It was just revealed today that the latest CNN poll which showed Obama leading
was a completely bogus poll. Democrat's were oversampled 33% to only 27%
for Republicans and an even smaller percentage of Independents. Why did CNN over
sample like this?? Obviously to dis-spirit conservatives. Keep in mind here
that had the CNN poll been legit with an equal percentage of Democrats vs
Republicans and at least a more representative and higher percent of
Independents then Romney would be leading by as much as 8 percentage points.
Independents favor Romney 50-44 percent nationally in almost every poll taken.
These polls are bogus and you simply CAN'T look at the raw
percentages - you have to look at the distribution percentages (how many
democrats vs how many republicans) otherwise the poll has no value and is
completely useless. A final fact - almost every poll over samples
Democrats - not quite the extent that CNN did but close. These little political
games are all part of the pro Obama media cover.
What Obama is looking for are polls run Chicago style. Probably why they got
mad at Gallop for no coming up with the "right" numbers a while back.
When I see a poll that has an equal and FAIR distribution of Democrats vs
Republicans and a representative distribution of Independents THEN I will pay
attention to the poll.... otherwise it is just so much liberal "feel
on only bounce obama will get is the one that comes in November and bounces him
out of office in January.
Patriot,You say "these polls are bogus" but you also say
that "independents favor Romney 50-44 percent nationally in almost every
poll taken". I am confused, are you saying these polls are bogus except the
part of the poll that has Romney leading with independents? Could
you share with me exactly what percentage of the country is democrat, which
percentage is republican and which percentage is independent? Could you also
share with me by state how many from each of those groups will vote in November?
With that information I think I can design an unbiased poll. Until then they
will all have their flaws. The republicans need to give up the
liberal media conspiracy theory and get a candidate that gives people a reason
to vote for them. If the republicans lose this election, and as of right now it
looks like they will they have no one to blame but themselves. The economy is
in the toilet, there are democrats who like with Ronald Reagan would like to
vote for a republican if they believed it was a better alternative. All the
republican whining isn't going to lead to a victory in November.
Is anyone else getting tired of seeing these poll results every week? How about
some debates instead!
@patriot"When I see a poll that has an equal and FAIR distribution of
Democrats vs Republican"Actually, we don't want polling to
have an equal distribution of D's vs R's. We want polling to
adequately represent the actual distribution of D's vs R's, whatever
that is (it's not necessarily even).
@xscribeI agree with you. All the analysis about polls is getting
kind of silly. From what I've seen, if a poll favors the candidate you like
then it must be right. If it doesn't then the pollster's sample must
have been biased.
Re: xscribe Colorado Springs, CO"How about some debates
instead!"How will hearing either candidate regurgitate what he
thinks you want to hear change the decision you've already made on who
you'll vote for? Yes, the debates will certainly sway some voters but
certainly not you and definitely not me.
"Less useful is a new CNN/ORC poll, which shows Obama leading Romney 52 to
46 percent"I love how you guys report the news, it's so
slanted I can't even stay on the page :)
There is a different feel to the campaigns this week.Fear is inching
it's way into Mitt Romney's life. He again is backtracking, flip
flopping, making strange accusations. Time is running out for him. Voters can
see this. Voters can see how besides amassing a fortune, his other goal was to
be President of the United States. However, Romney's quest does not come
with the study and work required of the leader of our nation. Romney wishes to
borrow policies and ideas from others. He does not wish to do the work required
of the President. He has hoped his good looks, and promise of "just trust
me", and "wait and I will tell you my plan as soon as I am
President", will suffice. He hopes we little people will crown him as our
King. The massive amounts of money may not give him the kingdom, after all.
No Fit In SCThis voter dosen't see that. Your characterization
of Romney is wrong to this voter and likely many others.
Rifleman: You are correct! But at least we can listen to the candidates duke
it out with each other instead of the lies they put in commercials. Although I
fear this year it will be a continuation of the blame game for both sides, and
nothing substantive will come out of either candidate's mouth. Probably
won't get rid of the polls, either; most likely will produce more polls!
Yay! Can't wait for November to be over, either way. America has shown it
lives on despite who becomes president.
With Clinton's infidelity, and truth telling record, why did Obama need
him to boost his campaign?
Since when did we start electing the President by popular vote? Remember 2000?
@worf, Do you really want to start in with the infidelity and truth
National polls mean nothing. It will come down to 8 swing states and Obama is
leading and trending strong in 7 of those. Romeny did break this past week when
he came out to say he would keep certain elements of Obama care. If you see
more moves to the "center" it is a strong indication that the Romney
camp's internal numbers indicate a loss unless he redefines, or changes,
his positions. His "etch a sketch" tendacies were one of the main
reasons why he was such a miserable Govenor. He only had a 35% approval rating
when he left office after one term in Massachuetts. He needs more than the anti
Obama vote to win the election but his own political record and character are
such that is unlikely he will do so.
I am a Republican and a Romney Supporter but I am concerned about the polls and
how college students at CNN don't care about the employment rate since they
all blame President Bush for the economy and the employment rate and not Obama.
