Gov. Walker may have been the best Governor this state has ever had. And the
Republicans ousted her in the primary.
My first comment was denied.2nd try.A new institute
designed to restore political civility?Marvelous.
Civility isn't something we've had often. The rancor that Thomas
Jefferson showed John Adams in the presidential race was as full of rancor as
things are now (or even worse). I think it's simply part of party politics,
though I was it weren't so much.
People are watching the government sitting on $16,000,000,000,000 in debt as it
tries to expand into as many aspects of life as it possibly can. It makes sense
that the alarm this is causing would also cause incivility. The house is on
fire. There are bound to be some nasty exchanges and a few bad words.
Once again, Governor Walker, you continue to add your moderate, civil, and
welcome voice to the dialogue. Thank you for your wisdom and support for
civility! Here's hoping that Utah will continue to reject negative and
uncivil behavior in politics, and hopefully, be an example to the rest of the
@LermentovYou are my hero.Perhaps we should return to the civility
of Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr.I think this so-called civility
problem has more to do with the long memory of the Internet. It has exposed our
elected officials for what they are. Critics of politicians now have the goods
on them.Those who are bold enough to call them out on their hypocrisy
don't need to be told they are out of line; they need to be heard and
heeded. Sometimes it takes a little "shrill" to penetrate their
Both sides are equally guilty. The hypocrisy coming from talk radio is beyond
belief. I listened Sean Hannity whine about how uncivil the left is. Then his
guest referred to our Vice President as an old geezer. Talk about lack of
respect for such an important office. This us vs them mentality is
accomplishing nothing. All this name calling is just juvenile. We the people
Civility in politics? Yeah, pearls before swine much?
There never was a time where there was civility in American politics. We have a
proud and long reputations of being the WWF of politics. Much of it is show,
grandstanding, and self promotion... very little of it is focused on fixing real
issues or moving forward real policy. I don't think we will
ever get the negative out of politics. It is part of the system. It is right
and fair to point out where parties have disagreements on policy. That by
definition is politics. But where we are heading is another issue - and that
is the practice of personal negativity towards other people. The demonizing,
name calling, defamation, lying about others, it seems to be common and accepted
practice. For example we have the dear congressman from Utah
valley who has yet to produce anything positive, and yet takes every opportunity
he can to appear on FoxNews to promote himself, and make wild accusations of
conspiracies. Rather than discussing substantiative policy and how to move
forward fixing issues, Representative Jason focuses all his outbound
communications on blaming or being critical of the other side. Is
it no wonder the American public mirrors these kinds of examples.
@A1994 - Neither the Democrats or Republicans care about the debt, its just a
talking point to rile up political support. For either party to seriously
address the debt/deficit issues this country faces will surely mean their ouster
at the next election. Both parties have their supporters they need to keep
happy which means special interest spending, either through corporate welfare or
expansion of the safety net, sadly nothing will change regardless of who is
For those who don't know, "civility," "civil dialogue,"
etc. are liberal-speak. Their intention is always the same--to make the
conservatives dispassionate about their beliefs and to, over time, disconnect
people from their convictions.And, by the way, the DesNews jumped
onto this "civility" bandwagon as a result of one hot issue--illegal
immigration. Their purpose then was to get those of you who are passionate about
your beliefs in a secure border and legal immigration to think that somehow
you're a bad person because you're passionate about this issue. Don't fall for it.
Sometimes we miss the obvious. I do it. We all do it. On here it seems this has
happened. Notice that on the subject of being civil in political discourse,
everyone here is essentially saying "It's just 'the way' of
politics." as if incivility couldn't be helped and the choice does not
exist within our minds. In all respect to everyone here, the truth is that we do
have the choice.Choosing for yourself, of your own agency, is
something that all of us have. Civility is one of those choices in front of all
of us, we just have to make the choice and do it. Sometimes "Just do it"
is the best answer. We all know what is right; we just need to do it.
mcdugall makes a good, if skeptical point. Exactly the reason we need term
limits for Congress. 12 years max, both or either house.Until we
get a Congress that will enact term limits on themselves, We The People need to
enforce term limits by voting out the incumbents who have overstayed their
welcome.Until / unless we get back to a real representative
government of, by and for the People, we will make no Progress.
@MapleDon"And, by the way, the DesNews jumped onto this
"civility" bandwagon as a result of one hot issue--illegal immigration.
""Don't fall for it."Interesting take
on this. You see, some of us are on this "bandwagon" not because of
some liberal ploy to muzzle conservatives, but because the leader of their
church and the owner of the DN has instructed the followers of that faith to be
"Civil" in all our dealings, particularly in politics. Straight from
their mouths. Now maybe to some the leadership of the LDS faith is a
voice for the liberals... but I don't think so. The idea that you can
debate passionately about what you believe in, and yet do so in a civil manner
must be something foreign to some "conservatives". I doubt most have
this difficulty. If you firmly believe in something, becoming
uncivil to make your point should not be required or necessary. Needing to
demean those who have other points of view I really don't think shows a
strength of convictions, but rather a lack of personal control or ability to
present ideas in a meaningful or understandable way. Civility is
not a partisan idea.
