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Mitt Romney's Mormon religion will have little impact in election

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  • rightascension Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    only on election day will we know what sort of effect Romney's peculiar institution will have on the voters. And that is rather far way to predict accurately. Romney has plenty of time to lose it.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    July 26, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Obama was exposed to a lot of diversity, he had a white mother and black father, so Obama is mixed in color. About his mother "But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution" and this is information about his father. "Obama Sr. was raised in a Muslim family, but converted to Christianity and changed his name from "Baraka" to the more Christian-sounding "Barack" when he was about six years old at the insistence of the Christian missionary schools he attended. He became an atheist as a young man, before meeting his second wife, Ann Dunham.

    I personally believe that Obama could very well be Atheist, like his father, or looks down on religion as an institution, like his mother and lastly, he could have Muslim beliefs like his grandparents. I would pick that he is more like his mother, because Obama believes in the big government institution, not religion. Religion helps to hold government in check, he doesn't like that.

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    July 26, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    I for one, agree that his "religion" does and will have little impact.
    The fact that his arrogance,(he tells the NAACP that he knows what is best for
    African-Americans).
    The endorsements from the likes of Ted Nugent and Paul Murray(remember paul when he told the world that a squirrel told him to start a mining company).
    The dog on the roof of his car incident, and all the other blunders make a much, much
    bigger impact then his "mormonism" could ever!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 26, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    Suppose Romney becomes President. A year later when he's spending a weekend at Camp David he gets a late night phone call from President Monson telling him he's just received a revelation saying it's the will of the Lord that a certain bill on the President's desk should be vetoed. How would Romney respond?

    It's a stark omission that no news reporter has put that hypothetical question to him, at least that I know of. JFK was grilled about the Vatican having undue influence in the U.S. Government if he got elected.

    Not that they would get a forthright answer from Mitt. He's very smooth in answering a question by not answering it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    Mitt Romney not ‘Christian,’ says Fox News host - July 2011

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    July 26, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    Nice try "Counter Intelligence".
    The article is about Willard "Mitt" Romney,
    not about President Obama. If it were I would be pointing that out.
    Nice of you to play the "anti-mormon,woe is us" card!

  • Designed Eagle River, AK
    July 26, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    I'm sure the author hopes Romney's religion won't influence the election, but I suspect he is wrong. Even a small margin could swing the outcome to Obama. The media has really not focused on the negative aspects of Mormon history or teaching, but will as election day approaches. The ex-mormon community has provided a wealth of well documented information on the internet that will be thrown before the voters. The high rate of suicide, use of antidepressants, sexual child abuse etc in Utah will undermine the family values facade promoted by the LDS church.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    July 26, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    "More than 30 percent don't know the religious affiliation of either Romney or Obama."

    I'm not sure that Obama knows what Obama's religion is. When he is with Muslims he sounds Muslim. He claims to be Christian but has rarely been to church since leaving the fold of Reverend Wright. If accused of being a Christian in court, I wonder if there would be enough evidence to convict. Israel does not like many of his policies or statements in their regard. Ann Coulter insists that he is athiest.

    @Richard Larson

    "The dog on the roof of his car incident, and all the other blunders make a much, much
    bigger impact then his "mormonism" could ever!"

    So Romeny took his dog for a drive, where dogs usually like to ride, in the wind. Obama took a dog for a wok (spelling inentional). Do you really want to go there?

  • Butler slc, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    You know leave it up to the this new agency to push for Romney. That way all the people can be swayed to vote for him instead of someone that will really look out for the people of middle class income. But remember is was all Obama's fault for the current events. But no one in Utah will accept the fact that Bush or the Replications have caused the problems that we are currently in.
    Just my point of view.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    @Craig Clark

    "Suppose Romney becomes President. A year later when he's spending a weekend at Camp David he gets a late night phone call from President Monson telling him he's just received a revelation saying it's the will of the Lord that a certain bill on the President's desk should be vetoed. How would Romney respond?"

    That is not how revelation works. No person even the President of the Church can receive revelation instructing another person to do something. That is intruding on free agency.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    His religion may have little impact BUT the influence of his religion on his personal character will. Mitt is does he has shown his soul and people do not buy into his nonsense.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    The headline is correct, the religion will not have any affect.
    But when he loses, a lot of D-news readers will blame people being anti-mormon for the loss.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    July 26, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    @Craig Clark,
    The President of the LDS church would never use a member to gain political pull, even if Romney were to become President. I can see where people may get this idea, however, this just exemplifies ignorance. His responsibility is for the members of the church and their spiritual welfare, not the duties of the state. However, every President, including the current one, make decisions based on their personal, spiritual, and moral beliefs. That just comes with the fact that they are human.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 26, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    I think America is ready to elect a Mormon President, although I don't expect it to happen in this election. Romney is more likely to be Mormonism's Al Smith of Presidential aspirations.

