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  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    June 13, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    If the wolverines are coming to Salt Lake in 2015 that gives Utah enough time to expand RES by rebuilding the south end zone and adding 11,000 seats as is the plan anyway. So let's get it done and those seats will be gone in a heart beat.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 13, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    The first of many marquee nonconference games on Utah's schedule.

    Boom.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    June 13, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Nice, there's not many cup cakes in the Big 10; or PAC 12 for that matter. Nice job Utah!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 13, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    hmmm, living in Ann Arbor and listing to local sports radio....it's a done deal. Although it's funny how Michigan is talking about it more than Utah.

    The "rumor" has been floating around A2 for over a year. The offical anouncement is sometime this week or next.

    The UofM is very selective when it extends home and homes - infact only 2 PAC12 teams in the past 15 years have recieved a home and home with UofM.

  • Just Wondering... Gilbert, AZ
    June 13, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    @ Tomahawk Red,

    "The first of many marquee nonconference games on Utah's schedule."

    Haha...what you said means two things:

    1. Since it is the "first" I guess that means no one outside of consequence, outside a required conference opponent, has ever played at RES. I would agree with you.
    2. Since the "first" won't happen for three more years, I guess that you can count on one possible visitor every four seasons or so? I would agree with that as well.

    This doesn't mean that there are programs just waiting to come and play is minuature 44k seat stadium...it just means that is was convenient for Michigan's scheduling needs.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 13, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    ..."it just means that is was convenient for Michigan's scheduling needs" - Just wondering

    Couple thoughts:

    1) Did Holmoe try to get a 1for1 with Michigan and got shot down? I would guess yes.
    2) Would Holmoe do just about anything to get Michigan on it's schedule even in September - the answer is yes.

    So Why did UofM pass on bYu and instead select (as poster say) a much smaller fanbase/stadium/program in Utah? Remember this has nothing to do with the PAC12/BIG10 agreement.

    Questions...so many questions.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 13, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Just Stumbling...

    Yeah pretty much.

    We don't need that many nonconference marquee games on the schedule since our conference gives us plenty of marquee conference opponents.

    Nice try though.

    PS- When was the last time the Kitties have had a marquee home nonconference foe? 1990? Sounda about right.

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Nothing brings me more joy. I hope the Utes keep getting teams like UM, because Utah is no UM. You need to beat Colorado before you hope to beat UM. I love it when Utah is 4-7, 5-6. However, the PAC10.2 does have dogs, Arizona, Wash St, OST, Colorado and UCLA most of the time. USC does have it easy. Ute fans actually think they are somebody. Not yet, win a Rose bowl first. Dont say BCS, your schedule was too easy to be respected outside SLC.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    What I love is that Utah thinks they can even beet MU. When we beat a very under rated MU it was for the indisputed National Title.
    They also couldn't even beet Colorado even thought it was a total fluke they beat us by 44.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Black Shirts- It's fun to dream ain't it? As if Utah was going "4-7, 5-6" with regularity. Haha. When was the last time Utah went 5-7? I guess you can't blame a guy for dreaming. Sounds kind of like sour grapes.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    BS's mood will be black after the y gets thrashed by Wazzou to open the season. Keep dreaming there BS, but I'm afraid your coach is going to get schooled by another alum.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 13, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    @Just Wondering...
    "it just means that is was convenient for Michigan's scheduling needs"

    --------

    Unlike Notre Dame, Notre Dame of the West (aka BYU) has 6 open slots in 2013, 7 in 2014, and 8 in 2015, wouldn't BYU be "more convenient" for MI scheduling needs?

    If we do land the MI game lets hope we play MI @RES in 2013 since our Pac-12 road games in 2013 are: @Arizona, @Oregon, @Stanford, @USC.

    NOT even a SEC team plays that kind of road schedule.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    June 13, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    @ Black Shirts

    "Nothing brings me more joy. I hope the Utes keep getting teams like UM, because Utah is no UM".

    and BYU is no Notre Dame!

    "You need to beat Colorado before you hope to beat UM".

    You need to beat Utah before you hope to join a big boy conference and play the likes of Michigan home and home, like Utah has done. Oh by the way, Utah beat Michigan in the Big House in 2008 on our way to a perfect season.

    "Ute fans actually think they are somebody. Not yet, win a Rose bowl first. Dont say BCS, your schedule was too easy to be respected outside SLC".

    So we need to win 3 BCS bowls now to become somebody? Utah is tied with Oregon for second in the Pac-12 with BCS bowl victories. USC is in first! If our schedule was so weak in 04' and 08' to be respected, what does that say about 1984 BYU's schedule? Utah is somebody because they were invited to join a big boy conference, in other words they were wanted! BYU feels entitled to everything in college football, but really are nothing more than mid-major nobodys.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 13, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    Dr. Chris Hill needs to give Holmoe a few tips on how to get 1for1's from elite programs. I guess an HD truck, billions of fans and a national brand known if ever corner of the galaxy just doesn't stack up to.......

    PAC12 member
    Two time BCS winner

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    Amid all of the self congradulaitons for this maybe series with mich, no elmer utah hasn't "play the likes of Michigan home and home, like Utah has done", I'd like to know when those games occured, I see no utah "fans" want to mention Athlon's 4-5 conference and 7-5 overall prediction for the ute's.

    Now I don't put any more stock in Athlon's predictions than I do anyone elses but it is interesting how little respect utah is getting from them. Especially when you consider utah still doesn't have to play Oregon or Stanford yet still can't seem to convince anyone they are any more than a sub .500 pac team.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    June 13, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Open with a win at the Big House, and close the season with a SUGAR BOWL vicory against one loss Alabama. Along the way knock off final BCS top 25 teams TCU, BYU and Oregon State. BYU doesn't have a season even remotely close to that. Not to mention Utah's 2004-5 season. It was like a Fiesta!

    Time to play the lottery...........hmmm.............I like number 5-4-1-0

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    June 13, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    @hedge

    I don't recall mentioning bYu in my post? I'm still waiting to have someone point out the long list of illustrious NON conference teams that have agreed to come and play in RES? If Michigan comes through, then great, they will be the first, but I doubt they will be the "first of many."

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    Ah, what would an article on Utah be without the comments of "duckhunter"? Rather than be obsessed with when Utah will play Oregon and Stanford (Don't panic. It will happen starting 2013), I think you should be more concerned about byu's trying to fill up a meaningful schedule, especially in November.

    Any comment, "duckhunter"?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 13, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    "Any comment, "duckhunter"?"

    Trolls like ducky and the others are really struggggling right about now. We've heard that the Utes could never get an elite 1for1 to come to the RES....and boom goes the dynamite.

    What drives the trolls crazy is the knowledge that without doubt Holmoe tried to get this game at LES. Michigan had the option of chosing bYu but instead selected the Utes....kinda like the PAC12.

    When oh when will the cougars catch a break.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    There should be something coming, Michigan or not, seeing as the Big10-Pac12 intend to make an annual matchup between the two conferences for each of the 12 teams in both of them.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    Duckhunter lamented that he "sees no utah "fans" want to mention Athlon's 4-5 conference and 7-5 overall prediction for the ute's."

    Its just a prediction -- bulletin board material that the Utes can use for motivation. But even if that prediction came true, I take great satisfaction in knowing that the Utes are doing better in the PAC 12 than BYU would have done. Clearly, the PAC 12 chose the right team.

  • T-Mac Corona, CA
    June 13, 2012 5:47 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Every Utah article torments you to the point that you have to comment on it.... even if the best argument you can muster is Athlon prediction smack. Give it up and face the fact that Utah will be adding a Big 10 element to their PAC 12 schedule.... it's no more complicated than that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    @gored

    What comment do you want? That even if this home and home with michiigan happens that it somehow means something? What does it mean? The fact is utah still doesn't have to play the two best teams in the pac12 this year and the prognosticators are still only thinking they'll win 4 pac games. What happens when they actually have to play the good teams?

    Scheduling a team like michigan is nice, BYU should know since we've seen Texas, Penn St, Notre Dame, Miami, USC, Florida St, and many others come through LES, but I hardly see why it is some kind of in your face to BYU or its fans considering BYU has had plenty of those types of teams come to town for a long time. Congrats I guess, you guys might have gotten one? I wouldn't celebrate to much until the ink is dry since these things have a way of not happening sometimes but if it comes about it will be a nice game for the fans right up until utah more than likely loses and they all go home disappointed.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 14, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    The Y really is getting some nice opponents lined. Some nice 2 for 1s. Huh... Mid Major much?

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 14, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    @ducky

    Now to respond to your last comment.

