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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    No: Democrats are flummoxed by having a failure and a hypocrite at the top of the ticket; God and Jerusalem controversies are merely symptomatic

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Ah, Deseret News. Where would we be without your impartiality and lack of bias?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    "Where would we be without your impartiality and lack of bias?"

    Probably mindlessly regurgitating MSNBC.

    Thank heaven for multiple news outlets.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    Re: KJB1 Eugene, OR
    "Ah, Deseret News. Where would we be without your impartiality and lack of bias?"

    It that the best defense you can come up with for this Democratic gaffe? Typical of the Obama Administration. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    God is added back to the Democratic platform and the arena erupts in a united chorus of BOO's?? Really? We are supposed to think that the party that boo's God is main stream America? Sounds to me like the radicals are running the party and that party is far far separated from main stream America. I will take it a step further and suggest that the Democratic party has been hi-jacked by radical Marxist atheists and it is these radicals that set the platform and the vision of the party going forward. I would also say that many in the Democratic party are completely embarrassed (as they should be) at the conduct of their party leaders. Barack didn't seem to know that God was left out of HIS OWN party platform .... or perhaps he was aware and in fact ordered the removal. Which is it? Isn't he supposed to be the leader and the CEO of the party has no idea what is going on? Really inspires confidence doesn't it. Geez dem's - you guys had better wake up and take control of your party before it is gone!!!

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Is anyone surprised by this?

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    "the Democratic party has been hi-jacked by radical Marxist atheists..."

    And, of course, atheists cannot possibly be decent, moral human beings, with strong family values, a love for the United States of America, and all that good stuff -- because they are atheists!

    Good to know what good sense characterizes the thinking in the Republican party.

    By many estimates, there are as many as three times more atheists in America than there are Mormons!

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    No, not at all.... The republican party is an addict and has yet to pass the first step to recovery. They are in denial... Keep lying about their lies (Seriously).... keep justifying there party positions even though it has proven to NOT WORK.... it really is sad.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    @A Scientist
    "And, of course, atheists cannot possibly be decent, moral human beings, with strong family values, a love for the United States of America, and all that good stuff -- because they are atheists!"

    Of course atheists can be good people: however when your posts repeatedly demean and vilify anyone of faith who is not an atheist, you ironically legitimize the conclusion you disdain.

    And the fact is: all atheists are not good people just like all believers are not good people. Mostly they are human; with all that entails

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    re:A Scientist

    Our founders were NOT atheists. One nation under GOD - In GOD we trust. Remember? Atheists can be fine patriotic Americans and many are but the foundation of America is NOT atheistic. Never was. Read about George Washington, John Adams , Thomas Jefferson, etc... All these great founders saw GOD as central to our freedom and survival as a nation. Now we have a political party that wants us to believe that they are "just like us" and they BOO GOD???? I don't think so!! By the way - Catholics , Jews, Protestants and Muslims ALL want GOD - only radical democrats don't!!! Go figure.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Democrats run their convention like Chicago politics. They changed the wording, "voted" on it and arbitrarily decided on the outcome--the voice of the people be damned. If Obama wants it (obviously for purely political purposes), he will get it. I don't really want this party to be in charge of the USA anymore.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Then you prove my point: belief makes NO DIFFERENCE.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    Outstanding piece of investigative journalism with profound implications for the election.

    Oh by the way, did you happen to listen to Bill Clinton's speech last night? I understand he said some important things in it.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    Typical article from the Romney Reader, a.k.a. the Deseret News.

    The Democratic Convention had such a more positive message than the "I hate Obama" GOP/Tea Party/Koch Industries Convention featuring Willard Mitt Romney. The Democratic Convention also mentioned specific plans and details--something sorely lacking in last week's convention. The Democratic Convention mentioned Afghanistan and thanked the troops--something not done in the GOP convention--whoops!

    Couldn't sum it up better than two lines: Michele Obama "We didn't measure success in the amount of money we made but by the people we helped." Bill Clinton, "We (GOP) made a total mess, you (Democrats) didn't clean it up fast enough, let us take over."

    Is it any wonder the Romney Reader had to insert a story like this with how good the Democratic Convention was? I hope the Romney Reader can pick up the pieces and move on after November 6th when Mittens loses.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    patriot wrote:

    "Our founders were NOT atheists."

    Neither were they "believers" in the same way most religionists are today. Many WERE atheists. More were "Deists" who passively accepted a flaccid notion of "Providence" and "natural religion" that are indistinguishable from a secular scientific naturalism today.

    And please do not bring up Thomas Jefferson unless you have actually read his works, including his revision of the New Testament.