  • Thunder Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @Craig Clark, zoar63, and SS -

    I believe if it was the will of the Lord that a bill on a hypothetical President Romney's desk be vetoed, that President Romney would receive that revelation from God directly. Revelation is given to those who have stewardship. If President Monson received this revelation at all and if he shared it, I would think it would be a second witness to a revelation given to President Romney directly. And as others have said, Romney would have the agency to choose for himself how to proceed and could use his spiritual insights coupled with his other gifts and knowledge to make a decision.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Mitt's religion rightly SHOULD have little impact on the outcome of the election, just like other presidents' religions have not disqualified them from being presidents. Mormons, for more than 180 years, have had the privelige of voting for non-mormons and mormons alike

    The instructions given in the scriptures is for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints to vote for honest and wise people, period. (See Doctrine and Covenants 98:10). None of the founding fathers were Mormons (obviously, since The Church was not founded till 1830). Yet they were men who were the best for the job. They were honest and wise.

    There have been countless honest and wise men elected since the beginning of this nation. Not all were so, but many. They have been from countless different religious persuasions. It seems to me that both of those characteristics (honesty and wisdom) should be the standards against which we judge our officials. Either one alone is necessary, but not sufficient. Together, I believe they are unbeatable. THESE should be the *litmus test*.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 26, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    SS,

    I wouldn't expect President Monson to attempt something so unseemly as that. My question was strictly hypothetical but one that we might hear asked by a reporter. In 1960, JFK was political realist enough to know that some American Protestants were genuinely concerned about Vatican influence if a Catholic were President.

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    July 26, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    Really Rock?
    That is your rebuttal?
    First of all one does not strap a dog,or any animal for that matter to the top of
    a vehicle to give them air when driving.
    Normal people leave the window down to give them air.
    Also, when dog is the only source of meat or protein then way not?

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    July 26, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    @CI: Your posts make me laugh each day. Do you have a blog somewhere? I'm sure it would be awesome.

    @Craig Clark: you continue to show your ignorance regarding all things LDS. I'm still waiting for the national press to ask Obama why he felt America needed to be fundamentally changed, how he planned to change her and how America would be better because of this fundamental change. Aren't you?

    @Mr Larson: your hyperbole is noted.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    If you have to wonder what religion Obama is...

    you are ignoring the facts.

    President Obama goes to Easter Christmas and it has all been publically noted.

    Those who claim Obama may well be some other denomination...

    are simply lying.

    Thou shall not bear false witness.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    tO The Rock

    . . .
    @Richard Larson

    "The dog on the roof of his car incident, and all the other blunders make a much, much
    bigger impact then his "mormonism" could ever!"

    So Romeny took his dog for a drive, where dogs usually like to ride, in the wind. Obama took a dog for a wok (spelling inentional). Do you really want to go there?

    --------------------

    Let's get that issue straight. Romney deliberately and wilfully abused his dog (nobody who cares even the slightest bit about his dog would put him/her in a crate on top of the car); Obama ate the foot his mother put before him. Who do you believe is the worst? The deliberate abuser? Or the child?

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    July 26, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    In this election, yes, his religion will have little impact. Put him up against another White Christian of ANY other denomination and he won't have a chance.

  • Celticwolf Syracuse, Utah
    July 26, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    I'm still lost on why being a Mormon means you can't be president of America. Last time I looked we were all given the same freedom of religion rights. Has someone re-written the American Constitution and put in that Mormons are not allowed the same rights as everyone else? If so can we have a copy of that and a major news story done on it.

    If that hasn't happened then America needs to stop complaining about non issues. Getting rid of people who purposely want to destroy America, is more important than Romney being a Mormon wouldn't you think?

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    MoJules Florissant, MO

    Where do you twist your information to help form such opinions? So is the moon made out of blu cheese? Such subjective analysis (characteristic of the folks at Faux Noise) just makes one's head spin? So we assume, from your piece, that if your parents wsre religious, the moon was in it's full phase, and you went to public school, you would like tofu and sprouts?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    @Counter Intelligence:
    Why would someone blame racism if Obama were to lose, when he's already been elected? Now, there is a certain percentage of conservative voters, the tea party, who are in fact racist but those people weren't going to vote for a democrat anyway.
    You seem confident that Romney will win. Have you seen the polls and how the states stack up to the electoral college? Romney isn't going to come very close to winning.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    July 26, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Oh the disdain that emanates from the resident Republican Furry. Romney abused his dog by putting it on top of his car? Really? How so?

    Give us a break with your claim that you are a Republican but show absolutely no positive posts regarding any Republican. You and LDS Lib make claims of what you are but your posts are completely against what you claim. In other words, your words state clearly that you do not like Republicans even though you claim to be one.

    Pagan: don't make us laugh. Obama steps inside a church that isn't the Rev Wright's one time a year and you want that to define that he is a Christian? Laughable. The words of Obama let us all know what religion he is. You do your research on what sounds Obama says are the best music to his ears.

  • basket case South Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    @pagan- The fact is.... true Christians center their lives around Jesus Christ on a daily basis, you can see it in their countenance. Going to church a few times a year doesn't make obama Christian, even though he says he is...

    With regards to polls, I don't put much faith into them. People who are polled will sometimes lie. Romney's religion is a bigger factor than what we're being led to believe.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    So it only took till the second post for the right wing to try and use religion against the current president.
    I think most folks know who uses religion against people and it isn't the democrats.