    1: Since when was Stanford predicted to be one of the two best teams in the 2012 season? You're one year off. Luck has graduated, moved on. National sports writers, including Ted Miller of ESPN, has the top 3 teams in the PAC 12 in this order: USC, Oregon, and Utah.

    2: You say "What happens when they have to play good teams? So, you don't consider USC, a preseason top 3 team, to be "good". What about with Washington? But, by your own admission, other teams such as byu are not considered a "good team"? Humorous.

    3: I've looked at byu's schedule this year, and I don't see any Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, or USC. Stay relevant with your argument. For that matter, Utah can boast the same, having played USC, Alabama, Michigan, Pitt, Oregon, etc. in the past.

    4: You're always ending with a "prediction" for a Utah loss. How did that work out for you with the Utah-Alabama game? Or the Utah-Georgia Tech bowl game last year?

    Or last year's Utah-byu game?

    Your turn.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 14, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Your starting to sound like one of these other cougar fans. The fact that 10-15 years ago the y could get those bigs teams to come in. It's all over for you now, there is no reason for a top 25 program come in to Provo and possibly loose to the y. This is where your independence kills you, pay days are not that big a deal to those big programs. You guys are pay to play from now on, Idaho will always take that $250 grand where a school like Michigan doesn't really need it. The main reason why the U will start getting days like this with Michigan is that we are in the PAC-12 and in an ellite conference, with ellite schools that matter. You had your ride and it was brilliant but as of now it's over.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 14, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Since 2002, Michigan has played an OOC game in exactly TWO opposing stadiums; Oregon and Notre Dame.

    Add Utah to that list.

    Utah goes legit home/home with Michigan, BYU gets Georgia Tech. Just the direction these programs are headed.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 14, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    @Ducky

    Be patient Utah is the only PAC-12 team playing with mid-major talent.

    It takes time to build PAC-12 depth. For example, we just had our best recruiting class, top 30. Last year we had a D2 QB go 6-3 now that QB is 4th string. Chill-out and enjoy Utah play some real football on the PAC-12 Network.

    Go UTES!!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Let's relive the past for a moment can we? Utah holds the overall wins vs.losses. From 1979 to 2000 or so, BYU simply had the better program. BYU was able to bring in big teams to Provo on a consistent basis because they were good and had a big stadium. Everything good about BYU happened in the past. 1984, string of great qb's, Heisman, Outland. It all happened in that period of of 22 years. Outside of the time, BYU has been pathetic to OK. Their program currently is simply OK. Those big teams are not coming to Provo as often and usually it is a 2 for 1 as Utah and 80% of the programs had to do. Utah no longer has to put up with a 2 for 1. It's has to do with being in the big conference.

    One program continues to rise and the other is currently stagnant. It will continue until BYU is in a big conference. Until then, take your medicine.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 14, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah is the only PAC-12 team playing with mid-major talent."

    And not much is going to change.

    The Utes have had two full recruiting classes since they were invited to join the PAC 12 two years ago, but after all of the chest-beating about being one of the big boys, reality is starting to settle in on the hill; the Utes are still going to lose most of the recruiting battles to their PAC 12 opponents.

    Predictions for 2012
    North
    Ore 8-1, 11-2
    Stan 6-3, 8-4
    Wash 6-3, 8-4
    Cal 5-4, 7-5
    WSU 3-6, 6-6
    OSU 2-7, 3-9

    South
    USC 9-0, 13-0
    Utah 4-5, 7-5
    UCLA 4-5, 6-6
    Ariz 4-5, 6-6
    ASU 3-6, 5-7
    Col 0-9, 3-9

    Utah blew its only decent chance to win the PAC 12 South last season, and now, as most non-crimson-glasses-wearing fans predicted, Utah is settling into its middle-of-the-PAC role.

    Just imagine, though, the season-long buildup to that exciting "rivalry" game in November -- Utah 6-5 at Colorado 3-8.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 14, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    When that shiny PAC 12 newness loses its shine, will Utah fans remain excited about a perennial conference bottom dweller?

    How long can the Utes finish 7-6, 4-5 in conference, before RES starts to look like the HC, a vast sea of empty red chairs.

    It happened in basketball; it can easily happen in football.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    B C, kitten fans like you can always dream. Too bad for you and your dreams of your band of questers turns in to a nightmare where your team isn't wanted by any of the big boy conferences (Big Least doesn't count). Keep striving though against the dregs of the WAC while the BCS schools (i.e. Utah) lay a beating on your over matched mid major team (i.e. 54-10 until Whit called them off could have been 70 plus to 10). The truth is a wonderful thing.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 14, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    KamUte

    What you conveniently left out of your little diatribe is that BYU accomplished FAR MORE in 12 short years, from 1979 to 1991, than Utah has accomplished in its entire football history.

    U still haven't had a single national individual award winner.

    BYU even managed to produce a national individual award winner during a rather "quiet" decade for BYU; something Utah was unable to do in its best decade ever.

    BYU's 2000's "decline" still produced more Top 25 Finishes than Utah.

    And, during the Bronco/Kyle era,

    Bronco has FIVE Top 25 Finishes
    Kyle only THREE

    Bronco has THREE Top 15 Finishes
    Kyle only ONE

    Bronco has TWO conference championships
    Kyle only ONE

    Bronco is 66-24 with ZERO losses to 10-loss teams
    Kyle is 65-25 with TWO losses to 10-loss teams

    The declining-BYU, rising-Utah myth, is just that, a myth with no factual basis, simply the wishful thinking of the kids on the hill.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 14, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    "I take great satisfaction in knowing that the Utes are doing better in the PAC 12 than BYU would have done."

    U guys are pretty desperate these days for any kind of 'satisfaction'. Amazing that you feel so good about 4-5 and losing to Colorado. Nothing wrong with optimism but let's face the truth, you have one stellar program, gymnastics. Football, an occassional break out year and it won't be this year, or the next.

    I take great satisfaction in knowing that BYU is doing much better than the prognosticators said they would. Having a Top 25 football program, an NCAA Tourney appearance, a Rugby NC, Volleyball, Soccer, Track and so forth... ain't too shabby for a real sports program.

    Enjoy mediocrity as a whole.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 14, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    pebbles

    Being invited to be a punching bag for the big boys of the PAC 12 to pad their conference records doesn't prove anything.

    Regardless of your status as an Independent or your membership in a "power" conference, the mark of excellence is, and always will be, final national rankings.

    How many Top 25 rankings do you think your mighty weak Utes are going to pile up with 4-5 losing conference records?

    The truth is Utah was simply lucky to enjoy one of those everything-went-right-for-Utah and everything-went-wrong-for-BYU games.

    BYU finishing the season 8-1, with its only loss on the road to TCU, and ranked in the Top 25

    and

    Utah finishing the season 6-4, with losses to Washington(7-6), Arizona State(6-7), California(7-6), and Colorado(3-10), and UNRANKED

    is proof that BYU was much better than 10-54

    and Utah was even close to as good as 54-10.

    BYU fans would have welcomed a November rematch, especially after seeing the pathetic team the Utes put on the field against their new "rival".

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 14, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Couple of comments and this isn't about red vs. blue.
    First if you look at the Athlon projects at 4-5 in conference but 7-5 overall that means they are projected to win all three out of conference games.
    Second, your later posts uses the word prognosticators. The 's' on the end indicates plural and yet there is no other prediction for a 4-5 finish. This is one source and even you question their accuracy.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 14, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    CO Ute

    "if you look at the Athlon projects at 4-5 in conference but 7-5 overall that means they are projected to win all three out of conference games"

    Your arguement reveals more about you than you realize.

    Bottom line, it once again proves that, despite their claims of BYU irrelevancy, Utah fans are far more focused on beating BYU, than they are with having a winning conference record.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 14, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    @duckhunter (AKA sammy, bluto, and now B C and Uteanymous)

    First off, why bother with all the different pseudonyms? It is very apparent that you are all one and the same. The bottom line is, you are on an article about the Utes. Your attempt at trash talk is lame and ineffective. The Utes have moved on to a prestigious conference, something your team can only dream about doing. And the only thing that has any relevance to you is head-to-head competition.

    It stands thus: Utah 3 out of the last 4 over BYU.
    Utah 7 out of the last 10 over BYU.
    Utah 55-34-4 all-time over BYU.
    And most recently, Utah 54 BYU 10.

    Take a look at your own short end of the rivalry before trying to dish out smack.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    June 14, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    @ Black Shirts 12:59 p.m. June 13, 2012

    Did you not pay attention to the lead photo accompanying the article?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 14, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    @ B C 5:45 p.m. June 14, 2012

    "It happened in basketball; it can easily happen in football. It happened in basketball; it can easily happen in football."

