.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    WOW! Read the writing on the wall. Holmoe can't wait for Riley to graduate! At least thats what I read between the lines. Doman's style of offense does not suit the AD and he might be out as well. Riley is a great leader and one of the best rushing QB's BYU has seen but the kid can't throw the football consistently and we desperately need the passing attack as the key part of our offense.

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    If I remember correctly Holmoe's first hire was Anae as offensive coordinator even before Bronco was offered the job. Doman was Bronco's hire. Maybe Holmoe thinks Doman is over his head as a new OC and a brand new Bishop and has some suggestions for Bronco. I personally think that Brandon is coming along fine and growing into his job. It's been a tough learning curve for sure. Combine Doman's and Bronco's poor choices along with some injuries to the OL and DL and and Sorenson the kicker and it makes for a lack of consistancy and some tough adjustments during the season.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    Who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?

    A true BYU fan would know that BYU BEAT Utah State and was hardly "embarrassed" by either Boise State or Utah.

    Nobody ever said that scheduling as an Independent was going to be easy. Even Notre Dame has used scheduling agreements with the Big East and now the ACC to help simply the process.

    The bottom line for BYU is the upside of escaping the MTN, having an exclusive contract with ESPN, being able to retain rebroadcast rights for all BYU home games, and not having to put up with the lame leadership of Craig Thompson, has been well worth the downside of the scheduling headaches attendant to being an Independent.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    I'm delighted to read that Holmoe sees what I see but surprised he is this outspoken. I'm a little concerned about scheduling changes for 2013. It's a little late in the game. But comletely agree that something needs to change on offense. I won't speculate what needs to change, but I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

    Scheduling - Big East wants us but we don't want to give up media rights. Can we get a 5 game deal with the Big East like Notre Dame has with the ACC? It seems like this would be a Win Win.

    WAC? I don't see a single game against a WAC opponent on next years schedule. chrisb's accusations are old and outdated. Time to find a new line.

    BCS? The BCS is all but dead. The new format will be fairer for all. And will expand to an 8 team playoff within a year or two.

    Oregon? Is not likely to make the NC if K State, Notre Dame and Alabama stay undefeated. I'm betting on Alabama vs Notre Dame, although I'd love to see a four team playoff this year.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    What games fell through and why?

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    chrisb

    "Can a BYU fan please help me understand why a WAC championship is deemed superior?"

    If you don't understand the difference between being 0-1 in the WAC and winning a WAC championship I can't help you, especially for a fan whose team that was only able to win TWO conference championships in 38 years in the WAC, which will seem like a lot compared to the number of PAC championships we can expect to see in the next 38 years.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    " ..... every team plays cream puffs .... "

    utah is one of the pac "cream puffs". Sad.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Had a crazy thought, but what if Holmoe brings in a new head coach but keeps Bronco as the defensive coordinator. It seems that Bronco despises being the head coach and having to deal wiht media, with fans, etc. He is never happy. Hardly ever smiles. It is like a huge pain for him to deal with boosters. The whole thing seems to get him really grumpy. Maybe he would be better off just being a defensive coordinator and giving those responsibilities to someone else (maybe an Andy Reid, but I'm not sure why he'd come). Then he could just stay on his side of the ball and kind of hybernate without having to deal with people.

    It would definitely be a blessing to us fans. He is the most boring person to listen to.

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    BYU just needs to get in a conference. Life would be so much easier. Not only in Football, but all other sports as well.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    The article talks about changes to the schedule. What games changed?

    Just want to know so I can change my plans. I am planning two road trips this next year to see the Cougs in opposing stadiums and want to know what my destination choices are. :)

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    I'm just excited to know that Nelson will be gone next year. That in and of itself will make for a superior offense and a better season.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    the future of BYU football fans - watch Idaho and Utah State at home and watch the rest of the 'real' games on TV or radio. How is that independent thing working out BYU fans? The U gets a steady dose of PAC 12 at home. I would rather watch the U lose to USC in Salt Lake than watch BYU beat up on Weber State at home. How about you??

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    College sports is money to universities and entertainment for fans, neither of which are primary functions of legitimate universities. Try putting sports in perspective as in the Ivy League.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Oct. 30, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    What teams fell through.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    patriot

    Being a punching bag for the "real" teams of the PAC 12 will get old after awhile.

    It'll be interesting to see how "excited" you are when the inevitable bowl-less streaks hit the U - it happens to even the best teams in the PAC 12, and the Utes aren't anywhere close to being one of the best teams.

    Look no further than the once respected Runnin' Utes to see how quickly things can fall apart.

