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Mitt Romney drops gloves, goes on offense

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    He is going to provide he tax returns? Will he stop using foreign tax havens and outsourcing?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Barak's comments on small business has to be the most un-American thoughts to have ever come out of a president's mouth. Obama wants to punish sucessful people to create a socialist state that will take care of everyone's needs.

    It is easy to rally those that collect income tax welfare (earned income credits, children credits, etc.) to vote for inceasing taxes on those un-deserving (felon) wealthy individuals (ie Romney). Down with all those job-creating money grabing snobs. We certainly don't want a smart hardworking successful individual running the government.

    Barak is inciting class warfare to take attention away from the miserable job he has done with the economy.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Tell us "one vote," who is more capable of having a positive impact on our country - a man with $100 million, or one with $50 million? Funny how having money in other countries is not unpatriotic for rich Democrats. Would you rather have a wise financial manager, or an unwise financial manager to lead us out of our current economic mess? In a downward spiraling American company of 500 employees, is it better to save 300 American jobs and outsource 100 jobs, or lose the entire company and all 500 jobs?

    If Romney's record is so objectionable to you, why isn't Obama's admiration for GE of any concern to you, when they pay no taxes and outsource jobs on a level unseen by any of Bain's clients? I'll tell you why - because it has nothing to do with tax returns, foreign bank accounts or outsourcing. It's all about finding ANYTHING to destroy Romney to keep your man in power. The hypocrisy and faux outrage is so astoundingly evident that Obama's accusations seem more like SNL skits.

    Never before has the strategy of "I know you are but what am I?" been more appropriate.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    July 18, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    Romney sons defend dad, say goofiness is part of his charm, and that's what middle-class America needs, a "goofy GOP president" all while their GOP Congress fiddle as our economy stumbles deeper into their hole they created in 2008. Political strategist James Carville suggested that Republicans are angrier at Mitt Romney than they are at President Barack Obama because the presumptive GOP nominee's refusal to release complete financial records has complicated what should have been an easily winnable 2012 election. I think the Republicans are mad. And you know why they're mad?, Carville asked Fox News Sean Hannity. Because a Harvard-educated community organizer is beating them in a street fight. And they are mad about it because they are used to winning these fights. How can a guy be running for president, know he was going to run for president, and not be getting rid of a Swiss bank account?. Mitt Romney campaign hasn't invited Sarah Palin to speak at or even attend next month's Republican National Convention, in Tampa. Palin has never shied away away from an invitation to knock the Republican establishment. Neither will I.

    MY VIEWS.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    I wanted to comment, but DSB has already said it best. So I will end with Ditto to DSB.

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    July 18, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Seriously, I have no idea why anyone thinks a corporate raider is the experience this country needs in the White House. I would have a shred of respect for the man if he would at least stand by his signal achievement (health insurance reform) in his one term as governor or Massachusetts. Further. his dance around the tax return issue is painful to watch; and his unchallenged comment on FOX that since Teresa Heinz Kerry never released her tax returns in 2004 he does not see why he should either demonstrates a troubling detachment from reality. The growing perception is that something is in the returns that he *really* wants to keep secret and that whatever is in the returns is so bad that the fallout from keeping them secret is less damaging than making them public.

  • Leo Femedlers El Paso, TX
    July 18, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    Where were "one vote" and "Glen in da Bronx" when Obama wouldn't release his birth certificate in '08?

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    @Bro. Chuck - surely you can reference people from Bain, their clients, the Olympics, and Massachusetts who can tell us all how Romney presided with goofiness. No? Yeah, I didn't think so. I've seen Obama dance with Ellen, joke with The View, and sing Al Green's "Let's Stay Together." So what - give me a break about goofiness. Total red herring pile of irrelevant garbage.

    Secondly, thanks for regurgitating the undoubtedly unbiased punditry of James Carville. As a stage performer, he's always good for a laugh, but I doubt Republicans or voters will consider his consistent insane rantings of any value. He's honestly worse than any right-wing commentator.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    July 18, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    If a corporate raider isn't your choice, then tell me, what are you looking for?
    Make sure your realistic to.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Glen in the Bronx,

    You forgot to mention the turnaround in job production Massachusettes had while Romney was governor. That might be considered an achievement.