    I recall the BYU hoops program was in the dumps a few seasons prior to Jimmer.

    Takeaway, the Lavell era and then look at the head-to-head in pigskin before trying to be clever... and not succeeding IMO.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 14, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    gored

    Hate to burst your bubble but Ducky and I are two different guys. Though I take it as compliment to be confused with Duck, I'm just the little guy. I have my moments but Duck is here for your tormented pleasure.

    I'd suggest you get with Naval Vet, motorbike, hedgehog and pebbles and hone those deductive reasoning skills a little by playing some Clue. Your conspiracy theory is a little off.

    Glad you shared it though. If it bugs you enough to post then its validation that 'we're winning'. LOL

    Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with a Candlestick

    By the way how does if feel to lose to BYU in overall athletic competition? Though many of you would dismiss the Deseret Duel, it obviously is showing an alarming downward trend in overall quality athletics in Uteville.

    It sure is easy to throw every Ute athlete under the bus if they do not play football. (and maybe gymnastics?)

    Maybe I am wrong... but I seriously doubt. I predicted mediocrity for the Utes last year... I think I'm sticking with it this year.

    If Michigan comes they will annihilate the Utes. I'll enjoy the game.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    sammyg exclaimed "I take great satisfaction in knowing that BYU is doing much better than the prognosticators said they would."

    Excellent. I'll mark you down as one of the fans that is excited about independence. There should be more like you!

    Those that yearn for conference affiliation make fun of Utah and their first year challenges while secretly realizing that would have been BYU's fate too. Those that wonder how BYU would do in the Big 12 know that they'd fare no better than TCU this year. Those that wonder if BYU was right to reject the Big East will keep an eye on Boise State (if they actually join). True, those schools each broke the BCS barrier twice, but BYU was somewhat close, so its a good comparison.

    Independence is definitely the route for BYU. They can craft a season against a handful of BCS schools (but not too many!!), deliver 10-2 or 9-3 seasons, and hopefully end up in the AP top 25 at the end of each year (the poll not associated with the BCS). Glad that you're on board.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 14, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    gored

    Yes, the Utes have moved on to being a punching bag for a prestigious conference - average finish across the board in all Utah men's sports, 2nd to LAST; 8th in the conference and unranked in football, as usual.

    Whatever made U think the Utes would be competitive, let alone championship contenders, in the PAC 12, when the Utes have only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years?

    Your perfect storm seasons of 2004 and 2008 are history, and the Utes are now back to losing to conference bottom-dwellers like NM, CSU, Wyo, and UNLV, only now it'll be Colorado, WSU, Arizona and OSU.

    ------------

    wall-e

    Take away the entire LaVell era, and the Cougars still have more national individual award winners and just as many Top 25 Finishes (both polls), as the Utes have in their entire history.

    "I recall the BYU hoops program was in the dumps a few seasons prior to Jimmer"

    I'm not sure what you "recall", but BYU's basketball program has had exactly ONE losing season, THIS CENTURY, versus eleven 20-win seasons and nine NCAA tournaments.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 14, 2012 11:09 p.m.

    @gored

    "3: I've looked at byu's schedule this year, and I don't see any Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, or USC. Stay relevant with your argument. For that matter, Utah can boast the same, having played USC, Alabama, Michigan, Pitt, Oregon, etc. in the past."

    None of those schools has ever set foot in res, I'm talking about home games. You knew that, you were just trying to distort it to make a non point. Plenty of bad teams have played those teams just like u have, on the road, at their place. All of the teams I mentioned have played at LES, I know, I went to those games. Gonna go see GT, Texas and ND over the next few years as well since they'll all be at LES. I'm sure there will be others as well as the schedules get finalized.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 14, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    Utah's first year struggles were against the weakest division of any major conference.

    Utah played 5 of 9 games at home, got a free pass on the two best teams in the conference, didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record, yet, with USC ineligible and a gift-wrapped division there for the taking, U couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the country, at home, to win the division.

    BYU wouldn't have lost to lowly 10-loss Colorado, yet wunderkind Whit has managed to lose to 10-loss teams twice in his brief 7-year stint as Utah's HC.

    Don't forget, your QB struggles were self-inflicted; caused by K-Whit coverting all of his QB recruits to other positions and leaving his QB cupboard bare.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 15, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    phoenix
    Gilbert, AZ

    BYU wouldn't have lost to lowly 10-loss Colorado"

    -------------

    Yet you lost by 44 points on your own field to the team that lost to Colorado.

    THAT's bad son. Forget Big XII. You people should be hoping for a Sun Belt invite.

    Boom.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 15, 2012 6:45 a.m.

    hedgy

    "We've heard that the Utes could never get an elite 1for1 to come to the RES"

    Nothing had changed - the ONLY reason teams like USC and Michigan would even consider coming to RES is because the PAC 12 / Big Ten are arranging it for U. Michigan is simply picking from a list of teams mandated by the Big Ten.

    Elite teams like Miami, Florida State, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, and USC have been visiting LES for decades and every single game was arranged by BYU independent of any conference help.

    Call us when Utah schedules its first elite team to come to RES without any help from your conference.

    BYU = independent and relevant
    Utah = dependent and irrelevant

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    phoenix claims "BYU wouldn't have lost to lowly 10-loss Colorado"
    I understand your answer because your perspective is "after scrimmaging San Jose State, Idaho, and Idaho State, BYU would be well rested for their game with Colorado."

    But the scenario was "how would BYU have done in the PAC 12". Utah and BYU were fresh out of the MWC where there is a sharp drop off between the starters and backups. Quarterback was the notable injury for Utah, but there were others -- just as BYU would have suffered injuries too.

    You consider the PAC12 a weak major conference, but the players are still bigger, stronger, faster than what the MWC has. You may doubt that because "Um, this one time we beat... " Sure. You beat a team one time, but not after playing 8 teams just like them. It takes a toll. It makes a difference. 4-5 is a good guess for how BYU would have done.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 15, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Rockwell

    WHAT!!!!

    The reason that these other teams are considering coming to Utah is that we are in an elite conference that plays elite teams. The y has had it's day and I will say it again a very impressive one but until you guys get into a conference with big, fast, stronger players you will not understand the difference. It is so much fun to watch, and I could care less what you cougar fans think there is a great big difference in playing Colorado and playing Idaho. BYU would have lost to Colorado, no question. Until you play and see the better players you will never know, never.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    @Uteanymous

    Noting is going to change? Really? Again in Season II we now have PAC-12 depth at QB and RB, something we lacked last year (see Ted Miller comment below).

    In Season II, Utah's 6 toughest games we should be favorites to win 4: @USU, @ASU, CAL, @UCLA. In the other two games, USC and @WU, we'll be the underdogs but I still think we'll be able to compete in those games.

    Is #3 a "middle-of-the-PAC role"? Again like someone already pointed out Ted Miller of ESPN has his own predictions and he has Utah at #3 in the PAC-12:

    1. USC

    2. Oregon

    3. Utah
    The Utes welcome back 18 starters, though replacing both offensive tackles will be a huge task this spring. The defense has a chance to be beastly. The key? Utah proved it can win eight games with poor-to-middling quarterback play. But does a healthy Jordan Wynn -- back to late 2009, early 2010 form -- mean 10 wins?

    Go UTES!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    @Rockwell

    Call us when Utah schedules its first elite team to come to RES without any help from your conference.

    ---------

    Utah had Texas @RES "scheduled" for 2008 but Urban Meyer canceled the home-and-home series. Correct me if I am wrong but BYU has 2-for-1 with Texas.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 15, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "You consider the PAC12 a weak major conference..."

    NO!

    We consider the 2011 PAC 12 South to be the weakest division of any major conference, and BYU would have handled Colorado at home, just as easily as they handled Oregon State on the road.

    BYU has been playing these supposedly bigger, faster, more athletic PAC 12 teams for years, and here are some recent examples of how BYU has handled those opponents:

    BYU 59 UCLA 0
    BYU 38 Oregon 8
    BYU 44 OSU 20
    BYU 38 OSU 28
    BYU 23 Wash 17

    Utah was simply a 7-turnover plagued anomaly; one of those games where everything went right for Utah.

    BYU would have beaten Washington, ASU, and Colorado at home, something U couldn't do, as well as UCLA, Arizona, WSU, and OSU. BYU would have had a decent chance of beating Cal, with losses to Utah and probably USC, to finish, at worst, 6-3 in conference.

    Bottom line:

    Bronco wins conference games and seldom loses to bad teams.

    Kyle is capable of losing to anybody, especially conference opponents.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark

    We consider the 2011 PAC 12 South to be the weakest division of any major conference, and BYU would have handled Colorado at home, just as easily as they handled Oregon State on the road.

