only on election day will we know what sort of effect Romney's peculiar
institution will have on the voters. And that is rather far way to predict
accurately. Romney has plenty of time to lose it.
Obama was exposed to a lot of diversity, he had a white mother and black father,
so Obama is mixed in color. About his mother "But she had a healthy
skepticism of religion as an institution" and this is information about his
father. "Obama Sr. was raised in a Muslim family, but converted to
Christianity and changed his name from "Baraka" to the more
Christian-sounding "Barack" when he was about six years old at the
insistence of the Christian missionary schools he attended. He became an atheist
as a young man, before meeting his second wife, Ann Dunham.I
personally believe that Obama could very well be Atheist, like his father, or
looks down on religion as an institution, like his mother and lastly, he could
have Muslim beliefs like his grandparents. I would pick that he is more like
his mother, because Obama believes in the big government institution, not
religion. Religion helps to hold government in check, he doesn't like
I for one, agree that his "religion" does and will have little
impact.The fact that his arrogance,(he tells the NAACP that he knows what
is best for African-Americans).The endorsements from the likes of
Ted Nugent and Paul Murray(remember paul when he told the world that a squirrel
told him to start a mining company).The dog on the roof of his car
incident, and all the other blunders make a much, muchbigger impact then
his "mormonism" could ever!
Suppose Romney becomes President. A year later when he's spending a weekend
at Camp David he gets a late night phone call from President Monson telling him
he's just received a revelation saying it's the will of the Lord that
a certain bill on the President's desk should be vetoed. How would Romney
respond?It's a stark omission that no news reporter has put
that hypothetical question to him, at least that I know of. JFK was grilled
about the Vatican having undue influence in the U.S. Government if he got
elected.Not that they would get a forthright answer from Mitt.
He's very smooth in answering a question by not answering it.
Mitt Romney not ‘Christian,’ says Fox News host - July 2011
Nice try "Counter Intelligence".The article is about Willard
"Mitt" Romney,not about President Obama. If it were I would be
pointing that out.Nice of you to play the "anti-mormon,woe is us"
I'm sure the author hopes Romney's religion won't influence the
election, but I suspect he is wrong. Even a small margin could swing the
outcome to Obama. The media has really not focused on the negative aspects of
Mormon history or teaching, but will as election day approaches. The ex-mormon
community has provided a wealth of well documented information on the internet
that will be thrown before the voters. The high rate of suicide, use of
antidepressants, sexual child abuse etc in Utah will undermine the family values
facade promoted by the LDS church.
"More than 30 percent don't know the religious affiliation of either
Romney or Obama."I'm not sure that Obama knows what
Obama's religion is. When he is with Muslims he sounds Muslim. He claims
to be Christian but has rarely been to church since leaving the fold of Reverend
Wright. If accused of being a Christian in court, I wonder if there would be
enough evidence to convict. Israel does not like many of his policies or
statements in their regard. Ann Coulter insists that he is athiest. @Richard Larson"The dog on the roof of his car incident, and
all the other blunders make a much, muchbigger impact then his
"mormonism" could ever!"So Romeny took his dog for a
drive, where dogs usually like to ride, in the wind. Obama took a dog for a wok
(spelling inentional). Do you really want to go there?
You know leave it up to the this new agency to push for Romney. That way all the
people can be swayed to vote for him instead of someone that will really look
out for the people of middle class income. But remember is was all Obama's
fault for the current events. But no one in Utah will accept the fact that Bush
or the Replications have caused the problems that we are currently in.Just
my point of view.
@Craig Clark"Suppose Romney becomes President. A year later when
he's spending a weekend at Camp David he gets a late night phone call from
President Monson telling him he's just received a revelation saying
it's the will of the Lord that a certain bill on the President's desk
should be vetoed. How would Romney respond?"That is not how
revelation works. No person even the President of the Church can receive
revelation instructing another person to do something. That is intruding on free
His religion may have little impact BUT the influence of his religion on his
personal character will. Mitt is does he has shown his soul and people do not
buy into his nonsense.
The headline is correct, the religion will not have any affect. But when
he loses, a lot of D-news readers will blame people being anti-mormon for the
@Craig Clark,The President of the LDS church would never use a member to
gain political pull, even if Romney were to become President. I can see where
people may get this idea, however, this just exemplifies ignorance. His
responsibility is for the members of the church and their spiritual welfare, not
the duties of the state. However, every President, including the current one,
make decisions based on their personal, spiritual, and moral beliefs. That just
comes with the fact that they are human.
I think America is ready to elect a Mormon President, although I don't
expect it to happen in this election. Romney is more likely to be
Mormonism's Al Smith of Presidential aspirations.
@Craig Clark, zoar63, and SS -I believe if it was the will of the
Lord that a bill on a hypothetical President Romney's desk be vetoed, that
President Romney would receive that revelation from God directly. Revelation is
given to those who have stewardship. If President Monson received this
revelation at all and if he shared it, I would think it would be a second
witness to a revelation given to President Romney directly. And as others have
said, Romney would have the agency to choose for himself how to proceed and
could use his spiritual insights coupled with his other gifts and knowledge to
make a decision.
