Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?
who cares really. When folks go to vote they have a couple of things on their
minds. Which guy will get me off unemployment the fastest. Now there probably
are others who are saying - which guy will give me freebies the longest and the
answer is obvious there. Let's hope there are more people voting that want
a job and want to work in which case Romney wins. I guess there is another case
where if you belong to a union that is gutting the piggy bank then Obama is also
The article says Ryan is wrong merely based upon an opinion by Rob Boston,
senior policy analyst at Americans United for Separation of Church and State.That is NOT an unbiased source.It is like saying Biden is
wrong based upon an opinion by the American Family Council. An opinion is not
inherantly a fact (other than it is a fact that it is their opinion)The fact is: The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof"; A court ruing has extended certain interpretations to States.
But the DN also acknowledges that scholars still disagree on court rulings - so
to put "Ryan Wrong" in the headline, when it is a legitimate difference
of opinion, indicates a misleading media bias.Americans United for
Separation of Church and State is arguably wrong in their extremist hostility
towards all religious speech
"Do some people actually believe Obama is still a Christian?"Oh for Pete's sake!That comment is exactly why Romney is
losing - it truly does represent the "base" of today's GOP, and a
growing number of Americans view this "base" with alarm and dismay. Today's GOP is run by and for a group of people who are willfully,
belligerently ignorant of reality.
@USALover"Do some people actually believe Obama is still a
Christian?"Of course. He says he's a Christian and he shows
up to church a few times a year. I don't know what's more mainstream
Christianity than that.
@USAlover"Do some people actually believe Obama is still a
Christian?"Is being a Christian a requirement for the oval
office?Some of the comments on here infer that Muslims aren't
To Blue...How can you say "Romney is losing..." If you check with
Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate poll historically, Romney is ahead
Nationally, and even in the swing states.To Deseret News...Maybe
Paul Ryan gets it right, and it's Deseret News that gets it wrong.
In Muslim culture, religion is patrilineral: It follows the lineage of the
father.Obama's mother was not Muslim, but his father was.In
Indonesia he registered for a school as a MuslimToday he claims to be a
Christian. People change (whether it is real or merely convenient is
another matter) He also claims to be tolerant and a unifierClaims are cheap (Indeed; I am the rightful queen of England)Ultimately I don't particularly care one way or the other, since he is
mostly incompetent - which is not doctrinally identified with any particular
theological belief system On the other hand; passive/aggression
seems to truly represent the "base" of today's Obama apologists,
who throw out wild allegations about his opponent, but lapse into victim mode
when their own pomposity is disturbed, and a growing number of Americans view
this "base" with alarm and dismay.
Blue "Questioning Obama's Christianity is the exact reason Romney is
losing" ??? Really?Not too worried about stretching or twisting are
we.If you do half the research on Obama's religious past as
they've done on Romney, they'd find a vastly different religious
history and what and how he and his wife truly worshipped.Fortunately for
Obama, that was a whole 3.5 years ago so he gets a free pass by his drunken
followers and the media.And if you think that his "new church"
that he rarely attends, proves that he is a true Christian then we can truly
agree that the term "true Christian" can be used very loosley.Maybe my car is a Christian because it goes to church every Sunday.
terrywbisWEST VALLEY CITY, UTTo Blue...How can you say "Romney
is losing..." If you check with Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate
poll historically, Romney is ahead Nationally, and even in the swing states.=============Whatever....Here's some
reality for you.As of today:Obama = 332Romney = 206270 is needed to win.....Rassussmen... haha, snicker,
snicker, snort!Go back to your AM radio shows.
Picking and choosing sources? Two opinions yet one is fact to the writer.
It would seem Romney's biggest talking point should be the economy. Yet he
seems to constantly wander off message and into issues that voters clearly are
not concerned about in this election. A fifty-year old Supreme Court decision is
not on anyone's radar.
God isn't a candidate on the ballot. If god were running, I'd have to
choose "none of the above". I'm not in favor of any of the
"ban" governments (Taliban, LDSban, Westboroban, Catholiban, Musliban,
Jewiban, or even Romneyban).
To Blue and lds liberal.What has Obama done for the state of Utah in the
last 3.5 years?Crickets.....