    ----------

    1. 2011 winning percentages show that the "weakest division of any major conference" was the ACC Atlantic. Thanks for playing.

    2. You mean like how you handled 2-10 Ole Miss 14-13? The OSU game was 21-24 in the 4th, you did NOT "easily" handle OSU.

  • Juggy SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 15, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    OK BYU people. Your team lost to Utah by 44 points! 44 points, 7+ touchdowns! No excuses, no ifs, ands, buts... the scoreboard still says 54-10, that's it - the bottom line. When you lose to a team by 44 points you lose all ability to talk smack with them or their fans.

    Go talk about your history, your awards, your relavency to Southwest New Mexico State Tech or whatever school your team beat by 7+ touchdowns sometime last November. If they start talking back at you about how amazing they are compared to you just a few months after you thrashed them, then you will see how rediculous you sound to Utah fans (and probably to a lot of your own fans).

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 15, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Ok Ducky. I'll bite this time.

    "For that matter, Utah can boast the same, having played USC, Alabama, Michigan, Pitt, Oregon, etc. in the past."

    "None of those schools has ever set foot in res, I'm talking about home games."

    I know you read every article about Utah, because you comment on them all. So did you did you forget tht Oregon came to RES in 2003? Did you forget that Pitt came to Utah in 2010? Or are you being deceitful? Come on now son.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 15, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    Ducky-

    "Gonna go see GT, Texas and ND." Those are some pretty sweet TWO FOR ONES you got there mid major.

    Rockwell- "Michigan is simply picking from a list of teams mandated by the Big Ten." That deal doesn't start until 2017. They aren't mandated to play the U before that. Nice try.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 15, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Uteology

    In case you missed the memo, Ole Miss is in the SEC.

    Besides that early season meltdown against the #39 Utes (Sagarin Rating), the only games #35 BYU lost were at #17 Texas and at #20 TCU.

    #38 Cal, #41 ASU, #44 Wash, #64 Ariz, #66 UCLA, #83 WSU, #87 OSU, and #107 Colo, were all ranked BELOW the #35 Tulsa team BYU beat in the Armed Forces Bowl.

    And let’s not forget, Riley Nelson led the Cougars to that dramatic win over the Aggies and became BYU’s starting QB two games after the Utah debacle.

    Yes, BYU finishing 6-3 in conference and winning the PAC 12 South with Utah’s schedule is a very reasonable prediction.

    Even Utah, with the way Utah was playing in November, would have been a very likely win for BYU, assuming BYU and Utah played during PAC 12 rivalry week.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 15, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    Uteology

    "weakest division of any major conference was the ACC Atlantic"

    Factor out ineligible USC and recalculate:

    PAC 12 South
    #39 Utah(8-5)
    #41 ASU(6-7)
    #64 Ariz(4-8)
    #66 UCLA(6-8)
    #107 Colo(3-10)
    Average ranking #63,

    Of the 5 eligible PAC 12 South teams, ONLY Utah finished with a winning record

    ACC Atlantic
    #23 Florida St(9-4)
    #32 Clemson(10-4)
    #37 NC State(8-5)
    #73 Wake Forest(6-7)
    #90 Boston Col(4-8)
    #104 Maryland(2-10)
    Average ranking #60,

    Half the teams in the ACC Atlantic were ranked HIGHER than Utah, and four of the six finished with winning records

    Oh, and one other small detail

    Clemson #22/#22
    Florida St #23/#23

    in the final AP/Coaches Polls

    Thanks for playing.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 15, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    Snack PAC-

    "BYU finishing 6-3 in conference and winning the PAC 12 South with Utah’s schedule is a very reasonable prediction." That is an extremely reasonable prediction. If you're wearing blue goggles. Just remember your cougars played New Mexico State sagarin 133, Idaho sagarin 141, AND Idaho State sagarin 205! Those are like scrimmages. Those are easier than BYEs. Happy day in Provo! SInging primary songs and watching the mighty cougars beat up on the sweet sisters of the poor. Let the chest thumping begin.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    June 15, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    @ Juggy,

    You are spot on Guy:

    The article discusses Utah probably scheuling Michigan in the near future. What a great match up. However, it seems that some have gotten off on a tangent, and for whatever the reason, brougt BYU into the discussion. You can spin it any way you want. Bring up obscure stats and facts. But the bottom line is that Utah absolutely waxed BYU, on their home field, the last time they played. 54-10 is the statistic that matters most, everthing else is just drivel, Thank You for playing;........Check Mate!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 15, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Magna

    "Just remember your Cougars played New Mexico State sagarin 133, Idaho sagarin 141, AND Idaho State sagarin 205!"

    Sorry, but there's absolutely ZERO correlation between who BYU played and who BYU could have beaten if they had played.

    Nobody said that BYU beating NM St, Idaho, and Idaho St proved that BYU could have won the PAC 12 South, but BYU beating a bowl opponent that was ranked higher than 8 of Utah's 9 PAC 12 opponents, does show that BYU winning the PAC 12 South is not an unreasonable prediction.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    @Snack: Factor out ineligible USC and recalculate:

    ---------

    Umm, what???

    If you factor out USC then shouldn't you be factoring out the loses in the division?

    For example, Utah went 8-5 with USC lose factored in. Now if you factor USC out then Utah goes 8-4. Same for the other teams in the division. Also, Sagarin did NOT factor out the USC loses in its rankings only you did to make a bogus claim.

    You welcome!

    BYU would have gone 3-6 at best playing Utah's PAC-12 schedule, and here's why:

    The current talent at BYU, over the last 2 years, is 4-8 vs. teams with winning records:

    Utah State (7-6) 27-24, Tulsa (8-5) 24-21, Washington (7-6) 23-17, San Diego State (9-4) 24-21

    Your 5 best wins have an average margin of 4.5 points at HOME.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU would have gone 3-6 at best playing Utah's PAC-12 schedule, and here's why:

    The current talent at BYU, over the last 2 years, is 4-8 vs. teams with winning records:"

    Your myopic analysis is hillarious.

    Utah didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record and the Utes LOST to TWO PAC 12 teams with LOSING records.

    Simply beating all of the PAC 12 teams with LOSING records that Utah played would have given BYU SIX wins.

    Even with LOSSES (not loses) to Utah, California and USC, BYU still would have finished 6-3, easily winning the PAC 12 South, even with that September meltdown against the Utes.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 15, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    "Nothing had changed - the ONLY reason teams like USC and Michigan would even consider coming to RES is because the PAC 12 / Big Ten are arranging it for U. Michigan is simply picking from a list of teams mandated by the Big Ten." Rockwell

    hmmmm, the PAC12/Big10 agrement doesn't start until 2017...four years LATER than when this game of the 1for1 begins.

    The real question is Y not the Y? As we know holmoe is strrruuugling to capture an elite 1for1. Y do you think Michigan pushed aside the holmoe to get to Dr. Chris Hill?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 15, 2012 7:28 p.m.

    Booooooom! Great news for Utah's flagship university. The U is the real deal........glad I went to that great school.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 15, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Just like USC, Michigan will be another guaranteed loss for the Utes.

    Can't wait to see Utah trying to beat USC, Oregon, Stanford, AND Michigan, along with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and UCLA, all in the same season.

    The Utes are biting off far more than they can chew and 4-8 seasons are going to become common-place on the hill.

    At least they'll be a well-paid punching bag.

    Fortunately, Utah will still have a perennial Top 25 team to represent the state - BYU, THE University of Utah.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 15, 2012 8:23 p.m.

    Anti BCS - you don't see the forest for the trees! Other posters(Ducky included) talk about how little Athlon thinks about the Utes projecting them at 4-5 in conference. The point of my post is that Athlon must think even less about the Utes non conference opponents because they have Utah winning all three games to finish at 7-5. If the prediction shows that Utah is not very good, what does that say about the teams they are projected to beat?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 15, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    @snack PAC - Really? You compare two conference divisions but randomly factor out USC because they were on probation. Sorry but it doesn't work that way. Probation means they can't go to bowl games and aren't ranked in some polls but you don't arbitrarily factor them out to do a comparison unless you are trying to distort the real picture. Add USC into the comparison and the PAC 12 South becomes stronger the the ACC Atlantic but to use your quote "thanks for playing'.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 15, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    "Can't wait to see Utah trying to beat USC, Oregon, Stanford, AND Michigan, along with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and UCLA, all in the same season." Y's little brother

    And you ask Y Dr. Chris Hill wants to kick the cougars to the curb?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 15, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    @mlh

    Good grief. We all watch tv buddy, every week we watch college football. We've all seen plenty of pac10, big 12, acc, and other teams play weak after weak and year after year. Of course we've all seen BYU play these teams pretty much every season for decades as well. Just because utah has played one season in the weakest part of the pac12 you haven't all suddenly gained some super understanding and insight into the quality of players the rest of us don't have.

