I'm just not sure what is the point of independence. Did we get out of the
MWC just to be free of their ridiculous TV network, or are we thinking
strategically about what markets we want to play and recruit in? With more
conferences going to a 9 game schedule, it will get even harder to schedule
interesting games outside of September and early October. Do we really want to
be playing every team in Utah, Idaho and Nevada for half of our schedule every
year?You fans in California, tell us what it was like watching
BYU's basketball team in a gymnasium this past season? If
we're waiting until the dust settles on conference re-alignment,
that's silly...it could be years before it is finished. If you want to
recruit the best players and make money off of BCS bowls, you have to be in a
BCS conference. I don't get all this talk about being comfortable with the
current arrangement.Oh, yes, and BEAT UTAH!!!
if Notre Dame is playing ACC teams in October or November each year, that means
there is going to be a different "off" ACC team during those weeks
because there will be an even amount (14) of teams in the ACC conference.
Adding Notre Dame to that makes 15. It won't always be easy for BYU but I
don't think Notre Dame's change this week makes a big difference for
BYU's independence. It will be tough to get great teams to come to LES but
there will be ways and the 2013 schedule is equal to or superior than any
schedule BYU had whenever it was part of the MWC or the WAC.
@ eastcoastcougWhy hit the panic button? The BCS is folding and
what good is it to be a bottom-feeder in a BCS conference? Look at the Big East
and tell me that's a conference that matters. Why would one want to be in
the BIG 12 or BIG 10 or PAC 12 if they were relegated to the bottom of the pile
every year just becuase it's a "BCS" Conference? The SEC is the
only league that can crow about their conference schools year-in-and-year out
and it's all based on performance. Notre Dame has sadly been deficienct in
football victories for some time now. Every good program will ebb and flow
(remember Crowton?) but an independent can do all right for themselves should
they continue to win. And ND is still independent in football.....
BYU wants exposure for their entire school, athletics and the LDS church. They
get this by playing teams from all around the country and by having all their
games on National Television. They want to keep the television
rights as much as possible and they won't play on Sunday. They could have
given in on the first one and had a good chance of getting into the BIG 12 last
year but decided to wait and see for a year or 2 or even 3 before sacrificing
all or most of their tv rights. I like that they are holding their ground.
I would like BYU to end up in a good conference in the next few years but
don't want them to give up the exposure and tv rights.Maybe
they can align with a conference similar to what ND did and have several
football games contracted each year, maybe not. I am not too anxious to jump to
a conference unless BYU gets to keep some of what it has earned.
eastcoastcougThis is what you'd have to look forward to if BYU
had stayed in the MWC:"The Mountain West moves into a new era
and television structure in 2012, with a new agreement with CBS Sports Network,
to increase national exposure for the conference's football programs. CBS
Sports Network, the Conference's rights holder, will sub-license games to
NBC Sports Network and ESPN. CBS Sports Network is scheduled to air
eight games from the MW package and the CBS Television Network will broadcast
the Navy at Air Force game on Saturday, Oct. 6 beginning at 9:30 a.m. MT. NBC
Sports Network will televise 10 contests. ESPN or ESPN2 will telecast four
games.The MWC’s television deal will pay the league $8 million
this season, which is $1 million per team."It's not all
about the money, but the money is a factor, and BYU makes more money from ONE
GAME, than MWC schools are getting for the ENTIRE YEAR!Plus no
replays on ESPN/BYUtv, and no guarantee that EVERY BYU home game will be
Just a reminder of what the MTN was like.Early in the basketball
season in BYU's final year in the MWC, Fresno State visited BYU. It was an
intriguing matchup with Dave Rose's mentor, Steve Cleveland, returning to
coach against his former team.Did the MTN televise the game? NODid the MTN allow BYUtv to televise the game? NODid anybody televise the
game? NOInstead of televising a live basketball game, the clueless
managers of the MTN chose to broadcast RE-RUNS of a sport statistics show and a
roundtable discussion of the upcoming basketball season.During the
height of Jimmermania, BYU played ONE nationally televised game during the
entire regular conference season.Playing nationally televised games
in small gyms is infinitely better than playing untelevised games in any size
Amen to the comments about the Mtn. A couple years ago when the MWC BBall
finals were being played the Mtn didn't secure broadcast rights so the
games were not shown. What was? An AFA intra-squad boxing match!Just last week Texas was allowed to keep the Longhorn Network in the Big 12 TV
deal. One of these days teams will figure out that if they play BYU they get
coverage globally, not just in a region of the USA.Gymns vs. arenas
makes zero difference who gets invited to the big dance in March; it's who
wins and plays quality BBall.