    Then look at how many conference championships Utah's football won from 1922 to 1964, and compare that to how many the Utes won from 1965 to 1995. Utah has been on a steady downward spiral since 2008 and with most of your best players graduating this year, there's not much hope for any improvement next season.

    btw, Idaho and Weber State aren't on any of BYU's future schedules, so how is watching them at home "the future of BYU football"?

    Try basing your opinions on something other than your fantasies and you'll see reality more clearly.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    Looks like the writing is on the wall for a new OC in Provo. When Holmoe refers to needed changes, he's not referring to the defense since it's the strength of the program. Maybe Holmoe will force Bronco to bring in a full-time defensive coordinator so Mendenhall can spend more time on overall program management. But a new OC seems almost certain

    Alpine Coug, I guess you'll have to get use to losing to a "BCS bottom feeder cream puff" every year. What a shortsighted comment dude. Every time you or any other BYU fan trashes the quality of the Utah football program it makes you look foolish because the Utes own BYU.... not to mention the two BCS bowls in the past 8 seasons.... hardly a bottom feeder cream puff.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 30, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    As hard as it may seem, the Aggies are no longer cream puffs. They certainly could be rated in the top 20 teams in the nation if they win out. The Cougars win against the Aggies will be listed as one of their key wins of the year.
    The Aggies are on the rise.

  • Resolute Voice Deseret, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    I suspect with continual realignment there will always be scheduling changes with the marquee teams not the puff's. Coaching change most likely would be Reynolds retiring, moving some grad assistants, but possible additions of a DC, and probably some offense changes. Really will not matter unless Bronco and Holmoe are leaving. I am not a Bronco or Holmoe fan so I can hope. Bronco is no LaVell. I have season tickets to Utah and BYU and this year has been great football for me. I look forward to another exciting year in 2013.

  • AKRay Wasilla, AK
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    What 2 games fell through? Is this known?

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    Not sure independence is working. Pick a conference and make football mean something at BYU again. The 2012 season had now drawn to a close. It's time for basketball!

  • TruBlueAggie25 Logan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    Or Chris B could be talking about Bowl Game opportunities... BYU replaced the WAC draw in the poinsetta bowl game. Poinsetta used to take the WAC champion, now it takes BYU every year...
    (Could also just be trolling again)

    That being said, I have nothing bad to say about BYU's schedule, seems pretty great to me, although I do see the advantages of being part of a conference, even lesser conferences like the MWC or maybe the MAC (just beat 2 BCS conferences(ACC and Big East) in the conference rankings on ESPN). I just don't think that BYU will draw enough talent or ever be good enough to compete on a high level as an independent. They will go to the poinsetta bowl every year for a long time... It would be awesome if they broke the BCS, but I don't think they will have that much success... It would be awesome, but its unlikely.
    BYU is gonna have a tough year next year... Those BCS teams are solid, (Except Washington State). Should be a great season for them.
    And my Aggies get a shot at revenge... :) Should be great!

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    Agree that Doman seems to be growing into his job; just not sure we've got the time. Would love to see Bronco as DC only (he'd be one of the best in the nation, and greatly increase recruiting prospects) with no reduction in pay, and a full time "FEATURE" head coach. I'd hire Detmer as OC in a New York second, if he'd come. A high powered campaign to bring him and Andy Reid (HC) could pay big dividends for years to come...

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    As soon as I read the headline I knew Chris B. would be the first anti commentor and the first poster. And as far as patriot is concerned, you got your wish as Utah indeed lost.

    It's sure interesting how everyone knows the answers without being privy to the questions.

    I look for a couple coaching changes that should improve things. O-line, OC, and Special Teams come to mind right off the bat. But we'll see what happens. It's just too bad this season was so close and yet so far because of maybe two plays a game. There's a lesson in that, one surely knows.

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    How do utes have the audacity to comment here?? They must do it unconsciously out of habit, because nobody in their right mind would be talking trash that has a record of 3-5. I love how So Cal Reader mentioned being embarrassed by utah, Utah State, and Boise St. The only embarrassment to speak of in those games, was the utes fine students who made the ESPN not top ten, at the number 4 spot, for proving their genius not once, but twice. Nothing more needs to be said about utah, they defined themselves better than anyone could. I don't even care that BYU lost that game. Utah made such huge fools of themselves on national tv, the outcome didn't even matter. And once again, BYU makes the utes win against them look good, while a loss to the utes is no different than losing to a WAC team.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    All the teams in the WAC are leaving. All got invited to new conferences except for Idaho and New Mexico State.

    Idaho and New Mexico State are going independent next year, because no conference wants them.

    If BYU needs 2 games to fill, I'm sure that Idaho and New Mexico State are available.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    For all those who are wondering which teams could be backing out of their agreement ...