    That might have been the most condesending, while alternately clueless, comment in the history of these boards.

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 15, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    @uteology

    Ok I will "correct" you because you are "wrong".

    BYU previously had a one and done scheduled with Texas. They then later sceduled a 1 for 1 with Texas that is seperated from the 1 and done by 2 years.

    So by your logic utah previously had a 1 and done with michigan. Now that they MIGHT have scheduled a 1 for 1 with them after a multi season break we can all consider it a 2 for 1 in michigans favor since they will have played 3 games, 2 in michigan and 1 in utah, over multiple seasons.

    See how that sort of tortured "logic" works? Only from a utah "fan" would we get that.

    LOL!

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 15, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    CO Ute

    "you don't arbitrarily factor them [USC] out to do a comparison unless you are trying to distort the real picture"

    Nothing arbitrary about it; you can factor USC out of the picture, because the Trojans were ineligible, and therefore, not a team that Utah had to finish ahead of in order to win the division.

    The only teams Utah had to finish ahead to win the PAC 12 South were four LOSING teams

    #66 UCLA (5-4, 6-8)
    #41 ASU (4-5, 6-7)
    #107 Colo (2-7, 3-10)
    #64 Ariz (2-7, 4-8)

    and U lost to two of them, both AT HOME, including lowly 10-loss Colorado.

    As far as the competition that Utah had to beat to win the division goes, the PAC 12 South was by far the weakest division of any major conference.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 15, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    Sorry hedgehog you can't have it both ways.

    Either BYU is a pushover, an easy win, in which case, Utah has absolutely no reason for not continuing to schedule BYU.

    Or BYU is just as formidable as all but the top two or three teams in the PAC 12, and therefore, too much for the Utes to handle, despite all of the arrogant chest-beating of the kids on the hill.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 16, 2012 1:45 a.m.

    Y's little brother..this is silly... The only way to truly compare byu to utah is by head to head match ups In the last decade Utah has beat BYU 7 out of 10 games and humiliated them to no end their last meeting... So you come up with all this other crazy stuff that means nothing to anyone but you... But the stats don't lie 7 out of 10 - last 10 years &
    & BYU loss in 2011 54 - 10 Go ahead and twist things however you want.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 16, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Sorry Jenny,

    The only way to truly compare BYU to Utah is overall accomplishments during each season over the last decade.

    NOBODY believes that Colorado was better than Utah last season, simply because Colorado won the head-to-head matchup.

    NOBODY believes that UNLV was better than Utah in 2007, simply because UNLV destroyed Utah head-to-head 0-27.

    and,

    only crimson-colored-glasses-wearing fans and BYU haters belief that 8-5, unranked Utah with losses to TWO teams with losing records and a near loss to 4-8 WSU was better than 10-3, 25th and 26th ranked BYU simply because the Cougars had an early season meltdown against the Utes.

    One game does not a season make; seasons are judged on overall performance.

    Final Top 25 Rankings this century
    BYU 6
    Utah 5

    Final Top 25 Rankings during the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Final Top 15 Rankings during the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    You can twist things however you like, but the final rankings are the final word.

    No crazy stuff, just FACTS.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 16, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    "Or BYU is just as formidable as all but the top two or three teams in the PAC 12, and therefore, too much for the Utes to handle, despite all of the arrogant chest-beating of the kids on the hill" little brother

    I beleive most Ute fans view the Y games as a no win situation. The polls don't look favorable to losing to a non BCS team....and beating a non BCS is expected.

    Another factor is currently the Utes are the biggest game on the Y's schedule....it's you're bowl game.

    Why should utah waste emotion on this game? Why risk injury from planned cheap shots? Again, a no win situation.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    CO Ute says "The point of my post is that Athlon must think even less about the Utes non conference opponents ".
    That's reflected in Athlon's pre-season rankings where the "terrible" Utes are ranked 33rd and the Cougars are ranked 39th.

    Athlon's marketing gimmick is their magazine with a custom cover. Look! There's a cover with Utah Ute John White! Let's see what the Cougar fans can buy. Oh. They can only buy the generic "Oregon/USC/Notre Dame" cover.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 16, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    @Uteanymous

    Again, I said Utah had lack of PAC-12 (BCS talent) for the weekly grind of BCS football. I don't expect you to understand this concept but this is the same point ESPN noted for Season I, do some research.

    In September not only did BYU get dragged to the woodshed by Utah but you struggled at HOME against:

    9/23 vs. Central Florida (5-7) W 24-17
    9/30 vs. Utah State (7-6) W 27-24
    10/8 vs. San Jose State (5-7) W29-16

    That's NOT BCS talent, yet you struggled? FYI Utah had no problem beating mid-major BYU and D2 MS... actually MS put up more of a fight. We struggled in PAC-12 play, you struggled against WAC and CUSA teams... MAJOR difference.

    FYI ASU was playing great ball when they beat Utah, even beat #5 USC 43-22, in September so I seriously doubt BYU would have beat ASU since you clearly struggled against mid-major teams. So I would say 3-6 sounds about right 4-5 if you got lucky.

    Again, this is all hypothetical. What isn't hypothetical is that fact that BYU went 2-3 vs. BCS quality teams (including TCU).

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 16, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    hedgy

    "The polls don't look favorable to losing to a non BCS team....and beating a non BCS is expected."

    Your BCS snobbery is laughable - the polls couldn't care less whether a team is Independent or in a power conference, the ONLY thing that matters is whether they're a good team or not.

    Independent BYU - RANKED
    Power Conference Utah - UNRANKED

    is proof of that.

    Of course your justification for dropping BYU from the schedule falls completely apart when you're looking to replace BYU with Northern Colorado - that's certainly going to impress the pollsters.

    ---------------------

    SoonerUte

    Pre-season polls are a dime a dozen; the only polls that matter are the final polls.

    It's hillarious that Utah fans get all pumped up about pre-season polls that rank Utah higher, but totally dismiss final polls that rank BYU higher.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 16, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    "Of course your justification for dropping BYU from the schedule falls completely apart when you're looking to replace BYU with Northern Colorado - that's certainly going to impress the pollsters" Sportsfan

    Let me try to explain this another way. the bYu game is exactly NOT the type of game Utah needs on their schedule. There are only 3 positive OC games that make sense

    1) A sure win ( hey, I giving the Y some credit here. A rivalry game is never a sure thing.
    2) An elite team (i.e Michigan). A win will create national buzz, a close lose would still be viewed as a positive in regards to media and recruiting.
    3) A team from TX or CA. Again, all in the name of recruiting.

    Currently, bYu holds no value to Utah. Infact, it only holds negatives.

    1)A non BCS team with a huge chip on their shoulder. having lost 54-10 and 7 of the last 10
    2) A team that will view this game as their national championship game
    3) Little to no recognition by the polls/media by beating bYu

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 16, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    In conclusion, what you are saying is that...

    A) BYU cannot beat Utah on the field (7 of last 10, including 3 spankings)

    B) BYU can beat Utah in the polls by beating enough Bo Diddly Techs (BYU has 2 wins over final ranked teams since 1996 and a losing record vs BCS teams)

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 16, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    hedgey

    For a team with a huge chip on their shoulder that thinks of this game as their national championship and provides little to no recognition in the polls...

    see mirrror

    How many times has BYU lost to Utah, yet still finished in the Top 25?

    conversely

    How many time has Utah lost to BYU, yet still managed to finish in the Top 25?

    BYU doesn't need a win over Utah to have a great season.

    Utah fans desperately cling to their 2011 win over BYU as the ONLY highlight of their first year in a big boy conference.

    Pathetic!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 16, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Uteology

    The 7-of-the-last-10 is an aberration; 3 of Utah's 7 wins came during the Crowton era.

    Bronco is 3-4 versus Kyle and has held the lead or been tied with Kyle for most of the past 7 years.

    The biggest difference between Bronco and Kyle, is Bronco doesn't LOSE to Bo Diddly Techs like CSU, Wyo, NM, UNLV, and Colorad, while Kyle loses to them regularly.

    Who you don't lose to is just as important as who you beat. BYU figured that out decades ago.

    Someday, maybe, Utah will figure that out.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 16, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    @uteology

    I see you have no response to utah's 1 for 2 with michigan?

    LOL!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    SportsFan lectured "Pre-season polls are a dime a dozen; the only polls that matter are the final polls."

