Teen had helped cut hair of 3-year-old girl she met at McDonald's
Without knowing all the facts it would appear the this judge crossed the line.
A judge in Texas recently got himself into hot water for sentencing an honor
student to a day in adult jail for truancy. Plus going to school that girl was
working a full time job and a part time job to support a sister and brother
after her parents abandoned them.And yes, that judge got his hand
slapped real hard.
I applaud the Judge. The girls that cut the hair of the little girl went to
great lengths to acquire scissors and then cut the hair. Why shouldn't
they both have to have cut hair too? And hair will grow back. I think the mom
that had to cut the hair should maybe think about teaching her daughter a lesson
and that a little shorter hair may help her daughter not be a bully. If I was
the judge I would have let the little girls mom cut the hair of the girl that
assaulted her daughter.
Good for the judge. I'm all for logical consequences. This one will stick
with the girl and hopefully help her see that what she did was very wrong. He
tried to find a way that would involve less punishment, which doesn't
usually work, and more thoughtfulness--giving the girl more reason to understand
how her actions affect other people. I do wonder, however, where the little
three-year-old's mother was at the time that this was able to even happen.
Hhs88 u couldn't agree with you more.
Re: hhs88 slc, ut"If I was the judge I would have let the little girls
mom cut the hair of the girl that assaulted her daughter."Then
you would be a judge looking for a new job. If your son gives my son a black
eye do I get to hit your son so he'll have a black eye also? Instead of
teaching hate the mother of the girl who got her hair cut had the opportunity to
teach her daughter forgiveness and love. Revenge doesn't bring long term
The judge made the right decision. Plus, where were the mothers? Do mothers
routinely leave their three year old daughters at McDonalds? Is McDonalds the
new day care in Price?
Waahhhh! Sounds like a pretty good deal (for the juvenile).
Actually, in many cases the principle of "an eye for an eye" can be
great teaching principle to people, if not taken to extremes (which in this case
it wasn't). It helps perpetrators understand the feelings and emotions they
forced upon their victims, which is then usually an additional deterrent to them
not doing something similar again. In this case, every time they look in
the mirror it will serve as a great reminder to the perpetrators of their
unlawful conduct until their own hair grows back... which will take many
months... all without enduring any physical pain and no more emotional trauma
than they themselves originally caused. Unfortunately, parents of these
juveniles often want only a little wrist-slap given, which leaves the victims
feeling even more victimized, and leaves the perpetrators more likely to
continue their unlawful behavior . I sincerely believe this judge used
Solomon-type wisdom in issuing this option, which the mothers of the offenders
obviously went along with... originally. Now, sadly, one of the mothers appears
to be wanting a bit of self publicity over this episode.
I agree with hhs88. However, perhaps the judge's method was unorthodox,
but it's certainly apparent the punishments given many do not deter their
bad behavior, and maybe this will serve this teenager better than the community
service hours. Too many get away with wrong things. Somehow we need to get
back to real discipline. People need to learn from their mistakes, not learn
how to work the system and get away with so much.What kind of
message is that mother sending her daughter by suing? Seriously!
In an separate incident, also before the judge, this girl has been cyber
bullying another girl. This child is a bully. I have always believed the
punishment needs to fit the crime. Her hair cut is minimal, hair grows back. The
worst part of all this is the justification her mother is giving her by going on
the news and whining. This child is getting fame for being mean. What is her
mother teaching her? I wonder where she will be 5 even 10 years from now?
I think that is a very fair punishment. I probably would have done the same
thing as a parent if it was my child and this incident came to my attention.
The daughter is the one who should have had to make the choice between the two
"Forgiveness and love" wouldn't teach the perp a thing. She would
quickly forget and be on her way. This punishment absolutely fit the crime.
should have cut the mothers hair too. The mother is the one who cut the
hair, she did not have to, it was cut your daughters hair for less community
service. And the mother took the deal for her daughter, does not look like the
daughter fought the idea, she probably did not care, wanted punk hair anyway.I do not think the judge should have given her the choice. Working out
collecting garbage in the hot sun is more of a punishment anyway.
I love it! I am one who is tired of hearing these traggic stories were
"bullies" are causing young boys and girls to take their own lifes. It
is about time someone steps up ( like this Judge) and puts the hammer down. A quick note to the mother... you might want to be happy with this judge
decision before you have to say goodbye to your daughter for life for bullying a
kid so far that they take their life and she is found guilty of that crime. Parents step up and keep an eye on your kids and their stupid behaviors.
Help stop this garbage.
How can this mother be upset? The judge's actions were fair. She cut the
little girls hair so her hair gets cut. Hair grows back. The fact that the older
girls had to find a store, purchase scissors and go back and cut the 3 year
old's hair makes them pretty guilty. The mother and her daughter is lucky
the judge offered them such a simple way out.
The part that bothers me the most is that the mother is whining about the
punishment instead of providing an added punishment of her own. I would not only
have whacked off my kids hair, I would have whacked his privileges at home and
probably his behind, too! Reminds me of the cartoon I recently saw.
Two panels. The first panel, "20 Years ago", shows mom and dad with
their child in front of a school teacher. They're holding up a report card.
The kid is obviously in trouble, with mom and dad glaring at him, and demanding
of him: "What is up with these grades??" The second panel,
"today", shows the parents and child, (with a smirk on his face),
they're holding the report card, glaring at the teacher, and demanding of
her: "What is up with these grades??". Why do parents continue to
facilitate their delinquent children?
Well, I dont exactly think it was the most professional thing I have ever seen,
but I think its asbolutely awesome! As the judge put it..."Why
shouldn't she get her hair cut?" she said. "The other little girl
had to get her hair cut. It fits the crime."As said by the
mother, sometimes it may not be the best way to teach a lesson. But I think its
so cool that the judge was willing to do that!