    LValfre nailed it too.

    I'm far less concerned about Monson calling him, I'm worried when his good buddy Netinyahoo in Israel calls and tells him what he's gunna do.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    It has always bothered me how republicans use religion in their politics. For example,there has been a feeling in the air that to be a good Mormon, you better be a Republican. Lets just say it was looked down on to be a Mormon democrat. You wern't being a faithful member. It is enough to make someone want to throw up! You go on about Romney being judged for being Mormon and in the same breath find a way to make a stab at Obama by saying he is Muslim. It is amazing how much hate exists among the people here. Tell me, if Obama were a Mormon, would all you people change your attitudes? Probably. you are more worried about having a Mormon in office than anything. There are good people n most religions and I get so sick of how people attack each other. I would never vote for Mitt but it isn't because he is Mormon. There are a lot of Mormons who would make good Presidents, but he is not one of them.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    Only consevative evangelicals have a problem with Mitt Romney's religion. Howeve they have been conditioned by a concerted Republican attack on Obama from Day One that he is somehow "the other", different, foreign, and anti-American.

    Still, most Republicans believe that Obama isn't a "real" American, that he was born in Kenya, raised a Muslim, cheated to get into college where he did poorly, secretly hates this country, and, through a vast conspiracy and deceit, was elected President in 2008.

    Maybe they also believe that he became a draft-dodger to avoid Vietnam. Also, even though his grandfather served with Patton in WWII, they may think he really dislikes the military because he never volunteered to serve and he really didn't make the decision to go after Bin Laden. Somehow they've come to the conclusion that Obama is "ruining" America, but don't know how.

    So much political disinformation and simple falsehoods. Wouldn't it be nice if somehow the propaganda, lies, distortions and out-of-context citations could be eliminated from the public dialog. However, then we could have a real discussion rather than have to mess with the talking-point tripe often repeated here.

  • KTC John Wetumpka, AL
    July 26, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    To Butler,
    If Obama gets re-elected, just look at the mess he will inherit.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    Romney has a 40% unfavorable rating from FOX News...for Pete's sake.

    FOX News touts Romney's business acumen as his presidential calling card.

    If religion is not the basis for the unfavorable rating, what is the basis?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    @zoar63
    "No person even the President of the Church can receive revelation instructing another person to do something. "

    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't mission call locations considered divinely inspired in which case wouldn't that be a revelation of sorts instructing another to do something? Regardless, I agree that the idea of President Monson calling a President Romney and telling him to do something a certain way is rather ridiculous.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass
    "Have you seen the polls and how the states stack up to the electoral college? Romney isn't going to come very close to winning."

    I wish that were true but there are a lot of states where Obama only leads by 1-5 points so between a small change and Republican voter purge efforts, it's not too difficult to see Romney winning which is why he still scores around 35% likelihood of winning the election on Intrade and Nate Silver's model.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    The better question is what kind impact or influence is religio n and religious leaders having on Obama?

    What has Rev. Wright or Father Pfleger instructed Obama to do?

    What are Rev. Wright or Father Pfleger instructing Oabam to do?

    We know of Obama's strong Islamic connections.

    So what is the Islamic brotherhood (a radical islamic organization) instructing Obama?

    Why does the Islamic brotherhood have so much positon ans influence in Obama's administration?

    In light of these concerns, Romney's religion is of little matter.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    Romney's religion is the primary reason I will not vote for him.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    I know it's just a matter of opinion, and mine is as good as Mitt's I think, but I see my Mormon religion as different from his.

    Whether right or wrong about that, he won't get my vote; not that most Utahans care.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:36 p.m.

    If you believe Obama is not a 'real' Christian...

    I hope Christ forgives you for bearing false witness.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    July 26, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Apparently Deseret News doesn't understand that polls lie, and that religious bigotry is not something that most people will readily admit to. Mitt Romney will lose this election, and Evangelical Protestant ignorance will be a major part of why that is the case.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 27, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    It is most evident that Romney's true religion is gold, pretty much the same as the rest of the polititions. Romney's failure is that he is Romney, not his church.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    July 27, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    RFLASH: I don't usually respond to what if's because they usually are silly in nature. The only hate I see emanating on the pages is from people like you, Pagan, A scientist, Furry, LDS Lib.

    If Obama was a Mormon and he still held these same beliefs, I'd have the exact same opinion of him as I do now. Nothing would change for me. I disregard Harry Reid in the same manner. He claims to be LDS but does not support the doctrines of the gospel with his votes. Obama and Reid should read the Book of Mormon so they can see first hand how those who believe in the government as the end all be all always fall.

    What cracks me up is the Lefty LDS folks on these pages always say that King Benjamin is their hero. Well, he worked for his keep, he didn't get $400/200K for his work and exempt himself from the laws. He also didn't tax the people for trips around the world for his family.

    Only the foolish believe government is the answer and a true Mormon would never be so foolish.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 31, 2012 2:20 a.m.

    Actually, there is no reason his religion should even come up. His pathetic attempt at introducing himself as a world stage leader should be enough to convince most right thinking people that this man simply does not have the chops.