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Muddled Mitt Romney campaign hangs in but struggles for message

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  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    Well now he's gotta deal with the Obama campaign latching onto video of Romney behind closed doors talking about how 47% of Americans don't care about personal responsibility, nevermind that the 47% who don't pay income taxes include groups like
    A: seniors
    B: people who are looking for jobs but are struggling to find employment
    C: couples whose incomes are low enough that things like child tax credits take their tax burden for federal income taxes down to 0 (this is rather common of course for young Utah families).

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    really and what is barry's message? tax, deficit spending, $16T debt and forward? great message america.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    To ute alumni 5:37 p.m. Sept. 17, 2012

    really and what is barry's message? tax, deficit spending, $16T debt and forward? great message america.

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    I know one thing the president's message is not -- unlike Willard, the President does not want to do things that would seriously benefit the uber-wealthy to the detriment of everyone else . . . benefit the top 1% to the detriment of the remaining 99%.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    Based on Mitt's latest foot in mouth incident...dissing 47% of all Americans...I think his campaign is waining.

    I can hear it now....

    Oops! Hey, Ann, remember when you asked me what my shoe size is, so our personal shopper could get me some new shoes? Well, I can tell you that my shoes are the same size as my mouth. Does that help, honey? I'd tell her myself, but I ow I have to figure out how to extract my foot from my mouth? Does our Bain Health Care Policy cover that? I think, now thanks to Obama Care, this pre existing condition of mine can't be excluded.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    "really and what is barry's message? tax, deficit spending, $16T debt and forward?" Ten trillion of which was given to him by Bush..nice gift George. 5 trillion of which was spent to save the collapsing economy given him by Bush..nice gift Bush.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    Oh this is just like a USU football game; you never know how it ends until the last second. The media all want Obama so they will always show him as being shead. Just be patient and we'll see how things turn out.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    Yes, Utah Republicans who don't pay federal income taxes (you elderly, you young students, you very poor who may be working a couple of minimum wage jobs), he's talking about YOU too. Mitt thinks you are lazy and just looking for a handout. Or wait, you don't think he's talking about you, do you? Well, yes he is.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    The media's messages is designed to depress the Romney vote. If anything it is the Obama camp that is off message, and confused. But, thanks to the media, we hear about how a correct assessment by Romney of the Egypt appeasement message was a gaff. Instead the whole blow up is evidence of years and years of failure in the middle east and a complete misread by the White House including it ambassador to the UN about the cause of the Libya attack and killing of the US ambassador. Shame on the press for this deliberate misleading of the american electorate in support of their favored candidate.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    President Obama is going to win a second term, and we should all be grateful for that. The last thing I want to do is go back to a time when pre-existing medical conditions were not covered. That's MY pro-life position.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    Mitt hit it out of the park tonight.

    In his taped interview...

    He mocked 47% of Americans.

    He mocked African American voters.

    He mocked Hispanic Voters.

    He mocked anyone who does not make enough money to pay federal income tax.

    Nice job Mitt.

  • Bart Van Allen Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    Perhaps you misunderstand -- it is not Mitts campaign that is struggling, it is the ludicrous coverage by the radical leftist Main Stream Media -- your perceptions are flawed - The R&R campaign is doing just fine --

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    Schultze takes a gratuitous shot at polling in the last paragraph but won't elaborate. Is this the first negative Romney article at the DesNews?

    Bart Van Allen - Fox is starting to turn against him. The polls are turning against him. GOP insiders think he's going to lose...

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    The whole media is for Obama. I don't believe all of this! They mostly poll Democrats. None of the people I know have ever been polled. It's all rigged.

    Mitt Romney is the best candidate and will win. This negative spin is all garbage. The left has no record to run on so they will continue to downgrade Romney. The guy is sterling and will bless our country and bring us back from economic ruin. Obama needs to go!

    Romney-Ryan 2012

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    @Furry1993

    I am one of the proud 99% that support Romney-Ryan. By the way, the vast majority of Romney supporters are of that 99%. We support him because we believe his policies are better in helping the 99% live better lives.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    Every day articles on what Romney is doing wrong yet he stays within the margin of error.

    Yet I still don't know how Obama is going to fix the economy. Let's start covering the issues.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    Tea party democrats of 2010 are still out here. Although we poll in favor of the incumbent, most of us regret our vote because the downward spiral of big government spending has excelerated. We will never admit we were wrong in public or to a pollster, but in the voting booth will be another matter. This is one voter among many who won't waste his ballot on a novelty again. The survival of my country means too much to me. I am a maker, not a taker.

  • DVD Taylorsville, 00
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    So what would George Romney do in this situation?