    ... rumor has it that both Boise and Notre Dame could be backing out. Boise because of their new conference and Notre Dame because of their new agreement with the ACC.

    So there you go ... one or both of those will likely be off BYU's schedule next year.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    If BYU had been willing to committ to the Big 12 in July of 2011, all these problems would be in the past, BYU would have access to a huge conference playoff bowl along with the Nat'l championship game. I've read two I reviews with the new Big 12 commissioner who stated when asked about BYU, "We have no idea where their going or what they want to do, they haven't contacted us". Isn't that just great folks, BYU hasn't even wasted a thin dime to speak with the Big 12 the last real conference available to them? Please don't bring up the Big East, they won't be able to fill more than 3 or their 6 bowl committments and they are not part of the new 5 conference playoff system. Sorry San Diego St and Boise, it didn't work for ya.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    Chris B:

    BYU has a higher winning percentage against the PAC-12 then does Utah...so take it easy my friend. And I wish the Utes well too...

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    Andy Reid is not coming to BYU. Please think these things through folks before you type out something that makes you look bad.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    When Reid is out of a job after the season, maybe BYU as an assistant would be appealing. And yes, I expect Bronco to be the head coach for a long time. He doesn't like the PR or the press but he likes the organizational team building aspects, bridging community/church/football and IMO wins enough games to keep most (sane) BYU fans happy...

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    @ WAC man

    "Being a punching bag for the "real" teams of the PAC 12 will get old after awhile".

    Being a punching bag for the Utes every year will get old after a while.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    Tom in CA
    Vallejo, CA

    " ..... every team plays cream puffs .... "

    utah is one of the pac "cream puffs". Sad.

    -----------

    For whom? Certainly not for BYU, 8 of 11 proves it.

    You have a pretty good schedule next year. Who is in and who is out? Texas, Boise State, and GT are your home games, I would think it's one of those teams.

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    Let's go ahead make some leadership changes for the Cougars.

    AD: Sammy... very decisive... not always right but could help with the 2013 scheduling
    Head Coach: Tom Holmoe... he had all the answers at Cal
    OC: Can't think of anyone who will take the position
    DC: Bronco Mendenhall... we like the results and the passion
    PR: Duckperson... could adapt and get good at it

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    Lets remember that there's no ink on the Utah/BYU game for 2013 yet as well. BYU could ultimately be scrambling to fill slots for one or all of the Utah, Boise St, and Notre Dame games.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:29 p.m.

    CG said:

    "Teams change scheduling agreements all the time and just because you're in a conference doesn't mean a team like USC likes playing U anymore than U liked playing Wyoming when U were in the WAC.

    You're only kidding yourself if you think that other teams are lining up around the block for the opportunity to play Utah."

    They don't have to line up around the block. Mpst of Utah's schedule is already set each year belonging to a conference.

    Sorry pal, you don't like the fact that USC plays the Utes each year. Own it!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    Is it just me, or is this the only place where BYU hopefuls still talk about the ESPN "exclusive" contract?

    LOL! How did that work for you this year so far?

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    So, what spineless team(s) dropped off next year's schedule?

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Ute trolls... You just beat mediocre California oh wait. SUB MEDIOCRE california on YOUR home turf... You have hardly even come close to beating USC Stanford or Oregon... And let's just for giggles add Oregon State. Until you do you are the laughing stock of the BCS's little sister. Have you not watched the BCS polls this season? Oregon went scoreless for 23 minutes and then crushed Colorado with 70 points to significantly less. YET they DROPPED 2 spots over 2 weeks! Wake up and smell your house burning down around you! And get off our boards!

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    Join a decent Conference already. Indy was a bad idea. Swallow our pride, our vain ambition, and lets stop undertaking to cover our sins. Bite the bullet and do what it takes to get back into a Conference.

    Then maybe I will buy season tickets again.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    BYU lost its soul when they turned their backs on the promise they made to Lark

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    CG

    USC is linning up every year to play the U, Southern Division of the PAC12.

    Tom in CA

    3 in a row, 8-11, 13-20, there's your "cream puff" sad aint it.

    And here is a question to all you byu fans, Why would Andy Reid ever come to byu to coach?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    @ CG "A true BYU fan would know that BYU BEAT Utah State and was hardly "embarrassed" by either Boise State or Utah." First of all, thank you for recognizing me at least as a fan"! I like to regard myself as a realistic fan and enjoying the clean leaving away from Happy Valley. Sorry, my friend, but if you don't think that the three games I listed were not offensive embarrassments (regardless of whether they won), you must have been watching another game. In those three games, how many times did the ESPN commentators ask where the BYU offense was. Yeah, sure did love that 7-6 offensive beat-down we put on 'dem Aggies!

