Boy Scouts greet VP nominee as he arrives in Provo
Scouting is a great organization, of which I've contributed countless hours
of my time volunteering. However, these leaders need to stay on top of their
BSA rules, one of which states: Cub Scout Leader's Manual:Chapter 7: Uniform Rules and Regulations "The uniform may not be worn by
either Cub Scouts or adult leaders when: Involved in any distinctly political
endeavor."The BSA does not affiliate with or promote any
political party. It is a fine line these particular BSA leaders are walking,
having their boys in full uniform there to greet the Republican VP candidate.
I would love to watch a debate between Paul Ryan and biden. Even the past
debates between Paul Ryan and barack....but in the end the welfare left is never
going to budge from their dependent position. Why change? When government will
steal from others and download your foodstamps to your ebt or snap card, and
then you can barter with that and get cash.And that is doing
absolutely nothing each month. Then you beg and use other welfare resources,
pull in tax free income from other spots and you have a 20 hour work month,
better healthcare than those that put in 60-80 hours/week. And you can complain
about everything without bringing a solution to the table.At least
when everything goes down the toilet, the welfare people won't survive when
there is nothing left to take or steal.The best option if barack is
re-elected is to divide the nation. Give the demos $10 Trillion of the debt,
give them their welfare voters, let them borrow print and spend to their hearts
content. Move the rest of us to the other side with the military and any debt
from wars. We'll deal with those problems
Ted, you will get your wish on Thursday, October 11th. Ryan vs Biden. I too
Welcome Paul RyanCome back often (especially as Vice President)
I guess school isn't in session in Provo today?
$25,000-a-plate dinner$2,500-a-ticket VIP reception$1,000-a-ticket
general receptionNice to see that Mitt and Ryan are truly thinking
about us little people and what we can do for them.Wow! All I need
is $28,500.00 and I can attend all the events!
Of course, All that money $$$ will have very little to absilutely NO
influence on these politicians.They will always keep the poor, the
sick, and the elderly 1st and formost in all their policy making....
@rvalens2For $30,000 you can attend an Obama fundraiser in Maine and
for another $10,000 get your photo takenIn San Francisco it is $35,800or $40,000 at Sarah Jessica's placeor maybe merely meet George
Clooney for $15,000So it seem Ryan is quite reasonable
The presence of these Boy scouts is incomprehensible. It shows to what extent
some people are willing to ignore the political neutrality of the Scouts
organization if it serves their agenda. I hope the person responsible for this
will be held accountable.
One question I have for Republicans.... Do you think people like living on
welfare or getting unemployment checks? Do you think these people live
comfortable lives? Do you think the poor are taking all the money in this great
country? The Republicans control 2% of the people. The 1% at the top (wealthy)
and the 1% at the bottom (poor). How do I justify this? Look at most of the tea
party. Southerners who want the government out of their welfare... Make sense??
The top 1% have the bottom 1% voting against their self interest while the 98%
of us in the middle are getting screwed. Low wage increases, little healthcare,
and on and on.... This election and rhetoric is a little confusing don't
you think? Obama 2012 - A vote for the middle class.
wait - i thought Biden was coming too on another flight? Oh that's right -
he landed in Canada somewhere ... still looking for him....
The indignation over these Boy scouts is incomprehensible. Failure to host a
vice president or potential vice president, based upon their politics, would be
deemed inexcusable etiquette. I hope the person responsible for getting kids to
be politically aware will be praised (and maybe even receive a merit badge).
@Counter- As a long time Scout leader, District and Unit, I appreciate your
sentiment that it is a good thing for these boys to witness such things...but
the above posters are all correct a) it would have been nice if they at least
had full uniforms, including the Adult Leader, but most importantly, b) they
should not have been there, greeting and forming an honor line, at an obviously
partisan event - at a political event scouts may present the colors in uniform,
but need to leave the meeting area right afterwards....this is really a serious
breach of Scouting By- Laws and the Unit Leaders need to realize that and
explain to the boys the violation--Scout Law and Oath
I think it's interesting that if you didn't pay but just waited to see
Ryan at the airport, he didn't speak to you. If you're a poor student
and paid $20, you get 10 minutes spoken to the group. I'm sure those that
paid $1000 got a little more time and of course those that paid $25000 got
personal time and a picture. I just love how money talks and is the voice of
Counter IntelligenceSounds like Ryan needs to be at a reduced price
to have any takers. Good for him
Welcome to Utah, Mr. Ryan or as Joe Biden would call it, "Nevada!"