Mitt's religion rightly SHOULD have little impact on the outcome of the
election, just like other presidents' religions have not disqualified them
from being presidents. Mormons, for more than 180 years, have had the privelige
of voting for non-mormons and mormons alikeThe instructions given in
the scriptures is for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints
to vote for honest and wise people, period. (See Doctrine and Covenants 98:10).
None of the founding fathers were Mormons (obviously, since The Church was not
founded till 1830). Yet they were men who were the best for the job. They were
honest and wise. There have been countless honest and wise men
elected since the beginning of this nation. Not all were so, but many. They
have been from countless different religious persuasions. It seems to me that
both of those characteristics (honesty and wisdom) should be the standards
against which we judge our officials. Either one alone is necessary, but not
sufficient. Together, I believe they are unbeatable. THESE should be the
SS,I wouldn't expect President Monson to attempt something so
unseemly as that. My question was strictly hypothetical but one that we might
hear asked by a reporter. In 1960, JFK was political realist enough to know that
some American Protestants were genuinely concerned about Vatican influence if a
Catholic were President.
Really Rock?That is your rebuttal?First of all one does not strap a
dog,or any animal for that matter to the top ofa vehicle to give them air
when driving.Normal people leave the window down to give them air.Also, when dog is the only source of meat or protein then way not?
@CI: Your posts make me laugh each day. Do you have a blog somewhere? I'm
sure it would be awesome.@Craig Clark: you continue to show your
ignorance regarding all things LDS. I'm still waiting for the national
press to ask Obama why he felt America needed to be fundamentally changed, how
he planned to change her and how America would be better because of this
fundamental change. Aren't you?@Mr Larson: your hyperbole is
If you have to wonder what religion Obama is... you are ignoring the
facts. President Obama goes to Easter Christmas and it has all been
publically noted. Those who claim Obama may well be some other
denomination... are simply lying. Thou shall not bear
tO The Rock. . . @Richard Larson"The dog on
the roof of his car incident, and all the other blunders make a much, muchbigger impact then his "mormonism" could ever!"So
Romeny took his dog for a drive, where dogs usually like to ride, in the wind.
Obama took a dog for a wok (spelling inentional). Do you really want to go
there?--------------------Let's get that issue
straight. Romney deliberately and wilfully abused his dog (nobody who cares
even the slightest bit about his dog would put him/her in a crate on top of the
car); Obama ate the foot his mother put before him. Who do you believe is the
worst? The deliberate abuser? Or the child?
In this election, yes, his religion will have little impact. Put him up against
another White Christian of ANY other denomination and he won't have a
I'm still lost on why being a Mormon means you can't be president of
America. Last time I looked we were all given the same freedom of religion
rights. Has someone re-written the American Constitution and put in that Mormons
are not allowed the same rights as everyone else? If so can we have a copy of
that and a major news story done on it. If that hasn't happened
then America needs to stop complaining about non issues. Getting rid of people
who purposely want to destroy America, is more important than Romney being a
Mormon wouldn't you think?
MoJules Florissant, MOWhere do you twist your information to help
form such opinions? So is the moon made out of blu cheese? Such subjective
analysis (characteristic of the folks at Faux Noise) just makes one's head
spin? So we assume, from your piece, that if your parents wsre religious, the
moon was in it's full phase, and you went to public school, you would like
tofu and sprouts?
@Counter Intelligence:Why would someone blame racism if Obama were to
lose, when he's already been elected? Now, there is a certain percentage of
conservative voters, the tea party, who are in fact racist but those people
weren't going to vote for a democrat anyway.You seem confident that
Romney will win. Have you seen the polls and how the states stack up to the
electoral college? Romney isn't going to come very close to winning.
Oh the disdain that emanates from the resident Republican Furry. Romney abused
his dog by putting it on top of his car? Really? How so?Give us a
break with your claim that you are a Republican but show absolutely no positive
posts regarding any Republican. You and LDS Lib make claims of what you are but
your posts are completely against what you claim. In other words, your words
state clearly that you do not like Republicans even though you claim to be
one.Pagan: don't make us laugh. Obama steps inside a church
that isn't the Rev Wright's one time a year and you want that to
define that he is a Christian? Laughable. The words of Obama let us all know
what religion he is. You do your research on what sounds Obama says are the best
music to his ears.
@pagan- The fact is.... true Christians center their lives around Jesus Christ
on a daily basis, you can see it in their countenance. Going to church a few
times a year doesn't make obama Christian, even though he says he is...With regards to polls, I don't put much faith into them. People
who are polled will sometimes lie. Romney's religion is a bigger factor
than what we're being led to believe.