    "Catholics , Jews, Protestants and Muslims ALL want GOD - only radical democrats don't!!!"

    The fact that the word "god" did not appear in the D platform (prior to their caving in to the judgmental believers who played the Emperor's New Clothes scam on them) cannot be taken as evidence that D's "don't want god" anymore than the absence of the word "love" in the Republican Party platform means Republicans do not believe in nor want love!

  • RunningOnMT Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    @A Scientist
    "By many estimates, there are as many as three times more atheists in America than there are Mormons!"

    So having a majority is important? Great, I follow your reasoning that a pragmatic party would side with the majority. According to the Pew Forum's survey on Religious Affiliation, Americans are 78% Christian, 5% Other Religions, 16% Unaffiated, 1% Unknown. (Detailed breakdown shows 1.7% Mormon and 1.6% Atheist). Seems to me the Democratic Party realized they were on the minority side of this issue and made the appropriate course correction by adding God back into their platform.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    "One nation under GOD - In GOD we trust. Remember? "
    Yes I do remember.

    I remember that In God We Trust was added to coins in the 1860's.
    I remember that One Nation Under God was added to the pledge in 1942.
    I remember that this nation was founded in 1776, well before those two events.
    Our founders may or may not have been Christian. Mottos do not support your case.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    This is another example of the clear choices in this election. Mitt Romney is in 100% agreement with his party's platform.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    There was no need to remind Americans of our dependence upon God, until 1962, when school prayer was outlawed by the leftist Supreme Court. Rather than deists many of the Founders were non-Trinitarian Christians, just as is Mitt Romney. For example, Thomas Jefferson rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, calling it "mere Abracadabra" and "hocus-pocus phantasm."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    This is a shame. The democratic party got sucked into this quagmire. One thing is for sure, either religion or Israel, or both, are going to get us into trouble. And nothing divides us like religion.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    A Scientist

    "Then you prove my point: belief makes NO DIFFERENCE"

    Actually my point was: you can not credibly slam Mormons for wanting a "theocracy" (your words) while claiming to be oppressed when others do not want an atheocracy.

    But yes: There is no difference in that people are people and the "atheist good, religion bad" mentality is as bad as "atheist bad, relgion good" knee-jerk assumption. However having a formally defined value system does help guide most people and in the absence of other factors, I tend to trust a believer more than a non-believer

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Re: Hutterite American Fork, UT
    "This is a shame. The democratic party got sucked into this quagmire. "

    With the Democrats it isn't the principle that counts. Obviously they're willing to take whatever position will harvest the most votes.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    I find it funny that "In the opinion of he chair, two thirds vote in the affirmative..." was in the teleprompter. He READ it. It wasn't a real vote with the words already in the teleprompter. Were they planning on switching it if it wasn't 2/3? I doubt it.
    No matter what happened, they were going to change it. They were terrified of the reprocussions if they didn't. Debbie Wasseran Schultz says it was an "oversight". How do you oversee a principle that has been part of the base of this country since the founding fathers? It's common sense.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    So I take it that omitting the word God from a platform and then reinserting it is much more offensive than a presidential candidate who finished second in the 2008 primary and spoke at this years Republican convention who referred to the LDS religion as a cult, and never retracted that statement?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT
    "God is added back to the Democratic platform and the arena erupts in a united chorus of BOO's?? Really?"

    Have you ever considered they were boo'ing the process, not the result? I am sure you didn't give it even the slightest consideration. And lets go ahead and ignore that both issues were things the Republicans claim the want... but now once agin, when they get what they want, rather then being gracious and acknowledge that the "country" has a united platform here, they resort back to acting like 8 year olds.

    ... the "in God we Trust" was introduced WAY after the founding fathers - just a point of fact.

    " will take it a step further and suggest that the Democratic party has been hi-jacked by radical Marxist atheists " says patriot..

    In reality, what happened was a step away from the radical fringe of the party having control, a fact that group didn't like. On the other side of the isle, the pandering to the Tea Party and extremist seems to be full throttle forward.

    The good news is some peoples comments are so regularly hate filled, they are easy to ignore.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    re:Moderate and A Scientist

    Please stop the spin. Have EITHER of you done any reading at all on George Washington or John Adams. I don't know what hoohaw you are trying to spin here but BOTH men were deeply religious men. That is factual history!!!