Just remember that one of the founding principals is that congress create and
enforce taxes to promote the general welfare.
I noticed none of the posts so far have much or anything to do with Paul
Ryan's views on America's founding principles, but really neither did
the article commented on, except the half a sentence in which Ryan is reported
as saying he would like to rturn to them.The headline promised more
than it delivered, perhaps more than they could deliver. Maybe it reported the
whole of what he said on the subject.I hope Ryan knows what these
founding principles are, what he feels they are and why, and I would also like
to know how he plans to return to them, and would like to hear him discourse
upon them sometime soon. If anyone heard him do already I would like a good
summary with lots of quotes please.
@ Counter IntelligenceWow! It looks like I can say the same thing
about Obama and Biden. Is money the root of all evil or does it just grease
politician's wheels?It would be nice if both Republicans and
Democrats would offer some low-priced (maybe even free) events for us little
people to attend.But I guess in the end, they just prefer to have us
stand on the corner and clap as they go by, frivolously spending our hard earned
‘Paul Ryan tells Provo crowd he will stick to country's founding
principles’============= Such as what Mr. Ryan?
Telling the truth?! Being Honest? Making up Marathon times and
blaming President Obama for a factory closure in your hometown long before he
was even in office was NOT a founding principle.I suppose flying
around the country collecting $$$ like a pan-handler instead of actually doing
any campaiging was never a founding principle either.
Re: Scoutmaster Paul Mix said he got a call Tuesday night from the Romney
campaign asking for him to arrange for scouts to meet Ryan's plane,
emblazoned with the GOP ticket's "Believe in America" slogan.Some Utah County people were happy to see the Scouts show up to greet
Ryan. I wonder how they'd feel if Obama and Biden started calling
scoutmasters and asking for Scouts to be used as props at Democratic Party
Not quite sure why so many people are all upset that Ryan came here to raise
money -- the fact of the matter is, it takes money to run for office. If people
are willing to pay those prices, why should it bug you? Before I get accused of
anything, I did not see Ryan, although I would have liked to, but I'm not
griping about those who could afford to see him.To
"Republicantthinkstraigh" -- you say the election is confusing, dang, I
had to read your post a few times, and still don't get your point.
Obama 2012...a vote for the middle class? I think not!Since
Obama's been in office...1) $5 trillion more in debt and nothing to
show for it2) gas prices have doubled3) health care costs have
soared4) cost of food and energy has soared5) average household
income is down by $4000 annually6) millions unemployed and jobs that have
been created are low wageIs the middle class better off that it was
four years ago? Hardly!If anything, this country needs a little
R&R (pun intended) from Obama and his middle class killing policies. Ryan is
right...this election is the most important of our lifetime. Another four years
of Obama and his "hoax and chains" will result in a disaster for the
middle class, not to mention our country...
If our candidates are going to tell us during every election that this is the
most important election in our lifetimes, the least they can do is consult a
crystal ball so they can tell which election really IS the most important
election in our lifetimes.
Hutterite: Barry who?Great a article on Paul Ryan! What a thrill for
those cub scouts to be invited to meet him and to all the others who came and
heard him speak. Thank you for coming to Utah. We support you and Mitt to lead
this country back to prosperity!Romney-Ryan 2012
No surprise. DN's lead story highlights Ryan's visit to a "Gated
Community" in Provo. It's no wonder that so many elsewhere view the
State of Utah as a "Gated Community" as well. I sigh. Utah media still
maintains its slant. A local TV station just featured a puff piece lead story
on a WHOLE 12,000 parts ordered from China by Boeing (MEMBER, OBAMA'S JOBS
COUNCIL) without saying how many domestic parts are ordered. What is the
percentage? When microscopes make news out of microbes, mole hills are Tibetan.
And... oh, by the way (the next story) did you know that some guy named Clinton
made a speech last night? Case in point: DN's RYAN lead story
on a "Gated" fundraiser is 50% longer than the "oh, by the way...
