If Chris Hill cancels the annual football rivalry game then Tom Holmoe should
respond by cancelling every other sport where BYU plays Utah - basketball,
baseball, womens gymnastics - everything! BYU and Utah had a partnership that
dates back almost a century and if Utah is going to place so little value on
that relationship then both schools should just go their separate ways.
Cowards of the CountyIn football, Sagarin #39 Utah is replacing #34 BYU(10-3) with #209 Northern Colorado(0-11)In basketball, RPI #274 Utah is replacing #70 Weber State(23-5)
and #143 Utah State(17-14) with #288 Texas State(13-17) and #314
Sacramento State(10-18)Could it be any more blatantly obvious? The Utes aren't trying to improve their SOS or their RPI, the Utes
are simply too lily-livered to face their in-state rivals on the playing
field/court anymore!Their drum-and-chicken-feather logo is becoming
more and more appropriate. Despite all of the arrogant hot-air blowing from the
hill the last couple of years, the truth is, the Utes are nothing but a bunch of
chickens.Deny, deflect, or spin away kids, but that's the
"In football, Sagarin #39 Utah is replacing #34 BYU(10-3) with #209 Northern
Colorado (0-11)"Not much "Truth", or logic, coming from
the "Machine", as usual. The errors are so obvious, it's almost
painful! Utah is playing BYU and N. Colo in the SAME YEAR, so no
"replacing" there. If anything, BYU (Sagarin #34) is being replaced in
the future by Michigan (#11). But while still on your high-horse TM, please
entertain us by giving us your fanciful explanation as to why last season brave
BYU came to schedule then-#211 Idaho State (1-10). I'm sure it had nothing
to do with the suspicion they'd get curb-stomped at home by the Utes so
they needed to serve up November patsies to appease the masses. It's funny you're quoting Sagarin as rating BYU #34 last year, the
lowest D-1 school w/ double-digit wins. Kinda' puts the lie to that phony
"Top 25" argument, doesn't it?
JohnInSLCThe logic is there, we simply don't have the
designated cupcakes that Utah will be playing instead of BYU, yet.GUARANTEED, the first season that the Utes don't schedule
BYU, the Utes will schedule a couple of cupcakes that aren't even ranked in
the Top 120. Spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night, but the Utes
won't be scheduling those cupcakes to "improve" Utah's SOS.The Utes are simply running away from their instate rivals because
they're afraid of losing to them.Painful as it may be for Utah
fans to swallow, that's the truth.
JohnInSLC"please entertain us by giving us your fanciful
explanation as to why last season brave BYU came to schedule then-#211 Idaho
State (1-10)"No fanciful explanation needed.BYU only
had a couple of months to put together a 12-game 2011 schedule after going
independent in August 2010. The WAC was gracious enough to help with BYU's
scheduling crunch and BYU scheduled a fairly local team to fill the final
slot.BYU's scheduling of Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, TCU
(in 2011), and Boise State for future years is proof positive that BYU is shying
away from anybody, especially the arrogant kids on the hill.That's a far cry from what Utah's doing, which is filling 3 slots
several years in advance.BYU is ready to schedule the Utes
home-to-home for as long as the Utes want to keep the rivalry alive. But
don't give us any of your 2-for-1 nonsense, Utah simply isn't a big
enough name to warrant that kind of "respect".
JohnInSLC"It's funny you're quoting Sagarin as rating
BYU #34 last year"What's "funny" about making an
apples-to-apples comparison of ratings'BYU #25 Coaches/ #26 AP
/ #34 SagarinUtah unranked / unranked / #39 SagarinPick your
poll, the all agree that despite Utah's big September win, EVERYBODY
thought that overall, BYU was still the better team in 2011. You do
prove your ignorance or your gift for hyperbole, however, in accusing BYU of
intentionally scheduling a bunch of patsies to appease the masses. Try using a
little truth in your arguments. Everyone knows that's not even remotely
close to accurate.
JohnInSLC said:BYU(10-3), #34 in Sagarin, was "the lowest D-1
school w/ double-digit wins".Actually, you're not even
close:#47 Northern Illinois(11-3), #67 Arkansas State(10-3), and #68
Ohio(10-4), all D-1 schools, were ranked below BYU.But, I digress.