NedGrimley:That the mother is not actively trying to teach her daughter to
be a good person is precisely why she is the way she is. Though my kids--and,
I'm guessing yours as well--are not perfect, my kids will never even start
on that kind of path because of what we teach them at home. Any type of
behavior that we believe is unacceptable is communicated as such very clearly to
our kids. As a result, the problems we do have with them are minor. People, very few of us are as good as we could be. I have met a couple of
people in my life that I think are amazing, but that doesn't yet apply to
me. Nevertheless, we as adults, we as parents, must give our full effort to
being the best we can be as people, as parents, et cetera. When we think it is
acceptable to do less than that, any variety of social ills are likely to be the
Yes, I was wrong. In reading the story more closely it sounds like the older
girls who did the cutting are headed for more serious trouble if their parents
don't get them turned around. The judge should be commended for his
I am sure this woman will spend much more time in jv court with her daugher.
I am also sure after her complaint the judges will not be so leniant next
Give the judge a raise. This is the kind of sentence that MIGHT wake up the perp
and her mother.
Clearly, this 13 yr old has issues. In my experience, 99% of the time, kids with
issues have parents with issues. This girl is already engaging in cyber
bullying. She is a future resident at the facility in Gunnison, or at the point
of the mountain. Unless her mother makes some changes and becomes a responsible
parent. And on the other hand, I'll say this, Was the mother of the 3 yr
old texting or something when this event occured? THat woman needs a reprimand
as well. Wake up! Be a parent! This teenager is lucky she didn't try
something like that on my daughter. Papa bear is not much better to deal with
than mama. I hate the snotty entitlement attitude that kids these days exhibit.
My parents would have taken me out to the woodshed with good reason. Bullies
must be stopped by whatever means necessary. Look what Japan turned themselves
into after we forced them to stop bullying, productive members of society!
Rifleman,I like that you can look at the situation and change your
mind. There's no shame in saying I changed my mind. Too often,
particularly in politics, it's deemed to be a bad thing to change your
Am I reading this right. Two girls talked about cutting this little girls hair.
Had to go across the street to get scissors and them back? This is plain and
simple per-meditated assault . These girls when asked why they did it will have
the standard answer "I don't know" It is time for them to
"Know" right from wrong. I agree with the judge and the punishment
This 13 year is pure mean. Who wants to harm a 3 year old girl? Someone who is
flat out mean-spirited.
Good for the judge!The little girl whose hair was cut, has to wait a
long time for her hair to grow back. There's no more fitting
way to prove what the victim goes through, than to cut the perp's hair.Ms Lopan, are you raising your daughter to learn the consequences or get
out of trouble by running to the news?
Chalk one up for the good guys. I would really love to know why a 13 year old
would decide to pick on a 3 year old. It doesn't take a lot of imagination
to figure out how this story will go in the long term.
The court system is not about "love and forgiveness," it's about
justice. That's why Lady Justice is wearing a blindfold. Among other
things, this judgment will get national attention, which I'm sure the judge
knew, and the girls' crime will be well-known.
Good for the judge! It's clear that this is a troubled young woman. I
think the mother should seek some professional help for the daughter instead of
complaining about the judge's behavior.
Vidar, I'm respectfully disagree. The mother should not have had her hair
cut also unless for family home evening she taught her children that bullying is
okay. Otherwise the daughter was acting completely on her own with the help of
her bad friend. Friends like that should be dumped.
Some years ago Judge Johansen gave a young man the choice of serving time in
juvenile detention or joining the High School wrestling team. He chose
wrestling. It was absolutely the best thing that could have happened to the
teenager, even though he was never a star wrestler. I also remember Judge
Johansen sentencing another young man to fines and community service
requirements that were exactly double the norm, because in the Judge's
words, "I know your family, and you've been taught. You should know
Congratulations to the judge for thinking creatively and consequentially. Criticism to the mother for not backing the judge up.Best
wishes to the girl for getting life figured out before she does something
terrible instead of stupid.
@Rifleman - Recommend you research the psychology of revenge. It has its place
in the evolution of society as a means of maintaining good order. Good for the judge. The problem with the system today is that we tend to
condone bad behavior. This judge obviously wasn't going to go with the
They picked on a three year old? The judge should have had them shave their
The Judge understands that An Eye For An Eye is not about Retribution alone.
Punishments that fit crimes are designed to ignore the "group" or
"status" differences between the offender and the victim because
legally, no difference exists in America. It is because the 3 year-old and her
hair have the Same Value as the 13 year-old that a Hairlock for a Hairlock is
Just and Good.
These are the types of Judges we need. The girl was not harmed except maybe her
pride. The next time she thinks of doing something stupid, as she did in this
case, she can look in the mirror and see her short hair.Placing kids
in detention normally makes matters worse as they are breeding grounds for bad
behavior - trust me as I worked in a youth detention facility for years.The namby-pamby parents that always think there children do no wrong
need to be charged also then maybe they would take a keen interest in teaching
their children right from wrong. My question is - where was this mother while
her child was being a bully to another child? Obviously not engaged in the
parenting process.An ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of
So the mother is raising a bully and after thinking about it, decided she
doesn't want her precious daughter to suffer any consequences of her
bullying. And it's not like she was forced to cut her daughter's
hair, she was given an option, and she chose to do it. The mother does not seem
to care that her daughter is a bully.
