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As Mitt Romney ratchets up religious rhetoric, Paul Ryan gets it wrong

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  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    who cares really. When folks go to vote they have a couple of things on their minds. Which guy will get me off unemployment the fastest. Now there probably are others who are saying - which guy will give me freebies the longest and the answer is obvious there. Let's hope there are more people voting that want a job and want to work in which case Romney wins. I guess there is another case where if you belong to a union that is gutting the piggy bank then Obama is also your guy.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    The article says Ryan is wrong merely based upon an opinion by Rob Boston, senior policy analyst at Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    That is NOT an unbiased source.

    It is like saying Biden is wrong based upon an opinion by the American Family Council. An opinion is not inherantly a fact (other than it is a fact that it is their opinion)

    The fact is: The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"; A court ruing has extended certain interpretations to States. But the DN also acknowledges that scholars still disagree on court rulings - so to put "Ryan Wrong" in the headline, when it is a legitimate difference of opinion, indicates a misleading media bias.

    Americans United for Separation of Church and State is arguably wrong in their extremist hostility towards all religious speech

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    "Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?"

    Oh for Pete's sake!

    That comment is exactly why Romney is losing - it truly does represent the "base" of today's GOP, and a growing number of Americans view this "base" with alarm and dismay.

    Today's GOP is run by and for a group of people who are willfully, belligerently ignorant of reality.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    @USALover
    "Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?"

    Of course. He says he's a Christian and he shows up to church a few times a year. I don't know what's more mainstream Christianity than that.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    @USAlover

    "Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?"

    Is being a Christian a requirement for the oval office?

    Some of the comments on here infer that Muslims aren't acceptable.

  • terrywbis WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    To Blue...How can you say "Romney is losing..." If you check with Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate poll historically, Romney is ahead Nationally, and even in the swing states.

    To Deseret News...Maybe Paul Ryan gets it right, and it's Deseret News that gets it wrong.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    In Muslim culture, religion is patrilineral: It follows the lineage of the father.
    Obama's mother was not Muslim, but his father was.
    In Indonesia he registered for a school as a Muslim
    Today he claims to be a Christian.
    People change (whether it is real or merely convenient is another matter)

    He also claims to be tolerant and a unifier
    Claims are cheap (Indeed; I am the rightful queen of England)

    Ultimately I don't particularly care one way or the other, since he is mostly incompetent - which is not doctrinally identified with any particular theological belief system

    On the other hand; passive/aggression seems to truly represent the "base" of today's Obama apologists, who throw out wild allegations about his opponent, but lapse into victim mode when their own pomposity is disturbed, and a growing number of Americans view this "base" with alarm and dismay.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Sept. 17, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Blue "Questioning Obama's Christianity is the exact reason Romney is losing" ??? Really?
    Not too worried about stretching or twisting are we.
    If you do half the research on Obama's religious past as they've done on Romney, they'd find a vastly different religious history and what and how he and his wife truly worshipped.
    Fortunately for Obama, that was a whole 3.5 years ago so he gets a free pass by his drunken followers and the media.
    And if you think that his "new church" that he rarely attends, proves that he is a true Christian then we can truly agree that the term "true Christian" can be used very loosley.
    Maybe my car is a Christian because it goes to church every Sunday.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    terrywbis
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    To Blue...How can you say "Romney is losing..." If you check with Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate poll historically, Romney is ahead Nationally, and even in the swing states.

    =============

    Whatever....

    Here's some reality for you.
    As of today:

    Obama = 332
    Romney = 206

    270 is needed to win.

    ....Rassussmen... haha, snicker, snicker, snort!
    Go back to your AM radio shows.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Picking and choosing sources? Two opinions yet one is fact to the writer. Icky-poo

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    It would seem Romney's biggest talking point should be the economy. Yet he seems to constantly wander off message and into issues that voters clearly are not concerned about in this election. A fifty-year old Supreme Court decision is not on anyone's radar.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    God isn't a candidate on the ballot. If god were running, I'd have to choose "none of the above". I'm not in favor of any of the "ban" governments (Taliban, LDSban, Westboroban, Catholiban, Musliban, Jewiban, or even Romneyban).

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    To Blue and lds liberal.
    What has Obama done for the state of Utah in the last 3.5 years?
    Crickets.....