    Echo DSB's amazing comments above!!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    @ouisc
    Romney's team noted that his job performance his first year was poor because he inherited a mess and it took some time to turn things around. Why doesn't Obama get the same leeway? He inherited a trainwreck and within a year we were back to gaining jobs, albeit the gains have not come as quickly as we'd like but it's hardly like Romney's job record his latter years were steller.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    This is exactly why politics are so fun... Go Mitt!! You've weathered the Republicans, it's time to take out the Dems... Show'em all some vision!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    [Speaking in Pennsylvania on Monday, Romney delivered a free-wheeling attack on Obama's speech last Sunday. Obama raised eyebrows when he said, “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

    Romney retorted that the "idea to say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple, that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motor," ... To say something like that is not just foolishness, it is insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America, and it’s wrong."]

    Context is key.

    Obama: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

    So he's not saying Steve Jobs didn't build Apple. He's saying Steve Jobs didn't build the roads used to ship Apple products out. Romney's misrepresenting Obama though what else can be expected...

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 18, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    President Obama wants to change the discussion from the economy to just about anything else and Romney keeps falling for it. The argument over the role of government in fostering industry is a waste of time. Of course it does. Where do you think the Internet came from? So what? Get back on message.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    To Leo Femedlers 12:28 p.m. July 18, 2012

    Where were "one vote" and "Glen in da Bronx" when Obama wouldn't release his birth certificate in '08?

    -------------------------

    President Obama DID release his birth certificate in 2008 (the same type of birth certificate that we all get when we request one). and Hawaii officials confirmed time after time after time that it was authentic and valid. It was uploaded on his campaign's web page for all to see. Why didn't you look?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    @DSB
    "who is more capable of having a positive impact on our country - a man with $100 million, or one with $50 million?"

    Unanswerable, we don't know if the 50 million dollar guy has less money because he paid his workers better wages/benefits nor do we know what those two end up doing with their money.

    "Would you rather have a wise financial manager, or an unwise financial manager to lead us out of our current economic mess? "

    Businesses operate in the interest of the business itself, it doesn't care about anyone else. A president has to look out for all Americans. The skills are not actually transferable which is why Romney dodged the question about what specific skills he had that would be useful that came from his time at Bain.

    As for GE... you do realize that Democrats are the ones trying to close loopholes corporations exploit right? Is it their fault Republicans block them through the filibuster?

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    July 18, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Re: Big Blue

    Listen to what the President said, not what some right-wing nut job "tells" you what he said. The President said that everyone receives some type of help to make them succeed, i.e. a teacher who influenced you, and for example small businesses use "roads and bridges". They didn't build them but they use them to make their businesses succeed. HE never said they didn't build their business. Bridges and roads; I must have missed how many bridges and roads Steve Jobs built.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 18, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    If you want someone to decide if you succeed or not regardless of effort or ability, vote for Obama.

    If you want to be rewarded for effort, ingenuity, and hard work, vote for Romney.

    Look at any endeavor where success is not rewarded or worse, is punished and see what you find. If work is not rewarded, work will not be done.

    I'll take a rich successful businessman any day over a liftime politician who has never produced or even been a part of anything that has produced anything. If Romney is guilty of something, try him in court.

  • Article-Reader Spanish Fork, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Atl134: i'm sure Henry Ford was elated that someone invested in roads, so that he could sell cars. Oh, wait. . . nope, Cars came before roads, why else would we need roads? Also, business is the art of fulfilling needs. Entrepreneurs have no one to thank for their success except the American People that purchase the products and services that are being sold. The American Government gets it's power from the people, but B. O. would have you believe that the people get their power from the Government. This is anti-American, and is contrary to every single article and amendment in the US Constitution. We the people, not We the Government.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    If keeping your money in off-shore tax havens is job creation, then Romney has something to brag about!

    When we actually get down to the nuts and bolts, debating policy, Romney is going to have a hard sell justifying more tax cuts which greatly benefit the wealthy.

  • cval Hyde Park, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    The Demos only hope is to try to make nothing into something, because nothing is what they have to realistically attack Romney with.

    They keep looking for something, but keep finding nothing, so they keep trying to make it into something.

    Each thing is more vile and ridiculous that the last.

  • dobberdobber Ivins, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    You need to check the statements of both candidates as neither has a sterling record
    for telling the truth.

    Current Fact Check score for President Obama
    and Mitt Romney from Politifact:
    Obama Romney
    True 23% 16%
    Mostly True 23% 15%
    Half True 25% 28%
    Mostly False 12% 15%
    False 15% 17%
    Pants on Fire 1% 9%

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    With the stimulus package, Obama gave billions of dollars to Japan, and China to build wind turbines. He then paid a bankrupt Australian company to build a wind mill farm here in Texas. He then used a Chinese company to do welding on our bridges.

