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  • kcmannn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    By all means, vote for Romney. Never mind the fact that he is the original architect of Obamneycare.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Let the sour grapes be mashed!

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    June 28, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Governor Herbert is also under the belief that Healthcare is a Privledge and not a Right! The Uninsured Emergency Room visits cost us more than requiring all American's to pay for healthcare individually. We are already picking up the tab without Uninsured chipping in for anything. At least this way, people will be paying into the system that are not contributing now!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 28, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    I am not thrilled with Obamacare, but history has shown us that the only time the GOP mentions the need to fix healthcare is when the dems propose something.

    They had many years of complete control and the only thing they did was to push medicare part D.

    We have a problem with health care costs. They are skyrocketing.

    What is the GOP's specific plan?

    Waiting, waiting, waiting

  • technos Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    As somebody who can't afford a $14,000 bill when I go to the emergency room for four hours because I have been denied health insurance due to preexisting conditions, I'd like to know exactly what Romney means by "replace." If Republicans wanted something different in the health care bill, why didn't they put something forth when the health bill was written?? Or was having Obama fail more important at that time, so they could pander to their health insurance special interests?

    I'm really not getting it. The GOP wants to repeal the health care law, so we can keep the status quo of countless uninsured Americans? If they don't like the health care bill when it was written, why didn't they put forth other ideas? Or is the GOP doubling down on the politics of stupid and special interests?

    I think I'll take the latter.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    This is precisely why I'm an embarrassed Utahn. I don't think Mr. Herbert has that "patriotic gene"! Oh well, it's a great day anyway!

  • Anti-Plutocrat South Jordan, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    Wow, my esteem of our governor just when down about 6 notches. With his remark on communism he confirmed to me that he has been hanging out with the tea party fools for too long.

    In our society we see Social Security, minimum wage, medicare and medicaid, public schools, public roads, regulated utilities such as natural gas and electricity to every home even in rural locations .. as all fine and American. In fact these things are part of what make America great! But oh mention medical coverage and insurance for all and now we are in the realm of 'communism?!'

    Herbert, Utah is not a tea party state, even though they are all you are hearing and mingling with. We want compromise and balance between support for good regulated capitalism and valued and important socialistic programs... just like we have lived with for 200 years. If other countries can figure this universal health care the USA can as well! We MAY have to ask our MDs to somehow live on $400,000 per year as opposed to $950,000 per year salaries however!

  • Flash SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    Who is it that Gov. Herbert thinks should not have healthcare? I hope it's not me or one of my friends or family.

  • Flash SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Oh, you get it technos. You hit it right on the head when you asked if it was more important for Obama to fail than to provide healthcare for our citizens. Politics have never been pretty, but they are now downright ugly. We need to dump Herbert and his ilk.

  • COGITOERGONIHILSVM Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Yeah, and Utahns have total control over the election. Brilliant.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    The rationale behind the Supreme Courts justification makes me think of unlearned men who don't have a clue as to what is going on.

    Yes, we all need health care, but when I am told that I must have health care and if I do not have it I will be penalized and that penalty money will buy that health care. Personally, I think anyone who can afford it is nuts for not having it, but the fact that the Democrats have rammed this down our throats is what is appalling. They have literally become big brother and will determine what is good for us. Soon they will decide which doctor I can go to, they will decide what size house I should have and they will decide what type of car I can buy.

    The founders of this country are turning over in their graves right now. They are crying because our elected representatives have strayed from the constitution and what is was intended to do.

    It is time we have a constitutional amendment limiting the Supreme Court to 20 years and they are then retired. This lunacy must stop.

  • COGITOERGONIHILSVM Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    Cougar Blue:

    You seem to understand more about what the constitution prohibits than about what it permits.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Do people really think, considering the recent Supreme Court ruling, that removing Barack Obama will result in the elimination of his signiature issue? Even if conservative Republicans hold both the House and Senate, and if Romney is president, Republicans will only get legislation passed if they have a super-majority (60 votes) in the Senate! How do you think conservatives have been so successful in making Obama's first term in office so difficult?