"I'm not in favor of any of the "ban" governments (Taliban,
LDSban, Westboroban, Catholiban, Musliban, Jewiban, or even Romneyban)."or GaybanFeminsitbanSharptonban?or maybe merely
Are there some people who really believe Obama is not a Christian?
For those of you who complaining about the president' religiosity or
apparent lack thereof, I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus
walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday.
@terrywbis"If you check with Rasmussen, the most trusted and accurate
poll historically, Romney is ahead Nationally, and even in the swing
states."That's not even accurate but whatever, I use
RealClearPolitics and Nate Silver's forecast model, both of them use data
from many polls, including Rasmussen, and both show an advantage for Obama
that's about 2-3% nationally. @AZRods"Fortunately for
Obama, that was a whole 3.5 years ago"You mean how he used to
attend Trinity United Church of Christ? You want to argue that a guy who goes to
a church with Christ in its name isn't a Christian? And why do I have to
even make this argument when the LDS church is one that frequently gets attacked
for not being Christian? Some of you act like the evangelicals who want to
reject the idea that the LDS church is Christian. If these statements were made
against Romney, they'd be called religious bigotry, mostly because
that's what they are."And if you think that his "new
church" that he rarely attends, proves that he is a true Christian"Okay, maybe you're just a Pharisee.
@RanchHandI am very confused by your comment. If God were running
for president, you wouldn't vote for Him? I can understand a lack of
belief in God, but if, by your own admission, God was on the ballot, that would
mean God exists. So even if God appeared, you would still say I don't need
Most "polling" is paid for by the mainstream media. Sometimes they
prefer to bypass the "middleman" and do it themselves. The
mainstream media and the pollsters are doing their best to get Barack Obama
elected.Do you REALLY expect an NBC paid for "poll" (I use
the term loosely)to ever show Mitt Romney winning?People have a
tendency to vote for WHOEVER they think is going to win the election. The
mainstream media "pollsters" are doing the best they can to convince the
"sheeple" that Obama will win.The ONLY "poll" that
counts is the one at the ballot box in November.Do your homework on
who to vote for. Don't believe "facts" coming from media who have
lost all objectivity!!
@CI"or maybe merely passive/aggressiveban" pot
let me introduce you to kettle.
religious rhetoric.When the repub base investigates romney's
religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the
christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized.
@terryreal clear politics, which calculates the average of all major
polls, including Rasmussen, shows Obama up in 10 major polls and Romney up in
one...the one that you chose to cite as your only reference. they
use the same method to calculate the current electoral count which currently
stands at 332 to 206 in favor of Obama.no one knows for sure what
will happen in November for sure but selecting out the one poll that agrees with
you to try to claim an upper hand is a rather weak argument. .
Whether or not romneys' god talkin' is working, it is making one thing
abundantly clear. There is a religious test for the office. It also mocks the
ideas that this is a free republic, and pins our government on a philosophy
which has a good chance of being partially or entirely fabricated.
Nice to meet you Phranc
Blue is 100% correct. The GOP has wondered further & further away from
reality. If repubs ever want to have an influence again they need to get back to
the mainstream.Romney & Ryan are so far out of touch with reality
simply because the GOP has become crazy.
@Fitness FreakYou are encouraging the readers to "do your
homework" ???Why is it that everytime I hear Obama speak, it
seems as though he would prefer the listener to NOT do their homework, rather to
simply to like him, to believe him, to accept him, to relinquish their vote to
him?I have done my homework, watching very closely both candidates,
one over the past 3 1/2 years, the other over the past 10 years. Biased media
microscopes and double standards aside, the choice is a simple one for me.
@CII remember a time when you actually at least pretended to
attempted to engage in a civil and honest dialogue.
@There You Go Again"When the repub base investigates
romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true
church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become
energized."And here comes the arrogance that will lose the
election for Romney. And it comes right behind the apparent bigotry against
Muslims in office. Hmmm ...
I got a good laugh out of this quote from the guy from the bronx "For those
of you who complaining about the president' religiosity or apparent lack
thereof, I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus walked this earth,
he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday."Were
you serious? Or was that meant as a joke? When Jesus walked the earth there were
not any churches, just synagogues...and the Sabbath was on Saturday, not
Sunday.I also wonder if the first comment asking about if Obama was
a Christian was from a Republican supporter or just a liberal troll who just
wanted to stir up the pot.