    Isn't this outsourcing? The very thing he's criticizing Romney for.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    July 18, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    I am glad to see that Romney is attacking policy and not personality. What we need is for the President to explain his policies or attack the other persons policies.

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    I could care less about Romney's tax returns or Obama's college transcripts. Knowing the content of either one doesn't tell me how to fix the economy or how they're going to create jobs. It's foolish to insist on having something that won't fix the country. So what Bain outsourced jobs during a booming economy. That's better than outsourcing jobs in this economy. So what Obama hasn't disclosed a lot of his past. So what politicians on both sides have money in foreign accounts. Who cares?? Not me!! Let's not go down a road that won't get any of us anywhere. I want to know how things are going to be fixed, because what we are currently doing, isn't working.

  • floridian navarre, fl
    July 18, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Several thoughts:
    1. Governor Romney is at a distinct disadvantage because he, like me and many others, is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I truly believe he is trying to live the standards of the Church as he campaigns, and is not willing to get in the gutter, or tell lies. Unfortunately, his opponent has no standards.
    2. One vote, did you hear Governor Romney explain that his off-shore interests are tied to corporations that invest in American companies? Probably not, since that info is not on any Democratic point papers.
    3. Chuck Schroeder, don't you think if there was anything illegal or wrong with Governor Romney's Swiss bank accounts that he would have gotten rid of them years ago, since he has been running for President for a few years. And, conveniently, you've ignored his stating that his investments are in a blind trust. How many Democrats have such accounts?
    4. Do any of you think that a wealthy man after more wealth would have forgone any salary while serving as a governor or as the head of the Olympic committee?
    5. Romney will save America!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Let's make a deal. Romney provides tax returns, if Obama reveals passport records, and a copy of his college application. Have them both be transparent.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Romney was at the head of Bain Capital, but he did not do it all by himself. He had the help of many people in his employ. And, you can not dismiss the contributions of the many people that lost their jobs in companies that were ravaged by Bain, and their pension funds that were plundered. These people contributed greatly to the monetary profits of Bain. So in some respects, Obama is right that one person does not build a business by themselves. Steve Jobs May have been a visionary but without the know-how of Steve Wosniak and others, Apple Computing would not have been.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    As to the you didn't get there alone crowd. Well actually they did, the welfare recipients didn't pay the taxes to build the roads, the schools, hire the teachers ect. The businesses that grew, paid taxes, hired employees who paid taxes, built those roads, schools and infastructure. Business not government built commerce. Obama's comment was class warfare at its worst.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. "

    Well - the other shoe finally fell for all to see ... and hear ... and spoken like a true socialist. Barack just couldn't help himself - that is his wealth redistribution passion and straight out of the communist manifesto. I find it really funny - but predictable - how all of Barack's disciples are now trying ever so hard to "explain" away his words and tell us all that he really didn't mean to make those shocking comments.

    So what's the point of Barack's shocking words - that the government is responsible for all and any success me may have had in our lives and we should be ashamed of even thinking it was us who built that business - our genius , our initiative, our hard work, our sacrifice , our blood-sweat-and-tears. Oh no it couldn't be "just us" it had to be because of the government.

    So you see people - because the government did everything for us then naturally we all OWE the government more taxes. Ah Ha!!! The real motivation for Barack's speech - to justify more taxes.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Did Obama fill out a job application when taking office? I'd like to see his college application, and how he paid for Harvard. He should also account for the stimulus package, and the hundreds of millions for his tax free vacations.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    @alt134 - you say: "Businesses operate in the interest of the business itself, it doesn't care about anyone else."

    With Bain, Romney operated in the interest of Bain, and they succeeded wildly. With the Olympics, Romney operated in the interest of the Olympics, and they succeeded wildly. With Massachusetts, Romney operated in the interest of Massachusetts - maybe the record is debatable, but he unquestionably turned their state from an indebted one into one with financial excess, ended up with about 4.6% unemployment (that's considered "full employment" by job statistical measures), and gave the people a health care system they wanted. I think that's successful, but I know others manufacture failures to nitpick.

    Leadership skills are certainly transferable. Everyone who actually knows Romney characterizes him as a very strong leader.

    Since 100% of Romney's experience has been to work in the best interest of whatever he's running, what in Romney's background suggests he'd suddenly act against the best interests of America? Because he invested in offshore accounts? Give me a break! Why are you more concerned about what Romney does with his own money than you are about what Obama is doing with yours?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    this election is really boiling down to socialism vs capitalism. JFK once said "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". Today - the Obama message is the exact opposite .. "ask not what you can do for your country but what the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT can do for you". There are workers and the takers in this country - bet you can figure out the ones who will vote for Barack.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    July 18, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    obama is a pansy. mitt keep blasting his glass jaw

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    re:ute alumni
    "obama is a pansy. mitt keep blasting his glass jaw"

    Apparently name-calling and aggression comply with DN comment standards.

    re:floridian
    "Romney....is not willing to get in the gutter, or tell lies."