The two tweens sound like they need some real discipline in their lives. They
need parents who enforce boundaries rather than allow the kids to act without
consequence. That was a very good punishment. When kids damaged my
husband's property, he agreed to a reduced penalty for them both if they
shaved their head for the summer. Trust me, those boys will never bother my
husband's property again. And hopefully will think twice before they do
any more stupid things. It would be nicer if the parents would step up their
parenting abilities so it doesn't have to get to this. 11 and 13 are
plenty old enough to know that you don't touch another person's body,
much less cut their hair.
It isn't civilized. Community service in entirely would have been better.
Now they think some drastic act can get them off some of the consequence. Where was the mom of the three year old?
K.It cut the community service in half. It's not civilized?
Please. With attitudes like that it's no wonder that the wussification of
America is well under way.
Two girls; one a teenager and the other a "tween," conspired to cut the
hair from a 3 year old child because of malice.That was MEAN and LOW
and MALICIOUS.There must be an appropriate response; the actors
deserve nothing less than the public embarrassment that will come from their
outward appearance - they EARNED the right to walk around near-to-bald.I don't think of this as "punishment;" I think of it as
"apropos."I hope they have learned a lesson; when you harm
other people for your own amusement, your countenance shows your character - in
this case aided slightly by the creative judgment of a Jurist.By-and-large I am not predisposed to approving of "creative
sentencing;" it has been a tool used by despots to inflict public injury on
a defendant for the amusement of a Judge on many occasions; in this case I do
think it appropriate, as the People of Utah have declared that the purpose of
juvenile courts are to "reform" the character of a child, and not to
"punish" them.I dare say that this WILL reform their
character, or at least I hope it will, and I approve.
Where's the father of the older girl? Why didn't she have the thought
running through her head: If I do this, my parents will kill me?
the woman needs to grow up. no wonder her daughter is the way she is. the
daughter does a despicable act and the mom doesn't want her punished. AND
she's done worse, threatening to rape and mutilate another girl? as a mom i would have shaved off ALL her hair and taught her a lesson! maybe
mom needs hers cut off too! the courts better not let her get away with suing
the judge. THAT would be injustice!
i think the judge did the smart thing in making the parent choose to cut or not.
this way the MOM will also start thinking about consequences. even if she
whined to the daughter that she really didn't want to do it, hopefully
there will be guilt feelings. but somehow i can't see this woman feeling
guilty about anything. she obviously did not care enough about her daughter to
teach her better, especially after the first time something happened. the mom
also needs the consequences.
This mother needs to spend her energy thinking about how to turn her
daughter's aggressive behavior around instead of filing complaints and
talking to the media. I don't think the mother fully gets what path her
daughter is headed down. Your daughter is not a victim because she had to cut
her hair, she is a victim of her lack of impulse control.
Is this some kind of Utah thing? Didn't Mitt decide this was an acceptable
thing to do.when he was a kid?Bet nobody physically assaulted him as punishment.
Quite a few here are missing key parts of this pathetically written article.
What age was the girl involved? I know mommy dearest was blaming her 11 year old
friend, but what about the age of the point of the article? Also, what about
calling some teen in Colorado threatening them with rape? HUH? If the perp was
also 11, what is she doing calling some teen in another state and threatening
rape? What else is going on in mommy's home? As for the question of where
the mothers were, obviously 1 did not care, while the mother of the three year
old...ever take your kids to McD's? Their playland's are usually
pretty extensive. It would not take much for kids in the tunnels to pull this
off and the mother of the 3yo not notice. The other "mother" didn't
even know her brat left, bought a scissors and came back. It is because
"mothers" like that who allow older "children" playing in a
playland why I would climb into it to yank some snot out because mommy was not
paying attention, and junior jumped into a ball pit where a 1yo was.
I think the judge came up with a brilliant solution. Cut hair is totally
temporary, but as long as it is growing back that young woman has a reminder of
her really inappropriate conduct. The mother is way off base, IMHO. When my sons
as middle-schoolers decided to indulge in some petty mailbox vandalism I made
them go up to each house, introduce themselves, confess what they had done, and
repair the mailboxes. They had to send away for some replacement mailbox flags.
The best lesson I ever taught them. Had I been that girl's mother I
probably would have cut her hair myself.
I probably would have cut that mean girls' hair myself if I were her
parent. Kudos to that judge! When my two then-middle-school-aged sons decided to
get into some malicious mailbox mischief I made them knock on every
victim's door, introduce themselves, confess what they had done and then
repair all the damage. It took them weeks, because they had to send away for
some mailbox flags. Guess what? First and last time anything like that
occurred. Problem solved.
I was not present when this incident occurred. My children were with their
grandfather where, like on many occasions, he likes to take them for dinner and
play. He was present in the restaurant when the incident took place, and if any
of you have children who play in a play area like these, there are several
"hiding" places involved that make it impossible to see everything all
the time. To set the record straight my daughter DID NOT leave with the girls
when they went across the street to buy scissors (some people are under that
impression for some reason). No, I was not texting. My daughter was the victim,
not because she was left unsupervised, but because 2 older girls who were
strangers to her for whatever reason decided to take a pair of scissors to my
daughter's hair maliciously, even kept it for a while as a trophy. In going
to the police I only wanted an apology, to know why, and a hope consequences for
their actions. Thank you Judge Johansen, their punishment was sweet vindication
for me, considering I got to miss out on my daughter's first hair cut.
I can see how the girls managed to cut the little girl's hair at
McD's. When children disappear into the tubes and enclosures there it is
hard to know just what is happening. I take grandchildren there occasionally,
and have followed them all through the maze, but it took me much longer than it
does the children, and several haircuts could have taken place. I
support the judge's directive. The mom of the teenager is a wimp.
re Rifleman,You are to be commended for your change of heart. It takes a
real man or woman to admit an error. Thank You !!