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    "I'm not in favor of any of the "ban" governments (Taliban, LDSban, Westboroban, Catholiban, Musliban, Jewiban, or even Romneyban)."

    or Gayban
    Feminsitban
    Sharptonban?

    or maybe merely passive/aggressiveban

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Are there some people who really believe Obama is not a Christian?

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    For those of you who complaining about the president' religiosity or apparent lack thereof, I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    @terrywbis
    "If you check with Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate poll historically, Romney is ahead Nationally, and even in the swing states."

    That's not even accurate but whatever, I use RealClearPolitics and Nate Silver's forecast model, both of them use data from many polls, including Rasmussen, and both show an advantage for Obama that's about 2-3% nationally.

    @AZRods
    "Fortunately for Obama, that was a whole 3.5 years ago"

    You mean how he used to attend Trinity United Church of Christ? You want to argue that a guy who goes to a church with Christ in its name isn't a Christian? And why do I have to even make this argument when the LDS church is one that frequently gets attacked for not being Christian? Some of you act like the evangelicals who want to reject the idea that the LDS church is Christian. If these statements were made against Romney, they'd be called religious bigotry, mostly because that's what they are.

    "And if you think that his "new church" that he rarely attends, proves that he is a true Christian"

    Okay, maybe you're just a Pharisee.

  • RunningOnMT Orem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    @RanchHand

    I am very confused by your comment. If God were running for president, you wouldn't vote for Him? I can understand a lack of belief in God, but if, by your own admission, God was on the ballot, that would mean God exists. So even if God appeared, you would still say I don't need Him. Incredible.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    Most "polling" is paid for by the mainstream media. Sometimes they prefer to bypass the "middleman" and do it themselves.
    The mainstream media and the pollsters are doing their best to get Barack Obama elected.

    Do you REALLY expect an NBC paid for "poll" (I use the term loosely)to ever show Mitt Romney winning?

    People have a tendency to vote for WHOEVER they think is going to win the election. The mainstream media "pollsters" are doing the best they can to convince the "sheeple" that Obama will win.

    The ONLY "poll" that counts is the one at the ballot box in November.

    Do your homework on who to vote for. Don't believe "facts" coming from media who have lost all objectivity!!

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    @CI

    "or maybe merely passive/aggressiveban"

    pot let me introduce you to kettle.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    religious rhetoric.

    When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    @terry

    real clear politics, which calculates the average of all major polls, including Rasmussen, shows Obama up in 10 major polls and Romney up in one...the one that you chose to cite as your only reference.

    they use the same method to calculate the current electoral count which currently stands at 332 to 206 in favor of Obama.

    no one knows for sure what will happen in November for sure but selecting out the one poll that agrees with you to try to claim an upper hand is a rather weak argument. .

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    Whether or not romneys' god talkin' is working, it is making one thing abundantly clear. There is a religious test for the office. It also mocks the ideas that this is a free republic, and pins our government on a philosophy which has a good chance of being partially or entirely fabricated.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Nice to meet you Phranc

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    Blue is 100% correct. The GOP has wondered further & further away from reality. If repubs ever want to have an influence again they need to get back to the mainstream.
    Romney & Ryan are so far out of touch with reality simply because the GOP has become crazy.

  • NT Springville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak

    You are encouraging the readers to "do your homework" ???

    Why is it that everytime I hear Obama speak, it seems as though he would prefer the listener to NOT do their homework, rather to simply to like him, to believe him, to accept him, to relinquish their vote to him?

    I have done my homework, watching very closely both candidates, one over the past 3 1/2 years, the other over the past 10 years. Biased media microscopes and double standards aside, the choice is a simple one for me.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    @CI

    I remember a time when you actually at least pretended to attempted to engage in a civil and honest dialogue.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    @There You Go Again

    "When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized."

    And here comes the arrogance that will lose the election for Romney. And it comes right behind the apparent bigotry against Muslims in office. Hmmm ...

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    I got a good laugh out of this quote from the guy from the bronx "For those of you who complaining about the president' religiosity or apparent lack thereof, I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday."

    Were you serious? Or was that meant as a joke? When Jesus walked the earth there were not any churches, just synagogues...and the Sabbath was on Saturday, not Sunday.

    I also wonder if the first comment asking about if Obama was a Christian was from a Republican supporter or just a liberal troll who just wanted to stir up the pot.