    Apparently you missed the comment by dobberdobber (1:50) giving us the politifact tally of Romney's lies: 9%

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    We need Mitt bad. The other benefit of having Mitt is we get rid of a major problem at the same time.

  • Daveman Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    In Edward Klein's book "The Amateur" he stated, before Romney or anyone else won the Republican Primary, that Obama's Campaign Managers had convinced him the only way to win in 2012 was to run a down and dirty smear campaign against whichever Republican opponent was chosen. He further iterated that the 2012 election is expected to be one of the nastiest mud-slinging brawls in history, simply because Obama MUST deflect the discussion from his first-term record.Anyone voters who gets sucked into the mud wrestling match and ignore the real issues run the risk of putting an incompetent, left wing socialist back into the White House and almost guaranteeing America becomes an also-ran country in four to six years. Wake up America, if Romney is not perfect (and who is?) with his experience and character he would be 100 times more effective at running the country and maintaining our sovereignty and world power than Obama.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    July 18, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    I'm sure the President is shaking in his “Nicaraguan made” boots - also, I love how you can always spot the right-wing-propaganda listeners/watchers by their comments and "faux" outrage. I wonder why the "lame-stream" liberal media isn't talking about what Obama says about small businesses... perhaps it was the selective editing done by Faux-news et al, to make it sound like he was saying that businesses must rely on the government LOL If only the “lame-stream media” would jump on the same selective editing bandwagon and join in on the faux-outrage! Sucker born every minute indeed.

  • Steven Harper Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    Just finished reading 30+ comments on this thread. My takeaways: Barack Obama's is the more compelling American narrative. His rise DOES validate Americans' belief in working hard to succeed. Mitt Romney was born on third base, by comparison. Mr. Romney's business expertise made him personally wealthy, but hurt a lot of American workers who lost their jobs, pensions, and health care. The skills sets of a CEO are not those of the POTUS. Our government is not a corporation whose goal is to make profits and benefit shareholders. Our government is purposely three-pronged to make it difficult to get things done. CEOs have a single vision that is implemented by employees or they lose their jobs. The POTUS is the leader of a diverse, multicultural country. Again, advantage President Obama.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    Obama hates business owners and success. The American dream is drifting away.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    It is going to a long road to November.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    I really think that the Deseret News should shut down the comment boards on the Presidential election until November. Being owned by the LDS Church, they really shouldn't provide a place for comments like the ones I have just read.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    If your taxable income is in excess of $ 250,000 you will pay more taxes when the George W. Bush "Tax Cuts for the Rich" expire.
    As I read the comments in favor of Romney policies, it appears there are far more very rich people than is reported in the news.
    If you want to be rewarded for offshoring jobs from America to China, the Phillipines, etc., vote for Romney.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    re:ParkCityAggie

    "If you've got a business, you DIDN'T build that business. Somebody else made that happen". So which part of that quote from your "historic leader" did you not understand? By the way that frightening comment - straight out the communist think tank - is going over like a lead balloon with business owners nation wide. In order for Barack to stick us all with his gigantic tax increases (soon to come) he has to "attempt" to make us all feel guilty for any and all success we may have stumbled into in our lives and therefore feel obligated to naturally want to pay "our fair share" of taxes to our beloved Uncle Sam. My guess is Barack's next trick is to try to make doctors feel guilty for sticking it to poor sick people - they ought to just accept some small compensation from our gracious government instead. Finally - you really ought to at least "try" some other "real" news station other than MSNBC.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    re:Steven Harper

    HA! Spoken like a true MSNBC watcher!!! Holy cow - I'm not sure where to even start with your comment. As I commented before - this election is really about socialism vs capitalism. Your "compelling" socialist president isn't so compelling to most Americans - at least those who have even a casual understanding of American history. Make you a deal - I'll take Mitt along with a Reagan style recovery and you can keep Barack with his 16 trillion in debt and 8.2% unemployment.... oh and you can "donate" 75% of your income to uncle Sam - just like socialist Europe!!

