It's great to know the kids can continue their dreams on the road to state.
They are a bunch of great young men who had no intention of doing it the wrong
way. I hope the school, especially the Principal and the Athletic Director, make
the changes necessary so that no student athlete or team will have to suffer
such consequences that are out of their control. I would hope the same to any
school whose athletes have worked so hard together to pursue their dreams and
goals. High school athletics is about learning, camaraderie, growth, achieving
goals, adversity and life lessons to name a few. Good luck to all the young men
and women in the state with their athletic and academic goals this year in
particular to those who are about to enter into the utah high school football
Wow good thing East isn't in Region 8.All those jealous schools
would have stripped them of thier Region Championship and made them forfeit
every game...Nice to know there is a Region led by people with
common sense. In Region 8, they punish a team for a clerical mistake by an
adult in the office that isn't even there anymore. Nice to know they
don't punish the kids for an adults mistake...
What a joke!"We're trying to punish the school. The biggest
thing is, besides the four players who played who are ineligible, there are 126
players who did it the right way, and they deserve a chance to play."If that is their argument, the same should hold true for Timpview last
year, there was only 1 player in question... the other 126 players were stripped
of their region title!While I agree that it may have been in error
that the kids were allowed to play, the SAME thing holds true in most other
cases.I think it was a Cottonwood kid but not sure, who moved from
California and because an uncle signed his parents name, that kid was not
allowed to play.SO you will punish HIM for what others did, but not
the rest of the East kids?Again... what a JOKE and a TRAVESTY.Shame on all involved in this decision!
Not so fast, they are meeting at the state tomorrow at 9 to allow the state to
make a ruling.
Memo to rest of UTAH, put or take more away from other programs in school to
fund the penalty fee (small beans) $1500 annually to skirt this rule. Wow
hopefully, UHSAA will crack down harder on this violation. It doesn't
discourage breaking the rules does it. A starter, wow...Way to do the right
thing region 6.
Sorry but if the UHSAA does not step in and vacate these wins, the whole system
is a joke. The hearing tomorrow is about the UHSAA doing the right thing. Hey,
everybody has a story to go with their reasons for moving and transferring. But
the rules are clearly spelled out. Blame who you want, but East High broke the
rules and should forfeit all games in which they used ineligible players.If the UHSAA does not make the necessary changes tomorrow, it is time
for them to disband and let everyone do whatever they want. The rules are there,
and I don't care who at East messed up. But where you have already gone and
punished others, the same punishment should be levied here in this case.
@in-the-knowThis is a decision by the principles of that region,
just as the Timpview decision was made by the principles in that region. That is
how the system is set up. Also Timpview had some other very serious problems
occuring there so they were repeat offenders although not for the same
violations. The situations are completely different.
In th words Ed Lover "C'mon son!" Since when does "we
didn't know" excuse breaking a rule. There is no grey area here, if a
player plays and has not been cleared then its a violation of the rules.Take Jordan for example, they had two players ruled ineligible to play
this season because of choices an adult made. If we were to follow East logic
then Jordan should have played those players and when caught (and they would
have been) said "well we didn't know, dont punish the kids because the
adults messed up". It might seem cold but thats the way it is. A
right is a right and a wrong is a wrong. Thats just my opion though, we'll
see what happens with the state meeting tomorrow. If they let East slide then I
say give Timpview back its reigion 8 title from LAST year.
Alright state ruling you are up next, here is some help from your own
guidelines.*Article I Section 8 (c) - This one proves that the coach
knew*Article II Section (a), (b), (c) - These ones prove that the coach
and the administration knew exactly what was happening and tried to get by it
thinking nobody would catch it.*Article III Section 1 - This one proves
that the Principal knew.*Article III Section 10 - This proves that the
students knewAnnouncers announce before every game the Raise the Bar
Motto for Utah High School Athletics before every game, and now you are asking
the kids and coaches and administration not to live by it and tell them it means
nothing. If you are going to take action, take action. If not, then get rid of
the rules because you choose not to live by them anyway.
UtahBruin - AMEN!!!!!!
I read the entire story, and still have no idea what "wrongs" were
committed. What, exactly, made these four kids ineligible to play football? Is
this the gestapo at work here? fourth string subs? kids who attended East for a
year and a half--and they're ineligible to play football? you haven't
explained exactly why they are ineligible, and who cares? is this a grudge
charge by a rival school? Am I still living in America?
Gotta love high school football in Utah! This story would receive 2-3 lines as
an after thought in a sports section, but not hear. Such indepth reporting!