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:56 p.m.

    motorbike

    byu fans will not complain Idaho for Bosie State, New Mwxico State for Notre Dame, much more fun to watch them win those two games puts them right on track for that 10 win season and #25 ranking. AND

    Ironhide

    I have the same thought everytime a y fan comments about Utah, the audacity of 3 in a row, 8-11, 13-20 but you for sure should win these last 3 games. The only sad thing this year is that you will not be able to claim the Idaho State Championship because of that misfortune in Boise this year.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:39 a.m.

    Well that was an article that did not answer the headline question, did not even post the solid games for next year.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Notre Dame wants to play teams with standards? They schedule USC, one of the worst cheaters over the last few decades.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    MLH

    Utah fans keep spouting the recent 8 of 11 record between BYU and Utah, while ignoring the fact that 6 of the last 8 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes, on the final play, or in overtime.

    Some other facts Utah fans conveniently ignore:

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyel 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    10-win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Losses to Conference Bottom Dwellers and 10-loss teams
    Bronco - none
    Kyle - Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, 10-loss UNLV, 10-loss Colorado

    btw, the Utes haven't had a road win against a PAC team with a winning record since the 90's, in fact, the Utes still haven't won a conference game against a PAC team with a winning record. The Utes will never be competitive in the PAC if they can't beat anybody except their fellow conference bottom dwellers.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    LOL

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    TrueBlue

    When I talk UTAH-byu, I talk head to head. The fans of the cougs can't, BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH, so they have to use other teams to make their point. The y has a great program and they have been very successful but come on Utah has owned the series now for the past 20 years. Deal with it both programs have things to brag about but head to head that's all ours baby, GO UTES

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    Well byu will still make like $4,000,000 or $5,000,000 every game because of ESPN so we are making more money than anyone we play.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    I'm like TrueBlue, I live vicariously through other teams when we loose to Utah.

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Holmoe just made my case. BYU has to join a major conference while someone still sees value in BYU. This Independent thing is little by little chipping away at BYU's recruiting capabilities and its storied past. Exposure is not going to amount to anything if BYU continues to be just average. BYU won't be taken seriously by any of the major conferences and people will stop watching sooner than later if it continues to be a crap shoot every week as to who BYU is playing and if BYU has a chance to win. They call "storied pasts" because they are gone. BYU needs a storied future and a major conference merger ASAP.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Constant ups and downs vs the U. BYU struggled vs U for a long time, then the 80s hit and the U struggled. Now BYU struggles. It says little about either team and, thanks to the U, we won't have to endure any longer the attempts by the U to state extreme dominance. It's about time the rivalry ended, all it does is rile up the fan base and doesn't benefit either team. It's also a shame that so many of the U turned its back on BYU after so many U alums who now sit on BYU's Board of Trustees propped up the U.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    I expected the pointless back-and-forth, but didn't think it would go 60 + posts. The real questions that need to be answered are:

    - Which games have been canceled?
    - Why were they canceled?

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Seems that BYU has just been bitten by their own media fluff. Everyday they proclaim to all the world how great they are and on Sunday they have to find excuses for those Saturdays losses.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    MLH

    BYU "can't" beat Utah???

    LOL!

    BYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and score away from winning 5 of the last 7.

    Face it bro, you got lucky this year and in 2010.

    The truth is, during the 70's and 80's when BYU was dominating the U (winning 18 of 20 games from 1972 to 1992), BYU fans barely noticed Utah, except during rivalry week. The fact that Utah fans care more about wins over BYU, than season records, conference championships, and national rankings, says alot about your BYU obsession.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Silent Lurker

    For un-realized media fluff, look no further than the Utes who innudated the media with boasts of regularly winning conference championships, playing in the Rose Bowl, and being able to compete for national championships before the Utes had won a single game in the PAC 12.

    Now U look for excuses to explain why a team that was supposed to finish 11-1 and challenge USC for the PAC 12 south once again started the year 0-4 in the conference.

    It's no wonder you're dropping Utah State and BYU from your schedule; you're going to need 3 Northern Colorados each season just to be bowl eligible.

  • jpjazz Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    Has Utah dropped out?

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    NOA

    "Sorry pal, you don't like the fact that USC plays the Utes each year."

    Actually, I enjoy watching the Utes get pummeled by the Trojans every year. Can't wait to see Oregon and Stanford doing the same. Eventually, the Utes will accept their fate as perennial doormats of the conference. Washington State and Colorado appreciate the company.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    @ royalblue

    "BYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and score away from winning 5 of the last 7".