Having seen Governor Walker work as Lieutenant Governor and her influence, she
has a special talent that comes from leading in a way that showed caring about
people. People is what it is all about and she was born with that caring
ability.She lives in a man's world of Government. It is not
meant to be a man's world only but in Utah the Republicans have tried to
keep women out of politics. The Republican leadership men in elected and
non-elected positions don't treat women in politics as equals. The rhetoric is not pleasant to hear when these supposedly good men put down
women in a variety of ways. Men need women in politics as much as at home.Politics are not just for men as the women, whether at home or at work
or at both impact on everyone, men, women and children. They definitely impact
on the FAMILY. The politics are not just for men and I thought
Utahns worked as partners with women, not as they do in some countries around
the world.We cannot have women, such as Governor Walker, be walked
on by men's incivility. She has given much.
Politics, in the United States of America, even with the incivility, is much
better than many of the countries in the world and ones that I have lived in.People who opposed the government in power may pay the ultimate price or
at least be put in a place that is not good and away from the family.We are blessed with a process that allows people to express their
dissatisfaction with the government, elected and bureaucratic. It may not work
the way we want but we can go to an elected official who represents the people,
or at least are supposed to represent us. The next election may find that
person without a job if they don't represent their constituents. What a blessing we have but we have to be involved in politics not just let a
few manage to make it worse for us while we were watching it happen.We can't let what happened to good people, Senator Bennett and Governor
Walker become the normal process. That was a planned event but the Republican
party leaders don't listen and good people are thrown under the bus.Governor Walker represents all good women of Utah
@UtahBlueDevilYour comments have consistently sided with one
party--and it just happens to not be mine. And given that this call for civility
has always come from the left, not the right, it's no wonder you also
support it (the objective being to put down passionate conservatives).You can claim spiritual superiority all you want, but the fact is passion for
right and good causes has typically proven beneficial for our nation. It's
only when we condition good people to do nothing that evil takes over--and evil
is taking over. So let's make sure good people lose their
convictions, and convince them it's better to not offend, than to stand
firm in any belief. And let's also continue to make them feel guilty for
being passionate about an issue they feel strongly about (abortion, illegal
immigration, higher taxes, out of control deficit, this election, etc.).
Maple Don,Civility and conviction can and should go hand in hand.
There are many today who think that conviction gives you a right to say anything
you want. As the old saying goes, "we can disagree without being
disagreeable". The current political tone is not solving any
problems, blame the right blame the left, or be real and blame both. Until good
men and women come together with a common goal of solving problems nothing will
happen. The current party before country mentality has to go. There are good
men and women on both sides of the aisle, and there are also bad men and women
on both sides of the aisle. How about country first.
@mapledon"And given that this call for civility has always come
from the left, not the right, it's no wonder you also support it (the
objective being to put down passionate conservatives)"are you
really trying to suggest Olene Walker the DN and Orin Hatch are a part of
Olene Walker is a prime example of the corrupt influence of money and Good
Ol' Boy politics as practiced in Utah.She was, for the short
time she was in office, one of the best governors ever. If she had been elected
to one or two more terms, she would have led Utah into some terrific territory
that would have benefited ALL of us. But we were robbed of that opportunity.She was dumped by the Party Faithful because they knew they
couldn't depend on her to follow their dictates.
I'll try hard to remain civil in responding to this:"For
those who don't know, "civility," "civil dialogue," etc.
are liberal-speak. Their intention is always the same--to make the conservatives
dispassionate about their beliefs and to, over time, disconnect people from
their convictions."That has to be one of the least sensible
comments I've ever read here.So does this mean that
"mean-spirited," "hateful comments," "insulting" and
other things like that are really conservative-speak?
Re: one old man Ogden, UTMay I remind you of our leader's
comment: Obama was quoted as saying "We don't mind the Republicans
joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."That may be a civil comment in the minds of some but is it really the
tone the President of the United States wants to set? You set the example Mr.
President and we will follow.
...and Obama told a latino audience that republicans are "the enemy."That always makes for good bipartisanship, especially when you lose the House
in the midterms.
Governor Walker would be a moderate democrat in many other states. She set up
the Olene Walker Housing Loan Fund which seeks to provide affordable housing
throughout the state, renovate rural housing, protect tenants from landlords who
seek to exploit them, and in other ways provide livable housing options to low
income residents of the state.Furthermore, she founded the Salt Lake Education
Foundation and served as its director. Also, Governor Walker served as director
of the Utah Division of Community Development, chaired the Commission on
Criminal and Juvenile Justice, the Utah State Housing Coordinating Committee,
and the Governor's Commission on Child Care. These are all democratic party
causes. Finally, in May 2010 the Utah County Democratic Party gave Walker its
first distinguished service award.Unfortunately, the State of Utah is now
entering an era when you can't get elected if you are not to the Right of
Attila the Hun and compromise is not valued by anyone in Utah politics anymore.
The State of Utah misses out on a great stateswoman.