Sounds fair to me. The judge is a wise man. Now the young girl
knows what it feels like to have her hair cut off without her permission.Empathy is a good thing.
We need more of this kind of justice to help stem the out of control violent
crime in this country. Liberal judges all too often protect the criminals or at
least the punishment prescribed has far less impact on the criminal than the
crime had on the victim. An eye for an eye would make potential criminals think
twice about committing egregious crimes. You take someone's pony tail, you
forfeit your right to own yours. In this case, it's just a pony tail after
all, but does give a young girl a great lesson in 'do unto others...'
Why should criminals face any less suffering than their crime caused the victim
to experience? If anything, the severety of punishment for violent crime should
be more, not less than the severity of the crime.
GO Judge Johansen!!! Valerie Bruno, You need to work on your kid and her
bullying tendencies. It will only get worse from here if you make excuses for
her. God bless.
Victims mother.....you are right on and totally did the right thing, you have
alot of support. @restmom.....that was lame, just sayin
The mom of the teen must be nuts to be complaining. The judge did not force her
to cut her child's hair. The option was given, but the mother chose that
option so that her teen would not have to do more community service. She has no
grounds for complaint and it will be thrown out. In the mean time, she is
exploiting her child in the news showing the teen to be a bully. The kid will
now have the label of being a bully for the rest of their life unless they move
to another state where people don't have access to the internet.As
for forgiveness, forgiveness is given when someone repents and is sorry for what
they have done, but that does not mean there are not consequences from your
actions. With that logic, we may as well close the jails and let the murders
and rapists go free because they deserve forgiveness too.Victims Mother,
my apologies that your parenting was questioned. I'm not sure when the
victims became the persecuted. I'm guessing it was at the same time that
the perps were not held accountable for their actions.
Thank you photographermom! I really appreciate all the support! I just feel bad
for ALL the girls involved! Not only my daughter, but the other little girl who
is also a victim of the 2 bullies and the bullies themselves. It's a sad
situation all around!
Damino, I would also like to thank you! I would of been happy with a simple
apology, which is something my family has never received.
Victim's Mother, I'm glad you're little girl is okay. What a
frightening experience for her and your family.There's
something wrong with the 13 year old girl; I hope she receives professional
correction: YOUR little girl ugh!!
It's parents like that Bruno, that raise bullies like we saw in that school
bus video. The Judge did a good thing. He offered that bullying brat a deal,
and the mother took it. The fact that she's now trying to get the judge in
trouble and enabling her bully daughter shows that she's a terrible
parent.How disgusting that teen was by looking for a sissors to pick on a
three year old. This society is doomed with parents like Ms. Bruno, IMHO.
Rifleman--I guess you're not in Houston. The national press blew that deal
with the "honor student" all out of proportion (as I knew they had when
it was a reporter and not a teacher who went to court with the young lady). Her
dad had not abandoned the family. He was working out of town. And her older
brother was in college at A&M and was fully capable of providing for
himself. Her jobs that she worked was a dry cleaners (closed at 7pm) and then
at the same establishment on the weekends in a party room they had for wedding
receptions, etc. In short, her situation was far from desperate. She just
chose to work til 7 then do God only knows what with the rest of her time. And
she was an "honors student" because in some urban Texas districts, you
don't have to qualify to be in "honors" classes--just request them.
The judge backing down had more to do with public pressure than justice.
Totally agree with the judge. That woman is a terrible mom and is not doing her
daughter any favors by whining to the press about the punishment that she agreed
on in the first place. The punishment perfectly fits the crime.
Victims mother, I apologize for being glib yesterday. (I was recently nearly run
off the road by a woman texting in her car while driving and can't seem to
shake my animosity towards texters. I am sorry for your situation. My best to
you and your daughter.Also I still think more should be done about
bullies. Malicious children are still malicious, even if they are too young for
I say good for the judge. The mother had to make a decision, and SHE made it.
The other choise would have taken to much effort.
Mr. Lobosco,The 3-year-old was at McDonald's with her
grandfather and her 8-year-old brother. According to her mother, the grandfather
was seated at a table with a view of the play area where his grandchildren were
both playing, but did not see what the older girls had done. It was the
girl's 8-year-old brother who helped ID the older girls on the
McDonald's surveillance video.In the grand scheme of the story,
my editors and I didn't believe the circumstances surrounding the
supervision of the 3-year-old at the McDonald's were pertinent. I guess we
were wrong.Thanks for your email,Geoff Liesik, Deseret News
"I never dreamt it would be that much of a punishment," she says?
I'm certain the other mother never dreamt it would be that much of a
punishment to take her daughter on an outing to McDonald's, either. If I
were the mother of the bullying barber, I hope I would have the sense to not
bring my lack of parenting skills and intelligence to the attention of the
media. By whining that her poor daughter had her hair "cortado" in court
in order to get out of time spent in juvie or a work crew (which the
undisciplined child clearly deserves) shows such a lack of empathy for the other
child. The punishment fits the crime, and, while unusual, is not cruel.
Good for this judge and shame on the mother for filing a complaint!
The judge was right.The mother is legally responsible for her
daughter's behavior. The judge gave the mother a choice, cut the hair or
let the daughter serve a stiffer sentence. That's fair.What
business did that girl have cutting a child's hair? Who gave her that
right? When parents fail to teach their children, judges have to
make up the difference. Neither the daughter or the mother will ever forget
that actions have consequences. It looks like the mother needs some
training if she thinks that the judge was out of line. Perhaps both the mother
and the daughter should spend a few hundred hours doing community service until
they both understand that actions have consequences and that PARENTS are
responsible to teach their children how to behave.