Which is more phony, being the lowest ranked double-digit win team,
or being the highest ranked team that LOST to a double-digit LOSS team?Teams that lose to 10-loss teams, at home, with a conference division title on
the line, have no business even being in the Top 40, let alone pretending that
they're better than a Top 25 team.Kinda' puts the lie to
that phony "we're one of the big boys" now argument, doesn't
Requisition a new mascot for the Utes - the red-tailed chicken.
Havent you coug fans had enough "beat downs" from the U yet? If I were
a why fan, id be glad for a break.Its funny, coach Donko a few years
ago said he wouldnt mind if the rivalry took a break. Now he sheds crocodile
tears during zoo nations self promoting "media day"The truth
is b whyne u fans are in a miserable position. 2 for 1's from any
respectable college football program, all in september. A few scattered october
meetings with ND will be cancelled when ND joins a conference, which will
ConferenceofChampions bottom-dwellersyawnThe Utes are
simply proving what cowards they are. Associating with an elite program like
USC, doesn't make you an elite program, any more than being an extra in a
movie makes you a star.Despite your arrogance, the truth is Utah
isn't a program that any D-1 program would even consider scheduling a 2 for
1 with. You're just jealous that BYU doesn't have to rely on the
coattails of other programs to attract the attention of the national media.BYU's deal with Notre Dame is for 6 games over the next 8 years,
hardly what anybody except a jealous Utah fan would call "scattered".Just curious. Why do Utah fans resort to childish name calling when it
finally dawns on them that they have no cogent arguments to offer in rebuttal?
Truth Machine,Utah replaces BYU with Michigan. That's Michigan.Should Utah play BYU? Yes. Do they need BYU? No.Chris Hill
is sticking it to the by. Because he can. We don't need you.Thanks.
"#47 Northern Illinois(11-3), #67 Arkansas State(10-3), and #68 Ohio(10-4),
all D-1 schools, were ranked below BYU."Got me there, but you
just proved the truth of the old adage: Birds of a feather . . .And
if I'm wrong, then there's sure a lot of whining coming from
Cougarville. It's a bit pathetic for fans of the "proud"
"storied" "national brand" "indepentdent" program (with
their very own HD truck and a TV channel nobody watches) to be complaining that
the mean old Utes from that little school on the Hill--who have beat them like a
rented mule in the last decade--now have bigger fish to fry. Face it, the cougs
are so '80's.
"#47 Northern Illinois(11-3), #67 Arkansas State(10-3), and #68 Ohio(10-4),
all D-1 schools, were ranked below BYU"My bad, but they all are
kind of bottom-tier programs. Thanks for proving the adage: 'Birds of a
feather . . .'And if you think I'm wrong about the Y, and
it really is a "proud" "independent" "national brand"
"storied" program, then it's a bit pathetic that its desperate fans
are whining about the mean old Utes. Aren't you glad that the little school
up on the Hill--that has beaten the cougs like a rented mule this past
decade--is moving on to find bigger fish to fry?
(chickens clucking)And the chest thumping continues from the Ute
fans that think a 4-5 conference showing is far superior than anything BYU can
muster.From a program that claims to be part of the 'Conference
of Champions (chickens)' known for its Olympic accomplishments I find it
quite amusing that Utah has had one Olympic athlete while BYU has had 7 in the
current Olympic trials from what I've read recently.And lest we
forget, the lowly Deseret Duel award that BYU has won 4 out of 5 times
indicating an overall superiority over the Utes in a composite sports
competition.I would like to see the rivalry continue but if it goes
away it is because of arrogance, selfishness and a lack of respect of tradition.
College sports is tradition but if this rivalry goes away it
won't be life ending. BYU will continue to move into new opportunities and
establish new rivalries. And the Utes... They might have some
moments in football and gymnastics but not nearly as many to fit their over
inflated view of themselves.
The Holy War is a quaint local rivalry, but a dim blip on the national radar.
Sometimes you have to leave the past behind to reach your goals. Lebron had to
leave Cleveland. The Utes need to leave the Cougs.
@ SoonerUte,I love that comparison. It's funny that byu claims
that it doesn't need a conference and that independence is the best way to
go and they don't need to associate themselves with anybody, yet when the
Utes want to drop them they whine like a little girl.
There is no reason this should even be a discussion. This rivalry is one of the
best in college football. It's embarassing and sheds no good light on the
u's athletics. Maybe USC should stop playing Notre Dame too.
