But why are we put in a spot where it drains the financial resources so much for
children whose parents aren't here legally?????
It's touching that the reporter focuses on pre-K and the little children,
but the students aren't dropping out of 4th grade. Asian students do well
primarily because they have a cultural expectation of academic success in their
homes. Hispanics do not.Throwing all this public cash into the children
isn't working. Did you notice that? More tax money down the rabbit hole
as we try to implement Hillary's village.As the Brethren have been
saying for 50 years, you need to fix the family. Of course, it isn't very
PC to suggest to any racial/ethnic group to become more like the WASPs.Personally, I don't care if they assimilate or not; let's stop
wasting money where it could be better spent on our own kids.
Many commenters assume that all immigrants spoken of in these stories came
illegally and that all Asians do well. Please, do some research on the
"Model Minority" myth, the fact is that many asian students who do well
after landing on our shores are not exceptional because universally asian
parents value education, it is frequently because these kids come from families
that were wealthy in their parents home country and themselves had great
educations. In fact, many such families were elite financially and
educationally, so when they move to the US they just assume the social roles
they would have had in their own countries. Also, if the commenters on this
site are usually LDS, it is shocking for me as a member of the Church to find
out that many of you are in fact anti-family and anti-child. You have to be in
the gall of bitterness to deny children the fundamental and basic opportunity to
reach their innate potential. Many Hispanics who immigrate now are part of a
wave of basically economic refugees seeking jobs, they are generally poorer in
their home country and frequently have less access to education there. This is
On a more positive note I find it so amazing how quickly young children can
learn a new language. I have lived in South America for 2 years now and continue
to struggle with Spanish even with classes while my now 6 year old can speak and
understand spanish just fine! Moderation in all things should be considered with
all programs and wisdom in spending our money - the tax payers.
It is nothing but free daycare for these families. Children mature at different
times in the early years. By the time they are in the fourth grade their brains
can usually assimilate the information on more of an equal level with peers.
Children crawl and walk when they are ready. It is a natural progression.
Learning should also be a natural progression. It should not be this difficult
to teach a child when they are developmentally ready for the information.
The parents need to step up and embrace being Americans when they come to
America by learning English and the culture. These are parents looking for a
free lunch in America. Learning English would help the children appreciate the
value of learning and adjusting to new environments in life.
I teach in Provo at a school that is roughly 30% hispanic (although that number
has been shrinking the last two years due to the bad economy). The problem
isn't the schools. We have many hispanic students that are high achievers.
Usually they are the kids that come from families farther away from the border.
Their families are immigrating here in order to get a good education for their
kids. They do all that they can to help their kids and it pays off. The problems in the schools come from the families that don't value
education. Their culture values hard work over education which isn't a bad
thing in my opinion. However it doesn't fit into our mold of school until
18. Those kids just want to get a job and start earning money. Of courses that
is short sighted and they would be much better off in the long run if they got
more education. Until a cultural shift happens, we will continue to see this
group of students doing poorly in school.Don't blame the
schools for this. We can't change their cultural background. We can only
I am just sick of having to pay out benefits for illegal aliens and their
children due to companies not wanting to pay a competitive wage. The corporate
world gets a pass to not pay out benefits and make the rest of us taxpayers foot
the bill. Meanwhile, the CEO gets to make more money off the backs of illegal
immigrants. I want the border plugged and laws enacted and enforced to prevent
companies from hiring illegals. It is not a racist issue. I know even some LDS
sensitive to illegal immigrant issues like to keep calling this a racist issue.
It is most certainly not. It is about a sustainable economy with jobs for
Americans. Contrary to some popular opinion, citizens of other countries, who
come here illegally, are not American citizens...no matter how hard they work.
The history of our one party legislature suggests we won't pay. Every year
subsidies and exceptions for businesses increase and every year we refuse to
have an extraction of minerals tax equal to the extraction tax in Wyoming.
Interesting that the stats for American Indians are the same as for Hispanics.
And yet, we aren't bending over backwards as a state or a nation to teach
and print everything in Navajo or Ute or Shoshone. The ultimate irony: caring
about illegal immigrants and ignoring the natives.