  • rocklaw Holladay, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    I don't have time to read all the comments, but a brief survey reveals they are the same old crazy nonsense. This article, on the other hand, is a surprisingly objective piece from the DNews. Amazing, in fact, that it has managed to navigate the censors.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "Do you REALLY expect an NBC paid for "poll" (I use the term loosely)to ever show Mitt Romney winning?"

    NBC polls are jointly run with the hardly liberal Wall Street Journal and Marist. Fox News polls have Obama ahead and I consider both to be valid polls (these polls tend to be run by other groups like Marist and Robbins & Shaw).

    Nate Silver's analysis accounts for a models' history of bias (and overall error so one takes care of precision, the other accuracy) which is why I use his model the most. For the record, Silver's "house effects" (bias factors for polls, as of June of this year) are:
    Pew D+3.2 (i.e. overestimates Democrats by 3.2 on average)
    PPP D+3.1
    Ipsos D+2.9
    SurveyUSA D+2.4
    Marist/NBC D+1.9
    YouGov D+0.8
    CNN/Opinion Research D+0.4
    Rasmussen Reports R+1.3
    Washington Post/ABC News R+1.4
    Fox News (Robbins & Shaw) R+1.5
    Quinnipiac R+1.7
    Gallup R+2.5

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    @NT
    Uh, your ticket seems to never want to give details. What tax loopholes will they close? Silence. What would you replace Obamacare with? Vague ideas. They want people to just accept that yeah, they will totally get deficit spending in line but if you study it they want no more revenue than we currently take in, they want more defense spending, and they say they want to protect entitlements. There's gotta be something big that they're cutting, otherwise their deficit reduction is minimal. Bill Clinton noted it, they want to reduce Medicaid spending by a third based on what the Ryan budget details. Then again the Ryan budget thinks that eventually all non-discretionary spending (military and non-entitlement stuff) will be 3.8% of GDP while Romney has promised to never let defense get below 4% so I've done my homework and I'm not buying their math.

    @There You Go Again

    "When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized."

    As an Obama supporter, I'd be happy if you tried that tactic.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    I suspect this is entirely based on the controversy at the Democratic Convention over removing, then returning, "God" to the Democratic platform. That was not a good public relations moment for the Democratic party, to see and hear thousands of angry Democrats shouting "No" when a motion was made to restore a reference to God in the party platform.

    Romney isn't accusing Obama personally of anything. He's simply saying: "The Democrats didn't want God in their party's constitution --- I won't leave God out of my heart."

    And I think that's probably a good move on Romney's part. The majority of people in this country still believe in God. They didn't like the spectacle of Democrats shouting in anger against Him. Many will appreciate that Romney affirms God's relevance in the governance of this nation.

  • sanpaco Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    "State legislators can, of course, pass school prayer laws if they want, but it’s a waste of time. If a law mandates or compels young people to take part in prayer or religious worship, the courts will strike it down."

    Once again the opposition completely taking things out of context. Nobody is talking about State's forcing children to pray in school. The question was "whether he supported giving states the right to allow 'prayer or pledge' in schools." Allow is a very different word than mandate.

    This just seems like a very weak attempt to try and paint Romney and Ryan as disingenuous when it comes to religion. Ryan didn't get anything wrong, and even if he did I'm not seeing how it relates at all to Romney talking about God more.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    @Blue, et al.

    In response to USAlover

    "That comment is exactly why Romney is losing - it truly does represent the "base" of today's GOP, and a growing number of Americans view this "base" with alarm and dismay.

    Why do you guys respond to trolls? USAlover doesn't represent a majority view in the base of the GOP and your saying so is almost as bad as the original comment you responded to.

    The base of the GOP is largely the Tea Party. That's the same group that has been called racist and extremist and also was the prime mover in the GOP winning 63 house seats last election. So it is either one way or it's the other: Either the GOP base Tea Party IS extremist and pushing people away, or they are attracting Americans who don't buy the liberal hype. Why would so many Americans choose to make that drastic a change last election? You are badly misreading the GOP base (not racist) and the mood of the nation (desperate for leadership.) Obama is going to lose big.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Sept. 17, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    If religion was important for the role of POTUS I would have to ask. What religion? Christian? O.K. what sect? Would any religion do? Budhist, Muslim, Hindu, Taoism, which one? or any?
    Some critics say that atheism is a religion. Therefore and atheist would be O.K. too.