    If your going to play that game. Then Utah was a blown coverage, 4th and 18 fluke, and sloppy tackling away from winning 11 out of the last 12 games against the Cougs! Sorry, but it is what it is. Utah owns this rivalry historically and in recent years. 8 out of 11 and 56-34-4 says it all!

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Chris B, Chris B, Chris B...

    Playing pac or big12 teams for the majority of the schedule is not necessarily better than playing Boise St, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, etc. A few pac or big12 teams, which BYU does play (Utah, Wash st, Oregon st, Texas, Oklahoma) is fine. But playing ND, GT, Ole Miss, etc is not inferior to replacing those with pac or big12 opponents. And BYU does not play in the 'WAC championship'.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    @ royalblue

    "The truth is, during the 70's and 80's when BYU was dominating the U (winning 18 of 20 games from 1972 to 1992), BYU fans barely noticed Utah, except during rivalry week. The fact that Utah fans care more about wins over BYU, than season records, conference championships, and national rankings, says alot about your BYU obsession".

    Typical Y fan who always traces football history back to the 1970's when BYU football "began" for them. Before then, Utah owned the Cougs in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. Who cares about national rankings when you don't have anything to show for it. Oh and Utah has more conference championships 24-23, look it up!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    RE: TrueBlue "Utah fans keep spouting the recent 8 of 11 record between BYU and Utah, while ignoring the fact that 6 of the last 8 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes, on the final play, or in overtime." Are you serious with that response? My word my Utah County/happy valley brethren, the bottom line is 8 of the 11 last contests have been ... losses! Who cares how "close" the games were, we have lost 8 of 11 games. Happy Valley fans, you've got to come with something stronger than that.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Sorry pal, but BYU has owned U for the last half century!

    head-to-head
    BYU 29
    Utah 21

    Conference Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National College Football Hall of Fame Inductees
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    and the all important

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heiman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Get back to us when you actually do something besides giving the other PAC 12 bottom dwellers company.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Typical Utah fan who beats his chest about Utah's "dominance" during the 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's, but can't cite a single Utah accomplishment on a national scale during that period.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but your pathetically weak conference that nobody has heard of "dominance" ended with the creation of the WAC in 1962. You did finish with a "flurry," winning your first WAC title in 1964, playing in a bowl game, and garnering a mention in the Coaches Poll, then Utah football all but dropped off the face of the earth for the next 30 years.

    By the time Utah cracked the AP poll for the first time in history, BYU had won a national championship, a Heisman Trophy, and become a perennial Top 25 team.

    What exactly have you got to show for all of those leather helmet era conference championships?

    btw, national rankingd ARE an accomplishment; the only reason the Utes try to pretend that they're not, is because the Utes have so few of them.

    Call us when you win your first national award of any kind.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    "Who cares how "close" the games were..."

    You do, because barely winning doesn't prove "dominance"!

    Utah fans like to talk about big wins in 2004, 2008, and 2011 as "dominance".

    If you want to see what true dominance is, see 27-0, 56-6, and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back sandwiched into winning 18 of 20, 10 straight conference championships, a national championship, a Heisman trophy, back-to-back Top 10 finishes, and five Top 12 finishes in six years.

    Utah has never even come close to matching that kind of true DOMINANCE!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    phoenix,

    You are right. BYU DOMINATING Utah for 20 years was very painful for Ute fans. But that's over. I don't see either team putting a run together like that again, and that streak you are talking about ended over 20 years ago.

    -----------------

    I am interested to see what changes occur in BYU's 2013 schedule. The Cougars had put together a pretty nice schedule very quickly. BYU will likely have a hard time replacing those two unnamed teams with teams of equal caliber this late in the process.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Phoenix

    BYU was great 30 years ago. Utah has the upper hand now.

    Those are facts.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    The Y has only won 1 big game since the Bronco took over as head coach. That 1 game was against Oklahoma, & we all know how that turned out NOT to be a big game. With the increase in good competition next year, like it was this year from last, we will see the Y's record fall even more. LAst year they were 10-3, & lost to all the good teams they played. The same is happening this year. They played 4 teams that were good this year, & lost to all 4. Next year they could have as many as 6 good teams that they play, & guess what? Yup, you are right. They will most likely lose all 6. This is the new Y football team & program. Holmoe is right. There are some major issues on the coaching staff. None of them actually focus enough on football, & focus on other things. If I put my job as a 5th priority, & told my boss that I needed to focus on my family, school, religion, and self first, then I would get to my job, I would not last too long at my company. Here's to a losing season.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Ernest,

    The Y doesn't make anywhere near 4-5 million a game. Go look at the actualy ESPN contract. It is actually closer to 800K to 1 million a game.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:35 p.m.