I agree with the judge. there was no compulsion involved, but incentives for
Good for the judge! We need MORE judges with his kind of common sense! I think
the Mom of this teen should be grateful she came before a judge who gave her the
option of reducing her daughter's sentence! She's very lucky! ... and
very ungrateful! But this story begs the most obvious question, which
hasn't been addressed - WHERE was this 3-year old's Mom while all this
was happening? These kids had the time to initially befriend the 3-year old, go
to the McD counter and be refused a pair of scissors, and then go across the
street to a store, buy a pair of scissors, and come back to cut this
child's hair? That involves quite a bit of time! Where was her Mom all
this time? Seems like all the parents in this story could use a course in
Children, and that includes preteen-aged adolescents, are, for the most part,
"OUT OF CONTROL"! With that being said, I do NOT blame those mischievous
little "porch-apes"! It's Mom and Dad's JOB to make sure their
"younguns" are well disciplined and "able" to be out in
public...unsupervised. I expect that this "mom" is one of those that
cries "foul" every time her daughter gets in trouble...It's never
"her" daughter's fault. Those parents will, one day, wake up to the
fact that "THEY" did their child a great injustice. Like maybe when they
are arrested for rape...or shop lifting.....or MURDER! The child WILL grow
up...THEN...they will be held to stricter punishment. This judge was
WRONG!!...He should have SHAVED her head!
Mishey - please read all the comments here. The 3 year old's mother has
commented. She explained where she was. She wasn't there. The child was
there with her grandfather who was seated to where he was watching the play
area. Have you have been to a McDonald's playland? There are many many
hiding spots. The victims family is not at fault here and shame on you for
trying to make her mother feel so without knowing all the facts!
I completely agree with the judge's decision and am fascinated by Ms.
Bruno's assertion that she felt very intimidated. More intimidated than
the 3 y/o her daughter assaulted? More intimidated than the CO girl her
daughter threatened to rape and mutilate? Her daughter has been in front of a
judge more than once this spring so it doesn't sound like she's all
that intimidated.All I'm saying is Ms. Bruno has had 13 years
to teach her daughter right from wrong. Now she has an opinion on effective
methods?I'm not an 'eye for an eye' guy but hair
grows back, eyes don't. The haircut is the least troubling part of this
story to me.
From the article, it doesn't sound like the judge "ordered the mother
to cut her daughters hair," but in stead gave her the option as an
alternative to cut the community service hours in half. The mother and daughter
opted for the deal offered. They could have said "No." I don't
see the problem here.
If an eye for eye and tooth for tooth were still in effect we would have a world
full of blind toothless people.
Did anyone actually read the article? Despite what the headline claims, in no
way, shape or form did the judge ORDER the mother to cut her daughter's
Too bad the State Judge who had Brian Mitchell always singing and disrupting
their court didn't threaten a haircut and a shave if he wouldn't shut
up. Eventually hair will grow back, after the offender has had a bit of time to
reflect upon their punsihment. I heard of years ago where an Idaho
judge told vandals who damaged cemetery property that "since they were so
enamored with the city cemetery they could dig all the graves for the next 6
months." Talk about the punishment fitting the crime!!!
All I can say is HALLELUJAH! I love this judge. Imagine how scared that three
year old girl must have been as two teenage bullies were cutting her hair.
It's the least the judge could do and I'm appalled that the mother is
now making a big deal of it. Note to mom ... start holding your daughter
accountable for her poor choices or plan on visiting her in prision in a few
years. Tack on a few additional punishments of your own and I bet your daughter
will learn a great lesson from this experience.
More rulings like this, judges...everywhere! Feeling the sting of what they did,
themselves, these girls have to think about their actions evey time that they
look into a mirror. And I think that they probably had some explaining to do, to
everyone that noticed that their hair had been cut...don't think that the
other should have been able to go to a salon, to have her hair cut, hope that
she didn't see that as a fun thing..well we've all made dumb choices
at some point in our lives,so enough said.
This is what the entire 60's was all about: women were supposed to get
equal rights in all things...well, the children of that generation taught their
children and now those children feel they are allowed to anything they
wish....bully the bus monitors, bully classmates, cut off the hair of a three
year old....three for god's sake. The mothers should be sued for big
money....we need to use the tools the left has used these past thirty years.
He should have had the girl's head buzzed like a new Army recruit. The
humiliation in the weeks that followed would have taught a far better lesson
than just lobbing off her ponytail. Many girls at school already have short
hair without ponytails. No lesson learned there.
i think it fit for the hair cutting of the little but i would have cut it short
and given the hair to locks of love-way to go judge
On the Judge who ordered defendants hair cut:BRAVO to you sir. It's
about time someone stood up to the school bullies,& makes them responsible
for their actions. In viewing the comments of the mother of this child, who
chopped off the little girls hair, it's no wonder her child is so abusive.
It's a shame the mother could not have her hair chopped off also for not
teaching her child the consequences of her action. The perfect case of the tail
wagging the dog. Wake up MOM, before your daugher pulls off a much bigger
crime, then goes to jail for it. Then woman, you have no one else to blame but
yourself for not teaching your daughter she has to be accountable for her
actions. Again Judge, nice to see justice dealt with properly for a change.
What needs to be understood is this, the judge didn't "order" the
ponytail cut, as the headline and article state. He offered it as an option in
exchange for a reduced sentence. It was the mother's choice."I'm going to give you this option: I will cut that by 150 hours if
you want to cut her hair right now," Johansen said.Mom made the
decision to cut the hair, not the judge.