    Now on to the DNC - let's stop all the excuse making and talk like intelligent mature adults for a moment. It is a FACT that the platform language is gone over with a fine tooth comb. Every word and every sentence is examined and agreed upon by party leaders ESPECIALLY the head of the party - the sitting president of the United States. It was NO accident or oversight that GOD was left out of the party platform for the FIRST time in US history. This act was on purpose and what it DOES say is that this party is so far detached from the main stream of America but they have to continually lie and attempt to falsely project themselves as Michelle Obama did - "just like you". No Michelle neither your husband nor your party is just like us. That is the LIE. This party is AWOL!!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    What is truly sad is rather than looking at the two meetings and being able to identify where the two groups can work together to build a stronger and better country, we still have this huge divisive gap where people on either side truly hate the other side.... all the while claiming to exhibit Christ like traits.

    If these people just spent a fraction of the time they spent hating the other, image the good that could come from it. We don't have to agree on everything. We have plenty of issues we can agree on. But rather, these people choose to turn life into one giant Gerry Springer episode trying to define themselves a being superior to another. This pride is preventing truly great things from happening.

    Just like at work, you don't have to like everyone, you just need to learn to work with one another. This idea that being loyal to a party means you must hate the other side is absurd. When it comes to Utah versus Y football, this gamesmanship is mostly harmless. But when it comes to actually hating your neighbor, we as a society have gone to far.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    So Obama can fix platform positions that he doesn't agree with... does that mean Romney could've insisted the abortion language in his platform include rape, incest, and life of mother exceptions? Oh who am I kidding... that would require Mitt to have a spine.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT
    "God is added back to the Democratic platform and the arena erupts in a united chorus of BOO's?? Really?"

    You don't get it, a lot of those boos came from Christians. Christians who believe that it is not proper to indicate a preference for a particular god (don't play dumb, we all know that it's one specific god that's being referred to... the Judeo-Christian God) in our government based on the principle of separation of church and state.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    I'm glad to see the democratic party take their cues from the Republicans. Still half the dems don't like what happened. Funny, if they all said "Nay" it would have still passed. This convention has been a joke.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    I demand to force my religion on all! Ye shall pray to my God and my God only!

    Don't let equality and impartiality requirements of the constitution stop me. I look forward to the new dark ages.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    The democratic party is just as it should be : completly divided in religious views.

    The democratic party doesn't have a religious test. That's called RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    I disagre with the Republicans stance on Israel. Unfortunately, the Democrats now have the same stance. The Dems were not booing God. I think they were booing how the party leadership has sold their soul for political expediency. The Republicans (and now the Democrats) position hurts Isreal. They should make peace with their brothers while they are still ahead. Romney's visit to Israel highlighted something significant. The West Bank is living in an apartheid state. They desl with blockades and massive restrictions on free movement in their own country and they still have a GNP which is half of Israel's. They must be full lof enterpreneurs. If Israel ended the occupation and permited a Palestinian state their (and the Palestinians) economy would boom. The occupation is bad for business.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    To atl134 12:52 p.m. Sept. 6, 2012

    So Obama can fix platform positions that he doesn't agree with... does that mean Romney could've insisted the abortion language in his platform include rape, incest, and life of mother exceptions? Oh who am I kidding... that would require Mitt to have a spine.

    -------------------

    Exactly my thought. Like you said, though, that would require Mitt to have a spine and to actually take an unequivocal position on something (and enforce it against those who would not agree with him). That's something he has proved himself unable to do. Business as usual for Mitt -- go along with ANYONE, even if it means taking different diametrically different positions which each person to whom he speaks, if that's what it takes to get elected.

  • Sigfried Payson, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @ UtahblueDevil "What is truly sad is rather than looking at the two meetings and being able to identify where the two groups can work together to build a stronger and better country, we still have this huge divisive gap where people on either side truly hate the other side...."

    I agree with this statment. And this current president is the most divisive we have had in a long time. In what way has he EVER tried to unite this country? He speaks to his own and that's it.

    Didn't Michelle say she was never proud of America till her husband was president? WHAT? This is the first lady? sheesh.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    re:Patriot
    And the framers of the Constitution left out "God" too.

    The Democratic platform included a paragraph discussing the importance of the role of faith in American society.

    This is all just nonsense.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    This "vote" should put absolute fear into the heart of every thinking American. This is only another, but much more public, display of Obama's modus operandi. If you don't like the law, change it by fiat. Issue an executive order. Ignore your constitutional duty to enforce the law. And now, hear only the voices you want to hear.

    Don't any of you Obama-defenders worry about the day that your voice will be ignored? Doesn't it concern you that Obama acts more like a despot than a President? Doesn't it bother you that he does exactly what he wants to do without regard to his constitutional duty or his role as a public servant?