    @ motorbike: I do not believe it would be both Notre Dame and Boise State, but may be one of the two, or may be any other scheduled team. The article indicated that one of the cancelling teams was not yet under contract. That may mean that the one team, who has not been identified because Holmoe was waiting for a contract, may be one of the two who is cancelling. It might also be one of the three teams of which there is no date or time scheduled, MTS, Utah or Wash State. Will be interesting to find out which two teams are cancelling.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    Royal Blue,

    Face it bro, you got lucky in 98 when our kicker hit the uprigt to win the game. You again got lucky in 2000 on the 4th and 17 play from Doman, where the play before was a fumble, but since there was no replay, it didn't stand as a fumble and the ref admitted to Mac after the game it was a fumble. Then again in 2001 when the UTES were up 21-10 with 5 min to go, and then forgot how to tackle. Then there is 2006 & Beck got lucky running around with his pants on fire before he got hit and threw the ball to Harline. 2007 was another 4th and 18 play. 2009 was an OT game that could have gone either way. So if the UTES are lucky, then I would have to say that the Y is even luckier and should have 14 losses to the UTES in a row. That's a bit extreme. I will say 13-1 and give you the OT game from 09. Utah fans will barely notice the Y after 2016 when we will have beat you 5 times in a row.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "BYU was great 30 years ago. Utah has the upper hand now."

    Five BYU Top 25 finishes vs only three for Utah
    Five BYU 10-win seasons vs only three for Utah
    Two BYU conference championships vs only one for Utah

    in the last six years

    says otherwise.

    If I was a Utah fan, I'd be worried about the steady downward spiral of Utah football since your perfect storm season in 2008:

    2008 13-0 #2/#4 conference champions
    2009 10-3 #18/#18
    2010 10-3 unranked/#23
    2011 8-5 unranked
    2012 3-5 unranked possibly a losing record and no bowl

    How many Utah fans predicted that Utah's season and bowl life would be hanging in the balance when Utah played Washington State in November?

    Those are facts.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    mussingaround
    Palo Alto, CA
    Bleed Crimson

    Sorry pal, but BYU has owned U for the last half century!

    head-to-head
    BYU 29
    Utah 21

    Conference Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National College Football Hall of Fame Inductees
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    and the all important

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heiman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Get back to us when you actually do something besides giving the other PAC 12 bottom dwellers company.

    >>>>>

    Sigh.

    If any of that mattered we would be in a real conference by now. 40 years plus and counting.
    Face it: no conference will take us.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    Thanks for proving the point that close wins, regardless of how many, don't prove dominance by either team.

    Since 1992 when Utah football returned to life, FIFTEEN of the 20 games have been decided by a touchdown or less.

    During that same time period,

    BYU finished in the Top 25 EIGHT times, had EIGHT 10-plus win seasons, and won EIGHT conference championships.

    Utah finished in the Top 25 SIX times, SIX 10-plus win seasons, and won FIVE conference championships.

    Anybody who says that overall records don't matter is only fooling themselves.

    BYU is 16 for 16 finishing in the Top 25 after a 10-plus win season.
    Utah is 6 for 6 finishing in the Top 25 after a 10-plus win season.

    BYU has only finished in the Top 25 TWICE without winning 10 games.
    Utah has only finished in the Top 25 ONCE without winning 10 games.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    PapaSmurf

    "Utah fans will barely notice the Y after 2016 when we will have beat you 5 times in a row."

    LOL!

    Until Utah starts doing something in the PAC, the ONLY highlight of your season will be an occasional win over BYU - can you say 70's and 80's rewind?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA
    PapaSmurf

    "Utah fans will barely notice the Y after 2016 when we will have beat you 5 times in a row."

    LOL!

    Until Utah starts doing something in the PAC, the ONLY highlight of your season will be an occasional win over BYU - can you say 70's and 80's rewind?

    ___________________

    LOL!

    Until BYU starts doing something in the PAC, Uh BIG 12, Oh wait the BIG 10. Oh that's right BYU is an independent!
    The only highlight of seasons to come is beating Idaho & New Mexico St. Do yourself a favor and stop scheduling ranked teams because all you do is lose. Keep padding those 10 win seasons with softies. Wait a minute not this year! LOL!

    "Can you say 70's and 80's rewind?"
    Yep I sure can anti BCS. BYU is STILL on the outside looking in without a major conference affiliation. Zing!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    Bleed Crimson

    Sorry pal, but BYU has owned U for the last half century!

    ------------

    What happened under Edwards/Chow era is ancient history, not even worth mentioning today. Just look at your offense to see what BYU has become.