    I am just talking non-sense as those who claim religion is important in the role of POTUS.

    Actually the best President of this country is the one who can divorce his religious principles and send young men and women to war to protect selfish material interest as oil, copper,etc. or a military strategic position.

    Have we ever had a real Christian in the White House? Please name one, just one true Christian. Somebody who did as Christ would have done. An intelectual challenge for any who believe this myth.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    At least we now know which side has decided to make religion an issue in the campaign and it ain't the Democrats. What an ironic twist.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    This is another example of the Deseret News being a shill for the Democratic Party. The whole story is again misleading and attempts to paint the Romney/Ryan campaign as extreme and ill-informed. Even the so-called expert opinions are ones from the far left. Very little fair and objective reporting in this article.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    >>>He cites the landmark 1962 Supreme Court case that banned government sponsored prayer in public schools and is often cited as the opening salvo in the ongoing culture wars.

    I suggest he look up Engel v. Vitale and actually read the opinion. It did not ban government sponsored prayer. It banned states from composing a prayer, as New York did, and then mandating that the school day be opened with it. It was the composing of the prayer by the state government--which the court decided was religious activity by government--that crossed the line, not prayer itself or prayer in school, at least in that opinion.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    During the GOP primaries, there were a lot of comments from Santorum and Bachman supporters questioning whether Mitt was truly a Christian.

    So I think it's out of necessity that he is now making these statements to reassure the GOP evangelical base that he really is Christian. These statements from Mitt are a lot less about questioning Obama's faith than they are about trying to put to rest questions surrounding Mitt's own faith.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 6:39 p.m.

    Pray tell, why is the Deseret News anti Romney? The Deseret News watched Romney's ability in the 2002 Winter Olympics. The Deseret News knows Romney's family and their qualities. What is there about the distortions of the Main Stream Media that appeals to the Deseret News, so much so that the Deseret News will print as truth anything they say. Paul Ryan was labeled as "wrong" even though the First Amendment was intended to restrict only the Federal Government, saying "Congress shall pass no law . . ." Ryan was perfectly Constitutional and correct. Come on, Deseret New. Can't you get it right? Or are you only left?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    i personally love this last argument. If a media outlet doesn't agree with me, they are mainstream media. Those people who agree with me are "objective", where as those who don't have lost all objectivity. Those who agree with posters own philosophy actually think about who they will vote for, where as everyone else is a mindless lemmings doing what good "sheeple" do.

    The whole idea that people could come from different histories, and therefor view the world through different perspectives, even thoughtful perspectives, is not a possibility. This is the continuation of demeaning anyone who doesn't agree as lazy, ignorant, and surely not as patriotic as one who agrees with the posters opinion.

    The thing is, insulting people almost never convinces them to agree with your opinion. Calling people sheeple usually doesn't endear anyone to the ideas being promoted.

    "Don't believe "facts" coming from media who have lost all objectivity!!"

    Best line yet. And the "true" source of facts would be what? Let me guess... those sources that match your sense of objectivity?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    I am beginning to lose faith in brother Romney. The more I listen to his rhetoric the more I am convinced he has nothing but disdain for the poor, the middle class, and labor unions. And yes I do belong to a labor union and I am proud of it. I had hopes Romney that Romney would run a clean issue focused campaign instead of resorting to smear tactics and dirty poltics as usual. I believe the vast majority of americans are decent people who want employment not government handouts. I for one am tired of the mean spirited rhetoric coming from the right wing of the republican party. Blaming the poor for being poor accomplish's nothing. It is not the democrats that are instigating class warfare it is the republicans with their policies that favor the wealthy. If people are not paying federal income tax it is the tax policies that allow for deductions for mortgage interest and charity not deliberately avoiding taxes. I make less than $50 K and every year I send a check to the IRS. Politics has always been contentious by nature. That doesn't mean we have to be uncivil.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    As Tea Party people believe in basic government and not one that has grown faster than it should have for 40 years, they are concerned that a President of the United States would have some moral fiber, as there are questions about the current President. Talk about flip flop on his personal beliefs. Those personal beliefs are not mandatory requirements of the job but they are definitely an indicator for the type of character he has. A President makes very important and long lasting decisions for our country. The people voted him into office as he promised Hope and Change. Everyone has their own definition for what that phrase meant to them, but the President really has not seized upon the opportunity of Hope and Change. People chose him because they thought he would be fair and listen. Instead he forced both Houses of Congress to bend to his forceful pressure on them as if he was playing basketball. There were town meetings several years ago and people all around the United States forcefully expressed their desires but Congress and the President didn't listen to people's inner thoughts and frustration. Mitt Romney hopes to change who is President.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    The way things have been going lately, the only way Romney will win is if someone sutures his mouth shut between now and November. As it stands, he's managed to offend practically everyone except the wealthy and a few Tea Partiers.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    Congratulations on your second term, President Obama. Don't forget to send "Thank You" notes to everybody who contributed to the Republican train-wreck and then dragged it over a cliff. Including, of course, Romney himself. And the birthers and Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, et.al. They, of course, will blame it all on Romney, and while he gets much of the credit, the whole crazy Right has shared responsibility. How else do you end up with such a pathetically dismal circus of Republican primary candidates? Huntsman was the only decent one of the bunch.