    Granted, the Affordable Care Act legislation upheld by the Supreme Court requires some major changes, however, Republicans have absolutely no intention of drafting any comparable reform package. Since most conservatives in places of power have good healthcare already, there is no incentive on their part to change things. However, as the Republican Party becomes more irrelevant in the future, their abundant money will not be sufficient to buy the game.

    People will come to see the need for universal healthcare in this country as both a vital and important benefit to the nation as a whole. Employers will appreciate a healthy workforce and productivity (including the economy) should grow proportionately because healthcare is no longer the spectre that stands over the regular American's life.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    What an odd comment Governor Herbert injected about communism. The constitutional Affordable Care Act is not communism (nor is it socialism). When our elected leaders are ignorant on the basic forms of government, it tells me that we need to pour more money into education. Perhaps then we can salvage the next generation of Utah leaders.

  • georgeman Kearns, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    I too agree that we ALL need healthcare, but when a government TAXES the people for not taking an action, then we are in trouble. Never before in history has the government been able to levy a tax against the citizens for not doing something they are told to do by the government.

    Taxes are levied for products and services purchased, not for products and/or services NOT purchased.

    So now our government has shown that it has the ability to tax us if we don't do what they say. Does this mean that they can tax us if we don't buy American cars?

    This is a whole new era in government control.

    Yes everyone needs healthcare, but not at the cost of government control over the rights of freedom.

  • Milt South Jordan, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Hey CougarBLue in Heber ... think this through ... a young man who has NO insurance .. who doesn't want something 'rammed down his throat' goes up the canyon to rock climb ... he falls and is badly injured ... he is taken to emergency care and treated, he spends 6 months in critical care, he is a parapalegic and will never walk again .... now, guess who pays for that now?! YOU DO ! ... and I DO! through medicaid which he surely will be one soon since in can't work, etc... and since he had no insurance. SO the point is CougarBlue .... We DO end up paying for the 'nuts' that you mention ... why not make it a FAIR situation where the responsible ones are not just paying for everything through higher taxes and higher premiums? Make the foolish young rock climber pay something into the system to help cover his risk.

    And the founding fathers boo-hooo is just silliness. Live in this century.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Herbert is a buffon and people of this state eat his babble up. He's one of the politicans that told us it would surely be struck down by the courts. Wrong!! These same politicans also tell us that the only way to over turn it is throught this Fall's election. The only way that happens is if they control all three braches of goverment with enough knuckleheads to stop any filibusters. That is unlikely. The law stands now and it will stand next year as well. Why can't they go back to their more concrete ideals like Intelligent Design or a Balanced Budget Amendment?

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    BYUalum
    South Jordan, UT
    If you didn't have fire in the belly for Mitt Romney and to also get a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate in November, this is the chance you have as individuals to save this country.

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    Please, be rational. All I hear is repub blowing off steam like the Gov. Let me spell it out for you...We will not be able to repeal Obamacare in the next two years.

    Even if Mitt is elected, even if the house and senate are run by republicans - the senate repub will not be 60 and the demos will filibuster any bill that takes any part of Obamacare away.

    Be serious and speak to us as intelligent beings, Gov. We really do understand how our government works (or doesn't work.)

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Never before in history has the government been able to levy a tax against the citizens for not doing something they are told to do by the government.

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    Think of it like a tax (fee) for not wearing your seatbelt. Yes, we have to pay if we do not do what they say, don't we?

  • scojos Draper, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    I have never read so many comments in the Desert News that supported my way of thinking. Obamacare is the law of the land OBEY IT. Romney won't do a thing but inflame the far right. The big boys in the insurance companies will shut Romney up and tell him how they are going to make money off of Obamacare. But Romney will do what he is good at, complaining about Obama and never offering a viable solution. And flip flopping his jaws.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    How lazy, all states can opt out of Obamacare, all they have to do is design their own plan that covers at least as many people and is no more expensive than Obamacare. If Obamacare is so awful it shouldn't be hard to do better so why not have a go at it Governor? You do want healthcare reform of some kind right? You don't want us to just stick with the old unsustainable status quo... right?