So it only took till the second post for the right wing to try and use religion
against the current president.I think most folks know who uses religion
against people and it isn't the democrats.LValfre nailed it
too.I'm far less concerned about Monson calling him, I'm
worried when his good buddy Netinyahoo in Israel calls and tells him what
he's gunna do.
It has always bothered me how republicans use religion in their politics. For
example,there has been a feeling in the air that to be a good Mormon, you better
be a Republican. Lets just say it was looked down on to be a Mormon democrat.
You wern't being a faithful member. It is enough to make someone want to
throw up! You go on about Romney being judged for being Mormon and in the same
breath find a way to make a stab at Obama by saying he is Muslim. It is amazing
how much hate exists among the people here. Tell me, if Obama were a Mormon,
would all you people change your attitudes? Probably. you are more worried about
having a Mormon in office than anything. There are good people n most religions
and I get so sick of how people attack each other. I would never vote for Mitt
but it isn't because he is Mormon. There are a lot of Mormons who would
make good Presidents, but he is not one of them.
Only consevative evangelicals have a problem with Mitt Romney's religion.
Howeve they have been conditioned by a concerted Republican attack on Obama from
Day One that he is somehow "the other", different, foreign, and
anti-American.Still, most Republicans believe that Obama isn't
a "real" American, that he was born in Kenya, raised a Muslim, cheated
to get into college where he did poorly, secretly hates this country, and,
through a vast conspiracy and deceit, was elected President in 2008. Maybe they also believe that he became a draft-dodger to avoid Vietnam. Also,
even though his grandfather served with Patton in WWII, they may think he really
dislikes the military because he never volunteered to serve and he really
didn't make the decision to go after Bin Laden. Somehow they've come
to the conclusion that Obama is "ruining" America, but don't know
how.So much political disinformation and simple falsehoods.
Wouldn't it be nice if somehow the propaganda, lies, distortions and
out-of-context citations could be eliminated from the public dialog. However,
then we could have a real discussion rather than have to mess with the
talking-point tripe often repeated here.
To Butler, If Obama gets re-elected, just look at the mess he will
Romney has a 40% unfavorable rating from FOX News...for Pete's sake.FOX News touts Romney's business acumen as his presidential calling
card.If religion is not the basis for the unfavorable rating, what
is the basis?
@zoar63"No person even the President of the Church can receive
revelation instructing another person to do something. "Correct
me if I'm wrong but aren't mission call locations considered divinely
inspired in which case wouldn't that be a revelation of sorts instructing
another to do something? Regardless, I agree that the idea of President Monson
calling a President Romney and telling him to do something a certain way is
@Ernest T. Bass"Have you seen the polls and how the states stack up to
the electoral college? Romney isn't going to come very close to
winning."I wish that were true but there are a lot of states
where Obama only leads by 1-5 points so between a small change and Republican
voter purge efforts, it's not too difficult to see Romney winning which is
why he still scores around 35% likelihood of winning the election on Intrade and
Nate Silver's model.
The better question is what kind impact or influence is religio n and religious
leaders having on Obama?What has Rev. Wright or Father Pfleger
instructed Obama to do? What are Rev. Wright or Father Pfleger
instructing Oabam to do? We know of Obama's strong Islamic
connections.So what is the Islamic brotherhood (a radical islamic
organization) instructing Obama? Why does the Islamic brotherhood
have so much positon ans influence in Obama's administration?In
light of these concerns, Romney's religion is of little matter.
Romney's religion is the primary reason I will not vote for him.
I know it's just a matter of opinion, and mine is as good as Mitt's I
think, but I see my Mormon religion as different from his.Whether
right or wrong about that, he won't get my vote; not that most Utahans
If you believe Obama is not a 'real' Christian... I hope
Christ forgives you for bearing false witness.
Apparently Deseret News doesn't understand that polls lie, and that
religious bigotry is not something that most people will readily admit to. Mitt
Romney will lose this election, and Evangelical Protestant ignorance will be a
major part of why that is the case.
It is most evident that Romney's true religion is gold, pretty much the
same as the rest of the polititions. Romney's failure is that he is Romney,
not his church.
RFLASH: I don't usually respond to what if's because they usually are
silly in nature. The only hate I see emanating on the pages is from people like
you, Pagan, A scientist, Furry, LDS Lib.If Obama was a Mormon and he
still held these same beliefs, I'd have the exact same opinion of him as I
do now. Nothing would change for me. I disregard Harry Reid in the same manner.
He claims to be LDS but does not support the doctrines of the gospel with his
votes. Obama and Reid should read the Book of Mormon so they can see first hand
how those who believe in the government as the end all be all always fall.What cracks me up is the Lefty LDS folks on these pages always say that
King Benjamin is their hero. Well, he worked for his keep, he didn't get
$400/200K for his work and exempt himself from the laws. He also didn't tax
the people for trips around the world for his family.Only the
foolish believe government is the answer and a true Mormon would never be so
Actually, there is no reason his religion should even come up. His pathetic
attempt at introducing himself as a world stage leader should be enough to
convince most right thinking people that this man simply does not have the