Hey dumprake and company - the UHSAA has rules that are set up. East did not
follow them, and Highland turned them in for it. What is it that you are not
understanding here? East got caught cheating. Had Highland not turned it in,
East would have gotten away with it. Principals, AD's, and
coaches are trained every single year by the UHSAA. Coaches are required to take
rules clinics every single year before their season starts. I don't know
what to tell you other than East High's incompetence cost a lot of innocent
kids a football season. Tomorrow the UHSAA will strip the wins and they will be
done after their game tomorrow night.
I agree with those who say to reinstate Timpview's 2011 Region title if
UHSAA does not vacate East's wins this year. I am a Timpview football
parent and have seen our eyes blackened far too many times to want to let this
one go. The inequity between the two decisions in both regions, if not
corrected by UHSAA, will prove that Timpview is ALWAYS untreated unfairly when
it comes to football.
I think most commenters on the story must have read a different story than I
did. No players were recruited. Two moved because of custody issues, one had
not played football for two years because of a heart condition. They all would
have been eligible had the AD followed through and the UHSAA done their job at
the beginning of the season. But if you read the comments, kids were recruited
and put in peoples basements, documents forged and payoffs made. I said it in
the other story and I'll ask it again:For all of you who seem
to think there in no difference between willfully cheating the elligibilty
process and a clerical oversight in which not intent to decieve and an
imeasureble about of effect came fom it, should ask yourselves if you are
willing to go to jail for tax fraudwhen you make an arethmetic mistake
that benifited you $5 on your taxesin 2010?credited to Oly87
Big U Fan , I agree with you 100% they are reading a different story and posting
it on here.
It bothers me when a team, school or coach uses a player's life situation
as a reason to ask for forgiveness when caught cheating. Every kid has something
going on in their lives that makes it difficult to be a student-athlete. There
were a total of 4 ineligible athletes on this team! Not just a simple oversight.
Please stop playing the sympathy card. It is not fair to those kids to have
their private lives paraded out in public...unless that has been the plan all
A lot of people don't realize that this is not a situation that is unique
to East High School, but things like this go on at other schools more than you
realize. I witnessed a starting high school quarterback at a Utah High School
sluff an entire year in some of his classes, basically attending school half a
day most of the year and playing the other part of the day, sometimes getting in
trouble in the community. This included an entire year's worth of failing
grades in classes such as band, for simply not bothering to show up to class.
His advisors would pressure certain teachers to come up with a plan to do make
up work to make him eligible. He then took two weeks of summer school and
valiantly made up enough credits to declare him eligible with erased year long
failing grades in those classes. Other students in that school somehow had
grades transform from failing to passing with no input from the teacher that
issued the failing grades. An entire basketbal team went from ineligible to
eligible when game time rolled around. The young quarterback was hailed as a
comeback inspiration that fall.
The coach know and he played the kids. thats all I need to hear about the story.
they should be 0-8. Same situation as timpview. The difference is that the
timpview situation doesn't really matter anymore. They just released that
one in the paper. UHSAA is too gutless to do what they need to when the people
are standing right in front of them.
Reading again the data about "why" the players could be ruled
ineligable... I could not help seeing the reoccuring excuse of "while they
are good, we would still be successfull with out them"School
officials... you don't seem to get it! Its not ok as long as they were not
good players or they did not contribute to the win... the win or lose does not
matter!If they were ineligable, then that is that. No matter if they have
a great story or not.If they were ineligable, then the games need to not
Big U fan...I did read the article and my sentiments ... not description of
it....is that if East does not have to vacate their wins this year based on an
ineligible player then Timpview should not have to vacate their wins last year
either. The stories are the same with players at both schools - they both
didn't fill out the hardship waiver when they moved to their new school.
East's stories are no different than Timpview's nor Jordan's for
that matter. If you've kept track of ineligibility stories, you would know
East's is not unique.
This is verging on the unbelievable!! I would like to know what pencil pushing
goofoff had the time to check all of this out. I thought that people who work
for the school all had something important to do with there time. Like teach our
kids! I thought that when I heard about Timpview and and even more so now. It
was not an age problem or even an academic. problem. It was some stupid paper
work error that did not matter. There is no need for this kind of drastic
action. Maybe the same goofball who found this stuff should spend a LOT of time
making the process more simple. And Learn to apply some common sense in the
process. It would appear that somebody has an exaggerated idea of there own
I have sat through these coaches meetings regarding eligibility at several
schools. The rules are simple. All coaches and school AD know the rules and
know there is no gray area. A students is either cleared to play or not.Regardless if the rules are right, fair, or not, if a player is
ineligible they are not allowed to play even one down.It will be sad
and unfortunate, but East need only blame themselves for not doing their
homework. The rules are simple, and I am sure the UHSAA will rule that these
wins must be vacated. Ineligible is ineligible. Otherwise you open a huge can
@wazzup?? I agree that Timpview gets grief. There's reason too- Timpview
has always been a threat, a consistently good team. I think there's a
double standard when it comes to schools that do well and those who don't.