    So far only Vermont has gone this route, they passed single payer.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 28, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Our Realtor-in-Chief hasn't got a clue. The ACA automatically makes life easier for everyone. It's about time the freeriders paid their fair share.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    We needed to repeal the governor who took a $80,000 "contribution" in return for a multi-billion dollar contract to redo I-15. Add the $13 million to satisfy the contractor who won the first, honest bid. But many in this state find it easier to vote for a crook than for someone from the opposite party. My fellow native Chicagoans suffer from the same disease.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    June 28, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    But when the government goes bankrupt we will be singing a different tune. How many Trillions of dollars is the national debt now?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 28, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Benefits for Obama healthcare:

    * increased motivation for students entering medical school.

    * more people paying their own medical coverage will save me money.

    * provide more employment

    * ensures lower taxes

    * like Canada and Europe,we'll have better medical care

    * better care for the elderly

    * people who has received free medical care, will now pay.

    Thank You Obama. For caring of people, over your own political ambitions.

  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    June 28, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    @BYUalum South Jordan, UT

    It's interesting how diametrically opposed we both are in how we see this issue? How do you reconcile this considering how you think? You obviously would disagree with me (probably on most thing, I surmise), but how would you propose to go forward knowing that? Do you try to compromise, or do you just want to stand your ground? As it stands now, there is obviously no middle ground. Do you like it that way?

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    June 28, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Texas Republicans want to eliminate any cirriculum to develop critical thinking skills in students. They want to keep young children from questioning their parents' viewsd and values (i.e. they don't want these young people growing up to think for themselves and find extreme conservative thinking to be both irrational and illogical). Of course it's best to fault progressive thinking since it runs counter to the "accepted" ideas of a conservative community, but they don't want anyone saying that they may be wrong.

    According the them, if you grow up in a community where the accepted wisdom is that the earth is flat, all living people are descended from a piece of anatomy (Adam's rib) from which a woman was created, that certain Americans are not truly Americans, and a free and unencumbered market will vindicate Capitalism and everyone can be happy and rich, then it's important to keep ideas to the contrary out of the discussion.

    Certainly, all recorded knowledge needs to be cleansed of radical ideas and "facts" need to be changed to support the given order. Only when all our children think alike and act alike, will these conservative elements feel safe.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Yes Obama has to go.. no question. The man is a cancer to democracy and freedom. However - today the Supreme Court ruled a victory for Obama - like it or not. It seems to me that America is really starting to distant itself from the constitution and adopting the European model of socialism and big government. If you want to blame someone for today's ruling blame George W Bush - he was the one that elected a moderate Judge Roberts to the high court. If Romney does win and he does get the chance to appoint supreme court justices he simply must appoint conservatives - not moderates. Moderates morf into liberals as we saw today. Roberts "created" a way to pass this law by seeing it as a tax - something OBama said it wasn't. Roberts obviously wanted to make his mark and legislate from the bench and so he did. In any event - America hangs in the balance. 4 more years of OBama will turn America into Greece and then everyone - liberals and conservatives and everyone in between - will feel the pain of crushing taxes and 15-20% unemployment.

  • Doogie South Jordan, Utah
    June 28, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Some posts have asked where the Republicans were when the bill was passed, well there were ideas put forth but the Demos had no intention of listening, they had control and they were going to take advantage of it. It is a progressive law and what are progressives but bigger government supporters. Frankly I am sick and tired of the government mandating what I can and can't do. There are better alternatives to Obamacare like tort reform and allowing insurance across state lines etc but no one is interested in those because it takes away from the loot the attorney's get from trying cases for malpractice. Bottom line this is not an issue that is because the Democrats thought of it first, it is an issue of freedom of choice. If we are mandated to have health insurance then we have no choice and for the baffoons that don't have it now, do you think they will have it the future or just pay the penalty and have the government (you and me) take care of them anyways. You that support Obamacare are seriously misguided in your belief that this will solve anything.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Few people realize it, but we really have two choices here--continue "forward" over the cliff and become the next Greece, or go "backward" about 40 years when everyone took personal responsibility for their own care, held providers accountable for the costs and essentially everyone could afford good health care.

