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Red roundup: Are the Utah Utes more disliked than the BYU Cougars?

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  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    Definitely:

    Utah's arrogance has made the Utes a pariah.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    Hmmm...a BYU fan writing for the Provo Daily Herald...I wonder what conclusion he's going to come to? Blue goggles much?

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Does the DNews even WANT to be taken seriously anymore? Why do they have a daily link to a biased site pumping up BYU? I've left this comment a few times, but it becomes more and more pathetic every time it happens.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    "If Utah is arguing that its Pac-12 journey is automatically harder, just based on the prestigious names of opponents, it's wrong. The Utes haven't yet had to face two of the best teams, Oregon or Stanford."

    Stanford is NOT one of the two best teams. They had a few good years with Luck, but those are over now. Also Utah's journey is considerably harder. Check the SOS rankings from last year.

    "Utah isn't exactly viewed a threat quite yet."

    Than why have several media outlets identified Utah as the dark horse to win the South?

    "It's a stark contrast to BYU, which has virtually no enemies these days."

    Except of course for the Big 12 and Big East conferences...

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Timid Sparrow

    Utah fans have done way too much chest beating about being invited to the PAC 12, especially for an overall athletic program that isn't even close to competitive in the PAC in any sports besides football and women's gymnastics.

    Utah's "we're too good for the rest of you" attitude will eventually come back to bite the Utes hard.

    The saddest thing to see happening on the hill is Utah walking away from century-old rivalries with BYU and Utah State in favor of playing teams like Northern Colorado.

    When the inevitable losing seasons and no bowl games empty RES, the Utes won't even have fans from BYU and Utah State to help the Utes fill their half-empty stadium.

    As a Utah Alum, it's disgusting to watch the Utes abandoning core values like friendship and respect.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    I don't recall BYU ever being the most hated in-state program, except by us die-hard Utes fans... While I too am displeased that the in-state rivalries are changing, I also understand that Utah has to be mindful of their own goals for the football program. In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in spite of the recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that Utah play teams that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern Colorado don't exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the program is ever going to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't played every for the past 100+ years.

    Until the system changes, Utah is stuck either playing the game like everyone else, or just contenting themselves with mediocrity and crying, "well, the system is against us, so we're choosing not to participate."

    Collegiate athletics are all about exposure for the school (with the exception of Ivy League schools.) Utah is just trying to promote themselves the best way they can.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Isn't whoever wins the most the most hated? For example who hates Utah State? Who hates Southern Utah? Who is the most hated in the sports team in the nation? The Yankees? The Crimson Tide? The Lakers? The Heat? It is the odd program that has a lot of success and is still beloved by anyone but their fans. I don't think hate is the right word - polarizing maybe. Of course BYU and Utah fans love to hate eachother, but that is a rivalry. I think you'd find on a national scale that BYU and Utah (outside of old mountain west rivalries) aren't really hated - in fact, both are pretty admired. It is a silly question.

    Even sillier, why the Des News would give the Daily Herald free advertising space in its own articles.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    Due to being the church school BYU is the most polarizing school in this state. As such they are the most liked, and the most disliked. It's a distinction that is unique to BYU compared to Utah and Utah State.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    No they are not more hated. Mostly for the fact that people around the nation don't know much about the Utes. They can't see them on t.v. except for the occasional bowl game. Other than that they aren't on unless you are a search master and can find the obscure channel they might be on. Oh yeah you can also use the internet to find sketchy broadcasts of the game.

    BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often than not. When they aren't they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions of homes.

    Until Utah gets some decent coverage, they will remain in obscurity for the most part.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    I saw that Franchuck character on Talkin' Sports

    It was pretty funny when he say the BYU players were tired of talking about how great they were.

    Classic take coming out of Utah County.

    As for his premise in the article, meh.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 6, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    "In the current BCS-run world of college football, which in spite of the recent announcement about the play-off system, necessitates that Utah play teams that get them more exposure. Granted, teams like Northern Colorado don't exactly make for ESPN's game-of-the-week, but if the program is ever going to evolve, they have to play teams that they haven't played every for the past 100+ years."

    If Utah wants exposure, why would they dump BYU? The Utah-BYU rivalry has come to be considered one of the best rivalries in the country. It even pulled in the ESPN Gameday crew a couple of years ago. Yes, scheduling teams around the country that they haven't played much would increase their exposure. But dumping BYU does not do that. Face it, playing full Pac-12 schedule doesn't mean a lot to teams east of the Mississippi. In order for Utah to really draw their attention, they need to schedule teams like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Florida St, etc. But don't dump the big rival that helps get you attention.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    Pretty funny Orem Parent talks about "obscure channels," then brings up BYUtv as if it's on each American home's "favorite channels" list.