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    I don't care what anybody says, you should be paying income taxes. I'm newly married, go to school full-time and work to put MYSELF through school and I pay income taxes. Now I agree that there are some who may not be able to do it at this time, but that is not 47%. Maybe some people should get rid of their iphones and budget their income and stop thinking they are entitled to everything. Maybe then they would be able to pay their income taxes. This is a joke. If anything Romney will simply expect responsibility from the American people. Something the Democrats and many of citizens in this nation don't want. Its pathetic!

  • Heidi71 Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    This article is just reporting on what reporters have said.

    What I get from this artilce is that Romney is more frugal than Obama is, even though he has gotten more donations over the past few months. No surprise that Obama is not good with money. But he really doesn't have to spend that much money because he's got the mainstream media melping him too.

    We've got the reporters caught on tape, conspiring to beforehand to spin and control the story on what Mitt Romney says. And he patiently and presidentially answered their repetitve questions. Obama rarely answers questions. And when he does, they are softball, or even "plants."

    And we know that polls aren't reliable either. In fact, Axelrod bullied a poll recently because it showed Romney ahead. The polls can't be accurate at this time.

    All in all, this article was useless. Why wasn't the Romney campaign interviewed. Just reporting on what other reporters have written, and on polls, is not worthwhile our time to read it

  • Go West Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    Mitt Romney's campaign has done amazingly well to stay on topic, despite all the distractions the mainstream media (i.e. Obama's propoganda machine) has dished out on him. Romney responds to them, but quickly gets back on topic aboot the economy.

    I have to wonder what the writer of this article's intentions are. What are his biases, and political leanings?

    I think it's so funny that when I listen to a speech and experience things first hand, and then I listen to or read a "journalist" tell me what I'm supposed to know or thing about it--it seems way off from what I heard. The mainstream media is losing it's grasp. They will be obsolete soon. We don't need them anymore. They 've been shown many times to lie to us.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    This 60+ individual has not seen such drama and ineptitude from the Republican Party before....
    Unless you want to talk about Richard Nixon's Watergate mess.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    It's amazing how many people here continue to carry Romney's water. The same people who complain that Obama blames Bush are busy blaming Obama and the "liberal media" for the fact that their candidate is crashing and burning. There's no way it could be Mitt's fault, right?

    Man, these forums are going to be fun to read after Obama wins.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    So Mitt Romney's campaign has no use for those who (he claims) don't pay taxes?

    Bold words for somebody who won't prove that he himself pays taxes!

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    No worries Republican friends. If you want news that is always pro-Republican instead of neutral you can always go to Fox or am radio. Then you don't have to be frustrated when the news isn't going Romney's way. All is well in Fox-land.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:21 a.m.

    Republicans thought they had it in the bag after spending hundreds of millions of dollars to vilify and demonize the president since before the election of 2008, thousands of hours of anti-Obama rhetoric by wingnut talking heads, untold efforts to whip-up the Republican base into a partisan frenzy, and get the Republican members of the Senate and House to do nothing to enhance the defeat of the president even as they worked to make life in America more difficult for Americans as "proof" that Obama is a failure.

    They thought even a two-toed sloth had a better chance of being elected president than President Obama. And when Mitt Romney bought the Republican nomination in a year the Republicans didn't put up their best and brightest, they assumed they had an easy win.

    Then Romney began his campaign and Republicans began to worry. All the money they spent. All the anti-Obama propaganda they generated. All their efforts for naught! So now what is their strategy to win? Why, decrease voter turnout by making bogus claims of voter fraud and passing laws to keep likely Democratic voters from voting. It's genius! Like stuffing the ballot box.

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:30 a.m.

    According to Mitt Romney, anyone who takes money from the government and collects Social Security, Medicare benefits, or pays no taxes because of low income AND support the Democratic Party are government freeloaders and lack responsibility. He stated that 47% of the electorate are Obama voters and they are "worthless" tax cheats and parasites on the rest of America's "decent" people.

    So, what about those people who vote Republican and collect Social Security, Medicare benefits, or pay no taxes because of low income? Are these the Real Americans Sarah Palin used to refer to? Must be. Desparate times calls for desparate measures. Nothing is so telling as saying that half of the U.S. population is a bunch of do-nothings living off the labor of "decent, hard-working Americans."

    The things a man will say who wants to be president and hasn't a clue how to achieve the office.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:47 a.m.

    The only people who believe Romney’s campaign is “muddled” have partisan mud in their ears! Clap your hands over your ears and chant. “I can’t hear you”, while ignoring the downward spiral and plight of our country!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:36 a.m.

    "What I get from this artilce is that Romney is more frugal than Obama is, even though he has gotten more donations over the past few months."

