Wow, after reading this article, it continues to amaze me that Mormons consider
themselves "Christian"? Why do you think that you have Christ church
when clearly the body of believers is the Church. We are under a foundation of
apostles from the NT and prophets of the OT and all the believers are connected
with Christ being the Chief cornerstone of the house. We are a temple of the
Lord. The believers. I truly hope you understand this. Read Esph 2: 19 Now
therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the
saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the
foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief
corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together
groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are
builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.Christ gave
the opportunity to all to come to him and 100's of millions of His
believers are being saved. Please stop the boasting when you shouldn't.
Perhaps good intentioned, but it seems clumsy and distorted to lecture on moral
behavior using antiquated fictitious stories from the book of Mormon. It seems
it would be more effective using modern story and example that people can relate
to. There is no shortage of both good and bad examples to use in lesson plans.
RE: Korihor's lies. This shows the need for studying the scriptures.(Mosiah 3:19); For the natural man is an enemy of God, and has been from
the fall of Adam(Ether 3:2)we are unworthy before thee: because of the
fall our natures have been evil continually.Psalm 51:5 clearly
teaches that we have sinful nature from birth: Gen 8:21; Ps 51:5 ; 58:3. Paul
explains, As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none
that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.. (Romans 3:10-11
KJV);Also, Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in
the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and
were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.(Eph 2:3 KJV)
Skeptic: The Book of Mormon is only fictional to those who wish to deny the
truths that lies within its pages.The stories of both the Old
Testament, the New Testament and the Book of Mormon testifies of the divinity of
Jesus Christ as the only begotten of the Father in the flesh. The scriptures
very plainly tells this story. The Book of Mormon was written for our day and
for our time. It gives very plain and understanding things that are not found
in the bible because of either being lost or totally removed from it. Together
the Book of Mormon and The Bible work together to sustain and tell the story of
the Saviors life and symbolism pertaining to his divine mission.To
deny this is as blasphemous as you state about members of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints.Until one actually studies and
understands the principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ all else are appendages
to it. Baptism is essential for entering into the Kingdom of God. However, it
is to be done by whom has proper authority to do so, priesthood authority. None
of the evangleical sects have this authority.
Sharrona -I know that this will fall on 'Deaf Ears', but
I'll answer your suggested contradiction anyway. Yes - all men
(and women) have sinned, and we know that all will sin. All are in need of
Christ's atonement. Sin in this mortal state is inevitable. Just as was
recorded in Genesis 6:5 (and various places within the Book of Mormon),
"...God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
For this, a person's own sins, we are responsible. However, there is a
world of difference between a 'Sinful Nature' and being responsible
and punished for other's sins. If you believe in the New Testament, you
must believe that Christ atoned for the sins of those who would repent.
Repentance involves forsaking the practice. How, then, can you forsake the
practice of another's sins, heaped upon your shoulders at birth? Christ
himself teaches of repentance through himself and to forsake sin. Otherwise, how
could we follow his words - "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father
which is in heacven is perfect." (Matt 5:48)
RE: Abeille, I know that this will fall on 'Deaf Ears. "Be ye therefore
perfect" …(Matt 5:48)Perfect[ed](teleios)in Love(see v
43-47)not that we can attain it in this life, God’s standardTotal Depravity according to Luther, Calvin, Knox, meant that man was beyond
self-help. When man measures himself by man he is always able to find some good
in himself or in others. Even though he was the head of God's
creation Adam failed. he brought depravity on his whole family and to every
descendent down through the ages. We inherited sin and death from old Adam. "… just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death
through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned . . . "
(Romans 5:12).Sin, and death came because of Adam; however grace and
eternal life came through Christ. “But the free gift is not like the
transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more
did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ,
abound to the many" (Romans 5:15).
RE: Sharrona,I enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate the deep thought
you express, but sometimes it is difficult to obtain what is your message.
Could you give a introductory synopsis of what is your argument to make it
easier to digest. Thx.
I am not of the LDS faith but find myself interested in the doctrine and some of
the issues related to why others do not feel that the LDS Church is Christian.
Even a non-member who has done some study realizes that the LDS Church is
founded on the belief in Christ. All of their scriptures speak of this. As to
the topic of this article, I would have to say that we experience this type of
discussion in our society on a daily basis. I am much more open to understanding
than those Korihor-types that seem to constantly speak explaining that there is
no God. Based upon the evil in this world, one would have to make the assumption
that there is also a power for good.To: ILOVEJESUS kaysville, UT - I am
not quite sure what point you are tyring to make. But then again, I do have
problems understanding many of the comments from those living in Utah. It seems
that "religion" has created a strange society there.
Bill in Nebraska,Jesus Christ was the Only Begotten of the Father in
the flesh (on earth) AND in the spirit world (heaven). Only Jesus Christ
pre-existed. No other man or woman ever born on earth can claim this.This is the true doctrine of Christ.
Bill in Nebraska, Baptism is essential for entering into the Kingdom
of God (the 1st Resurrection). However, it is to be done only by one who has the
proper authority to do so, i.e., priesthood authority. None of the evangelical
sects have this authority.You are 100% correct. Only The Church of
Jesus Christ (WHQ: Monongahela, PA) has this authority.
ILOVE JESUS -God has again sent apostles and prophets among his
people to guide them just as he did during Biblical times.The
problem is not our belief or disbelief in the scriptures you sited, but in our
interpretation. We believe there is an organized church given authority by God
to be Christ's church with all the responsibilities and blessings that
entails. Where as you understand this scripture differently. Thomas
S. Monson is God's prophet to modern people like Moses was to the Old
Testament people. We are certainly Christian because we *continue* to be built
upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ himself being
the chief cornerstone and members (and I would add - all good Christians) being
the Body of Christ.Even if you do not agree with our understanding
of this scripture you might at least be able to see why we claim to be
Christian. I hope you understand this point of view and accept that while we may
not ever agree, we both love Christ and recognize what he did for us personally.