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Will Mitt drop the the cover-up about his taxes? Even his dad was more forthcoming.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    July 18, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    I was on a plane a month ago and the guy next to me starts talking about ObamaCare and what a godsend it is. Now I have a number of small businesses, and a few large corporations as clients and they all complain bitterly about the loss of jobs OC will cost, and the millions of jobs already lost because of the policies of this administration. So I asked him: do the benefits of OC outweigh the massive job and profit loss? He said: "What do I care, I just want better health insurance?" So naturally I asked him what he does for work. His answer: "Work? I put my time in, now the government can pay me." He was 48 years old. Unemployed. Living on government handouts. (and he was white) Everytime someone praises ObamaCare, Obama policies, Obama entitlements, I think of that guy.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    Article reader, there certainly were roads. Steve Jobs wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the internet infrastructure built by the government. The power grid helped. Can't use a computer when the lights are out.

    But it's easier to take a statement out of context than actually defend any policies that your candidate has proposed. He's against alot. He isn't for anything except helping himself and his uber-rich friends at the expense of the middle class.

    No thanks Mitt.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    I really don't know this, but how many years of tax returns did Obama produce? The one I remember is where he and his wife are multimillionaires and the liberal media was praising them to high heaven for doing so well. What difference does it make if Romney produces his tax records for the past 10 years? Even the IRS only requires 7 years. The point is, Romney may not be perfect, but he has not damaged America as Obama has. Obama is selling out the middle class, the upper class and is hoping everyone will be in the lower and poor class so the government can support them. Thus, many people will be dependent on the government and the American individuality and free spirit will become nonexistent. This is Socialism, pure and simple and it’s already starting. The Government controls by not allowing free enterprise to thrive or even exist by charging prohibitive taxes and implementing unreasonable regulations. Small business is suffering or going out of business.

    People, instead of supporting Romney, who has the know how to get America out of the Obamamess why in the world are we supporting Obama? Just makes no sense.

  • floridian navarre, fl
    July 18, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Truth Seeker @ 3:37PM -- Let's take a look at PolitiFact -- In January 2012, commentators such as Rachel Maddow and Daily Kos criticized PolitiFact for rating a statement in President Obama's State of the Union address about private sector job growth as "Half True"...in response to the criticism PolitiFact altered their rating to "Mostly True", which was criticized as still being inaccurate. Would lead me to question how accurate their ratings really are, especially since their "Lies of the Year" were from Repubs in 2009 and 2010. To balance the books, so to speak, they chose a Dem's statement for 2011. And then, sometimes the President has made statements that are tough to rate -- "The TARP saved or created 2 million jobs". PolitiFact rated that as "Half True" 'cause they estimated the number was only 1 million. They were criticized because such a number is hard to prove. Lastly, this Administration claims that 4+ million have been created since 2008. That number includes temporary jobs (census takers) that no longer exist. Is that number claimed a true statement? Certainly, but is it really a truth when the other half of the picture is not painted?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    Go Obama!!

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    July 18, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Glen In the Bronx,
    I find it curious that you have concerns about Romney's tax returns and we know virtually nothing about Obama's whole life. How about this, Romney brings 10 years of tax returns and Obama provides transcripts of his grades at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard and records of his real estate transaction with Tony"The Felon" Rezco. Sounds like a fair deal to me, however Obama would NEVER agree to releasing any of his past records.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    I don't know why Sununu felt any obligation to apologize. Obama WAS in Hawaii smoking something and, in his own words, using "a little blow." How this country ever got to the point where a person with such a history could be elected president is beyond me. It is a sad state of affairs.

  • Getting it Right Sunnyvale, CA
    July 18, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    The American Dream is dying. What makes this country great is fading. Our Constitution is hanging by a thread.

  • Ex-Pat of Zion Lititz, PA
    July 18, 2012 6:12 p.m.

    Both Romney's and Obama's "claims" (distorted, I hope) are incorrect. You've no doubt heard the phrase: It takes a village to raise a child.

    Well, if "corporations are people", then it took a village to raise a corporation. Taking full credit is wrong. Vicariously claiming the child's success makes the "parent" look selfish in the eyes of the rest of the village. The patriarch (who feels diminished) and the mother ... the one doing the myriad small things (who feels ignored) and Let's not forget the neighbors (customers) in this picture too. They feel exploited when viewed as a commodity.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    Everyone who is complaining about Obama's remark (including Romney) should go and read the whole thing. It is obvious that Obama's full remarks refer to the people who build businesses not building the infrastructure that made that business possible. People who build interstate trucking companies can only do it because the government has built the roads, etc. Romney is too smart to not know what Obama actually said, in the full quote. He is intentionally distorting what Obama said (by omission of the full quote) in order to score cheap points.