    That is one way to look at it. Or you could view it as Romney is holding back, didn't want to try to make a push during the conventions where both were getting lots of free air time. It looks like Romney is looking to play a huge 4th quarter. It might work... it might be too late by then.

    Bottom line though, is I do know where he has been spending heavily.... North Carolina. And he is winner here by 3 to 4 points. We have been bombarded with so many adds that unless its football where ad time is expensive, I don't watch TV. I get at least a dozen robo calls a day as well.

    I really doubt this has anything to do with fiscal abilities. It is more about either trying to get out and hold a lead, or make a big push near to election day. We'll find out in November which strategy worked.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    You must admit that Romney has failed to have the bold conversations with America when it comes to spending, business taxation/regulation and illegal aliens.
    He's afraid to tell it like it is.

  • qcjeep Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    Obama and Romney are equally poor choices in presidents, but left or right wing, Romney seems to be kicking himself in the face over and over which makes his supporters doubt who he is. The recent video, 47%, is a clear example that he needs a shift in direction and hire a new staff. I hate to vote Obama, but with the choices given my vote is for him this year.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    He has a message if you want to contribute 50 grand.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    I would like to see a Republican get up and say, "In theory 47% of Americans don't pay income tax, but in reality, everyone who works pays a 12.5% flat tax. That is social security. You think that it is social security, but it goes into the same pot as the income tax goes. It is income tax, but it is just a different name. We Republicans want you to pay less of this income tax, we want it to be truly a social security tax. So we are suggesting that you have individual retirement accounts, so that you have some control over your social security."

    I would like to see a populist Republican instead of these limp wristed folks who don't want to give any details for fear that the Democrats are going to demagogue them over it. ("Ending medicare." "Pushing granny over a cliff.")

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    SS, if I had to guess, I would bet that you do not pay federal income taxes. Be that as it may, you realize that Romney is saying he will not raise taxes, in fact, he is going to lower them. I know, he also says he will get rid of some "loopholes", but nobody knows which ones.

    All the same, I share your concern that people are not paying federal income taxes. (Of course, as another poster already pointed out, could that include Mitt, himself? Who knows? Not us, because Mitt won't let us see.) But, anyway, I'm all far people paying higher taxes. I think all of the Bush tax cuts need to expire, not just the ones on the rich, but all of them, as well as the payroll tax cuts. We need to start paying our way again.

    As you can see, I am against Grover Norquist's plan, which Mitt signed up with.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Let's face it. This election is over, and Romney is never going to be President.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    One wonders if mit is part of the 47% who pay no income taxes?

    A recent IRS report showed that 20,752 households that reported earning more than $200,000 in 2009 paid no federal income taxes. About 1,500 of those tax-free Americans were millionaires.

    A lot of people who pay no income taxes are using the loopholes and deductions designed for them, as low income, hard working families. The same deductions which mit used to pay less (percentage wise) on his taxes (that he has released) than most average Americans, as constantly defended by the far right as "legal." So why is it, that when poor, working or retired people use the legal means to reduce their tax burden, they are freeloaders?

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Half of these comments, in support of Governor Romney, blame the press. If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, the press is a constant whipping boy for everything that goes wrong on the Republican agenda. Do you think all news media walks to the beat of the same drum? How did President Bush get elected, or President Reagan,etc? If the Republican Party could escape from the death grip of the Tea Party, they would not be in this free fall from middle America's support.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    SS Are you joking. It's not about paying income tax It is about owing income tax. 47% don't owe taxes because of the tax code. They itemize deductions which include tithing, mortgage interest or they don't have enough income to owe the IRS. There is a big difference between not owing and not paying. People are so blinded by their hate for Obama it is sickening. I am a republican and my party is going over the edge of a cliff. You don't win elections by insulting voters. Romney needs to stop the smear campaign and start articulating a clear message before it is to late.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    Many who comment bring up the problems with Romney based on the bias reporting from the media.

    The President brought up the Hope and Change 4 years ago and all he had to do was hold his events in the stadiums of the United States of America and talk. He learned well how to speak after listening to people for 20-years speak ill about the America we live in.

    The United States of America is about principles that our Founding Fathers and many since have brought to our country. We have not been a rich country, as far as money, all the time. We have been rich with ideas, desire to do better than our ancestors as they looked at the Statue of Liberty on their way into the country during every generation.

    We have lost that image even though some people still want to come here. Our entitlements with handouts that aren't earned have changed what our Founding Fathers had a vision about.

    This President has not provided a budget to us. Budget is the basic part of what our government has turned to, getting $ to handout.

    47 percent don't hold the President to his job.