    Today BYU barley owns "owns" Utah State let alone Utah.

    5-14 vs "good teams" in the last 35 games (last 3 seasons):
    (9-4) SDSU
    (7-6) Utah State (7-2)
    @Georgia Tech (3-6)
    (8-5) Tulsa
    (7-6) Washington

    With 4 wins at home and one neutral, margin of victory 3.6 points.

    The only thing BYU "owns" cream puff WAC and MWC teams, look it up.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    Pac man

    3 in row and 8 of the last 11 says that Utah is the better team.

    Your downward spiral jab is also misguided. Finishing in the top 5 every year is not a realistic expectation. And I'm not going to complain about three ranked finished in a row, even though 2010 was somewhat disappointing. Last year's and this year's record can easily be explained by a big step up in competition. If Utah was back in the MWC they would likely have finished both the 2011 and '12 seasons ranked due to the weakness of a large part of the schedule. (This is the formula BYU pioneered and Boise copied)

    It will take a few years to get the right athletes in the program. But I'm optimistic about the future and I think Utah is heading in the right direction.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "If Utah was back in the MWC they would likely have finished both the 2011 and '12 seasons ranked due to the weakness of a large part of the schedule. (This is the formula BYU pioneered and Boise copied)"

    LOL!

    If finishing in the Top 25 is such a meaningless accomplishment, then please explain why Utah has only managed to finish in the Top 25 (both polls) FIVE times during their ENTIRE FOOTBALL HISTORY and didn't manage to crack the AP poll at all until 1994, over a hundred years of Utah started playing football.

    The truth is, the Utes are all talk, but no walk. A couple of great seasons in 2004 and 2008, a few good wins here and there, surrounded by a great big void of NOTHINGNESS!

    It's no wonder the Utes have never won a single national award of any kind.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    PAC man

    Nobody has ever tried to claim Utah has been a historically strong program. But out of the 5 times Utah finished ranked in both polls, 4 of them have been in the last 9 seasons. Clearly Utah's football program has stepped it up. Evidenced by the recent ranked finishes and the invite to the PAC-12.

    Like I said, BYU was great 30 years ago. Lately Utah has the upper hand. Deal with it.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:45 a.m.

    This is the end of sports at BYU in general.. Just sad .. Get ready for ward league ball in the Marriott Center when the Devotionals are not going on.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    There has been a lot of talk here of Andy Reid being becoming the OC at BYU. I doubt moving to college football is in Reid's plans but if he does, I think he is much more likely to end up at Utah as he and Whittingham are close friends.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Nobody has ever tried to claim Utah has been a historically strong program. But out of the 5 times Utah finished ranked in both polls, 4 of them have been in the last 9 seasons... BYU was great 30 years ago."

    Typical Ute spin, while completely ignoring reality.

    Of the SEVENTEEN times BYU finished ranked in both polls, 4 of them have been in the last SIX seasons, during the Bronco/Kyle era!

    Clearly, BYU is STILL a great program as evidenced by the fact that BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977. And, clearly, BYU still has the edge, as evidenced by the fact the Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes, versus only ONE for Kyle.

    --------

    mightymite

    "This is the end of sports at BYU in general."

    Only in your crimson-colored pipe dreams!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    2fer

    "Evidenced by the recent ranked finishes and the invite to the PAC-12."

    U can continue to beat that drum if it helps U sleep at time, but that will not change reality.

    As evidenced by Colorado's invite to the PAC 12 (before Utah), recent ranked finishes had absolutely nothing to do with Utah's invite to the PAC 12. Geography, academics, cultural fit, and necessity were the over-riding factors in Utah's invitation. Utah's recent football success had absolutely nothing to do with it as evidenced by Colorado's dismal football failure for most of the past decade.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    I don't have a problem with BYU's schedule. It is front end loaded, but that's the way it goes. By the end of the season it will be ranked stronger than many of the BCS schools; especially schools in the ACC and Big East. They play a good schedule. IMO

  • CanuckFan Vancouver, BC
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    If not Doman, who would make a good OC to work with Taysom Hill? Detmer perhaps? Or can Doman adapt to a throwing QB?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    Colorado was invited to prevent Baylor from joining the PAC-12. All those things you mentioned were all certainly factors in Utah's invitation, but Utah's recent football success was a factor as well.

    There are reasons the other Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico schools were overlooked.....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    phoenix

    BYU's model is to lose to every decent team on the schedule, and beat all the weak teams which allows them to sneak into the top 25.

    I'm sorry but to me that, combined with nothing but minor bowl appearances, is not the mark of a great program.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    No Conference Championship for U

    sigh, some day you'll garner enough courage to come out of your shell and admit that you're a Utah fan.