I don't have time to read all the comments, but a brief survey reveals they
are the same old crazy nonsense. This article, on the other hand, is a
surprisingly objective piece from the DNews. Amazing, in fact, that it has
managed to navigate the censors.
@Fitness Freak"Do you REALLY expect an NBC paid for "poll" (I
use the term loosely)to ever show Mitt Romney winning?"NBC polls
are jointly run with the hardly liberal Wall Street Journal and Marist. Fox News
polls have Obama ahead and I consider both to be valid polls (these polls tend
to be run by other groups like Marist and Robbins & Shaw).Nate
Silver's analysis accounts for a models' history of bias (and overall
error so one takes care of precision, the other accuracy) which is why I use his
model the most. For the record, Silver's "house effects" (bias
factors for polls, as of June of this year) are:Pew D+3.2 (i.e.
overestimates Democrats by 3.2 on average)PPP D+3.1Ipsos D+2.9SurveyUSA D+2.4Marist/NBC D+1.9YouGov D+0.8CNN/Opinion
Research D+0.4Rasmussen Reports R+1.3Washington Post/ABC News
R+1.4Fox News (Robbins & Shaw) R+1.5Quinnipiac R+1.7Gallup
@NTUh, your ticket seems to never want to give details. What tax loopholes
will they close? Silence. What would you replace Obamacare with? Vague ideas.
They want people to just accept that yeah, they will totally get deficit
spending in line but if you study it they want no more revenue than we currently
take in, they want more defense spending, and they say they want to protect
entitlements. There's gotta be something big that they're cutting,
otherwise their deficit reduction is minimal. Bill Clinton noted it, they want
to reduce Medicaid spending by a third based on what the Ryan budget details.
Then again the Ryan budget thinks that eventually all non-discretionary spending
(military and non-entitlement stuff) will be 3.8% of GDP while Romney has
promised to never let defense get below 4% so I've done my homework and
I'm not buying their math.@There You Go Again"When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes
romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of
the repub base, will indeed become energized." As an Obama
supporter, I'd be happy if you tried that tactic.
I suspect this is entirely based on the controversy at the Democratic Convention
over removing, then returning, "God" to the Democratic platform. That
was not a good public relations moment for the Democratic party, to see and hear
thousands of angry Democrats shouting "No" when a motion was made to
restore a reference to God in the party platform.Romney isn't
accusing Obama personally of anything. He's simply saying: "The
Democrats didn't want God in their party's constitution --- I
won't leave God out of my heart."And I think that's
probably a good move on Romney's part. The majority of people in this
country still believe in God. They didn't like the spectacle of Democrats
shouting in anger against Him. Many will appreciate that Romney affirms
God's relevance in the governance of this nation.
"State legislators can, of course, pass school prayer laws if they want, but
it’s a waste of time. If a law mandates or compels young people to take
part in prayer or religious worship, the courts will strike it down."Once again the opposition completely taking things out of context.
Nobody is talking about State's forcing children to pray in school. The
question was "whether he supported giving states the right to allow
'prayer or pledge' in schools." Allow is a very different word
than mandate. This just seems like a very weak attempt to try and
paint Romney and Ryan as disingenuous when it comes to religion. Ryan
didn't get anything wrong, and even if he did I'm not seeing how it
relates at all to Romney talking about God more.
@Blue, et al.In response to USAlover"That comment is
exactly why Romney is losing - it truly does represent the "base" of
today's GOP, and a growing number of Americans view this "base"
with alarm and dismay. Why do you guys respond to trolls? USAlover
doesn't represent a majority view in the base of the GOP and your saying so
is almost as bad as the original comment you responded to. The base
of the GOP is largely the Tea Party. That's the same group that has been
called racist and extremist and also was the prime mover in the GOP winning 63
house seats last election. So it is either one way or it's the other:
Either the GOP base Tea Party IS extremist and pushing people away, or they are
attracting Americans who don't buy the liberal hype. Why would so many
Americans choose to make that drastic a change last election? You are badly
misreading the GOP base (not racist) and the mood of the nation (desperate for
leadership.) Obama is going to lose big.