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    I would say that Utah is more hated right now because they have had the most recent success. that how it goes

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Yeah it is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time isn't it? How a big BCS conference promises the world, working up it's fanbase in promising the biggest network ever in college sports history and it's a grand flop.

    The insult is not so much that a satellite deal hasn't happened, it's the founding cable partners have reneged on the original concept.

    So you have locals on cable networks with no coverage, you have Comcast, Cox, and other non-local networks not broadcasting THEN you have the local and non-local satellite subscribers orphaned as well.

    It appears that no one wants to provide PAC 12 Network like it was planned, so what's up with that?

    Compared to this fiasco BYUtv is in each American's home.

    Yeah, that's pretty funny to point out.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    BYU TV may not be something a lot of people watch all the time. But there absolutely were fans of BYU opponents turning it on last season so they could watch their team play.

    Not to mention the multiple games BYU had broadcast on ESPN last season. Or the multiple games they have scheduled on ESPN this season.

    Fact is, if you want to watch BYU games on TV, you can find them every time.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because BYU TV allegedly is in everyones home, not everyone is watching.
    Care to guess what the major news is tonight? The new Big 12 TV deal with Fox & ESPN.
    Interesting, this forum is really the only place where I see people talk about BYU TV. Why do you think that is BYU supporters? Oh sure, some of you will come on here and say your friends talk about it. But that's it! Big boy football is about big boy networks. Even your ESPN contract pales in comparison to conference deals. And now its going to get even more space competition with the Big 12 deal!

    Get real your indie contract is an experiment. You are not and never will have the star power of Notre Dame.

    Yeah that's pretty funny to point out alright.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Orem Parent said:

    "BYU on the other hand is on ESPN more often than not. When they aren't they are on BYUtv which is carried to millions of homes.

    Until Utah gets some decent coverage, they will remain in obscurity for the most part."

    I wish that BYU posters would stop spreading false information. BYU is not carried to millions of homes. I have Comcast and BYU TV is not part of my channel plan. Because I would have to pay extra to watch it. Most everywhere outside of the state of Utah, BYU TV is part of cable & satellite packages that people have to pay extra for. And when they do pay extra, 999,000 times out of a million they are paying for premium channels like Showtime, HBO etc. Not BYU TV, that's thrown in.

    Again, BYU can be on ESPN blah blah blah. That does not mean the entire world is tuned in to watch. There is this thing called ratings that wishful thinking BYU fans selectively don't bring up. The world does not revolve around Provo.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    sammy,

    I have Time Warner in SoCal and BYUtv is not offered. I called T.W. to request that they offer BYUtv and they said to be quite frank they don't get a lot of requests for that channel here otherwise they would have picked it up already.

    SoCal is the #2 TV market in the U.S. Time Warner is a huge cable provider. To say BYUtv is in every home in America is just a little, teeny, tiny stretch.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    Night Owl

    "Yet again sammyg does not understand that just because BYU TV allegedly is in everyones home, not everyone is watching."

    At least BYU fans have a choice and so do the opponents, PAC 12 fans not so much.

    Take off the crimson glasses. Your bitterness over being shunned by satellite and most cable providers for this fictional network is unhealthy.

    Just accept the truth that BYU has on its own managed to pull together something you and the PAC 12 will never have... a national network that exists.

    No matter how many times you deny it the truth remains the same. BYUtv is out there in more places than your puny little experiment of a network that has orphaned fans coast to coast. That's a national joke.

    Seeing you whine about it is quite entertaining.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 7, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Here's a way to answer the question.

    Go to SLC and watch a ute game, wearing a cougar shirt, then go to Provo for a cougar game in a ute shirt. Compare and contrast fan reactions.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    this article and most of the comments are really, really silly. Honestly, Utah fans, it is quite clear that Dirk included this in the roundup simply because it is so ridiculous. I am sure he though we would get a good laugh at it, and I did! I love how BYU's home "news paper" is working so hard at turning Utah into this villain; not playing USU in a home and home! how dare those Utes! Treating BYU like it is equal to other regional universities?!? Unspeakable!
    I personally do not care if the Pac 12 network is carried all over the world, that is Larry Scotts problem, i just care that i get to see Utah beat the teams they play.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Unrealistic expectation syndrome at its finest. Look no further than sammyg.
    The Pac 12 network just started. Interesting how BYU fans like yourself now say that it did not live up to expectations.
    Yet BYU TV is doing the exact same thing you accuse the Pac 12 network of doing!

    BYU TV is not available to everyone as claimed! And you have to pay extra for it where available!

    LOL!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule

    I don't have to pay extra for it... And I get it on tv, laptop, smartphone and tablet. Hope that doesn't count me as four people.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    Outside the state, BYU is the most hated. The Cougar fans who troll the Utah stories do the same to all their opponents. Who has the time to join a Mississippi State fan board to talk trash? Cougar fans. They're probably already talking trash on Notre Dame fan boards.

