What a perfect way to impose term limits! Vote for Howell. He's
conservative, and will work for (and well represent) Utah.
Re: Furry1993 Ogden, UTSen. Hatch told it like it is. Party whips
are the party 'enforcers', who typically offer both inducements and
punishments to party members. Once elected Mr. Howell would need permission to
vote in opposition to his party.Like it or not it is a fact of life
that only the naive don't understand.
I watched/listened to the debate.Scott Howell SMOKED Orrin Hatch!All Hatch could say when confronted with his miserable voting record was
-- "Mitt Romney needs me back in Washington."Howell even
joked, "Am I running against you, or Mitt Romeny here?"The
Sheeple will vote for letter R, the rest of will vote our conscious and whats
right for this State.
Furry,Voting to create term limits only applies for Democrats like
Jim Matheson. Or when you have a more radical republican than Bob Bennett. "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 18
years? You call him home" Senator Orrin Hatch speaking about US Senator
Frank Moss.Rifleman did Orrin get permission in 1997 when he
cosponsored SCHIP with Ted Kennedy in 1997? That by the way would be a
federally mandated health care plan that preceded the Affordable Health Care Act
Re: "It's unfair to paint the Democratic Party with a broad brush,
[Howell] said."It's not unfair, at all.The
party effectively enforces a rigid, radical, ultra-liberal, Big-Environment,
Big-Labor, Big-Education, anti-American orthodoxy on its officers, leaders, and
elected officials. It requires, at least tacit support for abortion, unlimited
welfare, sexual perversion, and open borders as a litmus test of whether to
provide political and financial support to candidates and campaigns. In the name
of "big-tent politics" it ignores, even belittles pleas, from even
long-time members -- like me -- to take into account and represent the views of
a majority of its members.So, though it's inarguable that there
are many, many good, decent members of the party, as an organization, it ceased
representing us and our views years ago.And that's certainly
not painting with too broad a brush.
Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah"Rifleman did Orrin get permission in
1997 when he cosponsored SCHIP with Ted Kennedy ..."There are
back room deals made every day by both parties. How do you think Obama was able
to get Obamacare passed? If you want your party's help getting re-elected
you learn real quick that you have to play ball. Frankly I'm quite
surprised that everyone doesn't understand why both parties have
I listened to the debate and I will be watching it tonight. From what I heard,
Scott Howell beat down Orrin Hatch. All Orrin could say was that Romney needs
me, and Howell is a democrat. Hatch offerend nothing for what
he'll do in the senate except support Romney. We've heard this before,
he said the same stuff back in 2000, and that George Bush needed him, and look
where that got us. As for someone that's voted for Hatch every time
I've been able to, Utah is better off without Hatch and we need Scott
If Hatch is re-elected, it will be an even bigger disaster than when the Big One
hits us. Earthquake damage can be repaired.
"What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 36 years? You
call him home!"We can only hope but in this Republican
controlled state, I fear Howell doesn't have a chance.Besides,
Hatch "saved" Hill Air Force Base, just ask him!
Rifleman, I understand exactly why each party has a whip, and that
is the partisan politics that I detest. I prefer to look for candidates who
won't always tow the party line and aren't afraid of their own party
leadership. The problem we have in this country is that elections and
subsequently lawmaking has become about R's and D's not about what is
best for the country. When we have lawmakers who sign pledges like the Grover
Nordquist pledge, then we have not put country first, we have put Grover
Nordquist first. You can have principles and be a member of either party or be
an independent. A want my lawmakers to go to Washington, study the issue,
listen to the debate and then vote based on what is best for this country, not
what is best for the party or an individual, or group, and quite frankly I could
care less whether they are R's or D's.
Furry, LDS Lib, old man,Give it up, Hatch is going to win, and in 6 years
another repub will take his place.Old man, If BO is
re-elected, it will be an even bigger disaster than when the Big One hits us.
Earthquake damage can be repaired.
I could support many democrats in a state wide election because even though I am
a Republican, I believe that the Utah Republican party has too much power within
the state and are too often corrupt. I could definitely support Howell or
Matheson statewide but I can never support any Democrat nationally. I am not
happy with Hatch. I would support Howell over Hatch if Howell was running as a
Republican, but I cannot and will never vote for any Democrat which would give
that party more power and a chance to have majority control in the House or the
Senate on a national level. To me, the Democratic party stands for so much that
is simply evil. They enslave the poor in dependency under the guise of helping
them just to keep themselves in power and they push every immoral social issue
that goes against everything that I believe in. For those reasons, I can never
support a Democrat running for national office.
No such thing as a conservative Democrat. Harry Reid was considered to be a
conservative Democrat. Look what happened to him when he got into his position
Watching the debate last night on Channel 7 was a hoot.Hatch was
trounced completely. Howell showed everyone who does not already have a
preconceived notion just how much Hatch is limited in his ability to think and
act in the best interests of America by the GOP dogma.It's long
past time to sent Orrin out to pasture in Pennsylvania.
During the past term Orrin who says it takes the ability to work with the other
party voted no to every single "other" party idea. Tell me how is that
working with the other party?Mitt needs him in Washington is
probably an understatement but if Mitt doesn't get there the people of Utah
need someone who will get beyond his own personal agenda and work for the
benefit of the country and state. Orrins recent record of avoiding
working at all with the opposition party dictates another locked down anemic
government session with both parties saying and thinking they are right and we
as taxpayers fund their ridiculously expensive charades.Orrin has
proved as a piece of the Washington puzzle he can't balance the budget or
fix the economy. One would have to ask why, as voters would we return him to
Washington when our expectations have not changed and he has proven himself
ineffective to work with those who can fix the economic woes of our nation.
Orin Hatch will win for sure. They should just do lunch. Both are great men.
Re: one old man Ogden, UT"Hatch was trounced completely"I can't speak for you but personally I'd much rather be trounced
during a debate and save the payback for election day.
"Senate candidate Scott Howell wants voters to know that not all Democrats
are evil." What kind of a way is that to start a newspaper article?
It's not a quote from Orrin Hatch. It's something the reporter dreamed
up to say and I think he needs to go back to the drawing board, or, journalism
school, or consult his religious counselor. Likewise the Deseret News.
Haven't you heard? Even Fox News has decided to engage in objective
The poster above, "procuradorfiscal" says democrats are big environment,
big education, and big labor. What is wrong with wanting our citizens to be
educated (educated people earn more), be compensated well and be provided good
working conditions, (that is what unions fight for,) and have all of us live in
a clean environment with clean water to drink and clean air to breathe? You act
as if these are bad things.