    ----------

    Two for flinching

    BYU's model is NOT TO LOSE to the weak teams on their schedule and to be competitive with the good teams on their schedule.

    Obviously that model has worked MUCH better than Utah's model of getting up for one or two big games each year, and then thinking they were good enough to sleepwalk through the rest of their schedule.

    btw, call us the first time Utah beats a PAC conference opponent with a winning record.

    The mark of a great program is winning national championships, Heisman Trophies, national individual awards, and decades of consistent Top 25 finishes.

    Being a bottom dweller in any conference is not the mark of a great program.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    royal blue

    BYU is a blocked FG try and a mis-snapped scoop and score away from winning 5 of the last 7.

    That's football, that's why they play the game, Utah has scored more points 3 in a row 8 out of 11. It blows me away the comments that are made, we beat you, we have been beating you and we will continue to beat you. I was there for those 20 years that all byu had to do is walk on the field and they beat the U. Those years are long gone, football is different now, byu fans should know that by now. Did you really think that all the other teams were going to just sit around and let you win year after year. Utah wasn't and they haven't, they have better coaches, better players, and a better program, PAC12 is so fun and all your losses to BCS teams should give you an idea right where you would be if you were in a big time conference, example TCU isn't burning it up. You guys beat the cupcakes loose to the big teams get your 9-10 wins and #25 ranking good for you

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Two for flinching

    "Colorado was invited to prevent Baylor from joining the PAC-12."

    And why did the PAC 12 NOT want Baylor?

    Possibly because Baylor wasn't a good "cultural" fit for the secular PAC 10?

    BINGO!

    The exact same reason, along with no Sunday play, that BYU wasn't invited. If the decision on who to invite had been based strictly on economics and quality of athletic programs, BYU would have been a lock to be invited to the PAC 12.

    BYU's overall athletic programs are superior to Utah's across the board, and BYU's 30+ years of football excellence makes Utah's johnny-come-lately football success pale by comparison. Not to mention, BYU's national fan base and significantly larger regional fan base.

    Utah simply benefitted from being in the right place, at the right time, and being a good fit "culturally" for the PAC.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    I would rather have a 6-6 season playing 9 BCS teams with at least 3 of them being ranked, than to have a 10-2 season playing WAC like teams. There is no pride beating up on teams ranked under 62 which is half way of the 124 team schedules.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    delusional flinching

    "Clearly Utah's football program has stepped it up...

    Like I said, BYU was great 30 years ago. Lately Utah has the upper hand. Deal with it."

    I think 'stepped it up' is more like step up and jump off the cliff.

    It's so easy to claim those wonderful two seasons the Utes had in the MWC and then just discount BYU's rankings and all the other historical stuff in the bygone days of conference play.

    So what's so stinking great about being tied for 6th, 7th, or 8th place in the PAC 12 last year and being 1-4 this year?

    Yeah, that's 'stepped it up' in my book and please let's don't whine about the tough schedule week in and week out. PAC12 has its share of 'cupcakes' of which the Utes became charter members last year...

    The only 'upper hand' the Utes have had is beating BYU twice in its first two years in the PAC12... big deal.

    The Utes are the doormat of the PAC12... Deal with it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    ronald uhariett

    Yep, there was no honor losing to Utah, seeing Utah lose to USU and then beating USU...

    None whatsoever.

    No honor beating Northern Colorado, no honor cancelling a lifelong traditional rivalry with BYU.

    I feel your pain.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    @CordonBleu

    I think BYU should have been invited to the PAC instead of CU. It would be better for everyone involved. But the bottom line is that the things that make BYU appealing (giant fan base, athletic program, etc.) are due in large part to things that make them ineligible for the PAC-12. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

    @ Sammy

    Utah is struggling to get a foothold in the conference right now, which as a fan is frustrating. But what is great about it is that Utah has been given the opportunity to be great. Things are tough now, but years like this one and last year are what make the really good years so much fun. Utah will not be in the bottom forever, despite your wishful thinking. Also I'm not going to whine about the schedule because I love watching Utah play good teams every week. However, Utah's SOS is third in the country right now. All schedule smack should just be left alone by BYU fans....

    Lastly, I agree that beating BYU is not a big deal. It's just normal.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    Remember the old days...

    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10.

    We were always BYU's step-brother until we started beating them, and then when we started beating them then the rivalry really became fun. They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.

    Those two years we one 34-31 you would have thought that we were the Grinch that stole Christmas. For 17 years Utah was the stepping stone for whatever BYU wanted to get done. When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game."

    -- McBride

    BYU is still talking, while Utah is building a PAC-12 program.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    I would trade it all today to be in the Big 12.