The Judge was correct about the Mother making a choice. now, the Mother wants to
backpedal? It shows why the 13 yr old thinks she can get away with things -
cutting a 3 yr old's hair, deliberately, and that information about the
rape/mutilation threats to a Colorado teen?.. this 13 yr old's Mother
should have added her own punishment. This is a Mother who needs to teach her
daughter about being an adult, not teaching by example to WHINE. They may
both be brats to everyone they meet; just two different ages. It would be
interesting to be a fly on the wall when the Mother's behavior is discussed
behind her back by her own family, her coworkers and her neighbors. They are the
ones who see her behavior on a regular basis. It would probably hurt the
Mother's feelings, because I can't see it being good... pt
This story is likely a story of a "mountain made out of a mole hill".
I don't like the idea of "media lynching" a couple of
juveniles (children) for a "childish act". The act does seem to be out
of the "norm" for behavior and is surely deserving of parental response
and even the decision of the judge. But..permanent stigma at the
hands of the "press" and the general public seems to be a bit much. The
judge ordered the pony tail of the offender cut. In both cases of the victim
and the "child offender", the hair will likely grow back. Should
"we" doom all three children as forever cast in lifetime roles as
"victims and perps" for all eternity? In the absence of other
information, we should trust the decision of the judge and the parents involved
and let it go.
Hammurabi and Solomon would both approve. It also met the standards of Contract
Law (Statute of Frauds from the Common Law). The Offer was hair or 150 hours in
an orange jump suit picking up road litter. "Mom" should be thankful she
had that choice.
Kudos to the judge. This girl and her mother's parenting style clearly
need serious overhauling. I do wonder why the three year old was not being
watched more closely; still, the punishment sounds like it fit the crime.
1. Sorry but the mother of the girl who did this doesn't need to be
saying "That's not how you teach them right from wrong." Obviously
you don't know, because your kid does WRONG. 2. You're complaining
because the judge let your kid have a lesser sentence if you chopped her hair
off? You should have done it the second you found out ANYway. 3. You're
raising a kid who goes so far as to leave, buy scissors, return and do this -
AND has made threatening calls to others. 4. Boo to the VICTIM's mother for
not watching her kid in the first place and this parent for not watching hers as
well. Bad parenting all the way around!
The job of a juvenile judge must be vary hard. I also applaud the judge for his
offer of sentence reduction in this case. In addition the juvenile appears to be
a bully and is being protected by the mother, possibly affected by the same
trait. The judge should also have required family counseling with a follow-up
with the judge for further possible action. Children harming other children who
are strangers brings other horrific cases to mind.
Punishment definitely just. Since daughter is a juvenile, parents are part of
the process. They think it was ridiculous to cut her hair? Well, it was
ridiculous to cut the 3 year olds hair, and to go to the lengths they did to do
it. Complaint against judge should go no where. Sounds like Price,
UT needs to come up with activities to keep their youth busy and out of trouble.
I say the punsishment fit the crime.
WHERE is the mother during the haircut? Not being that far removed from having
three year olds of my own, I am forced to question what the judge apparently
didn't. Certainly, with a 3 year old, from experience I know it is
impossible to keep track of one every single minute of the day, but in a public
place like McDonald's, how do you lose track of a 3 year old long enough
for her hair to be cut? The mother of the 3 year old should be, at the very
least, investigated by child services on charges of neglect. It is kind of sad
and shocking that everyone is focusing on punishment for the deed of cutting the
toddler's hair, and as wrong as it may be, would NOT have happened with a
responsible adult present. I imagine responsible parents are hard to come by
these days, at least in Price, UT. To take it one step further, I would
discipline the judge as well for not addressing the parenting abilities of Ms.
Who would let their 11 old run free like that? It would scary me to death to
have her out of my sight for so long. I don't understand the complaint of
the perp's mom against the judge, she agreed to do it. She should be
thankful that he gave her an easy way out. I think it would have been better if
they made her shave her head. Go JUDGE!!!
My earler comment (about having the daughter choose the punishment) was to make
the girl take responsibility for what she did. If I was the one who had to
choose the punishment, I would have opted for the full community service term
and would have had a bald child as soon as we got home. I would have made her
shave her head herself.Each of my sons did something really stupid
when they were in their early teens, and their Dad and I came down on them like
a ton of bricks. They never tried it or anything similar again. We always
taught them that they had to take responsibility for their actions, AND we
enforced it.To Sharinlite 9:24 a.m. 6/24/2012I am one of the
women who fought for equality in the 1960s. The fact that we stopped being
chattel has nothing to do with the way we raised children, or the way our
children are raising theirs. What you should be complaining about is lazy
parenting, not the fact that women now aren't (for the most part"
second class citizens.I am one of the
For those who insist on blaming the mother of the victim for not watching her
child, PLEASE go back and read the comments. (Do they teach reading in Buchanan,
MI?)Both the victim’s mother and the editor of this Deseret
News article have addressed the issue. It helps to have all of the information
before forming conclusions, and lynch mobs.
It was an option that could be taken. I'd be concerned about people using
this sort of thing in more extreme cases but this seems to be an okay use of
that kind of ruling.
As a mother of two two-yr-olds, and someone who has seen the trauma bullying
causes, If it had been my child, her hair probably would have been chopped off
when we got to court. As soon as I found out, her hair would have been unevenly
chopped at the same way she did to that poor girl. If she even was left hair.
Hair grows back, but the hurt of feeling "ugly" would have taught her a
lesson. But this whole story screams irresponsible parents. Both plaintiff and
defendant. Its time parents start PARENTING their bullies. My child would have
been handing her an apology letter to parent and child AT THE HEARING. I'd
be ashamed of such mean acts committed by my children. I raise them better than
that. Do unto others as you have them do to you. Apparently this child wanted a
Rifleman, There is a difference between cutting the hair of 13 yr. old girl who
took advatage of a 3 yr girl with a pair of sissors and a girl working a
fulltime job and a part time job to support her sibilings. That judge was so
wrong I can't even see straight. I think in this case the lady had a
choice. She could have let the judge do what he wanted. SHE decided to go ahead
and cut her childs hair. I have no sympathy for either one (mother or daughter).