    The whole point of this is to take the pressure off of the many calls for Romney to release his tax returns. I am convinced that he has something to hide there. Why else would he be so reluctant to do what every other presidential candidate (including his father) has done? Something smells very fishy here.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    July 18, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    If you've read the book "Outliers" by Malcomb Gladwell, it's easy to dismiss Romney's comment about Steve Jobs or Bill Gates building their companies. Sure, they are visionaries but they were in the right place at the right time and we able to surround themselves with the right people who BTW were the ones that did the actual building and creating. The same goes with Ford or any other number of individuals who get credit for building a company. They just happened to be lucky as well as in the right place at the right time with the right stuff and the right employees who ultimately built the company.

    Contrast that with Romney who bought companies, got rid of employees, then resold the downsized companies. He didn't build anything but got rid of those that did because their previous owners didn't want to disrupt the lives of those who actually did the work.

    As for Obama and the comment about his drug use. At least he told us what he did when he was young and we are only using his own words. Romney won't tell us anything about his taxes or finances.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    Eighty percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor "creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits."

    • Fifty-seven percent of Republicans (and 67 percent of independents) support "providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance."

    • Fifty-four percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor "requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees."

    • Fifty-two percent of Republicans (and 69 percent of independents) favor "allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26."

    • Seventy-eight percent of Republicans (and 82 percent of independents) support "banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions"; 86 percent of Republicans (and 87 percent of independents) favor "banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill."
    (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette July 2012)

    In other words, Republicans favor Obamacare.

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    Considering that the only thing BO will be remembered for is being the guy who gave America the largest national debt in the known world’s history, what else does he have to run on?
    He knows full well that his opponent is a wealthy businessman and he is going to exploit that any which way he can. There are always going to be successful entrepreneurial people who have amassed a considerable wealth and fame and/or notoriety, and there are always going to be those who want to be a crab bucket and tear the achievers down in a futile effort to feel better—never mind that many of them gobble up their products inventions and services as much as the next guy. If all BO has to campaign with is stirring up class envy and innuendo, that doesn’t say much. And to insinuate that wealthy is always evil is profoundly misinformed. Many of these” evil” entrepreneurs spearhead charitable organizations, and what they get done runs circles around government programs. What’s so bad about that? But unfortunately, this becomes obfuscated when the class envy sentiments get stirred up.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    Sununu, keep telling the truth about obama, and quit apologizing for it. The truth hurts only the guilty. Obama's a big boy and needs to learn to answer to the people for his behavior as president, w/o hiding behind a media that doesn't hold him accountable.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2012 7:13 p.m.

    Jim in Mesa, you're right about the need to focus on policy and principle. Then, in most true, liberty loving American's minds, obama would fall flat on his face. Pray enough people are educated enough about the principles of liberty to realize the dismantling of our Constitution occurring under obama's adminisration.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    July 18, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    You are struggling Truthseeker, you are struggling!

    ----

    It's amazing to see Americans denigrate the success of someone while applauding someone who has done absolutely NOTHING in his life. Obama is all theory and no practical experience. No wonder his "jobs group" hasn't met in 6 months. He has no idea how to create the environment for business to succeed since he has never, ever done it in his life.

    Get out of the way Obama and let Americans do what they do best --- invent, create, solve problems and fulfill the needs of others!

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 18, 2012 7:19 p.m.

    If Romney's taxes were an issue, the IRS would have been all over it already.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    A Reuters-Ipsos poll taken June 19-23 found that:

    Eighty percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor "creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits."

    Fifty-seven percent of Republicans (and 67 percent of independents) support "providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance."

    Fifty-four percent of Republicans (and 75 percent of independents) favor "requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees."

    Fifty-two percent of Republicans (and 69 percent of independents) favor "allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26."

    Seventy-eight percent of Republicans (and 82 percent of independents) support "banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions";

    86 percent of Republicans (and 87 percent of independents) favor "banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill."
    (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 2012)

    In other words, Republicans favor Obamacare.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 8:00 p.m.

    In 2002:
    Romney had to have established permanent residency in Massachusetts for the seven years prior to running for office, but Romney had spent the previous three years in Utah, running the 2002 Winter Olympic Games. According to a 2002, Boston Globe article, Romney filed tax returns listing Utah as his primary residence, but maintained "official residence" in Belmont, Mass.

    In May, questions about his residency status started to pick up, and gained steam when it was revealed that he paid property taxes in Utah from 1999-2001, and he received a huge discount as a result.