    I very much agree with you SportsFan, but this Athlon thingy seemed quite important to a Cougar fan named "Duckhunter".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 16, 2012 11:57 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    On what planet do you spend most of your time?

    My bad, I was wrong on the BYU-Texas series, it seems they did schedule a home-home series. I didn't know the 2011 game was one-for.

    However, my original post was to Rockwell who asked:

    "Call us when Utah schedules its first elite team to come to RES without any help from your conference."

    And I said that that it was done already, Utah had scheduled Texas home-home series in 2008 that was canceled.

    @antiBCS

    Kyle lost to UNLV (2-10) in 2007 and then lost to Colorado in 2011 (3-9). That's what BYU fans define regularly?

    Bronco of the same period lost to Utah State (4-8) 2009.

    The difference...

    Kyle accomplished Broncos Quest by beating more than just Bo Diddly Techs.
    Kyle has a better winning percentage vs BCS teams

    A) 7 of 10 is a trend.

    B) 2 smack downs of Bronco's team in 4 years suggests a trend.

    C) NFL not drafting Bronco's talent also seems like a trend... you can only get so far with Walk-ons!

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    Ernest T --- It is never a fluke if your football team loses by 44 -- and especially when you get beat that bad at home!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 17, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    @soonerute

    Not "important", just comical.

    @uteology

    "It was cancelled". Why? Perhaps Texas expects a little more in revenue when it goes on the road?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 17, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Uteology

    Your use of selective time periods is laughable.

    The ONLY applicable "trends" are the overall accomplishments of the current head coaches.

    Bronco/Kyle Era (2005 to present)

    Bronco is UNDEFEATED against conference bottom-dwellers NM, CSU, Wyo, and NM
    Kyle lost to all of them at least once and to NM TWICE, and he's continued the "trend" in the PAC 12, losing to Colorado and barely beating WSU

    Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team
    Kyle has lost to TWO of them (as many as BYU has lost to in BYU's ENTIRE history)

    Bronco has only lost to THREE teams that didn't finish with winning records
    Kyle has lost to SEVEN teams that didn't finish with winning records

    Which explains why Bronco has had more success overall than Kyle

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Head-to-Head
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 4

    But here's the year by year
    2005 - Kyle (1-0)
    2006 - Bronco (1-1)
    2007 - Bronco (2-1)
    2008 - Kyle (2-2)
    2009 - Bronco (3-2)
    2010 - Kyle (3-3)
    2011 - Kyle (4-3)

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 17, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Jenny

    The Utah win in September may not have been a fluke, but BYU committing SEVEN turnovers to basically give the game away was definitely a fluke.

    And, any objective fan who watched the two teams as the season progressed knows that the #39 Utah(8-5) team that lost at home to #41 ASU(6-7) 14-35, to #44 Washington(7-6) 14-31, and to #107 Colorado(3-10) 14-17, in a game that Utah was totally dominated in the first half, and barely beat #83 WSU(4-8) 30-27 in overtime, that Utah team would have been lucky to beat the #34 BYU(10-3) team that only lost at #20 TCU(11-2) 28-38 and beat #35 Tulsa(8-5) 24-21 in the Armed Forces Bowl.

    BYU led 10-7 with 7 minutes left in the first half, with Utah's only score coming on Jake Heaps clueless fumble into his own end zone on a play that started on BYU's 18-yard line. Utah only lead 14-10 at the half.

    Total Yards
    BYU 354
    Utah 481

    First Downs
    BYU 20
    Utah 20

    Turnovers
    BYU 7
    Utah 2

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 17, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah had scheduled Texas home-home series in 2008 that was canceled."

    BYU had scheduled home-and-home with Alabama, but Alabama cancelled their return visit to Provo after BYU nearly beat the Crimson Tide in Tuscaloosa in 1998.

    The point is, Utah has never played an elite team in RES, and without help from the PAC 12, that likely never would have changed.

    This century, BYU has already played USC, Notre Dame and Florida State in LES, and, as an Independent, BYU already has home games scheduled against Texas and Notre Dame.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 17, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Jenny83

    Utah's "dominating offense" was held scoreless until the final minute of the 1st half when Utah scored to take a narrow 14-10 lead at halftime.

    BYU's fumble at their own goal line resulting in back-to-back quick early scores in the 2nd half, changed the momentum of what had been a very close game.

    It was BYU's 7 turnovers, most of them unforced, that was the difference in the game, not the disparity of talent. Any objective fan who watched the BYU-Utah game in September and the Utah-Colorado game in November knows that the BYU-Utah game could have turned out very differently if it had been played in late November.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    June 17, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    @ TrueBlue

    "The Utah win in September may not have been a fluke, but BYU committing SEVEN turnovers to basically give the game away was definitely a fluke".

    Turnovers are part of football! You Y fans need to quit using it as an excuse. Better teams cause and capitalize on turnovers and Utah did just that. There is no fluke in that game, but there was a complete domination by the Utes.

    Utah is better than BYU in 2011 and 54-10 is proof of it!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 17, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    @True

    Again, while you make excuses for losing at HOME by 44 points the fact still remains:

    Utah Defense 14
    BYU 10

    @SportsFan

    That wasn't the original point, it was about "scheduled" not "played". You just changed it to another hypothetical subject.

    Utah "played" Oregon in 2003 and "beat" them.

    Or do you guys don't want to consider Oregon elite? Just like you guys don't want to...

    A) Include Crowten era in your losses to Utah even though 2 of your wins came with Crowten players

    B) Exclude USC from your "weak division" claims even though the South division still had to play the AP #6 team in the nation

    Here let me change it to another hypothetical subject:

    BYU has never played in an elite conference without the help from ESPN they likely never will.

    Go UTES!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 17, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    Yes I agree that if and only if...

    A) Wynn was out injured ALL game
    B) White was also out injured for the 2nd half
    C) Peterson would need to miss 3 FGS (42, 26, and 48 yards)

    Then and ONLY then would BYU have any chance for another "miracle win" over Utah in November. Unfortunately for BYU "magic" doesn't happen every year.

    Here's how the two talents performed that day...

    Associated Press:

    PROVO, Utah -- John White scored three touchdowns, Jordan Wynn passed for two scores and Utah forced seven BYU turnovers to cruise to a 54-10 victory...

    Utah trailed 10-7 late in the second quarter until Wynn beat a blitz and found tight end Jake Murphy open for a 30-yard touchdown pass. Wynn tossed a 59-yard scoring pass to Dres Anderson on the opening possession of the second half, and the Utes never looked back.

    White scored on runs of 1, 62 and 35 yards.

    The game's scoring started and ended with touchdowns by Utah's defense...

    BYU's run game was non-existent as the Cougars carried 22 times for just 11 yards.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    The Sports authority........ all i can say is byu fans are full of soooo many EXCUSES..It's always the refs fault or someone ele's So what you are saying is that byu got spanked but it really wans't their fault?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    To all delusional BYU fans ~~~~~~~~~~ Hello I'm EARTH, have we met!?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 17, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    It's interesting how Utah fans whine about excuses for ONE game, while Utah fans are soooooo full of excuses for their ENTIRE SEASON.

    After the Utah game, BYU went 8-1 and finished the season ranked #25/#26 in the final polls.

    After the BYU game, Utah went 6-4 and finishe the season UNRANKED, not receiving a single vote in either poll.

    U didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record and U LOST to two teams with losing records, both at home. So much for "elite" competition.

    Bottom-line: BYU finished the season as the better team.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    I think most Utah fans were fine how the entire season went, after all we did it with a d-2 quaterback and we did beat a decent Georgia Tech team in our bowl game - I'm just glad we waxed the cougers! 54-10 = Now that's what you call a beat down

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 17, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    earth to jenny

    "I think most Utah fans were fine how the entire season went, after all we did it with a d-2 quaterback"

    Sounds suspiciously like excuse-making.

    btw, I think most BYU fans are with finishing in the Top 25 with a 2nd string QB and beating a much better team than Georgia Tech in their bowl game.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    I think most BYU fans would agree that they would have much rather won their game against the Utes than getting totally humiliated on their home turf.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 17, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    BYu played mostly WAC teams the last half of the season....and the worst team in the big sky.....and your beating your chests because you won 10 games.....so would of most any other teams with a schedule like that....

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 17, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    Utah played 6 teams with LOSING records, including one of the worst teams in the country...and U lost to two of them...any decent team would have easily won 10 games with Utah's schedule...

    You're just jealous that the Utes can't even beat their chests about not losing to any bad teams.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 12:38 a.m.