  • MFFL ,
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    Like we are taught in school- if you want to know the facts you should go to the original source. Romney's message is there for the world to see on his webpage.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    @ MFFL, you can see the character of your guy from his private fundraiser remarks just released. I'm sorry, but not every supporter of President Obama is not dependent on the government. I found his various remarks to be offensive and they reaffirmed my view that he is in another world than that of the vast majority of Americans. No more being governed by Wall Street, in my view.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    Both sides, believe in truth. As a friend said about this type of environment at election time, "Truth is truth, only the facts change!"

    We live in a time when the half-truths, which are not truth as they are only half-true, are numerous and hard to decifer for some. Not every support of President Obama may be dependent on the Government but a careful review of everyone's situation needs to be done. The Government is for the safety and welfare of society and that is true.

    How much do we allow or have we allowed the government over the years to become more to each one of us than safety and the welfare of society? Politicians like to get elected and over the past 40 years, some 400 plus House members and 33.3 Senators get elected every two years. The President gets elected every 4 years and has to appeal to the whole country, not just to the district and state where they reside.

    Representatives get voted in such sequence they don't have time to do anything but campaign in-between votes.

    Romney has lived well and has shared his leadership with his constituents well.

  • Daleycall Mesa, 00
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    How many times do you have to hear his message? Just because the media is controlling what we hear doesn't mean any of his message has changed. We're almost at the tipping point in this country where there will be a majority of non-tax payers who will be able to vote a tax increase on the rest of us. Of course there will always be a certain group of people who won't pay taxes, but we need someone in office that will keep the remainder of the freeloaders off the public dole before it's too late. Once they get the majority, kiss the USA goodbye.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    "Muddled Mitt." Great headline. Obama's performance on the economy basically handed the election to Romney, and Romney has effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and punted it right back. He has failed to articulate any message other than "I am not Obama." And with nothing in the bank (so to speak) his gaffes are killing him.

    Thanks to Romney's performance we all can say hello to four more years of Obama.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    I love the 47% don't pay taxes. 16 million of those free loaders are senior citizens living off of social security. If anyone thinks we need to balance the nations budget issues on their backs, well, have at it.

    Another group who don't pay taxes is my father in law who owned his own small business. He was able to make all his income disappear and had the business pay for things like his car, his golf trips, his county club membership, etc. He was able to "pay" himself next to nothing, because the expensive things in life were paid for by the company. If you think this is rare in the trades, think again.

    Another group is like a chap in my ward who worked for a member of the stake presidency. The guy was on "disability", and was working for this guy doing deliveries. He actually asked this member of the presidency if he couldn't pay him under the table so he wouldn't have to pay taxes on the money.

    These 40 some odd percent aren't just people who want government care givers like Romney claimed, many are just dishonest tax cheats.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    Team Romney is spending too much time in like-minded echo-chambers if they think they're going to win this thing by focusing on the base. The Romney team and the RNC teamed up to chase off the sizable libertarian-with-a-small-L component of Republican voters *from inside the party*. In most States that's at least 10-20% of the base. Not enough to sway things unless, for instance, you choose to go over-the-top in efforts to marginalize, demonize and antagonize them ... like the Romney campaign and the RNC did in the final weeks leading up the Republican convention.

    There is no way they're going to win back that demographic -- those who assert that Romney and Obama don't differ on their most important issues (unwise offensive warmongering, out-of-control deficit spending, running rough-shod over the Bill of Rights, etc.)

    Team Romney is going to *have to* reach out to the Independents and Moderates. But I see a rude awakening awaiting them as they discover many of those Independents and Moderates share many of the same concerns as the libertarian-leaning Republicans.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    @DaleyCall
    "Of course there will always be a certain group of people who won't pay taxes, but we need someone in office that will keep the remainder of the freeloaders off the public dole before it's too late. Once they get the majority, kiss the USA goodbye."

    The 10 states with the highest rates of people not paying income taxes are (not in order): Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, and Idaho. Only one of those voted for Obama. So these freeloaders you all are talking about... the states where over half are in this category are almost all deep red states. Why? Because a lot of them are seniors, a lot of them are the unemployed, a lot of them are low-income families with children (tax credits knock their income taxes to 0 like the child tax credit). As much as you might want to think otherwise, a lot of the 47% are Republicans.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    This has all of the flavor and impact of a gossip column. It is proper to quote sources when they are the source of facts. It is gossip to quote them when they are the sources of opinions.

    The headline proclaims a fact, but is supported only by opinions. There are no polls substantiating the writer's conclusion - only more opinions. And it doesn't appear that the writer has any opinions (or reaches any conclusions) of his own.

    Where is the editor that should take this (presumably young) person in hand and help them grow up to be a reporter?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Muddled? Leaves an impression.

    Are you still beating your wife? This question also leaves an impression.

    Let's be smart enough to recognize deception when it comes.