I'm so glad Utah is discarding BYu. Hey, the potential injuries that may
occur to the Utes are NOT worth it. That Uale hit on Devonte Christopher last
year could have killed him, a blatant cheap shot, sadly. If that hit happened in
the NFL.......minimum 3 game suspension and a $50k fine at least. There is no
upside for Utah playing BYU anymore. The U is in the big time now and BYu is
where they deserve to be..........in serious trouble. Gooooooooo Utes!
I adore the TruthMachine. He affords us all some great laughs. BYu is in such
trouble, there isn't an adjective to describe it. KWhit played ball for
BYu, and even he knows what the score is. There is a ton of "truth" in
that claim! BYu is last century's aberration, not a decent program in the
21st century. Hey, it happens........Army has 3 NCs and 3 Heismans.........who
will pick them up in the 4 major conferences........no one! Enjoy, if you can
afford a ticket to a U football game which are ALL sold out.
BYu is "Rudy" university in the 21st century. Other than Kyle Van Noy,
there isn't one kid from BYu that would start for Utah. And, that Nelson QB
debacle is the most ridiculous QB to ever play for BYu.
Utah-Hawaii AlumSadly for U, being IN the big time, and actually
BEING big time are two entirely different things.NOBODY is impressed
with a bottom-feeder living off reflected light.
@Truth MachineGUARANTEED, the first season that the Utes don't
schedule BYU, the Utes will schedule a couple of cupcakes that aren't even
ranked in the Top 120.----------The non-rivalry first
season will be next year.FYI...Utah 2013 Schedule:Home games: Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Utah
StateRoad games: Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, USCThat means we
have 2 games open. Yes, we might schedule cupcakes like...A) Chattanooga Mocs just like AlabamaB) Furman Paladins or Georgia
Southern Eagles just like LSUThe difference Alabama plays ZERO and
LSU ONE possible top 10 team on the road while Utah plays THREE.I
agree with Kyle, "Our program is bigger than the rivalry."
Truth Machine:"The logic is there, we simply don't have the
designated cupcakes that Utah will be playing instead of BYU..."The TRUTH here is that Bronco has scheduled more 1-AA/FCS opponents than
Whittingham. Conversely Whittingham has played more BCS teams than Bronco [and
with a higher winning percentage]. And of course, it's the Indy-WACey team
that has been credited with having the easier schedule than the Pac-12 Utes --
both last season AND this upcoming season. So don't come here talking
about cupcakes, okay? Your SOS is sooooo weak!Have fun down there
in the WAC's final season of -- for lack of a better word --
Truth Machine:"The Utes are simply running away from their
instate rivals because they're afraid of losing to them...Painful as it may
be for Utah fans to swallow, that's the truth."It seems
pretty clear to me, that by refusing to accept a 2-for-1 at RES, it is Holmoe
and Mendenhall who are running away from the rivalry. Painful as it may be for
Indy-WACey fans, but the truth is, we've beaten you 7 of the last 10 times.
Your .300 record against us really isn't that intimidating. At least not
for US anyway. I can understand why you guys would flee the rivalry. Time for you guys to change your school colors again...from Aggie Blue and
White, to Green with envy, with an nice Yellow streak piping from the tops of
your helmets, running all the way down the backs of your jerseys.
phoenix:"...the truth is Utah isn't a program that any D-1
program would even consider scheduling a 2 for 1 with."Well,
maybe not ANY D-1 program. Michigan sure didn't. They required a
Home-&-Home with Utah. However, I'm not convinced the Indy-WACers are
at the same level as the 2012 Sugar Bowl champions, so I don't see why we
should be affording them the same consideration.Nope...Utah is going
to need a 2-for-1 with Bronco's boys, or they're just gonna have to go
and schedule Weber State again instead.
3grandslams:"Maybe USC should stop playing Notre Dame
too."Well, if Notre Dame goes and joins the WAC your cougies
did....maybe they SHOULD!
@ "Truth Machine" and sammyHahaha! There is just NOTHING
more adorable than BYU fans calling another football team "chicken"
because of their strength of schedule. Really, you guys are the best.
Ok, you all have made some valid points along with some ridiculous points.In the end, "Our program is bigger than the rivalry" will drive Utah
tostop this so-called rivalry with mid-major BYU.