    By listing Utah as his primary residence, he saved a total of $54,000 in taxes on the home he owned in Utah, according to a Boston Globe investigation in 2002. That's because in Utah, non-residents pay taxes on 100 percent of the assessed value of their homes, while residents only pay taxes on 55 percent. (often property taxes are a matter of public record).

    It doesn't appear as if Romney's personal tax records have ever been made public, except for 2010.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    July 18, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    I'm so amazed at all the people who have no idea how companies like Bain work. It's rather simple: They look for companies that are struggling. They determine whether an influx of capital and sound business consulting could help them succeed. They take action. Sometimes the action needed is to downsize a company. For explanation's sake, they may reduce FTE's from 1000 to 300. The company succeeds, returns to profitability. Bain profits from their work and the company grows and thrives. Had Bain not intervened, the company would have failed and all 100 people would have lost their jobs. So, while the numbers seem to say that Bain fired 700 people, they actually saved 300+ jobs. It doesn't always work that way, but most of the time, under Romney's leadership, it did work out for the best. Is that so hard to see? Where's the greed? Where's the felony? Where's the evil? And how many of you forego opportunities to legally protect your capital from taxes? Or, do you pay more than the law requires so you can feel patriotic and pious?

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    July 18, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    re;old cougar
    Private equity firms look for under-performing companies, not companies to rescue. Their primary focus is making money for their investors.

    If a private-equity firm wants to make money, it has to improve the value of the companies it buys. Sometimes the improvement may be more cosmetic than real, but historically private-equity firms have in principle had a powerful incentive to make companies perform better. In the past decade, though, that calculus changed. Having already piled companies high with debt in order to buy them, many private-equity funds had their companies borrow even more, and then used that money to pay themselves huge “special dividends.” This allowed them to recoup their initial investment while keeping the same ownership stake. Before 2000, big special dividends were not that common. But between 2003 and 2007 private-equity funds took more than seventy billion dollars out of their companies. These dividends created no economic value—they just redistributed money from the company to the private-equity investors.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    July 18, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    I think it is also important to remember that those roads, those bridges are built from money that is extracted from successful businesses via taxation. Sometimes I wonder if our leaders don't have the idea that 'government' money magically appears in the basement of the national mints. All they have to do is flip a switch and presto - money! That would explain why there is so much debt.

    Every time a business is built, the government runs in with appraisers to determine the impact on the community so they can know what to extract from that business by way of fees, permits and then regular taxes to install and/or up grade the infrastructure. Those individuals who built a successful business may have had good education and lots of pats on the back, but they took the risks, they burned the midnight oil and they built the business. It would seem that the unsuccessful businesses, i.e. Solyndra got created their business with the help of government and the others that the President is talking about.

  • lqqk pocatello, ID
    July 18, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    The tax payers pay for roads and bridges. The businesses and small business provide employment and therefore a tax base to pay for roads and bridges. Anytime you think business don't pay their fair share, you don't have a clue. You probably are an employee who's employer payes matching taxes. Therefore being in business and paying matching taxes, I would say that employers pay more than their fair share of taxes. If we all worked for the government, who would pay for the roads and bridges? You? Nope, The government, but it would be held out of your check. Mitt has released all that was legally required of tax returns. The rest is none of our business.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    DN says "Mitt Romney drops gloves, goes on offense" as if he hasn't been for two years.

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Absolutely Mitt is catering to the rich company fat cats by giving them tax breaks so they can hire a bunch of unemployed workers to make themselves richer. Can you believe the gall of it all. Get with the program, companies need workers to produce. The successful companies get richer, hire more workers and expand their operations. It's the American way.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    @lqqk

    Actually, it's a little known fact, but when the original colonists came to America, there was actually several government agencies set up to make cobblestone streets and provide subsidies for 'green' candle makers. How do you think America was built? They didn't do that alone!

    Does ANYBODY really, truly still think Barack Obama has any clue about how an economy works? He hasn't met with his 'jobs council' in SIX months!! The Democrats have completely given up on the economy. They have NOTHING to offer. He's doing exactly what he campaigned against 4 years ago. What a hypocrite.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    July 18, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Since those who don't work hard enough to make a successful income have the same advantage of the infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) our taxes have built, as those who work hard and smart enough to be successful, why should the successful be penalized with higher taxes to make up for those who just loaf or just want to get by?

    Do we really want to say: "Work hard enough to be successful and we'll penalize you to pay the way for those who don't want to work hard, are lazy, or don't want to work at all?"