    The thing that concerns me is the apparent lack of thinking Americans who continue to apologize for this man and his heavy-handed, bullying methods of getting things done.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Re: Furry1993 Ogden, UT

    The Democrats should be happy that God was invited back into their platform. Based on what the pollsters are noticing the Democrats may want to consider asking Him for some divine help. They are going to need it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    @Rifleman
    "Based on what the pollsters are noticing "

    You mean Nate Silver's model that has Obama as a 75% favorite to win right now? (That might fall to the 60s in a few days though since the model accounts for conventions and Romney had a smaller than usual convention bounce, if Obama does the same then it'll drop back to around the 65-70% range that it was at before the conventions).

    @Furry1993
    Funny thing is that I actually generally trust Romney. I really liked him as a Governor, as far as Republicans go. Of course he's flipped most of his positions since then and I just don't see him bucking a Republican Congress that has made their interests and priorities well known, especially with the Ryan VP pick. I could trust Romney a lot more if he had a Democratic Congress to work with.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    re:UtahBlueDevil and alt134

    You guys are pretty funny. A little bit of "staining at Gnats and swallowing camels" going on here with you two. UtahBlueDevil suggests all the booing had to do with the process. Say what?? The speaker asked for the Yea's and the Nays - this was TWO separate calls - for haven sake listen to the audio yourself. The BOO's for the NAY's were louder than the yea's. But nice try - you are the first to suggest such an absurd excuse. What you two just can't accept is that you belong to a party of people that ON PURPOSE removed GOD from the party platform. OUCH! Sorry guys but there is NO spin out of this one. Alt123 claims that people just don't want to offend anyone anymore so they - out of the goodness of their hearts - decided to remove GOD from their platform. Geez, this is more silly that the first excuse! Listen guys, I know you are liberals and I don't lump you two in with the liberal crazies that have hi-jacked your party but there comes a point when you simply have to admit the obvious ugliness.

  • middle class Cedar City, 00
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    We often forget that there are many religious beliefs and principles among Americans. Some of us have few friends from a religion other than our own. Exactly what does "God" mean to them?

    It is very common for Americans to not respect other's beliefs. Where a particular religion is dominant, such as here in Utah, there is less tolerance. Yes, our leaders council us to be loving and tolerant, but in meetings, hallways and private conversations, we are intolerant.

    So...the Democrats apparently want to follow the principle of Separation-of-Church-and-State in their platform. Can you blame them?

    Rather than invoke some group's religious standards on a nation of disparate religions, it may be better to separate religion (but also acknowledge each other's).

    So many have a hard time acknowledging Obama's true beliefs (Methodist). We really are intolerant!

  • AnH Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    What's interesting, those who speak most loudly about Christ and God are usually the most un-Christlike. The republicans tends to speak loudly on such issues, but there's very little in their actions that would make me believe they possess greater wisdom or moral compass.

  • Bill McGee Alpine, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Democrats aren't flummoxed, bewildered, perplexed, or confused by this. Conventions by their nature are complex, with a bit of cat herding thrown in for good measure. Using the word flummoxed is biased and irresponsible. Were Republicans flummoxed when they adopted a plank that rejected abortion under any circumstances and the nominated a candidate who rejected that plank out of hand? If you are going to use biased language, at least be even-handed about it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    @patriot
    "Alt123 claims that people just don't want to offend anyone anymore so they - out of the goodness of their hearts - decided to remove GOD from their platform. Geez, this is more silly that the first excuse! "

    I myself am a Christian who opposes the use of language in the platform that suggests preference for a particular religion, even when it's my own. I know what you're thinking, something like "disagreeing is one thing but why the booing?". Most of the booing itself was because it was clear that the voice vote was too close to call which would lead to an actual counted vote, but that was ignored and people were expressing their frustration that the system felt rigged (after all, Democrats aren't terribly fond of voter suppression efforts, and facing that in their own convention would be annoying). Were a few booing based on hatred of religion? Sure, but that wasn't what most of them were booing about.

    If you were in a position where a voice vote seemed tied, or leaning your way, and those in charge declared a winner without confirmation that that side actually won, would you be frustrated?

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    If the Democratic platform had continued without the word "god," it would have been more like the U.S. Constitution, which includes no mention of god. Of course, with the Republicans engaging in their usual grandstanding for Jesus, it was easier just to give in. That way, we can get on to real issues.

    Speaking of God, the Founding Fathers taught us a valuable lesson by refusing to have any prayers at the Constitutional Convention, after which they produced a document inspired by God.

    I believe that most prayers in political settings are offered out of fear that not having prayers might turn into a political liability.