    Phoenix

    The playing teams with a losing record argument is a poor one because those losses came to other PAC-12 teams. A team might have a losing record in the PAC but that same team would probably be a contender in the WAC or Sun Belt. Look to strength of schedule rankings if you want a barometer for the overall quality of teams played in a season.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 18, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Two for Flinching

    Look to the Coaches Poll and AP if you want a barometer for the overall quality of your team.

    jenny

    6th to 8th place in your conference and this makes you happy or is it the pictures again?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 18, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    twofer

    Your SOS argument is meaningless when you consider how awful #107 Colorado(3-10) was and how lousy ASU was playing the last half of the season - and you lost to both of them, AT HOME.

    I look to the individual team rankings and EVERY single Utah opponent after mid-September was ranked below BYU and below Tulsa, the team that BYU beat in the Armed Forces Bowl.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 18, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    "Look to the Coaches Poll and AP if you want a barometer for the overall quality of your team."
    Sammy g

    Ole Miss didn't win a SEC game last year and fired their coach. They finished the season ranked 76 in the nation.

    Ole Miss was head and shoulders the worst SEC to run onto the fieled last year.

    And Yet the only lost to bYu by one point. on a freak play.

    The question to be asked is if bYu played the Ole Miss Schedule would they still win 10 games? would they even win 3 games?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 18, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    hedgy

    Your analysis is like a blind man touching an elephant's tail and forming his opinion of elephants based on one elephant's tail.

    Objective fans evaluate seasons based on the entire season, not on one or two games.

    A week after Ole Miss, BYU played at #17 Texas(8-5), and only lost 16-17. In late October, BYU played at #20 TCU(11-2), and only lost 28-38. And in their bowl game, #34 BYU beat #35 Tulsa(8-5) 24-21.

    All three of BYU's losses were to Top 40 teams.

    Four of Utah's five losses were to teams not even ranked in the Top 40.

    btw, Texas beat California 21-10. Utah lost to California 10-34. Based on BYU's narrow 1-point loss to Texas, BYU would have easily handled the Bears, a team that dominated the Utes.

    Bottom-line:

    As confirmed by the polls, overall, BYU was a better team than Utah in 2011.

    BYU #25/#26
    Utah unranked

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    hedgehog

    Based on beating #34 BYU, Utah would have won 10 or 11 games playing BYU's schedule.

    Based on losing to #107 Colorado, Utah would have lost 8 or 9 games playing BYU's schedule.

    That's the problem with using individual games to judge or predict an entire season. Teams change and different conditions apply week to week.

    BYU was a much better team by the end of the season than they were when they played Utah.

    Utah was a much worse team by the end of the season than they were when they played BYU.

    Despite the jealous spin from our friends on the hill, those changes had little to do with improved or weaker competition.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Sports"Fan" and TruelyBlue hilariously attempt to contort facts in a failed effort to claim the y is the better program over the past decade ("flukes" and "Quests" notwithstanding). Here are the real facts:

    Since January 2002:

    Utah: 8-1 bowl record
    [BYU: 5-2]
    Utah: 2 undefeated seasons (incl. ‘05 Fiesta and ‘09 Sugar Bowl victories)
    [BYU: 0]
    Utah: 2 final Top 5 rankings
    [BYU: 0]
    Utah: 2008 AFCA Coach of the Year award
    [BYU: 0]
    Utah: the 2005 No. 1 NFL draft pick
    [BYU: 0]
    Utah: 1 consensus All-American (at two positions): Louie Sakoda
    [BYU: 0]
    Utah: Overall record 92-33
    [BYU 80-45]
    Head-to-Head: Utah 7 (avg. margin of victory 16.7 pts)
    [BYU 3 (avg. margin of victory 4 pts.)]

    Spin it however they want with their Idaho State/USC assisted top 26 ranking last year, Utah is clearly the premier program of the two over the last 10 seasons.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    There's no question that Utah had two great seasons and its best decade ever in the 2000's, but the overall results don't lie:

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 1 (Luke Staley - Doak Walker Award for Nation's Best Runningback)
    Utah 0 (Louie Sakoda was a great player, but he didn't win a single national award)

    Head-to-head
    5-5

    Conference Championships
    BYU 4
    Utah 4

    Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but a Top 25 finish is a Top 25 finish

    You're just jealous that Bronco has almost as many Top 25 finishes in 7 years as the Utes have in their entire history

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Snack Pac

    using your logic: Utah beat BYU by 44 at home, which means Utah would have easily handled Texas and TCU. Which means Utah would have been undefeated (again).

    The fact is rankings are very subjective and are based on a small sample due to the fact that most teams only play 10-11 of the 120 FBS teams. This obviously creates flaws. Just because a team is ranked higher does not necessarily mean they are better than every single team ranked below them.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Sorry, the "Truth" part of the Machine is broken.

    Luke Staley played 11 years ago, outside the past decade that Sports"Fan" examined.

    5-5 head to head? Is that in women's soccer, or were you hiding with ducky in Tulsa the last couple of years and just watched the wrong BYUtv football replays?

    I'll admit, byu has more suspect Top 25 rankings in history than Utah.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    twofer

    Sorry, but you need a course in "logic", because the entire point of Snack PAC's post was you can't use "individual games to judge or predict an entire season".

    The fact is a national panel of poll voters is much more objective than the jealous kids on the hill who only whine about the rankings when they favor BYU.

    Single head-to-head matchups aren't even the final determination of which team is better, otherwise, how do you explain:

    Alabama 6
    LSU 9

    Alabama 21
    LSU 0

    We don't see it as much in college football, because teams usually only play each other once, but in basketball it happens all the time, where a team that lost by 20 points in the first meeting, wins by 20 points in the second meeting.

    We've even seen teams that lost twice, sometime soundly, to the same team during the regular season, beat their opponent, sometimes soundly, in the third meeting.

    One game does not a season make, even though Utah fans want to pretend that it does.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    The past "decade" is 2000 to 2009, it isn't some arbitrary 10-year period.

    Granted, Utah was the premier program in the state from 2003 to 2008, but your program is fading, and during the current coaching era (Bronco and Kyle), BYU is back on track and Utah's best years are behind them.

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championship Seasons
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Overall Record
    Bronco 66-24
    Kyle 65-25

    Head-to-head
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 4

    but, let's not forget, Bronco held a 3-2 advantage just two years ago, and Bronco and Kyle were tied at 3 apiece just a year ago.

    Kyle does hold a big advantage in one category, however.

    Losses to 10-loss teams
    Bronco ZERO
    Kyle TWO

    Kyle had a great year in 2008, but overall, Bronco has out-performed Kyle.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    Lonestar

    Of course a panel of voters is more objective than a single team's fanbase. The system is still very subjective and flawed.

    I also agree that one game doesn't make a season. However, it's silly to pretend that a great season is defined by losing to every decent team you while beating a bunch of mediocre to bad teams. The BYU fans here often tout their #25/26 finish but at some level the accomplishment must ring hallow based on the body of work.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    "The past "decade" is 2000 to 2009, it isn't some arbitrary 10-year period."

    LoneStar:

    You are both wrong and all over the road.

    First, the most-used definition of decade at the most popular online dictionary is:
    "1. a period of ten years: the three decades from 1776 to 1806."

    Second, unlike your rambling on about '00 to '09, then '03 to '08, then Kyle-Bronco era, I stuck to the last decade as described by Sports"Fan".

    Finally, in your effort to look pump up Bronco over Kyle, did you compare victories over ranked teams? I didn't think so. Kyle 5-4, Bronco 3-4.

    Now if you're comparing empty slogan-eering Bronco wins, hands down!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    In your effort to pump up Kyle over Bronco, did you compare LOSSES to conference bottom-dwellers and 10-loss teams.

    Bronco is undefeated against NM, CSU, Wyo, and UNLV.

    Kyle lost to all of them.

    It's not just about who you beat, but also who you don't lose to.

    Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss team.

    Kyle has lost to 10-loss teams TWICE, including just two games ago.

    BEING a Top 25 team is a greater accomplishment than beating a Top 25 team.

    One is a single game accomplishment.

    One is a season long accomplishment.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 18, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    Sorry twofer, but only a jealous Utah fan would try to trivialize a Top 25 finish.

    BYU fans were very pleased with finishing in the Top 25 for the 5th time in the last 6th years, especially after getting off to such a rocky start.

    It is interesting, however, that Utah fans are trying so hard to discredit BYU's Top 25 finish, when it was BYU's final Top 25 ranking that gave the Utes their ONLY notable win in 2011.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    Look at all these bitter "Cougar fans." Oh the pain of the 54-10.

    Love it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Objective fans evaluate seasons based on the entire season, not on one or two games...As confirmed by the polls, overall, BYU was a better team than Utah in 2011."