    I comes down to principles--it always has and always will. As Neal A. Maxwell said, "The living of ONE principle of the gospel is better that a THOUSAND governmental programs, which programs are, so often, like straightening deck chairs on the Titanic."

  • reader1234 South Jordan, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    Repeal Matheson as well. He voted for Obamacare in all the subcommittees he was on. He only voted against it when it came to the house floor. I think his total voting record for Obamacare was 29 for and 1 against.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Lane Meyer -- that "tax" is exactly what happens to you, if you decline Medicare and want it later (when you get sick). Why should you get a free ride on my considerable taxpayer dime, when you wouldn't take responsibility for yourself?

    Mad Hatter -- a Senate "super-majority" is 61, not 60. It takes 61 votes to block the opposite party's fillibuster.

  • Bruce T. Forbes Kearns, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Is it time to impeach the Supreme Court?

  • Conner Johnson
    June 28, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    Want to replace the current Utah Governer? Repeal and Replace Gary Herbert!

  • bluecollar Kearns, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    if you choose to buy a house and pay interest on your mortgage, you pay lower taxes than a person of equal income who chooses not to buy a home. if you have children you pay lower taxes than an income equal who chooses not to have children. if you save for retirement you get tax breaks. if you buy energy-star compliant appliances, or own a farm, or any of a number of other desirable activities you can get a tax break. here's the new deal: IF YOU BUY HEALTH INSURANCE YOU WILL PAY LOWER TAXES THAN A PERSON OF EQUAL INCOME WHO CHOOSES NOT TO. The cost of health care and health insurance is too high. it is economically crushing middle-income families. it's about time someone did something. if the new law is imperfect, fix it. but for heaven's sake please acknowledge that something needed to be done. Republicans didn't do it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    I didn't want to repeal obamacare. And this isn't changing any minds in utah anyway.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    re:JoeBlow

    The GOP has proposed several times a 10 step health care reform plan Joe. Some of the reform items include Tort Reform and Purchasing Insurance Across State Lines. Tort reform alone will lower cost in a BIG way by ridding ourselves of all the frivolous law suits. Allowing you to purchase insurance anywhere in America is just old fashion competition and capitalism which would also lower costs by introducing competition. Obamacare is 2700 pages of tax tax and more tax coupled with regulations and mandates and all of this is going to be a run-a-way train that hits small business owners head on in 2014. Business owners just had their bottom line reduced in a BIG way which always translates to layoffs , plant closures etc... The scary thing about all of this is that the true cost of OBamacare is still growing - doubling in size from 3 years ago already. Greece is the poster child of what socialized entitlements do to a country. It would be wonderful to give every one free healthcare but it would also be great to give each one of your kids a brand new SUV ! Can't aford it!!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    Cougarblue,

    The SCOTUS was appointed and confirmed according to the Constitution. They followed the processes outlined by the Constitution. They ruled according to the Constitution.

    Anyone who disagrees with this ruling is NOT a supporter of the Constitution of this country!

    You have the Constitutional right to such an opinion, but don't lie and claim to be patriotic when you do not support the Constitution.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    I think Chief Justice Roberts got it right. We might not like the laws and taxes, but it is within the right of government to enforce this. While Pres Obama might try to say this isn't a tax, it is, and we all know it. It just so happens that many people think it is a smart tax that makes the health care system work better. Feel free to argue against that, but don't argue about legality.

    You are not being taxed for doing nothing, think of it as everyone is being taxed for health care, and if you get coverage, then you get a tax credit (if not, no tax credit for you, because we know at some point you will get sick or injured and we the people will foot the bill). It isn't perfect, but I have lost all faith that the GOP can get anything better in place. Romney should move forward in his campaign, not backwards...if he dwells on this, he is going to lose big in November. Show vision, not criticism,

  • NT Springville, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    @patriot
    Just a minor correction: the SCOTUS did not rule a victory for Obama - they ruled that the ACA was not unconstitutional and could go forward as law.