If religion was important for the role of POTUS I would have to ask. What
religion? Christian? O.K. what sect? Would any religion do? Budhist, Muslim,
Hindu, Taoism, which one? or any? Some critics say that atheism is a
religion. Therefore and atheist would be O.K. too.I am just talking
non-sense as those who claim religion is important in the role of POTUS.Actually the best President of this country is the one who can divorce
his religious principles and send young men and women to war to protect selfish
material interest as oil, copper,etc. or a military strategic position.Have we ever had a real Christian in the White House? Please name one,
just one true Christian. Somebody who did as Christ would have done. An
intelectual challenge for any who believe this myth.
At least we now know which side has decided to make religion an issue in the
campaign and it ain't the Democrats. What an ironic twist.
This is another example of the Deseret News being a shill for the Democratic
Party. The whole story is again misleading and attempts to paint the Romney/Ryan
campaign as extreme and ill-informed. Even the so-called expert opinions are
ones from the far left. Very little fair and objective reporting in this
>>>He cites the landmark 1962 Supreme Court case that banned
government sponsored prayer in public schools and is often cited as the opening
salvo in the ongoing culture wars.I suggest he look up Engel v.
Vitale and actually read the opinion. It did not ban government sponsored
prayer. It banned states from composing a prayer, as New York did, and then
mandating that the school day be opened with it. It was the composing of the
prayer by the state government--which the court decided was religious activity
by government--that crossed the line, not prayer itself or prayer in school, at
least in that opinion.
During the GOP primaries, there were a lot of comments from Santorum and Bachman
supporters questioning whether Mitt was truly a Christian. So I
think it's out of necessity that he is now making these statements to
reassure the GOP evangelical base that he really is Christian. These statements
from Mitt are a lot less about questioning Obama's faith than they are
about trying to put to rest questions surrounding Mitt's own faith.
Pray tell, why is the Deseret News anti Romney? The Deseret News watched
Romney's ability in the 2002 Winter Olympics. The Deseret News knows
Romney's family and their qualities. What is there about the distortions
of the Main Stream Media that appeals to the Deseret News, so much so that the
Deseret News will print as truth anything they say. Paul Ryan was labeled as
"wrong" even though the First Amendment was intended to restrict only
the Federal Government, saying "Congress shall pass no law . . ."
Ryan was perfectly Constitutional and correct. Come on, Deseret New.
Can't you get it right? Or are you only left?
i personally love this last argument. If a media outlet doesn't agree with
me, they are mainstream media. Those people who agree with me are
"objective", where as those who don't have lost all objectivity.
Those who agree with posters own philosophy actually think about who they will
vote for, where as everyone else is a mindless lemmings doing what good
"sheeple" do.The whole idea that people could come from
different histories, and therefor view the world through different perspectives,
even thoughtful perspectives, is not a possibility. This is the continuation of
demeaning anyone who doesn't agree as lazy, ignorant, and surely not as
patriotic as one who agrees with the posters opinion.The thing is,
insulting people almost never convinces them to agree with your opinion.
Calling people sheeple usually doesn't endear anyone to the ideas being
promoted. "Don't believe "facts" coming from media
who have lost all objectivity!!"Best line yet. And the
"true" source of facts would be what? Let me guess... those sources
that match your sense of objectivity?