I think this was a brilliant ruling by the judge. Unfortunately, it will
probably not have the desired effect because the mother has decided to complain
about the ruling, thus enabling her daughter's bad behavior. Too bad about
that. Maybe the daughter should have cut the mother's hair also.Eventually this foolish mother will reap the consequences of her irresponsible
actions, but it will be her daughter and her daughter's future victims who
will really pay the price.
Do they teach parenting in Utah: There is no cause to send child services to
the family of the 3 year old. But I say how about a visit to the 13 year olds
Sorry, Mom, but you need to teach your child that bullying is wrong and accept
the consequences. Stop whining. Your child is a danger to other children and
the judge is just doing some of what you needed to do to teach your child
about respecting others.
Haha... Good job judge johansen!!! Maybe that girl will stop being a bully!!! I
thought that was actually a great ruling!!
Where were the parents of all these children? How could this have happened with
not one parent seeing what was happening? And why did they cut the little
girl's hair? Why? What was their motive?
Rifleman - kudos on announcing you made a mistake. I was going to comment to you
on whether or not you read that she had another case where she was threatening
another child. this child obviuosly has some issues and it would seem that the
mother is the reason her child is behaving like she is. If only I could say a
few words to that mother I would tell her to open her eyes to the path her
daughter is on - and it's not a good one. Too many of the kids these days
get away with too much. I myself have come across teenagers who back talk me
when I've reprmanded them for something they did that could either have bad
consequences for them or others - what kind of parents do these kids have .....
parents like this mother. Look at what's happening in Florida with the teen
who stood up for a disabled girl - she's getting punished! What is wrong
with our society today?! I hope that principle or school district supervisor and
bus driver get fired ..... but oh no that wouldn't happen because of the
union. It's terrible!
It's about time Judges mete out appropriate judgments like this. Too few
parents are disciplining their kids nowadays. Kids get away with anything they
want, show no respect to anyone, and expect to receive respect for having done
nothing to earn it. This mom should be absolutely ashamed of herself. She is
teaching her daughter the wrong thing by making excuses for her behavior,
seeking to eliminate proper punishment, and hoping to cash-in on the
Judge's decision. It's parents like her that are destroying our kids.
The lawyer should also be censured. He should be fined for abuse of process
because this is a completely frivolous lawsuit. How anybody can condemn this
Judge and defend the mom is beyond me. Time outs don't work. Kids need
spanking, taking away of privileges until it hurts, and sometimes humiliation
and embarrassment. Sometimes "an eye for an eye" is entirely
appropriate, and this is one of those times.
per SpaceCowboy69 10:07 a.m. June 22, 2012"Is McDonald's
the new day care in Price?" It depends does it have a play area?
My Opinion is;From what I’ve just read, I believe that the
punishment has fit the crime . . . It’s conceivable for the mother of the
11 years old girl to think in that manner; however, she needs to come to terms
with the judge’s decision and take it in like a good parent should. As I
read the comments I can see that everyone has a valid point and my point is that
the judge’s decision stands.
We need to think what we are doing to our children . . . for the most part
parents do not take responsibility for their actions or their children’s
actions, some parents give their kids money to stay away, others do anything for
the kids even lie in front of a judge saying that his/her kid is an outstanding
kid and never did anything wrong in his or her life. People! You need to
take responsibility. If you do not the crime rates will keep going up and up and
the last thing you do not want to do you may have to do which is bury your love
The environment in which your kids evolve is not the only thing that is in play
parenting is the most important of all, be true to yourself and others stop
hiding what everyone else can see and you cannot.
In this case, great judgement by the judge! But like others, I have to ask
where was the mother of the 3 year old? Great job, judge, and quit
your whining, mom!!!
The girl has psychological issues, clearly. Medieval punishments will NOT help.
Anyone who praises such simpleton, crude, and unhelpful approaches (most
commenters) lack sophistication and education. God help this poor victim of
living in a place stuck in the middle ages.
I have a 3 yr old daughter and when we go into a mcdonalds play place I watch
her like a shadow, because of girls like these. Which is sad that so many ppl
these days are bullying others. but this goes beyond even what im afraid of (a
kid pushing her or pulling her hair) these girls not only bullied this toddler,
they went to extreme lengths (walking to another store just to BUY scissors!!!!)
that is with full knowledge of what they were planning to do. As a mother of a
girl, I have to say, I wouldnt have cut my daughters hair at the pony, you
better believe when she came to court she would have a shaved head and be very
aware that what she did was most certainly not to be swept under the rug! GOOD
JOB! to the judge. She also needs to be psych evaluated and start serving out
some sort of apology (mowing lawn, cards, ect) to that poor little girl. these
girls are on the road to felony acts and imprisonment if they arent dealt with
The judge implemented a useful strategy to ward off future abusive behavior.
The only problem is that the mother is still an enabler and will continue to
paint the family as victims. A generation of children unwilling to take
responsibility for their behavior is on the rise, and behind them are parents
like this. (Ph.D. and senior fellow in Human Development)
AGAIN, mirismomma, if you do such crude primitive punishments to a child whose
problem is psychological, you could make matters worse, much worse. Do you
support muslim "genital mutilation" to curb promiscuousness? Because
technically it does, but it is still ABUSE. This kid needs intervention, help,
and NOT ABUSE.