    Agree 100% with your comments. If you have time, read the court's opinions and tell me if Ginsburg's disprespectful and arrogant language toward the the non-liberal Justices and their opinions, and the latitude she takes in interpreting the Constitution doesn't scare you at all.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    June 28, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    In America, government is not intended to be a care giver to the people. They are meant to preserve our rights and freedoms to chose. As long as people don't grow up and learn to care for themselves and their own, government encroachment will continue to increase in our lives and take away our choices. What normal kid wants to live with their parents their entire life? For those who don't agree, take an extended trip to another country and send us a post card telling us how wonderful life is for you. Oh, and make sure you send a return address.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    June 28, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    So this is a huge new tax increase by the man who promised taxes on families making less that $200,000 would NEVER pay more in taxes. (I never believed that, by the way.) To those in favor of this law, where do you think the money is coming from to pay for this?

    The Supreme Court has awoken a sleeping giant (the Tea Party) and filled it with terrible resolve. If you know anyone who is still watching ESPN or The Bachelorette, go wake them up and get them moving. It's time for a new midnight ride to wake the people.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 28, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    Today, Obama lost all credibility.

    He lied to us. He told us that he would not impose any new taxes on anyone making less that $250,000 a year.

    That was a lie.

    The Supreme Court caught him in that lie. They told us that Obama's health care package was a TAX. Obama lied. He was caught in that lie. The highest court in the country exposed him for what he is - a liar.

    Utah's Governor has every right to speak out against Obama. Obama has caused this State great misery. He has shut down our oil fields. He has idled thousands of willing workers. He has kept the treasury from receiving millions in revenue - so that America would suffer from the lack of self-produced oil.

    Obama, today, was exposed for what he is. If anyone can't see it, they are blind. Obama has been blaming Bush for everything that has happened in America for the last 11-1/2 years. Today, John Roberts shoved everything in Obama's face and reminded us that OUR choice for President has nearly ruined America.

    Our Governor is right. Obama must go.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 28, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    Yes, we Americans voted in these corrupt leaders.

    Our first big mistake, was allowing government to force our children out of their homes to be raised, educated, and brainwashed, with their liberal philosophy. Any time government controls education, it controls its people. It worked for Adolf, and Stalin.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 28, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Justice Roberts turned his back on the constitution he was supposed to uphold today and mark my words - his legacy will forever be linked to opening the gate wide for socialism in America. Yes that is his shameful legacy. This ridiculous tax interpretation of Roberts was shot down by every single justice - only Roberts "used" this piece of creative interpretation to slide this law to passage. The other liberal justices used the commerce clause as their reasoning. Roberts will forever be demonized throughout the ages especially as the HUGE tax burden continues to hit Americans year after year - both conservative and LIBERAL!!

  • jenrmc Fort Worth, TX
    June 29, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    I am not in favor of forcing people to get health insurance if they don't want to get it. I do however think a law needs to be in place to guarantee that no one can be turned down for insurance for any preexisting conditions and limit the premium price paid to one that is affordable to all. If a person then elects to not purchase insurance they shouldn't be allowed to receive treatment if they aren't able to pay for it. This I feel is fair for all involved.

    Although this is (sort of) of topic I would like to mention it. In Texas we have a law that you can forgo purchasing car insurance if you put up a bond with the state. This acknowledges a freedom to choose and yet demands a level of accountability.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    June 29, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    whether utahs vote for or against President Obama is immaterial (as the lawyers say). Under the electoral college system,. Utah,s electoral votes have not mattered in any presidential election during my life, 63 years and its not going to matter this year.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    The governor says repeal Obamacare by repealing Obama. By default, that means "vote for Romney", but is Romney much different? Yesterday, Romney said he would keep pieces of the legislation like protection for pre-existing conditions and allowing children to remain on a parent's policy until age 26.

    Romney is out of step with the Republican Party which has vowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act in total. No worries there. Mitt has plenty of time to flip his position, again.