    There was a great story on Nebraska having the most friendly and polite fans in college football. I thought "what school is the polar opposite of that? BYU."

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    U 90

    My favorite follower...

    " To say BYUtv is in every home in America is just a little, teeny, tiny stretch."

    And there you go making up stuff again. Never said that.

    But since you mentioned it... Theoretically a BYU fan can easily have his BYUtv anytime he/she wants to by simply having satellite or internet. (ROKU)

    Your example of TWC not covering BYUtv works the same way as your anemic PAC 12 Network... no interest

    But the infinite wisdom and vision of BYU made sure that every household that wanted BYUtv could get it.

    So viewership vs households available, I don't care, BYU wins this argument hands down.

    Pretty funny eh?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    WACPaddled

    Utah fans have been beating their chests for over a year about how great the PAC Net was going to be, yet straight out of the gate, Utah fans in SLC couldn't even watch Utah's first game on the PAC Net unless they had Comcast.

    You can spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the PAC Net failed miserably to deliver what the PAC promised and Utah fans expected.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    BlueCoug
    Orem, UT
    WACPaddled

    Utah fans have been beating their chests for over a year about how great the PAC Net was going to be, yet straight out of the gate, Utah fans in SLC couldn't even watch Utah's first game on the PAC Net unless they had Comcast.

    You can spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the PAC Net failed miserably to deliver what the PAC promised and Utah fans expected.

    _______________

    The Pac 12 network is in its first season. Can't wait to see the spin from cougs when it becomes more available.

    Please tell all your BYU buddies to stop spreading false information about the straw man formally known as BYU TV. Not everyone has access to it as claimed.

    You can spin it however helps you sleep at night.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA
    WACPaddingOurSchedule

    I don't have to pay extra for it... And I get it on tv, laptop, smartphone and tablet. Hope that doesn't count me as four people.

    ______________

    You live in mini Utah state there. Not surprised you can get it on TV.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    This is soooooooooooooooo dishonest.
    Please stop the masquerade of saying everyone has access to BYU TV. It failed in its promise to provide! Just like you say about the Pac 12 Network. In many places people don't even have access, its not available by the cable or other provider, and you have to pay extra to see it.
    You don't know what people all over the place have access to in the first place.

    Move on and stretch & spin another topic BYU fans.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    U 90

    Your example of TWC not covering BYUtv works the same way as your anemic PAC 12 Network... no interest

    But the infinite wisdom and vision of BYU made sure that every household that wanted BYUtv could get it.

    So viewership vs households available, I don't care, BYU wins this argument hands down.

    Pretty funny eh?

    >>>

    I think Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network win your argument hands down. People want to pay for that.

    That's not funny at all.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    no conference championships for U

    What's laughable is Utah fans whining about BYUtv's coverage of a couple of BYU football games a year, versus the PAC Net's coverage of half of Utah's games.

    Most of BYU's games will be on ESPN, with only the replays shown on BYUtv.

    Washington State - ESPN
    Weber State - BYUtv (which unlike the PAC Net, can actually be seen in Utah)
    Utah - ESPN2
    Boise State - ESPN
    Hawaii - ESPN
    Utah State - ESPN
    Notre Dame - NBC

    The ONLY Utah games currently scheduled for ESPN, come courtesy of Utah State and BYU and USC

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    paddlingapologist

    Can you get the PAC Net in Utah with anything other than a premium tier cable subscription?

    Any fan in Utah can get BYUtv FOR FREE over the air.

    For the vast majority of BYU and Utah fans:

    BYUtv > PAC Net

    BYU reality = Utah fantasy

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    sammy, I made nothing up, see your post below. You did say it, just own up to it

    ....Compared to this fiasco BYUtv is in each American's home.
    8:40 p.m. Sept. 6, 2012

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    "Most of BYU's games will be on ESPN"
    5 of 12 games is most?

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. -- Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    SportsFan said:

    "paddlingapologist

    Can you get the PAC Net in Utah with anything other than a premium tier cable subscription?

    Any fan in Utah can get BYUtv FOR FREE over the air.

    For the vast majority of BYU and Utah fans:

    BYUtv > PAC Net

    BYU reality = Utah fantasy"

    Sigh.
    Another BYU fan that thinks the world revolves around Provo. Had you actually read what has been posted here, people are talking about BYU TV access for a fee outside of Utah as part of cable or other packages.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Sorry, you've misread the tea leaves.

    What BYU fans want is the ability to watch EVERY BYU game. Via over-the-air broadcasts, through cable, satellite, internet, and smartphone apps, that's a reality for almost every BYU fan.

    Not so for the majority of Utah fans, despite all of the Utah fan hyperbole. I know many Utah fans living in Utah who couldn't watch the Utah - Northern Colorado game from the comfort of their living room simply because it wasn't available.