  • Freedom Huntsville, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    @atl134
    Dems had two full years to fix the economy. They owned this country. How did that work for you? It didn't work for anyone. Done. So, so, very done. You had your chance. You blew it. Not only did he dig a bigger hole, he force fed socialized medicine down at gagging citizenry. Nope, you're done. You blew it. End of story.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Are businesses for or against the government? Most sucessful businesses resent the government intrusion of taxes, yet they hire government educated employees, who drive on gov't roads, protected by government police etc. etc.

    One of the best loved presidents of recent years was Ron Reagan yet he had zero business experience, he did know how to wow an audience though.

    Mitts experience as governor was abysmal in that he did not even attempt a 2nd term, instituted new user fess throughout the state and left it in no better shape than when he went in.

    Pres Obama has learned that it does not matter what you want, the job of president is more about getting two sides to agree so there can be progress. Mitt has spent last 4 years tearing down the opposition so he has soured the playground and will not make any moe headway than Obama.

    Currently USA is hurting financially, with Mitts economic program the country will go another 1.2 trillion in the hole (estimate by his own advisors). How is that helping us financially?

    Taking of the gloves, tax records, birth certificate, jobs. All fluff, fix the the economy.

    Both should be embarassed.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    Mitt Romney has done the right thing in counterattacking Obama.He should not release anymore tax returns because it will be all that Obama's campaign will dwell on and distort.Honestly, I'm very surprized that so many liberals who support Obama post on this site. Utah has a contingent of very active liberals.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent. ~ John Donne

    Pres. Obama 1, Mitt Romney 0

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    July 19, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Those of us who have been the victims of Mr. Romney's policies (& policies from those aligned with his ideology) have found them to be quite OFFENSIVE for quite some time now.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    I got to thinking last night ---

    Mitt Romney has been running for POTUS for over 6 years now.
    You’d think he would’ve been smart enough before even THEN to know this whole tax disclosure things was going to come up…
    I mean, his Father George Romney was the 1st one to start this tradition when he ran for office.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires. - Straight from the press office as recorded on whitehouse.gov. He does a pretty good job of trying to take his foot out of his mouth but fails to mention that the taxes from Americans helped the government fund those very things he's talkin' about. Basically a circular foot in mouth debacle.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    I was reading the other day -
    The Top 10 Best Hospitals in America.

    2 out of the top 10 = Massachusetts.
    And all because of RomneyCare.
    Mitt Romney's greatest accomplishment.

    And the sad irony is,
    he's now basing his entire U.S. Presidential campaign on repealing it for ALL Americans.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    @IMAN

    So are you saying Obama's policies have helped to alleviate your pain? It's never been this bad since WW II.

    @LDS Liberal

    Mitt Romney was a Stake President. You, of all people, know the type of men they call to be Stake Presidents. It's okay to say you have an honest disagreement with Mitt Romney's policies. It is NOT okay to insinuate, as this administration has done, that Mitt Romney has done something dishonest, unethical, or illegal.

    This administration and its supporters are sounding more like Tommy Flanagan every day. Unemployment has been OVER 8% for FORTY MONTHS! We already know Romney is an honest man. Don't talk to me about what he supposedly hid when Tom Dashel and Tim Geitner actually DID hide their taxes! It's nonsense like this that is going to help Romney win in a landslide in November.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    So, since 90% of all small business fail within 5 years, can those that fail blame their education system and infrasture for letting them down?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    Just wanted to let you know that those Massachusettes hospitals have been amazing hospitals for years....long before Romney was governor of that state. There are plenty of other things you can credit Romney for, but you really can't credit Romney for making those two hospitals great.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Obama will not only go down as the most inept president in history, he will also be shown as the most corrupt. And that is saying something. After his remarks about business Monday, how can any thinking person vote for him? I would compare anyone voting for Obama as a Lemming, willing to follow him off of a cliff. I always thought Carter was the most inept, but Obama makes Carter look like a rocket scientist.

    One member of his administration, Holder is going to be lucky not going to jail (Obama will for sure pardon him).

  • RoseLee HERMITAGE, MO
    July 21, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    So why all the "blathering" about released Tax returns, what would it prove if he was found cheating on tax returns. How many americans are willing to release their tax returns. The IRS is nothing but a collection agency for the Federal Reserve. Romney has something to offer our country--leadership. He is wealthy--good for him. He won't be using the Presidency to advance his personal agenda. Americans under Obama are resentful of successful people--especially rich ones. He is an American and not Muslim. Obama's birth certificate, long form, was proven to be a forgery! Why don't we go after what's really important enforce the constitution and impeach Obama.