I really hope Mitt Romney needs to be more clear about his plan to create jobs
and turn our economy around. From everyone blogging on Yahoo and CNN sites the
people supporting Obama say Romney needs to give complete details that everyone
who are undecided can make a inform decision. I know Romney don't want to
share those other tax returns but I think this is hurting him too. Romney
should not be afraid of sharing with the Republic his tax returns. I just want
the best outcome for Romney going into the debates. God bless Romney and I hope
he can clear up some confusion for undecided voter.
CHS 85,What kind of expectations do you have for people who lead our
country? I don't consider this a game. I feel a man who cheats
on his wife, will cheat on his country.Again!--" why did Obama
need Bill Clinton to boost his campaign?"
re:Fred44 and alt134First ALL polls nationwide show Romney leading
with Independents - most showing 55-40 percent. I was actually 5% off. Not sure
what you are talking about Fred44 because there is NO comparison here - this is
just sampling independent voters.... not that hard. The higher the number polled
the better the numbers are for Romney. Check it out of for yourself. Now to the
second point for both of you guys. Yes it would be nice to know what the percent
of registered Democrats vs registered Republicans that actually vote in the
election but there is NO way to know what that is exactly especially this
election. You can't compare to 2008 either since Democrats if anything are
less likely to have high numbers due to the dismal performance of Obama and the
disenchantment of some compared to 2008. So what you do is do EQUAL sampling and
then add independents as well. CNN only sampled only 4% independents which is
not EVEN CLOSE to actual percentages that normally vote and they did that on
purpose since Independents largely favor Romney by 14 percent...a HUGE gap.
It's not that hard guys.
@patriotLet me ask again - when was the last time a President was
elected by popular vote? All the polls in the world don't matter at all.
If Utah votes 80% for Romney, do they get more elector votes?
Listen to or read information that confirm your bias.Talk to people who
confirm your bias.Believe in polls that confirm your bias.Bias
Romney may be at his high-water mark in the polls. That's because he and
Ryan, because of their evasiveness and deceptiveness on issues, must constantly
explain themselves. With so much to explain, the debates could be a disaster for
them. As Romney tries to drift toward the middle, Ryan becomes a real
albatross.I don't expect Romney to do any better than McCain on
Election Day, perhaps worse.
Seems to me this just an attempt by the biased Deseret News to put lipstick on
the preverbial pig. Simple fact, Romney got no "bounce" and Obama did.
@CHS 85You're talking to people without ears.
@worfWhy did Mitt Romney need an old Hollywood actor, who has seven
children by five different women, to boost his campaign? Pot, meet
kettle. BTW, Bill Clinton is no longer holding public office. As I
recall, he was impeached while he was President, led by the cavalry charge of a
man who was managing his own extramarital affair.
Patriot,You are right it isn't that hard, you want the numbers
of participants in the poll to reflect where you think the country is, and you
wan't them to vote in the poll the way you think they should vote, and then
Mr. Romney will have the lead. I understand perfectly. What I am saying is the
polls don't matter and the far right will wake up on November 7th having
lost another election screaming media bias, left wing conspiracy, politics of
hate and destruction and all the other excuses they currently use rather than
admit that you cannot seal the deal with the American people even when the
economy is garbage.Bottom line the republicans need to look at who
the run for the office of President, and the politics they force that person
into supporting, because not enough of America is buying it to elect your guy,
and polls aren't the reason.
Re: FT salt lake city, UT"@CHS 85 You're talking to people
without ears."It isn't the people without ears you should
be worried about. It is the people going to the voting booth in November that
should have you worried. I doubt the killing of the US Ambassador to Libya is
going to win Obama any friends in light of the fact he gave billions of taxpayer
dollars to our "friends" over there.
@RiflemanRepublicans are doing their best to suppress the vote and keep
those people you worry about from going into the voting booth. While you may
not be concerned with voter suppresion with those of who you differ from,
beware, because the next group in power may try suppress your vote. I'll
take a flawed democracy any day over a country that denies those of different
socio economic backgrounds the same freedoms we enjoy.
GWBush showed the World that polls and votes don't matter.The
Electoral College elects the POTUS.Obama = 332Romney = 206270 is needed to win.Enjoy the show.
Lots of Hollywood and not much substance - that was the Obama convention. He
had better give us a program to vote for and not just the campaign slogan
"four more years."
re:CHS 85All polls show are trends - nothing more. However for even
the trend to be somewhat reflective of reality the poll must attempt to NOT over
sample - or pad the numbers - of one candidate or the other as CNN did and as
NBC ALWAYS does. The poll must attempt to be even handed. Again - polls are just
trend indicators and nothing more but only if the polls are fair and balanced.
If u want to try a poll that is at least somewhat accurate try the Rasmussen
patriotCedar Hills, UTre:CHS 85 If u want to try a poll
that is at least somewhat accurate try the Rasmussen Poll.3:10 p.m.
Sept. 12, 2012========HaHaHa! ...LOL,
ROTF....snort!..giggle, giggle...You ARE just joking,
....aren't 'ya?...just kidd'in?...right?
@patriotIn a Fox News poll released today Obama was up 44-39 among
independents with 17% undecided.
I wish that all the polls had the same standard, make all of them now those who
are expected to vote and what party they are part of. It would sure make them
more interesting to see how each group would vote today.