Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.] The individual right of
the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family,
others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not
be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the
lawful use of arms.
So if a person dressed in camo is walking towards your child's school with
side arms and a AK47, he can't be harassed?Seems reasonable?I just don't understand the crowd who believe they have to parade
around with their gun at the mall or park to impress or intimidate or compensate
for being little men. We don't live in the old west anymore.
Part of the problem is that some overzealous cops, egged on by anti-rights
officials at the University of Utah, have used this loophole to hassle law
abiding concealed permit holders if their guns are even momentarily visible.
Thus they have turned the law upside down, and want to interpret
"being allowed to carry concealed" to making it a crime if is a gun is
ever seen if you have a permit. The anti-gun crowd, when opposing
concealed carry permits in 1995, claimed it was "fine for honest people to
carry guns in the open, but only bad guys wanted to carry 'hidden
guns' and that people should need a permit to carry concealed guns."
All experience since 1995 shows virtually no problems with permit holders, so
now the anti-gun crowd has changed their tune, and argue that it is just too
scary for anyone to see a gun, and only bad guys want to open carry. Well, they were wrong with their emotion driven opposition in 1995, and their
opposition to this continues to be emotional rather than driven by facts."It's not the guns, it's the criminals!"
This law doesn't pass the smell test. Defining arms toting for the sake of
law enforcement is fine, but authorizing anyone to carry lethal weapons as long
as they are not concealed is beyond belief. At least concealed weapon permits
have a vetting process.
Once again we are debating a subject that has been clearly defined by the
constitution of the U.S. To paraphrase the Constitution, the right of the
people to "keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The key phrase
here is " shall not be infringed". In spite of opinions to the
contrary, I have the right to carry a loaded fire arm any way and anytime I care
to. I also have the responsibility to use that fire arm appropriately.
DN Subscriber said: "It's not the guns, it's the criminals. The new version lists other Utah laws under which someone openly
carrying could not be cited, including trespassing, interfering with a campus
activity and disrupting a meeting.Ray's bill stems from an
incident outside Orem's University Mall in January 2011 in which a
51-year-old man was walking on the sidewalk with an assault rifle slung over his
shoulder and carrying a handgun.Would you know if this person
carrying these weapons was a criminal with intent to kill masses of people?
Sometimes common sense needs to prevail. The Constitution was written when
there were only black-powder weapons and only one shot could be fired before the
task of reloading. But, hey, Blur says we should be able to have weapons
anywhere we want. So there really is no need for security at courthouses or
airports anymore, as we have a right to carry a weapon at-will.
Personally I believe America needs more gun restrictions, but as for the
proposed idea of bearing arms in public, it would appear to be a constitutional
right. The reluctance of those people to permit such public display may be based
more on a set of cultural beliefs than legal and ethical beliefs. Oddly enough,
I'm more concerned about concealed weapons than opening carrying them
because at least the public and law enforcement are aware of who is possessing
them. The more people who are eligible to possess weapons and carry them openly
the more people will likely get used to them if there are few incidents. The
problem occurs when irresponsible or criminal use occurs or when innocent people
cause more injury and deaths than criminals. I still believe we need somewhat
more control of who can possess weapons and ban assault and military weapons.
Will they be able to openly carry their firearms into the neighborhood pubs,
social clubs that becker has blessed the city with? I can't see anything
wrong with that. Alcohol, Firearms, Late hours...What can possibly go wrong.
Although, I'm assured the mayor will fill his pocket with money from
special interest groups that pushed this through.
I'm concerned about the idiots that carry a AK47, &MM or thers through
parking lots just because they can or to prove a point. These individuals
shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm. I haven't seen to many
mass shootings where an individual carried the concealed permit weapon to the
scene. Most have been carrying rifles. Utah Leg. get a clue, wake up and stop
" The key phrase here is " shall not be infringed" ":And there is the rub. That seems pretty clear to me. And I am
not sure I like that society.So, NOT BE INFRINGED would mean that
A kid can bring a gun to school (does age matter?) how about an 18
Year old to high school?One cannot stop guns in Churches
Courthouses Why not airports and airplanes? Bars Their
businesses THeir conventions, sports events, concertsShall NOT
be infringed is pretty clear. I get the "slippery slope"
argument, but is this really what we want? It works both ways.
MightyhunterHaha please cite your stats, the vast majority of mass shootings are
committed with handgund. AK and AR style weapons are actually very rarely used
in such events, so why should you be scared of someone walking around with one?
Others have mentioned Bars, you are right that firearms and alcohol
do not mix. But it's already illegal to be armed while intoxicated.Open Carry used to be what honest people did, only crooks and cheats hid
their weapons. Yet now so many want to make it a crime to carry a firearm. I
don't fear the weapon I can see. You never see a robber walking around
with a weapon on his hip, it's hidden in his hoodie pocket until he's
ready to pull it out and start waving it around.