  • Reason VS Perspective Fort Worth, TX
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    I get BYUTv or free without any problem. I love the fact that I get to see virtually every BYU game and tons of BBall games. I Really like independance for this!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    U 90

    I said comparatively. It does not make any difference.

    Again, to repeat the truth, if you have satellite or internet you have the availability to get BYUtv. That would be millions of people and millions more than your half baked PAC Net. Theoretically everyone could have access to BYUtv at a reasonable cost.

    Does that make you feel better?

    And for those that are putting forth the pathetic excuse that the PAC network is in only its infancy, dream on. It might improve but its not going to happen soon and it will always pale to what exists now for BYU fans.

    Like the age old story of McDonald's Hamburgers... Wendy's and Burger King will always be #2 and #3

    Find another hill to plant a flag on 'girlse'. BYU OWNS this one.

    Consider yourselves kicked to the curb for your own safety, BYU HD truck coming thru.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    Utah IS hated more than BYU - but only in Utah County!!

    Go Utes!! Go Wildcats!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    Wac Paddled

    "Not everyone has access to it as claimed. "

    Yes they do.

    A fan has the choice to get this channel if they pay for it. PAC 12 Net does not provide that universal access.

    You're the one fabricating the misinformation on this.

    In the event a cable operator does not provide the channel, then a switch to satellite provides the access. If you have internet access the channel is available thru a ROKU box.

    These two options make BYUtv available throughout the world... if the end-user pays for the pipeline and any subscription or equipment fees.

    If you live in Utah, in most places, BYUtv is free over the HD airwaves. Unless you want to use the argument 'you didn't build' or 'it takes a village' and everyone 'shares' and 'pays' something. Geesh...

    So dang simple I'd thought a Ute could figure this out but obviously not.

    Say 'uncle'?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    Night Foul

    "Had you actually read what has been posted here, people are talking about BYU TV access for a fee outside of Utah as part of cable or other packages."

    No one has ever disputed that there are 'fees' in every cable package or satellite tier service.... no one.

    Go Aggies!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    @scenic view
    Baltimore, MD

    "Definitely:

    Utah's arrogance has made the Utes a pariah."

    That's a good one. About as good as the Democratic party saying they are the party of tolerance and acceptance!!

    Love it!!

    Go Utes!! The University of the prophets!!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Worf

    Careful with your comparisons. The spit on my Utah car magnet after the 2009 game, as well has the constant harassment I had to endure at that game might indicate that BYU fans are also capable of debauchery.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 7, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    Isn't BYU TV part of the basic package for both DirectTV and DishNetwork? That's quite a few people who have access to it. And for those who don't have satellite...you can watch BYU TV on the internet.

    So wouldn't that mean it is available to everybody everywhere?

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    "Most of BYU's games will be on ESPN"
    5 of 12 games is most?

    You are right, sir. BYU has a sixth game on a little network called NBC.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    worf
    Perfect response that desrves repeating:
    "Here's a way to answer the question.

    Go to SLC and watch a ute game, wearing a cougar shirt, then go to Provo for a cougar game in a ute shirt. Compare and contrast fan reactions."

    pocyUte
    Ok some BYU fans are jerks and it is football, not church. But have you ever done what worf suggests and wear a BYU shirt to the U. There is a section of Utah fans who view the game as an extension of religious warfare; they are completely out of control and take abuse to new heights (way beyond typical football fan stupidity)

    I attended the U, but I avoid their football precisely because of the venom from a very vocal subgroup. As long as the U refrains from rejecting that sub-set, they will be tainted by it

    I felt abused at my last Utah game - and I was actually wearing a U t-shirt

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 10, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Counter

    I get so tired of hearing how Utah fans are so much worse than BYU fans

    I graduated from both BYU and Utah. I've seen the debauchery on both sides. it is all inexcusable. But the theory that Utah fans are worse than BYU fans complete false.

    I have been to games at Oregon State, Airforce, Arizona, TCU, and at the Sugar Bowl sitting in the midst of Alabama fans, and I have never been maligned as much as I was at BYU, despite that fact that I never cheered against BYU, and only cheered for Utah.

    I have also had BYU fans sitting near me by at Rice-Eccles stadium and seen fans harassed, but also fans treated with respect. But BYU fans posting here would have us believe that the Utah fans as a whole espouse the vile and demeaning, while the BYU fans are above reproach except for a few bad apples. This perception is just flat out wrong.

    As you said, there is a very vocal subgroup that is terrible at Utah, but it is the same size at BYU and is just as bad.

  • Speed_Altitude Centerville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Oh look, another BYU homer article. I didn't even need to read the article to know what false conclusions it would contain after I saw what publication it came from. DOH! Might as well read a Dick Harmon article. Same benefit. None.