    This is a sad and embarrassing situation for America. This democracy, or representative republic, needs not only a loyal opposition it needs an intelligent, thoughtful, competent, non-extremist, non-host-taking opposition.

    2012 should have been a crushing, slam-dunk landslide for the Republicans. Don't blame it all on Romney.

  • Heidi71 Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    I find this headline to be irresponsible. Ryan gets so many things right, but this reporter finds one little things to slant about school prayer. And why is there no mention of Obama whipping up his left fringe base? Independents are more conservative than what the Democrat party is turning into.

    Obama's base that took God and Jerusalem out and put same-sex marriage and free late term abortion in. And on the second day of the DNC, when democrats were questioned by the media about it, they tried to put God and Jerusalem back in the platform and there were at least as many nays and yeas. And the whole thing was booed.

    And I think that an article based on what other reporters have said is pretty useless.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    Obama drove the Right the first time and he'll drive them crazier still the second time.

    While Romney will get most of the credit for his loss, the birthers, the anti-Muslim-Marxists, the "he's not a Christian" and "he hates and is destroying America," etc., are all contributing to Obama's re-election. As are Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Sarah Palin, et.al.

  • RunningOnMT Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:49 a.m.

    @Shelama writes "Congratulations on your second term, President Obama."

    What? Somehow I missed out on voting and spending all night watching election results. I can't believe it is already November 7th.

    In all seriousness, the race isn't over just yet. Otherwise, let us congratulate the mighty USC Trojans on winning the national championship.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:56 a.m.

    The delusion will continue until it all comes down. Only then will people realize that the Republican and Democratic elites were there for one reason-to maintain power and enslave the deluded followers. Harry Reid has spent his life doing so; Mitt Romney doesn't have as much experience in corruption (government employment and legalized theft), but wants to give it a try. Anyone who believes that Obama is a God fearing patriot is laughably ignorant. The only thing left in this world is to stand up personally for what's right and wrong and smile at the deluded followers marching off the cliff! It goes something like this, "Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the fairest one of all?" Watching the irony will only leaving me smiling.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Sept. 18, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    @ bandersen
    I confess: I am "laughably ignorant"

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Glen in the Bronx

    I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday.

    ___________________________

    Actually there are several references in the bible showing Jesus in the temple and in the synagogue. Raised as a Jew by devout parents, he would have attended regularly (but on Saturday - the Jewish sabbath).

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Ryan (the right to pray in schools) and Romney (too many people dependent on government handouts) speak to real issues that ring true with many Americans who hold traditional values, and the out-of-touch mainstream media calls them gaffes. Obama's record is one misstep after another that the mainstream media won't call him on.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    RunningOnMT
    Orem, UT
    @Shelama writes "Congratulations on your second term, President Obama."

    What? Somehow I missed out on voting and spending all night watching election results. I can't believe it is already November 7th.

    In all seriousness, the race isn't over just yet. Otherwise, let us congratulate the mighty USC Trojans on winning the national championship.

    2:49 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012

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    Sept. 18, 2012

    Obama = 332
    Romney = 206

    270 is needed to win.

    You don't need to wait until Nov. 7th.
    It's not about your vote anyway...