  • Reasonable Person123 St. George, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    The vast majority of democrats believe in God. The types of people who become delegates at the Democratic convention are not a part of the mainstream of the party and certainly are not representative of the mainstream of America. That said, it was a terrible embarrassment to democrats. PR-wise, the dems gift-wrapped a useful visual which fits in with the narrative of President Obama's perceived lack of belief in the Almighty and other more unsavory, and mostly untrue, suppositions about him and his faith. The party may becoming somewhat divided but clearly at the top there are some extremists who make the entire party look bad-- Kind of reminds me of another major political party.

    Letting the minority rule the majority is very common within each party. Taking God out of the platform not only treads on the beliefs of those of faith within the democratic party, but worse smacks of Matt 15:8.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    @A Scientist

    None of the founding fathers were atheist or deist.

    Not even Jefferson.

    And many were very deeply religious. The confusion may come because many questioned whether their religious establishment was the true church of Christ.

    Jefferson NEVER rewrote the new testament.

    Jefferson authored two works:

    The first was an abridgment of the new testament, published by congress for use among the indians, to remove the redundancy and make easier for the indians to read and understand. It included many the miracles and divinity of Christ

    The second, he authored after studying over 30 philosphers and concluded Christ's was best. So her authored The teachings and morals of Jesus Christ, which also includes a few miracles and the divinity of Christ.

    -
    -
    The description of what happened at the vote is a perfect example of why the founding fathers did not want the tyranny of democracy.

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:42 p.m.

    Well... I guess the Democrats were not trying to win North Carolina (and the rest of the Bible Belt) after all...?! ?!

    Obama was probably screaming at his TV screen watching this hit the fan...

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    Re: atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    "You mean Nate Silver's model that has Obama as a 75% favorite to win right now?"

    No, I was referring to Senior Obama Campaign adviser David Axelrod reportedly contacting The Gallup Organization to discuss the company's research methodology after their poll's findings were unfavorable to the President.

    The Obama campaign is in trouble and is trying to keep a lid on it in hopes things will turn around for them. You'll have to dig below the surface if you're looking for the truth.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    Liberals don't like the DesNews use of the word "flummoxed" in the headline of this story. What would you prefer? "Confused"? "Bewildered"? How about "perplexed"? There is no bias in this particular headline! Did you see the vote on this!? It was total confusion, bewilderment, even some anger and frustration!

    Just because the liberal media couldn't move on to the next story fast enough doesn't mean that the headline of the Deseret News was inaccurate. "Flummoxed" was actually kind! And what if the headline was a bit right leaning? It isn't enough to have CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, the NY Times, and the majority of other newspapers and news outlets nationwide that are lap dogs for the liberal point of view? No, YOU WANT THEM ALL! And if anyone dares to watch or listen to anything other than those channels exclusively, those people are immediately demonized as "nut jobs" "less educated", "right wingers" and much, much worse.It's completely hypocritical to demand complete impartiality from organizations that admittedly lean right but then conveniently look the other way, even embrace, the blatant liberal bias from the majority of the U.S. national media.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Patriot... I am done playing your little games. If you want to try to feel superior to someone, have at.

    The level of disrespect you have of other people because you decide they are "liberal" makes a mockery of common sense. So just go ahead, feel all superior. It is clear you will not respect other peoples views - ever... it is pointless.

    You hear what you want to hear. Nothing I can do about that, because there is no openness for discussion.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    Vice-President Biden used the word that they voted to include now into their platform in his speech, sort of off the cuff but inappropriate to use in a formal speech. He is used to using those types of words for the second in command.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    @atl134:

    "You don't get it, a lot of those boos came from Christians."

    The boos against inclusion of Israel and God in the Democrat platform are reported in the news as coming from some Muslims as well, who don't like Israel and who would like to infuse their god into the American picture. (monitor: See today's DNews: 'From School to Mosque')

    @atl134:

    "... does that mean Romney could've insisted the abortion language in his platform include rape, incest, and life of mother exceptions? ... that would require Mitt to have a spine."

    Nice try... trying to link Obama's leadership capacity lack, to Mitt. If all else fails bring out the 'blame others' card.

    @Sigfried:

    "Didn't Michelle say she was never proud of America till her husband was president? WHAT? This is the first lady? sheesh."

    Right. And when she and her husband are thrown out of the White House she will likely revert back to her former 'not proud of America' (her words).

    @joe5:

    "If you don't like the law, change it by fiat."

    We see this mentality in real time... with Obama's recent declaration of amnesty for certain illegal immigrants.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    @Steve C. Warren:

    "If the Democratic platform had continued without the word 'god,' it would have been more like the U.S. Constitution, which includes no mention of god."

    Check closely...

    Article VII - 'Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD...'

    Of course, with the Republicans engaging in their usual grandstanding for Jesus, it was easier just to give in. That way, we can get on to real issues.