I am beginning to lose faith in brother Romney. The more I listen to his
rhetoric the more I am convinced he has nothing but disdain for the poor, the
middle class, and labor unions. And yes I do belong to a labor union and I am
proud of it. I had hopes Romney that Romney would run a clean issue focused
campaign instead of resorting to smear tactics and dirty poltics as usual. I
believe the vast majority of americans are decent people who want employment not
government handouts. I for one am tired of the mean spirited rhetoric coming
from the right wing of the republican party. Blaming the poor for being poor
accomplish's nothing. It is not the democrats that are instigating class
warfare it is the republicans with their policies that favor the wealthy. If
people are not paying federal income tax it is the tax policies that allow for
deductions for mortgage interest and charity not deliberately avoiding taxes. I
make less than $50 K and every year I send a check to the IRS. Politics has
always been contentious by nature. That doesn't mean we have to be
As Tea Party people believe in basic government and not one that has grown
faster than it should have for 40 years, they are concerned that a President of
the United States would have some moral fiber, as there are questions about the
current President. Talk about flip flop on his personal beliefs. Those
personal beliefs are not mandatory requirements of the job but they are
definitely an indicator for the type of character he has. A President makes
very important and long lasting decisions for our country. The people voted him
into office as he promised Hope and Change. Everyone has their own definition
for what that phrase meant to them, but the President really has not seized upon
the opportunity of Hope and Change. People chose him because they thought he
would be fair and listen. Instead he forced both Houses of Congress to bend to
his forceful pressure on them as if he was playing basketball. There were town
meetings several years ago and people all around the United States forcefully
expressed their desires but Congress and the President didn't listen to
people's inner thoughts and frustration. Mitt Romney hopes to change who
The way things have been going lately, the only way Romney will win is if
someone sutures his mouth shut between now and November. As it stands,
he's managed to offend practically everyone except the wealthy and a few
Congratulations on your second term, President Obama. Don't forget to send
"Thank You" notes to everybody who contributed to the Republican
train-wreck and then dragged it over a cliff. Including, of course, Romney
himself. And the birthers and Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News,
et.al. They, of course, will blame it all on Romney, and while he gets much of
the credit, the whole crazy Right has shared responsibility. How else do you end
up with such a pathetically dismal circus of Republican primary candidates?
Huntsman was the only decent one of the bunch.This is a sad and
embarrassing situation for America. This democracy, or representative republic,
needs not only a loyal opposition it needs an intelligent, thoughtful,
competent, non-extremist, non-host-taking opposition.2012 should
have been a crushing, slam-dunk landslide for the Republicans. Don't blame
it all on Romney.
I find this headline to be irresponsible. Ryan gets so many things right, but
this reporter finds one little things to slant about school prayer. And why is
there no mention of Obama whipping up his left fringe base? Independents are
more conservative than what the Democrat party is turning into.Obama's base that took God and Jerusalem out and put same-sex marriage
and free late term abortion in. And on the second day of the DNC, when
democrats were questioned by the media about it, they tried to put God and
Jerusalem back in the platform and there were at least as many nays and yeas.
And the whole thing was booed. And I think that an article based on
what other reporters have said is pretty useless.
Obama drove the Right the first time and he'll drive them crazier still the
second time.While Romney will get most of the credit for his loss,
the birthers, the anti-Muslim-Marxists, the "he's not a Christian"
and "he hates and is destroying America," etc., are all contributing to
Obama's re-election. As are Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Sarah Palin, et.al.
@Shelama writes "Congratulations on your second term, President
Obama."What? Somehow I missed out on voting and spending all
night watching election results. I can't believe it is already November
7th.In all seriousness, the race isn't over just yet.
Otherwise, let us congratulate the mighty USC Trojans on winning the national
The delusion will continue until it all comes down. Only then will people
realize that the Republican and Democratic elites were there for one reason-to
maintain power and enslave the deluded followers. Harry Reid has spent his life
doing so; Mitt Romney doesn't have as much experience in corruption
(government employment and legalized theft), but wants to give it a try. Anyone
who believes that Obama is a God fearing patriot is laughably ignorant. The only
thing left in this world is to stand up personally for what's right and
wrong and smile at the deluded followers marching off the cliff! It goes
something like this, "Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the fairest one of
all?" Watching the irony will only leaving me smiling.
@ bandersenI confess: I am "laughably ignorant"
Glen in the BronxI have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus
walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on
Sunday.___________________________Actually there are
several references in the bible showing Jesus in the temple and in the
synagogue. Raised as a Jew by devout parents, he would have attended regularly
(but on Saturday - the Jewish sabbath).
Ryan (the right to pray in schools) and Romney (too many people dependent on
government handouts) speak to real issues that ring true with many Americans who
hold traditional values, and the out-of-touch mainstream media calls them
gaffes. Obama's record is one misstep after another that the mainstream
media won't call him on.
RunningOnMTOrem, UT@Shelama writes "Congratulations on your
second term, President Obama."What? Somehow I missed out on
voting and spending all night watching election results. I can't believe it
is already November 7th.In all seriousness, the race isn't over
just yet. Otherwise, let us congratulate the mighty USC Trojans on winning the
national championship.2:49 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012=========== Sept. 18, 2012Obama = 332Romney =
206270 is needed to win.You don't need to wait
until Nov. 7th.It's not about your vote anyway...