" Clinton speaks to the Nation story. Aw, come on!
"This is the most important election of your lifetime"Ummm,
I thought that was the last one... or the one before that. And some how I am
guess the election in 2016 will be the most important.... so long as you need to
raise money.Counter - you forgot the 100,00 dollar a plate dinner
Mitt had in NYC.... or does that not count. Common.... pretending one side is
doing something the other isn't is beyond silly.And the packs -
that is a whole other story.
hudderite (sp)you are the norm for obama supporters, to not know who is
running against your boy. The only reason I read your comment is because it was
so short, otherwise when I see your postings I pass it by. barry has nothing to
run on and yet there are still those that choose to have the government nanny
them. Self reliance and independence is a virtue. Too bad you and others
haven't learned that.
Ryan tells crowd in Provo "This is the most important election of your
lifetime". Well finally he is telling the truth about something!
"This is the most important election in MY lifetime." There, Mr. Ryan,
I fixed it for you.
Those of you who are worried about spending money to see a politician, donate it
to your local homeless shelter, humane society, children's hospital, etc.
and read about your candidate online. You can complain about the financial part
of elections until your head pops off. I can only hope we can get leaders who
will be financially respectful, but it would do us well to remember that no one
president (unless you get 'czars' and bypass the congress) can do much
if he has an opposing congress. And you simply cannot in our day become a
president unless you are already wealthy. So..... do your homework, be honest
with yourselves, listen and learn, and vote in Nov.
1) $5 trillion more in debt and nothing to show for it --> True, somewhat,
but people forget that the Bush Administration is accountable for 2 trillion of
that debt service because of the Stimulus/Rebates of 2008 (which was un funded
in FY 2008, and pushed to FY 2009 (10/1/2008 - 09/30/2009) and TARP 2) gas prices have doubledGas Prices were 3.46 per gallon up until
October of 2008, then tanked, like they always do proceeding a national
election, it will happen again.3) health care costs have soared Most have gone down, and i even got a 2,000$ rebate from my insurance
company4) cost of food and energy has soaredFood goes up
because of energy prices, Energy Prices go up because of un-regulated
speculators. 5) millions unemployed and jobs that have been created
are low wagePresident obama has created 3.3 million jobs to replace the
4.8 million lost during the 2nd Term of President Bush
I think it's sad that because Romney/Ryan believe we all need to tighten
our belts in order to get US finances under control that the democrats tell
everyone they are trying to push grandma over the cliff. Republicans believe we
must take care of our poor and elderly as much as democrats do. But we do
believe we should give them a hand up instead of a handout when and where
possible. What ever happened to the saying "give a man a fish and feed him
for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for life" How a LDS can be a
democrat I'll never understand.
@Rvalens: Amen! See, there's just a tiny difference between
politicians, who pretend to care about us, and us little guys, who need them to
care about us: If they lose the election, they just go back to their old job.
Or, they go back to living on those millions they have. Well, maybe it's
not such a tiny difference, is it?
He said, "this is the most important election of your lifetime" while he
was thinking, "this is the most important election of MY lifetime".
If the people who call themselves poor, would try a little harder to help
themselves we wouldn't be having this problem. Some people are like the
birds following the shrimp boats so long they forgot how to catch fish for
themselves,The adults teach their young to follow the shrimp boats and that
becomes their way of life. Some so called poor have more play toys than those
they envy. People who work for what they have take care of what they have and
watch how they spend their money in the first place.
Paul Ryan tells says "This is the most important election of your lifetime!
... Cause I'm runnin'!'
I think Mr Ryan got his own quote wrong as this election is the most important
in his life.For the rest of us it is important to understand this
election will cost us more money than we have to elect Mr. Ryan to office.His estimates are that the country using his budget will take at least
"30 years", yes 3 decades to balance the budget. Lst time I checked
they will not let a president serve that long. Does he intend to get promoses
out of the administrations following him into the white house?I
would love to see him get aggressive and do away totally with the Bush tax cuts
that so far have cost the country $1.3 trillion in lost revenues.Something new and innovative would really help. Returning the country does
not mean balancing the budget in 30 years on the backs of the elderly.Step up, be a man, take the fat out of Washington prgrams and government
entities, do away with lobbyists and relly put the country back on its founding