Well, ya had me on board until I read the "explicit instruction" at the
preschool level. Apparently someone hasn't done their research.
Tigger - explicit instruction is the only type of instruction shown to effect
positive academic changes in preschoolers. Headstart's failure over
decades to provide academic preparation for preschoolers is finally being
revealed and explicit teaching's successes cannot be ignored. While it is also great for preschoolers to participate in discovery learning
activities, like finger painting, sandboxes, arts and crafts and dressups, for
non-english speaking children these activities are not effective in preparing
them for school because the children do not have the language to talk about all
those activities. The more creative activities are powerful because of the
language and discussion that they promote, but in children who can't speak
English, they don't provide the same experience.Fortunately we
now know that if we explicitly teach language and vocabulary, number sense and
pre-math to non-english speaking preschoolers, the achievement gap can be
closed. This is VERY exciting news. We now have the expertise and
understanding to fix the achievement gap.The question is, do we have
the will to implement it? If we do, Utah can lead the nation in academic
achievement for all students.
This program has NOT closed the achievement gap at all. THIRD GRADE? My, you
have got 9 more years before high school graduation. There has to be a better
way of educating young children, besides providing privileged and unsustainable
education to a few selected students.
We could afford this if the only people attending were the people here
legally.Illegal immigrants and their children are a huge expense to
our education, medical, welfare and criminal justice system. That is why we
cannot afford better education.Legal immigrants deserve lots of help
and I hope they can get it, even if it means tightening enforcement of our
If I go to another country, is my MY responsibility to learn their language. It
is MY responsibility to get my kids assimilated. More examples of
the left and those who support leftist policies trying to throw one
person's responsibilty on others.
So, a few ironic things. First, I am married to a legal immigrant (now a
citizen), and it's frustrating when those who don't follow the rules
get a 'free pass.' That said, I think many on here exhibit an
unhealthy entitlement attitude because of where they were born, blaming
society's problems on the closest darker-skinned targets.Second, not doing everything we can to educate those in our schools is about
the dumbest thing we could do (or not do, as it were). If they're not
educated and in school, where will they be and under what conditions? Third, I've taught adult literacy in rural Mexico and, guess what? They
had free health care and school breakfast. Those suggesting that folks come
here for a free lunch are ignorant of illegal immigrants' reasons for
coming here. Most of them come to work to make a better life for their
families.Fourth, it's completely disingenuous to constantly
criticize the financial burden brought on by illegal immigrants without
acknowledging the financial benefits (i.e., cheaper products, a largely
consumer-based population whose salaries are poured back into society, etc.)
Chinookdoctor, it is NOT about immigration. It is about ILLEGAL immigration.
This is what people have the issue with. The U.S. should not have to foot the
bill for the entire world to "reach their potential". Other nations
must come up to the line and do their part. They do not, though. Rather, they
want the U.S. to do it. In fact, nations like Mexico cry out if we do not let
illegals stay here and rake in the benefits on the citizen taxpayer's back.
Being anti-illegal immigrant does not mean that one is anti-family. How in the
world can one come to that conclusion?
I am excited to hear that people are thinking about how to close the education
gap. It is very much needed. I haven't made my opinion on which methods
are best but I support we are trying different tactics to find what works.I, in general, am a fan for decreased government spending but I am a
strong supporter of investing in education for our younger generation. All
American children (natural born and immigrants) deserve all the help we can give
them. I am against illegal immigration but I feel it's constant discussion
has made many people think most Hispanic immigrants are here illegally. I know
I have been guilty of that and when I realized it I was disgusted with myself.
I think it is good to understand there is a problem but to not let it get in the
way of us helping disadvantaged citizens because we might be helping illegals at
the same time.
Utah's schools are in trouble in the sense that they have been starved by
the legislature and are ill equipped with low teacher morale, high class sizes
etc. to deal with the increasing diverse education. This could be the end game
for the Utah Legislature, starve public education then redesign it in some form
after it dies (private, charter, vouchers, home school, who knows, do they
know?) but unless things change it will not only be painful for students of
color, it will be painful for all students.
Howard hit the nail on the head.This has been the goal of our
legislature all along. Destroy public ed.