Anyone looking at eligibility for West, or Weber? ...Not really, because people
don't invest or profit just as much in those football programs or from
cutting those programs down. It's not a surprise that teams like Timpview
and East are researched, but why AFTER the fact- after rosters go public and
after EARNING wins. I say, learn from East and Timpview that eligibility
processes need adjustment, so we can all move on and watch/play some GOOD
football (the kind those teams are putting out there).
I agree with satch. The coaches and AD's know the rules and so does the
administration. East screwed up and didn't follow through to make sure that
all of their kids were eligible. You can blame who you want, it doesn't
really matter. All that matters is that ineligible players played, and they
should forfeit every game that they played in.There is no debate
here, the UHSAA should step in and treat this like all other cases and do the
same thing. Vacate the wins and let's move on without East in the state
I have been silent on this for about 24 hours because I was trying to get the
full story on "why" these 3 players were ineligible "who" they
were. From what I have gathered from articles on DesNews, articles on SLTrib
and people familiar with the situation...the reason for the ineligibility is
more than "clerical" mistakes. All 3 of these players started their
eligibility at "home" schools other than East. Over the course of a few
years they may have moved or attended different schools...regardless...their
"home" school was NOT East. So in order to legally play for East, they
need to submit hardship/transfer paperwork and ask the UHSAA to make a ruling.
This did not happen. I'm not sure if the East coach, AD and principal were
too lasy, too ignorant or just didn't care...but it didn't happen and
that's why they are ineligible. Its sad because they administration
basically lied by saying there were "clerical" errors. As far as
"who" the players are...it appears its 1 starter and 2 reserves. On the
basis of that...forfeiture will come. I would prefer the admin be punished
instead of the boys!!!
Ok, so the Principal offered his own job?Take it and be done with
it. It clearly sounds like the processes are not important under his watch.Those ARE the rules.Now it is ANOTHER question as to how stupid
the rules in question have become.....
I am telling you.....Play where you live....solves a ton of problems for the
Nothing says that these East kids would have been ruled eligible if the proper
paperwork had been submitted correctly! Coaches know that paperwork is
required for any transfer student coming to your school. The UHSAA then rules
based on the paperwork. Teams have had players sit out games because the UHSAA
had not reviewed the paperwork by gametime. Once the committee reviews each
case, then the school is notified as to whether the student is eligible to
participate. Sometimes this notification comes after the first or second game
because of the case load at the UHSAA at the start of each season. If players
are played prior to the eligibility notification, then the school risks
forfieture of the games they played in. In some cases, the notification is
ineligible and that player may have to sit out an entire year before he is
eligible to participate! Rules are Rules! Everyone should be required to
play by the same Rules!
Hypocrites....Anyone remember the Snow Canyon baseball fiasco last year. One
ineligible player cost them several games. They appealed, they pleaded the
clerical error, they pleaded how unfair it was to punish the other kids. UHSAA
said it didn't matter and SC had to forfeit every game this player
participated in, although he was a non factor. East should have to do the same.
Rules are rules. At least that's what UHSAA said last year.
Has this meeting happened yet with the uhsaa?
The UHSAA reached a tentative decision on the East ruling at about 3:15PM.
However, they have not yet announced it and will be submitting a written press
release with the details. A note of interest....Coach Matich will be coaching
tonight against Logan because whatever sanctions the UHSAA levied out...East
appealed them and the UHSAA is still trying to finalize its decision.So anyone going to the East vs Logan game....you will see Coach Matich on the
sidelines. Don't throw a fit...just know that East has submitted an appeal
and the UHSAA is still not finished with their decision.Not sure how
to take this...it could mean that the UHSAA ruled to forfeit and East is
appealing to buy time and give Coach Matich the ability to coach their last game
of the season or East thinks they may get a favorable ruling and think Coach
Matich should be allowed to coach tonight.I have no idea when the
official ruling will be released...but I imagine there will be screaming on both
sides....regardless of what the ruling is!!!
East is ruled to forfeit all but highland.