    If Mitt doesn't flip, then he would repeal the piece that pays for the Affordable Care Act. He offers NO solution for paying for healthcare. That is very much in line with the Republican Party, such as when they passed unfunded Medicare Part D. It is an unfortunate strategy (for America)... pass unfunded legislation, then blame the Democrats for the deficit.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 29, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    What too many people forget -- or choose to ignore -- is the fact that we have all been paying a hidden tax for years.

    A tax imposed on the rest of us by those who do not have -- or can't afford -- health insurance.

    The other tax we have been paying goes directly to health insurance companies. What is it? 30% of our premiums go for "administrative" costs? Why is it that "administration" of insurance companies is so costly while for Medicare it's something like 12%?

    Profit is a dirty word for some people. Gouging is even dirtier. But isn't gouging what is actually happening?

    All the ACA does is move the hidden tax from the shadows and take it into the sunlight. But some of our politicians are like vampires. They shun the light.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    June 29, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    @Moderate

    Unfortunately, there is much truth to what you say--both democrats and republicans have gone way too far with government programs. We would all be far better off if neither the state nor the fed had ever gotten involved in health care. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Certainly, health insurance makes sense for the unusual and the unexpected, as typified by our home insurance, car insurance, etc. But now we simply equate health CARE with health INSURANCE. Hangnail? File an insurance claim. Nagging headache? File an insurance claim. Ugly pimple? File an insurance claim.

    If we have expenses to pay, what is the most efficient way to pay them? Running them through employers, insurance companies, the IRS, the U.S. congress, the federal bureaucracy, a thousand paper-pushers? Of course not--the least expensive way is to pay them ourselves--get the service, pay the bill--done. BUT, you say, health care is SO EXPENSIVE! You are right--it is terribly expensive, MOSTLY because, for 35 years, nobody cared what it cost because SOMEONE ELSE was paying the bill.

    That is why we are in the mess we are in.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 29, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    ok, let me get this right. Liberals are happy because there is now a new government program that will either tax the poor for non-compliance with the will of the government or will raise the cost of insurance so that the poor and middleclass will have a harder time paying for insurance.

    Don't you liberals claim to care for the poor? Why would you tax them and make health insurance more expensive?

    Reading the comments so far, you can see the divide that Obama is fostering in the US. You have those who want to choose for themselves what they do with their lives, and those who would turn big decisions over to the government. The scarry thing is that as conservatives wake up and start voicing their opinions, the liberals become more enraged. The enraged liberals have a history of turning violent, and with today's communications could cause havoc throughout the US all so that they can "protest" conservatives who dare to stand up to them.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    June 29, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    @ one old man

    "Why is it that "administration" of insurance companies is so costly while for Medicare it's something like 12%?"

    I will tell you why. It is because the whole federal government bureaucracy is so far-flung, complicated and unaccounted for, that you can pick and choose your numbers when you are analyzing a certain government program, and come up with whatever number you choose. As a former CPA, I can tell you that ANYTHING that is paid for with our income tax has a huge amount of cost associated with it before it even gets into the government coffers and is earmarked for any government program.

    Consider this: you go to Home Depot and purchase a $50 item as part of your home maintenance, and you pay for it. Think how efficient that is! Now think about what the cost would be if that transaction, the accounting for it, and the payment for it included the entire U.S. federal bureaucracy (Medicare Claim?) The IRS, the law-making, the highly-paid bureaucrats, the myriad of paper-shufflers, the fraudulent cases, the audits, etc., etc., etc. I can assure you, IT IS NOT EFFICENT!

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    June 29, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    So this is how liberty dies; with the masses demanding the state to wait on them hand and foot and the state cleverly pretending to conform with their wishes while assuming more control. The Supreme Court overstepped their bounds by doctering it before they upheld it. I find it most disheartening that the American public now consider socialism simply the polite and politically correct thing to do. Going from what I have been hearing on the streets and the predominant gist of the comments here, everyone thinks they will never have to pay another doctor bill again and are expecting free plastic surgery as well. I have one question for you guys; what are you going to do when the state decides something in regards to your healthcare that you vehemently don't want such as denial of care for a chronic condition? I know many of you believe that this will never happen here, but I guarantee you it will. Rest in peace US constitution, you were wonderful while you were here.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    ...and replace it with?