I never said I wanted BYU to stay in the obscure MWC. But playing Idaho State,
Nevada Reno and Weber State is not going to get us anywhere either. News flash
to some of you in Utah Valley: The BCS may be morphing but these powerful big
money schools are not going away either. If our mission is to play a few big
names every year but never go to a BCS bowl, just let me know. I suppose there
will always be a bunch of fans just happy for BYU to field a team and sell fan
gear. Shame on those of you who think our guys cannot compete with the best out
there. I think we can do a lot better.
@PhantomBlade,I never said I wanted BYU to stay in the MWC.
Here's what you'd have to look forward to if BYU played in the BIG 12
or BIG East:Our team would play in front of crowds every game over
50k. 100k in the case of Texas. We would be in the paper and on evening sports
in places like New York City or Austin. We would build up rivalries and recruit
more from places where they play real football (as opposed to Ogden or Reno).
Dream a little bigger, my friends. Why do you not think our boys could play in
the big leagues (or is that only for the U of U)? We haven't
played in the NYC market since 1985. I know they love the Giants here but they
do talk about Rutgers, Army, and a few other teams. It's better to be in
the paper than ignored out in the Mtn. time zone.The bigger problem
anyway is not our schedule. It's winning games and earning our way to the
top. LIke TCU, Boise St. and Utah have done each two times.
ToosmartSo what you are saying is it is better to stay independent,
play the idahos, webers and nmsus of the world, get your 8 or 9 wins, play in a
no name bowl and call it good? Sounds about right.There and I
thought you were saying that byU would dominate the Big 12 or 10 from the get go
and never be a "bottom feeder"? Oh well, leave the big boy
football to the Utes I guess.
How many times do Idaho State, Nevada Reno and Weber State appear on any BYU
schedule after this year?Those who see Independence a locking BYU
into playing Idaho State, Nevada Reno and Weber State every year are either
throwing out hyperbole, or haven't been paying any attention to BYU's
schedule after 2012.
yup Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Utah, Georgia Tech, Wash. St, Boise St,
Hawaii, Houston, Utah St, look a lot like NMSU, Idaho st and Weber st.
@eastcoastcoug Actually BYU played Syracuse University in 2000, then
played Boston College 2006, so they have been in the east coast in the last 12
years in football, and they have been up there a lot in basketball.
teanymous and kensterInteresting, I still see 6 slots (the Utah game
has not been added either) in byu's schedule for next year. Plenty of room
to fit Idaho, Idaho state and maybe SUU for home coming. Of course,
you can count on ND pulling out after next year as well with the new demands
from the ACC coming in 2014. Keep the dream alive.
utahcountyute"Interesting, I still see 6 slots (the Utah game
has not been added either) in byu's schedule for next year."Only a jealous, BYU-hating Utah fan would be so blind as to look at the
following schedule and see "6 slots" available - Texas, Boise State,
Georgia Tech, @Houston, @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, @Hawaii, @Utah State, and Utah.
The only thing "not scheduled" about Utah is the date. Regardless of
which opponents fill the last 3 slots, that's as formidable a schedule as
ANYTHING Utah will ever face in the PAC 12.It's laughable how
envious our friends to north are of the success BYU is already having as an
Independent. The fact that you have to resort to hyperbole to downplay a
schedule like that, proves just how desperate you've become.
UteanymousOnly a jealous, BYU-hating Utah fan would be so blind as
to look at the following schedule and see "6 slots" available - Texas,
Boise State, Georgia Tech, @Houston, @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, @Hawaii, @Utah
State, and Utah. The only thing "not scheduled" about Utah is the date.
Regardless of which opponents fill the last 3 slots, that's as formidable a
schedule as ANYTHING Utah will ever face in the PAC 12.It's
laughable how envious our friends to north are of the success BYU is already
having as an Independent. The fact that you have to resort to hyperbole to
downplay a schedule like that, proves just how desperate you've become.____________It's laughable how residents of planet
Provo think they are having success as an independent.Another delusional
BYU fan.Yeah being independent is so great that Idaho and New Mexico St decided
to join! If independence is so great why is Notre Dame making a move away
from it?If independence is so great, why did BYU entertain the thought of
a Big East or big 12 invitation?We keep hearing about the great
scheduling in upcoming years for BYU. Got new for you. Contracts can be broken
Give it up BYU fans. You are not Texas. They run the Big 12 and can do whatever
they want. Just because they kept their TV deal does not mean they will let you
if asked to join their conference.
If it is exposure BYU wants, why is the athletic director turning down
interviews with a national newspaper?Is Tom Holmoe embarrassed of
being independent?Not sure why turn down interview, wouldn't that
give you more exposure?