    Actually, objective fans confirmed that Utah was the better team than the Indy-WACers in 2011 after that 54-10 live vivisection on your Home field. But here's what "Two for Flinching" was getting at with SOS. Teams with a higher SOS would naturally have a less glossy record than teams with lower rated SOS.

    According to Phil Steele, the Indy-WACers 2011 SOS was #102 [out of 120]. So with the nation's 19th EASIEST schedule, the Y won 10-games [losing to the good ones of course], and backed into the Top-25 poll tha USC was ineligible for.

    By way of comparison, here are the Pac-12 SOS rankings: Ariz. [#6], Colo. [#12], OSU [#13], UCLA [#14], Wash. [#21], USC [#22], Cal [#35], ASU [#45], Utah [#48], and WSU [#58] ( w/ Pitt [#50] and Ga. Tech [#80] both rated higher than the Y).

    Those were some pretty tough schedules. And THAT's why most had more losses than 3. Get it now?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2012 8:29 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    "BYU was a much better team by the end of the season than they were when they played Utah."

    No, by the end of the season, the Indy-WACers were playing much easier teams than they faced in Sept. With the exception of TCU....which of course, BEAT you.

    Had you played against stronger competition, you wouldn't have won 10 games. You struggled against USU, UCF, and OSU, and didn't exactly dominate SJSU. So imagine how well you would have measured up amid the week-to-week grind of Pac-12 [or Big 12] caliber opponents with their Pac-12/Big 12 caliber recruits and deeper benches. Don't forget...you guys flopped in your final season in the MWC. 7-6? And only because you packed your alumni into the Replay Booth vs. SDSU. If you're 7-6 vs. MWC opposition, you really think you'd be in the upper tier of the Pac-12 or Big 12? Please. You played your '11 season in the WAC, and THAT is how you got 10-wins. End of story.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    Marked it Down:

    "It is interesting, however, that Utah fans are trying so hard to discredit BYU's Top 25 finish, when it was BYU's final Top 25 ranking that gave the Utes their ONLY notable win in 2011."

    That's because Utah fans aren't all that impressed by beating some WAC-ish and mid-majorey team that schedules just barely weak enough to back into one of the polls.

    Utah fans are more impressed by beating Ga. Tech in the Sun Bowl. Beating an ACC team in the postseason > beating a WAC team in early September.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    June 18, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    I'll I can do is laugh at cougie fans. They blast up stats that favor the Y yet leave off stats that favor the U. I have seen at least 50 posts in the last month listing top 25 finishes, top 15 finishes but fail to list top 5 finishes in bronco/kyle era. So let me ask those of you that have posted this several times now why do you not go all the way down to top 5 finishes?

    Several times also listed by cougie fans that bronco has not lost to a 10 loss team kyle has. So what? How many 10 win teams has Kyle beat and how many as Bronco beat? Exactly why no cougie fan lists that information on their list of stats.

    IMO in the Kyle vs. Bronco debate Kyle having two undefeated seasons and two BCS bowl wins. Is alot more then anything you can say about Bronco. Along with having more top 5 finishes and a better head to head record....but hey bronco does have more top 25 finishes and no losses to a 10 loss team. IMO however Kyle has definitley done more for his team.

  • Proud Ute ,
    June 18, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    122 comments on a Utah story and at least half of them from cougars frantically trying to prove their not swirling the bowl of mediocrity and irrelevancy.
    Good times...... thanks for theentertainmentt leading up to the Sept thrashing. Just one request, please don't quit this time, it will be fun to watch you all make that walk of shame out of RES together instead of filtering out through the 3rd and 4th qtrs.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 18, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    navel vet

    lol at your SOS comparisons

    Using your logic, Kansas, with the #1 SOS, should have been the national champions.

    Unfortunately for U, seasons aren't judged by who played the toughest schedule, but by who had the best overall results.

    As hard as it is for jealous Utah fans like you and 2B to accept,

    BYU finished #25/#26 in the final national polls,

    while the "mighty" Utes didn't receive a single vote in either poll.

    Stop whining and just accept it;

    BYU finished the season as the better team.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 18, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    @uteology

    No oregon is not "elite". They need to get it done for a lot longer than they have to achieve that distinction. That said they do appear to be on their way, we'll see if they can get there.

    But of course oregon was FAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR from "elite" in 2003. They had barely started to put together a respectable program at that point after having long been a complete dog. Scheduling a home and home with them at that point was no more an accomplishment thatn scehduling one with arizona, washington st, or oregon st. is now. It was a nice game but nothing "elite" about it.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    @NV

    "Utah fans are more impressed by beating Ga. Tech in the Sun Bowl."

    Sure they are.

    Afterall,

    beating UNRANKED #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) by a FG in overtime

    is "much more impressive" than

    beating 25th ranked BYU(10-3) by 40 points in regulation.

    It's hillarious how far Utah fans will go to distort reality just to poke weak jabs at BYU.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    June 18, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    "But of course oregon was FAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR from "elite" in 2003. They had barely started to put together a respectable program at that point after having long been a complete dog".

    Two years before Oregon lost to Utah in 2003. Oregon went 11-1 and were Pac-10 champions in 2001. They went on to beat Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl. Oregon got snubbed for a National Championship berth for Nebraska that year. Two years later, Oregon was ranked #22 when they lost to Utah in Salt Lake City. Oregon has been a solid program for years. Chip Kelly took them over the hump!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2012 11:13 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's ludicrous to even think of calling any program "elite", unless it has won at least one CONCENSUS National Championship (#1 in both the AP and Coaches Polls) and been a perennial Top 25 team for at least a couple of decades.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    Elmer

    "Oregon was ranked #22 when they lost to Utah in Salt Lake City [in 2003]. Oregon has been a solid program for years. Chip Kelly took them over the hump!

    And three years later, the Ducks were DESTROYED by BYU 38-8 in the Las Vegas Bowl!

    The Oregon team that Utah beat at home in 2003, finished the season 8-5.

    The Oregon team that BYU beat in the 2006 Las Vegas Bowl, finished the season 7-6.

    btw, Oregon State was ranked #16 in both polls when BYU beat the Beavers 44-20 in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2012 1:01 a.m.

    @ Marked it down

    I don't understand what I would be jealous of. Utah has clearly taken control of the rivalry and has moved on to greener pastures. I think most would agree that being in the PAC-12 is a better option than independence and the WCC. I think BYU deserves better and it's a shame that the rest of athletics had to take a step down for football to make a mostly lateral move.

    As for the top 25 finishes: I, personally, would be dissatisfied if Utah's and BYU's seasons were reversed. If my team finished ranked I would prefer it was due to the fact that they earned the ranking on the field by beating solid teams and not benefiting from a soft schedule. However, if you want to celebrate ten wins and a #25/26 finish with a SOS in the high 90s, so be it. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to the fact that we have different standards for our respective teams.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    @two for flinching

    "I, personally, would be dissatisfied if Utah's and BYU's seasons were reversed. If my team finished ranked I would prefer it was due to the fact that they earned the ranking on the field by beating solid teams and not benefiting from a soft schedule."

    That is the current utah "fan" mantra. It is how you try to justify a losing conference record. That claim by utah "fans" will not last. Once a few of those losing conference seasons have set in we won't be hearing that dubious claim any longer. The fact is we won't be hearing from any of you any longer.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    @elmo fudd

    "solid" is not "elite". Were they "elite" a couple of years after that when BYU smoked them by 30 points in a bowl game? Or were they only "elite" when they made that pity trip to res?

    LOL!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    I'm not trying to justify anything. Utah's first season in the Pac-12 was "okay" but I expect Utah to raise the bar and be a regular contender for the division title. Either way, it's been a joy to watch Utah compete at the highest level CFB has to offer, especially after watching the program grow through the 90's and new millennium.

    Further, that claim will last, as it has for the entire time I've been a fan of the Utes. For example, 2009 was an un-fulfilling year in my book, despite the fact that Utah finished ranked. Beating Pitt, ISU and AFA was alright, but Utah missed a couple a huge opportunities that left a mark on the season.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    ^ 2010

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    June 22, 2012 7:07 a.m.

    Look at all these "Ute fans". Oh the pain of 17-14, and losing to Colorado.

    You can still hear the moaning and groaning over the loss.

    "We lost to Colorado, oh the humiliation."
    "That was embarrassing."
    "We lost the South Division."
    "We lost the conference championship."
    "We lost the Rose Bowl."
    "We blew it"
    "We lost the parade"
    "We lost Pasadena"

    And my favorite...

    "Does this mean we're not going to Disneyland this year, dad?"

    LOL