I think the judge should have required the haircut IN ADDITION to the sentence
he handed out. But it would have been better if the judge had required that
each girl cut the other's hair! This is just yet another case of a parent
defending their brat child's behavior. Cry me a river.
Jail or Haircut? Hmm. Sounds like the Judge gave the kid a very good option.
I would have been in favor of shaving this kid's head. Good for the Judge.
Mommy sounds like one of those mothers who don't think that their kids do
any wrong. The Judge sounds like he was trying to keep the daughter from
experiencing the bad influence of more hardened juvenile offenders. Again,
kudos to the judge.
So many children these days seem to be incapable of empathy for their victims.
Maybe having their hair chopped and possibly being humiliated and made fun of
will help them understand the hurt they caused a very small child, all for
Question? Not saying these two girls shouldn't have been punished, but
where was the parent of this little 3-year old child? How is it that these
girls were able to befriend this 3-year old, leave to go purchase sissors and
return and cut her hair? My word someone could have kidnapped this little one
because obviously no one was keeping any eye on her whatsoever!
Something is wrong here, and it is not the judge's ruling. Had my daughter
done such a thing, she would have SHOWN UP to court with a bad hair cut...and
then done the community service. This judge's actions will have little
effect on the offender because her own mother is so intent on proving that the
judge was mean and not on rehabilitating her own child.
It would have served the teenage bully right if she had been given a boot-camp
haircut.All she lost was a ponytail.Her mother is a
Rifleman I was ready to disagree with your view until I read your 12:16 post. I
gained a little respect for you., I do believe the judge did us all a favor
with that punishment. Mom of the offender needs to be writing apologies and
thank you notes rather than embarrassing her self with a complaint against the
judge who is having to do her job. A little dissapline will do the girl some
good... on second thought, watching how mom reacts is giving us some insight in
to the girls behavior.
Well, yeah, this is "eye for an eye." Where did the judge get such
Rarely does a judge have such a great opportunity to teach justice. Good Job!
Seriously cutting off her hair involves zero physical abuse, in some countries
she would have been caned. The mom should quit being a cry baby be a mom and
maybe her kid wouldn't have to be raised by the judicial system.
What's she complaining about? She had a choice. She didn't have to
cut the hair and her daughter could have done the full 276 hours.
I think the judge was more than fair. I don't know why the mom is so
upset, it's hair! It grows back quickly.
Ms. Bruno instead of worrying about the judge maybe you should be accountable
and focus on making your daughter a better citizen. I say good for the judge
obviously the parents cannot discipline their child so the judge needed to make
a lasting impression on this youth.I have no sympathy for your daughter, you
reap what you sow.
Choosing to use such a sensationalist title for this story puts DesNews on
another new low. The judge did not "ORDER" the mother to cut off the
girl's ponytail. He gave her a choice as an option to other fines and/or
community service hours. It was perfectly reasonable due to all of the
What surprises me is that the 13 year old and her friend were determined to do
the deed...even asking McDonld's employees for scissors...They were not
thinking, "If we had scissors, I would cut that girl's hair." They
were thinking..."We NEED to get some scissors NOW." Huge
difference...Could be a determining factor of a future criminal case for
this young juvie...intent. There is no doubt this one has full intent on doing
what she did. Pre-meditated...methodically executed plans...hmmm, I see
behavioral patterns arising.I picture this Bruno character sitting in a
court room in a decade or so with her daughter in chains being tried for
something much MUCH worse...I'm sure it'll be everybody else's
fault then too.
I don't feel the least bit sad for the girl who the judge had her hair cut.
THis mother wants to create more drama by attacking the judge. Get over it Mom.
Take care of your daughter so that she doesn't do it again. Drop the drama
and using the media- makes you look worse.
Really, an Eye for an Eye is not a good way to teach a child right from
wrong....With parenting skills like that, No wonder the girl is in trouble with
the law and this wasn't her first time... And to the person who said judges
can not do this and should be in hot water, read the statue, it does give judges
in Utah the discretion to sentence kids outside of the norm... Maybe if more
judges would take the Eye for an Eye approach criminals would be deterred....
I knew a dad who had a son who was beginning to bite other children. The son
seemed to have no idea that his biting hurt the other children and there seemed
to be nothing the dad could do about it. Finally after the kid drew blood with
one of his young victims, the Dad took the little guy out back and bit him,
quite sharply, on the arm, not letting loose till he himself drew blood. The kid
screamed and cried but he got the message and didn't bite another child
that school year. During the kids 7th grade year, after he punched a smaller kid
in the face, the dad asked if the smaller child had been bloodied. The kid
admitted yes and the dad took the kid out back and punched him three times in
the face before drawing blood. The kid had to visit the hospital, but he got the
message. He didn't beat up on any more 7th graders. Now the kid is married
and having a bit of a problem with pushing his wife around. It's going to
be interesting to see how the dad handles this one.
I can't help but wonder where the 3-year-old's mother was the entire
time this was happening, and why she wasn't charged with neglect for
leaving her child unattended for so long. And to everyone who is outraged about
this: it's just hair, it WILL grow back! The punishment fit the crime. With
the teen's mother's attitude, it is questionable as to whether she
will learn anything from the experience.
Teens are all into their "looks". I think having her hair cut probably
hurt her more than more hours of community service. And I don't think it
should have been a choice. Sometimes I wonder if the service shouldn't be
to the victim's family though...taking their garbage to the curb, or
sorting for re-cycling, washing their car, raking up leaves, having to do
something "nice" for the little girl by way of apology. At first it
would be resented but maybe in the end she would get to know the family a little
and sincerely feel sorry for what she did. And shame on the mother who is
whining to the public. The girl already had been in trouble. It seems the mother
should have been glad to have a punishment that might actually make the daughter
regret what she had done.